$48,000,000
Remember when, according to some, Carlos Silva was the best free agent pitcher available this winter?
Remember when, upon missing out on Hiroki Kuroda, the Mariners panicked about their starting rotation, signing said Silva to a $48M, 4 year contract?
Remember certain parties (e.g. me) saying that they hated the contract, but Silva was reasonably valuable and likely to improve the team, provided there was a reasonable defence behind him?
Remember how I didn't have tRA for any year before 2007 at that point?
Because holy crap was I wrong.
In his years with Minnesota, Silva's lowest tRA (which is scaled against RA, not ERA, as I hope most of you remember) was 4.70, good for 61st in MLB among all qualified pitchers. That's a really fringey #2 pitcher. In his best year.
In his worst year with the Twins, 2006, his tRA stood at a majestic 6.71. To put this in perspective, Jeff Weaver posted a 5.39 mark with us last year, while the giant pile of crap we traded Soriano for put up a tRA of 6.50. Silva's pRAA (pitching runs above average) that year?
-31.9. !
Over the course of his career in the Metrodome, Silva was worth -22.6 runs compared to a league average pitcher.
Good stuff. Please allow yourself to have another look at the title of this post and a little shudder of rage.
But this can't all be about how bad he'd been before we signed him, because he's been plenty bad -after- we signed him too.
2008: 5.65 tRA, which is 84% of league average, leading to a pRAA of -16.0. This is quite probably below replacement level. This should correspond with an ERA of around 5.20, but since the baseball gods have a wonderful sense of humour, it's sitting at a shiny 6.46.
Since last year: Less strikeouts, more walks, more HBP, less ground balls, more OF fly balls, more line drives, more infield flies, more home runs per ball in air.
Basically Silva got worse at everything except generating popups, and got stuck in a team which has had a defence ranging from 'bleh' to 'catastrophic'. Which I guess is good news, because he pretty much has to start regressing progressing somewhere for next year - this was pretty much the worst season you could reasonably have expected out of him. But even if he improves he'll be lucky to make it within 5 runs of league average over a full season.
Remember when we were saying this about Sexson last year too?
GOD.
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Aha!
Which I guess is good news, because he pretty much has to start regressing progressing somewhere for next year – this was pretty much the worst season you could reasonably have expected out of him
The floor!
by Fogel on Sep 21, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not quite!
Remember when we were saying this about Sexson last year too?
GOD.
by Graham on Sep 21, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted, that 2006 tRA was due to ridiculously bad home run rates
that were never going to hold up.
by Matthew on Sep 21, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but it's hard to deny that it happened.
by Graham on Sep 21, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to, just thinking that a three year model of his tRA* coming into this year
would probably have him at about a 95 tRA+ or so.
by Matthew on Sep 21, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably something around that, yeah
Which is… a 4/5, right?
by Graham on Sep 21, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is it a 4, or a "go back to AAA or the bullpen"?
by eponymous_coward on Sep 21, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's bad?
Or does Carlos Silva come with sprinkles?
by eponymous_coward on Sep 21, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty ok for a back-end player.
by Graham on Sep 21, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
But i doesn’t sounds like you should ever give someone like that a 4 year deal for 36 (Washburn) or 48 (Silva) million dollars, unless you’re fucking retarded like Bill Bavasi.
by eponymous_coward on Sep 21, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Carlos Silva really sucks.
But he has lots of money, so he can’t be too upset about it.
by b_rider on Sep 21, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder where Bavasi ranks amongst the all time worst GMs.
9=8
by JI on Sep 21, 2008 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone should make a fanpost comparing him to Woody Woodward
by katal on Sep 21, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woodward's FA signing records are nothing like Bavasi's
Richie Sexson + Silva + Beluga Tits + Washburn + Mo Vaughn is about $200 million in suck.
by eponymous_coward on Sep 21, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woodward had some pretty awful trades
And couldn’t get a team overrun with HoF talent into the World Series.
by katal on Sep 21, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Sep 21, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has had an impressive MLB debut this season
Solid numbers, strong tRA, and strong effort behind Lowe/Billingsley no less.
by Gomez on Sep 21, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply button.
And Kuroda has been something like the 10th-best pitcher in the NL this season. I’ll take that as a No. 2.
by Teej on Sep 21, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His tRA is 5.6 but you say his ERA should be around 5.2
Is this just a park correction? You shouldn’t forget to adjust for our shitty ass defense.
Also, Graham/Matthew is it possible to post a tRA that is adjusted for park and team defense and then show the difference between that and ERA to show how far off the player’s ERA actually is. Just an idea for your site and tRA.
by Edgar for Pres on Sep 21, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And by tRA adjusted for park and team defense
I guess I really mean unadjust for it.
by Edgar for Pres on Sep 21, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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