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This Is The Worst Season Ever

Note: I'm only really talking about the players, here. The fact that we're going to hire a new front office is most certainly a reason to be excited, if also incredibly nervous.

If you can look past just how often this team has gotten its ass kicked in the present, I can't remember a season that gave us so little reason to be optimistic about the future. I mean, ordinarily even the worst teams in baseball will pull a handful of bright spots out of their sleeves, but if you look this team up and down trying to find a glimmer of long-term hope, you may be amazed by just how little there really is.

Yeah, there's Brandon Morrow. Not only has he finally made the transition to starting, but he's already acquitted himself better than I ever imagined he would on such short notice. But what else is there to be happy about? Is there anything else that isn't going to leave at least a slightly bitter taste in our mouths as 2008 draws to a merciful end?

  • Felix hasn't gotten any better
  • Bedard exploded
  • Silva exploded worse
  • Putz exploded then exploded again
  • Feierabend has pitched like a #5
  • RRS has pitched like a #6
  • Dickey has sucked
  • Lowe has sucked
  • Wlad hasn't hit
  • Clement didn't hit
  • Clement didn't field
  • Clement didn't stay healthy
  • LaHair has sucked
  • Reed hasn't hit
  • Yuni's regressed
  • Rebuilding probability makes it unlikely that Beltre returns
  • Ichiro moved back to right

Not even Jose Lopez is exempt, as questions about his defense have clouded the impression of his overall value. And it's not even like his offensive gains have been that impressive; he's an above-average offensive 2B, but he's not really a force. The only reason people are so ecstatic with his hitting is that there's so little else to celebrate.

I'm not trying to say this franchise is hopeless. I've gone on record before and I'll go on record again saying that I don't for a second believe we need to rebuild, and that it's possible to both build and attempt to compete at the same time. What I'm saying is that, as much as we can hope for the future, this season has given said hope precious little in the way of support. Wlad and Clement have collected more than 400 at bats between them and instead of hitting like future assets, we're still left hoping that they eventually start to. Do you see what I mean? I feel like I'm not explaining this very well. It's just that...to me, the stretch run for bad teams is supposed to be a time to showcase the future of the organization, but as much as the Mariners have tried, it just hasn't worked. Morrow's the only resounding success. At a time when the talent of the future cornerstones and building blocks is supposed to be flashed on a daily basis, ours in large part remains mostly theoretical, with few exceptions.

That's difficult to sit through. Thank goodness for Morrow, because I can't imagine how much worse this would feel without him, but this remains arguably the most thoroughly unfulfilling season through which I've ever slogged. In almost every respect. Even a hot two weeks from Tuiasosopo would only serve to remind me that Beltre's probably gone by December. Once the dreams of competing went in the toilet, all I wanted was to see guys like Clement and Balentien and RRS (and so on) step up and cement themselves as future regulars, but that hasn't happened, and all I'm left with is the same amount of unrealized hope that I had several months ago. Maybe less. Nice knees, Jeff.

Come November, I'm going to miss baseball. But I'm not going to miss this season. I hate you, 2008. Go away and never come back.

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RRS pitched like a #6?

I though he’s been quite average as a starter so far

by mariners124m on Sep 15, 2008 8:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say the exact same thing.

I think he’s easily a #4 or 5, but maybe the SABR stats say otherwise? I know he’s a flyballer, but aside from a blowup in Minnesota, he’s looked good to me.

by basebliman on Sep 15, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I just want to purge this assfest of a season from my memory.

I’ve only had a handful of things to be happy about, and now I’m expecting one of the bleakest off-seasons during my time as a fan of this ineptly run franchise.

The one thing that’s left, the one thing that can possibly make me question my loyalty to this team, is if Ichiro demands a trade over the offseason.

This goddamn season has completely destroyed my rational judgment. I expect the FO to hire an idiot to be the GM, I expect Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong to remain in command until they die of old age, I expect that they fail to resign Felix.

None of this is rational yet it’s what I expect. Things probably won’t be that bad, but I seem to be conditioned to expect it now.

Fuck this season.

by BrianL on Sep 15, 2008 8:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If we are rebuilding, I hope Ichiro requests a trade so he can win a championship

Felix is the future. If and or when he goes, that’s when I give up on baseball in fashion that I currently follow it.

by Robert on Sep 15, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as it would pain me to see him play elsewhere

I can’t deny that seeing Ichiro win a championship with someone else would bring me a little more happiness than seeing him play well on this team during shitty rebuilding years.

by BrianL on Sep 15, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Ichiro leaves, it'll suck hardcore, but I can handle it.

