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Seattle Mariners @ Chicago White Sox


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Seattle Mariners @ Chicago White Sox

08/20/08 11:05 AM PDT

Seattle Mariners Chicago White Sox
Ichiro Suzuki - RF Orlando Cabrera - SS
Jeremy Reed - CF AJ Pierzynski - C
Raul Ibanez - DH Carlos Quentin - LF
Adrian Beltre - 3B Ken Griffey - DH
Jose Lopez - 2B Paul Konerko - 1B
Jeff Clement - C Nick Swisher - RF
Wladimir Balentien - LF Alexei Ramirez - 2B
Bryan LaHair - 1B Dewayne Wise - CF
Yuniesky Betancourt - "SS" Juan Uribe - 3B
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - R.A. Dickey 3-7 23 12 0 0 0 0 97.0 108 53 53 12 46 55 4.92 1.59

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Gavin Floyd 12-6 24 24 1 0 0 0 146.1 126 79 61 22 59 103 3.75 1.26

Well if Felix can't tame the White Sox lineup, surely Dickey will be up to the task.

HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER God dammit Ozzie

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Best Lineup of the Season

I suppose that means you won't be making me porridge tomorrow morning, Ian?

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Put Tex at 1B and Furcal at SS

and regress Clement and Beltre’s luck and that’s a fun enough lineup to watch.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Although you could probably get a .280/.350/.450 performance out of 1B for next to nothing and you could invest in center, and Sheets/Burnett/CC (although CC isn’t realistic)

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be fine with that too.

If only we’d traded for Andy LaRoche.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on how much obviously

and an overall strategy being in place this winter, but it’s an option I would look at for sure.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In that situation I would hope that no GM is stupid enough to go 4 years.

I’d even go 3 if the price wasn’t too outrageous, like some sort of vesting option based on the first two or if the contract was under ~$60m.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was a recent article

suggesting that Boras thinks Manny can get something like a 4 year/$100 million deal.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is that Manny will take it seriously

as much as Manny can take anything seriously.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It Boras being Boras

I bet Manny has little to do with it

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Floyd

I bet one of Bill Bavasi’s first acts in his new job was writing a report to Walt Jocketty on how the Reds should offer four of their better prospects to the White Sox for Gavin Floyd this offseason.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yukiko Ueno

So this girl from Japan threw 21 innings and threw over 310 pitches in 2 games on the same day (giving up 7 runs total) and could be pitching in the Gold Medal game in the next day.

Oh what, there a Mariner game coming on?

by ThundaPC on Aug 20, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I were the Sox

I’d hit Swisher or Thome second and move AJ down the order.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way

Neither Swisher nor Thome can bunt worth a damn.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tony LaRussa does not know what he is doing

You bat a high on-base percentage guy in the 8th hole, not the pitcher, because he serves as a second leadoff hitter.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's a good idea

because if you are hitting Ankiel/Glaus/Ludwick second to get them more at bats, it makes sense to move the pitcher further away from the 2 spot.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you are in the NL

you should bat the pitcher second because he is always the best bunter in the lineup.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That area under the bus is running out of room
The Yankees are 3-7 in the games Pudge Rodriguez has started since he came over from the Tigers. He is 8 for 35 (.229) with one RBI. Andy Pettitte threw to him once then asked not to again.

by Jeff on Aug 20, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me neither.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can.

A whole bunch of them…. decades worth.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 20, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My god we suck.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah because those knuckleballs

are the easiest pitches to catch or block.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 20, 2008 11:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont understand why no one bro be up the whole having to catch an erratic knuckleballer thing when they talk about Clement having bad defense

Besides, it’s always seemed to me that catcher defense is really overvalued

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Aug 20, 2008 11:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully not until 2009 at the earliest.

No reason not to have him catch everyday in 2008 and see if he can become satisfactory because he has so much more value. C to 1B or DH is 20 runs worth of defensive value and opportunity cost. He’d have to be really really bad to make more sense at DH than C (in a vacuum).

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm afraid to see DOV with no optimism

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

This epic meltdown better include both rljaws and JeffS

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will top this.
Then, as the buildup intensified and we looked at a potential for a 3-way deal that would make us better and cheaper, we get this. A guy who has worse peripherals than Joel “Fucking Sucks” Pineiro did last season.

It’s like having sex with a blowup doll. Sure, it’s fun and everything, but eventually you realize that you’re loving something that will never love you back. The Mariners will never repay my fanship with success except by blind luck. They’re the Special Olympics kid who somehow made his way into the actual Olympic track meet. Sure, there’s a chance he could win, and that would be great, but expecting it to happen or even hoping for it to happen should be automatic grounds for commitment.