Felix however, even if he doesn’t ever improve, I won’t be able to take him leaving. If the Mariners fail to resign him, the day he signs a contract with another team, will be the day I leave this team for good.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 15, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta agree.

I don’t feel the connection to Morrow that I do to Felix. I mean, he was the reason I started taking more than a passing interest in prospects. I hyped the guy to everybody I knew, whether they gave a shit or not. I don’t know, maybe it’s the closeness in age or something. But it’s like my growth out of the John Q fan stage grew up with him.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 15, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

I still love RRS and Clement and Felix and Morrow and a lot of people. I just wish more of them would actually play decently well. I don’t think it should be that much to ask.

by Jeff on Sep 15, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I was just taking a preemptive strike against many others.

by JI on Sep 15, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's assume we were never going to win anything this year

I’m actually sort of glad that NONE of Clement, Wlad, RRS, uh Valbuena, LaHair, Yuni, etc. played well this year.

If we’re going nowhere, there may be something of an advantage to having every young player fall on their face at once, so that any/all expectations for this team in 2009 are gone. Now we can do this weird half rebuild thing in which nobody has the expectations of the fanbase on his back (except Felix, of course). It’s not fun to see so many prospects and young players fall on their face, but I think it’s worthwhile to remember that it won’t always be like this.

I’m actually pretty excited to see the 2009 team, despite this season. We weren’t going to win anyway, and despite what many say, I don’t think the good of the order would’ve been served by hanging around .500 for 3/4 of the season. We’re in a better place because of this trainwreck.

by marc w on Sep 15, 2008 9:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it a better place?

I get what you’re saying, but the trainwreck has convinced upper management that we need to rebuild (whatever that means), and more than anything else that just fills me with rage. It’s better than throwing stupid money at stupid players for stupid years, but I feel like the complete bottoming out has made the organization believe things are worse than they really are.

by Jeff on Sep 15, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your parenthetical is exactly the problem

No one knows what “rebuild” means, and in an organization with multiple voices, it’ll be hard to come to a consensus as to a direction. That scares me. If only this franchise had always been a bumbling trainwreck, I wouldn’t be so annoyed at what happened this season.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Sep 15, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"GM applicants"

What’s the BEST thing to come out of this season? We’re getting a new GM!

Did you expect to contend this year? OK, like many people, I thought they’d be within 10 games or so of the Angels, but I expected the Angels to win and the M’s to lose out in the wildcard race. If that’s what you thought too, what’s the BEST thing that could’ve happened this year? That Turbo retained enough value to be a tradeable commodity? OK, sure, Washburn getting traded for something shiny would’ve been cool, but… we shipped out half of upper management, and there’s nothing to say about that besides ‘Yay!’

We can quibble about what ‘rebuild’ means, but for tonight, I’m going to assume/hope that the new GM is not a complete fucking idiot. If that’s the case, then no, they don’t do an MLB Rebuild™, and burn the tree. With a half-decent GM, this team is CLOSER to contending than they were last year (“seriously! Vidro is awesome! He works pitchers and has a base-hit ability that is super top notch! Jose Guillen keeps the clubhouse loose, and yet terrified in a positive way!”).

I think we agree about each of the pieces here, just not what the totality means going forward.

by marc w on Sep 15, 2008 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we probably agree on that part too

I just wish we could’ve seen more glimpses of potential and excitement this year. Having Clement and Balentien and everyone come up is only fun if they don’t totally suck all the time.

by Jeff on Sep 15, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and part of my "excitement" is more the feeling that they'll all regress to the mean

It would be nice if ONE of them actually had some success here, but at the same time, I wonder what the point would be? Just to give us something to look at in a season that was over in late April? OK, yeah, I suppose that’d be fine, but to the degree that it would help Bavasi save his job or change how the team wanted to approach 2009, it may have been counterproductive.

Yes, I’m rationalizing here.

by marc w on Sep 15, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to have more confidence in our top prospects

I hate uncertainty. I’d really like to be able to, say, depend on Clement to be a league average C or 1B next year, but right now I’m not real sure.

by Jeff on Sep 15, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you

But again, coming into this year, I think we all thought Clement wasn’t exactly a superstar, can’t-miss-MLB-catcher.
This season saw solid progress from less important catchers like Moore/Johnson, and it saw Kenji remove himself from any possible complicated job-sharing debate in 2010.
At this point, getting league average production at 1B would be fine from Clement, and if we get that, the team’s in a very good spot. Same with Wlad – if you get league ave. hitting, or even a bit below if accompanied by decent LF defense, you’ve got the line-up equivalents of RRS.
Yes, it would be better if Clement had locked down the C spot for years, and that would CLEARLY be better than hoping he can be a decent 1B. The point is though that nothing that’s gone on this year has made contending in 2009 impossible, and by removing any scrap of pressure on Wlad/Clement/Jimenez/RRS/whoever, it might actually make it more likely.

I’m going to go apply for a lobbying job. I stifled laughter twice while writing this, but the strange thing is that I kind of believe it.

by marc w on Sep 15, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the fear (and it's a fear I have to a certain degree) is that there won't be any regression.

I’ve never thought Wlad was going to be very good. I’ve always thought it was likely that Clement would end up being a very good (not elite) offensive catcher, and that a move to 1B was likely, negating his offensive value. Nothing that’s happened this year has changed my mind; if anything, I’m more pessimistic than I was before they were called up. That sucks.

J.K.L.

by acblue on Sep 15, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glimpses of Potential

This is the problem with the whole “rebuilding” and build a long term foundation. Right now they’re not working towards that goal. If they were, then you’d see Wlad and Reed out there everyday no matter whether its a lefty or righty on the mound. Playing them daily at this point allows them more time to adjust, it allows more time to get a better idea of abilities and capabilities. Wlad is supposedly one of the Mariners higher rated prospects, and in a lost season you don’t just sit him there for days on end watching guys that likely aren’t going to be part of any rebuilding to get more playing time. What they should have done is moved Raul to 1st or DH immediately and put Wlad and Reed in the outfield and run them out there everyday.

If this team wants to rebuild they sure don’t know how to give themselves an advantage in preparing for that.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Sep 16, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the same team that held on to Washburn.

They don’t know HOW to rebuild. We can only hope they hire a GM that does.

by ThundaPC on Sep 16, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the most important point.

I think you’re right, and that “rebuild” not only placate fans, but takes pressure off of the young players and guys like Bedard.

It also means there’s no reason NOT to trade Washburn. “Hey, he’s a great guy, he gives his all every 5 days, and gives us a chance to win. Sadly, we’re not in a position to utilize his skills to the fullest, and we owed it to Jarrod to put him in a better situation as well as upgrading the future of this club.”

by marc w on Sep 15, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going back to what Armstrong said a while back

I think it’s less about what “rebuilding” is and more about what this “comprehensive plan” they’re looking for while interviewing GM candidates. Actually, more specifically, we should ask what Armstrong means by building a “solid foundation.”

Whomever the GM is going to be is going to be tasked with trying to build a long term contender from the ground up. It is definately possible that this team can be built to contend next year but I also don’t think it’s a surprise that they’re not putting any expectations to compete in 2009 because…..well…..2008: Mojo Rising?……not exactly.

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would would've liked at least a glimmer of hope that Clement and Wlad are going to turn things around next year

To be honest, so far, they have both played like busts and there isn’t a whole lot to suggest that they are learning to hit MLB pitching. I know it’s still too early to make that judgement but a faint glimmer of hope (like a low babip or good contact rates or better plate discipline despite bad results) would’ve been fucking great instead of watching neither of them take the step forward they need to take if they’re going to be a part of the clubs future.

They both still have almost a 1:3 K ratio and haven’t shown much power to make up for it, that doesn’t bode well.

by OlSalty on Sep 15, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As depressing as this season is

I also feel that this is a necessary result. Imagine if this team was only decent-to-pretty good (with another late season collapse)? That would’ve meant MORE overpriced free agents and bad trades.

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2008 9:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They'll turn it around

Crushing the Rams next week should be a good start

by OlSalty on Sep 16, 2008 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2008 can blow me thrice

Once for each major sport that has pissed me off. Only a miraculous comeback by the Seahawks can prevent 2008 from being the worst season for Seattle sports ever. It’s hard to imagine it being worse. One team leaves town, another is about to break a record for $ per win and Seahawks Reciever is making Spinal Tap Drummer look like a job with long-term upside.

Suck a tanker full of turds, 2008.

by short on Sep 16, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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