I’m not leaving, or even going to stop rooting for the team, I have too much loyalty to the city I love (and really, that’s the only reason I root for the Ms. It’s too bad they didn’t move in retrospect. Then I’d be free.) to stop, but I’m just going to not care nearly as much because what’s the point? I can suffer through losing, as long as there’s hope at the end of the tunnel. But if there’s no hope then I might as well just go root for the fucking Cubs.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how if you click "CHW Outs" on GameTracker

nothing shows up

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ozzie's smart enough to know that Junior sucks in CF

So he’s Wisely trying to hide him when he can.

by Gomez on Aug 20, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Finally.

Finally, some recognition.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 20, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AN OUT!

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 17 BB, 38 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fliner, flyball, groundball, groundball, groundball, flyball

= 6 runs.

Sure wish Dickey would use that magical knuckle power to reduce his BABIP.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you take away the 6 runs he gave up

he’s pitching a shutout.

I can’t even find this funny anymore.

1IP 6ER = 54ERA

Jeff Weaver would be proud.

by PDXTai on Aug 20, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2006 was mildly amusing as well.

Yes this team has struggled for a while and yes they have been managed by a bunch of blind rainbow farting moneys but for only having 4 complete dud seasons 14 years this team hasn’t been as completely hopeless as people make them out to be. That and new gm new gm new gm

by Robert on Aug 20, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

and that excitement

goes out the door if we don’t end up with the #1 pick and Strasburg is off the board

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I prefer my comfort "southern" style.

True, he did pitch better than the results, but even a 3 run deficit in the first inning feel insurmountable by this team.

Can we just let Burke finish the game?

by PDXTai on Aug 20, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ERA woo

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Aug 20, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well today I'll update my sig live I guess

go Loafie?

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Laughably bad

it was negative for a while at the start of the season, which sucks, because it just means when he’s not hitting he looks absolutely horrid at the plate

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God you suck, Bryan LaHair

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:42 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RA Dickey has retired three consecutive batters!

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Betrayed.

Finally, some recognition.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Aug 20, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You weren't already?

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Aug 20, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be if we were in contention and/or it was a close game

hence “might as well be happy”

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not being in contention kinda eradicates the excitement of a close game for me

Especially since it’s not Felix (or RRS) day.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Aug 20, 2008 12:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know the Rangers came back from a 10-0 first inning deficit earlier this year

this is nothing for the Mariners

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone should show Yuni the MLB rulebook,

you know, with the part where it doesn’t say you’re required to swing at every pitch

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's see just how much our opposition can score today.

At least we’ll get mentioned on ESPN.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To quote myself:
Junior has zero XBH with the White Sox.

We all know what happens next.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 11:54 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really.

Ibanez is only playing for a contract now.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man, this team makes it so hard to stay loyal to them.

And how did the White Sox go from sucking to being good in just a season?

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Aug 20, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta save him for the stretch run

don’t want him getting tired with a draft pick game on the line

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need a mercy rule.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

but this is the Mariners.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 12:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to GameTracker,

Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey
Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey
Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey
Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ichiro is selfish and only cares about himself.
Could Ichiro wind up back in center? “The makeup of the ballclub is going to determine that. I’m pretty sure Ichiro prefers to play right. I know for the team he would go to center.”

~Per Larry Stone.

I suspect Ichiro is back in center next season.

by BrianL on Aug 20, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suspect the new GM calls Andy MacPhail

and invokes the little known “tradebacks” clause of the MLB CBA, allowing Adam Jones to be our CF next season

Seriously Bill – you got ripped off by a guy with the last name of MacPHAIL

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or in every inning

that hasn’t happened in a while either

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not knowing what he said, I got thinking:

Wouldn’t it be awesome for Dave to get so frustrated one game during the third inning he stands up and proclaims “I’m done, fuck this team” and takes off his headset and walks out. I hope this is the way he retires.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you guys are catching on.

Dave’s entire career has been a career of heartbreak. Yes, there have been a lot of amazing moments, but they can be singled down to 4-5 years. And in those great 4-5 years, never once did he taste a World Series appearance.

I guess I shouldn’t hope for him to retire this way, but I wouldn’t blame him if he did.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jose Lopez is a career .600 hitter against Gavin Floyd

I fully expect that he has a 60% chance to get a base hit here

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeebus.

I’ll be over at Field Gulls.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Aug 20, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God he BALKED him to second?

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fell off the mount

At least Wlad with a nice throw

by Schuxu on Aug 20, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still on pace for scoring in every inning!

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now I am just padding my post count

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glad you think so

I heard most people go for Reed

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*girls

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.5 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*or Ichiro

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me pad my rec count

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Post count

God dammit, I know I’m not good enough to get recs without craigslist

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

He's hitting to well

obviously he’;s not going to hit .300, but he will end p having the kind of year that will draw attention from many teams.

I think if he had no intention of leaving he’d have been extended already.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs