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8/20: Open Game Thread

Seattle Mariners at Chicago White Sox, Aug 20, 2008 11:05 AM PDT





W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - R.A. Dickey 3-7 23 12 0 0 0 0 97.0 108 53 53 12 46 55 4.92 1.59


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Gavin Floyd 12-6 24 24 1 0 0 0 146.1 126 79 61 22 59 103 3.75 1.26

Well if Felix can't tame the White Sox lineup, surely Dickey will be up to the task.

HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
HIT IT TO CENTER
God dammit Ozzie

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Best Lineup of the Season

I suppose that means you won't be making me porridge tomorrow morning, Ian?

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Put Tex at 1B and Furcal at SS

and regress Clement and Beltre’s luck and that’s a fun enough lineup to watch.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Although you could probably get a .280/.350/.450 performance out of 1B for next to nothing and you could invest in center, and Sheets/Burnett/CC (although CC isn’t realistic)

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be fine with that too.

If only we’d traded for Andy LaRoche.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on how much obviously

and an overall strategy being in place this winter, but it’s an option I would look at for sure.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

In that situation I would hope that no GM is stupid enough to go 4 years.

I’d even go 3 if the price wasn’t too outrageous, like some sort of vesting option based on the first two or if the contract was under ~$60m.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

There was a recent article

suggesting that Boras thinks Manny can get something like a 4 year/$100 million deal.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point is that Manny will take it seriously

as much as Manny can take anything seriously.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

It Boras being Boras

I bet Manny has little to do with it

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Floyd

I bet one of Bill Bavasi’s first acts in his new job was writing a report to Walt Jocketty on how the Reds should offer four of their better prospects to the White Sox for Gavin Floyd this offseason.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Yukiko Ueno

So this girl from Japan threw 21 innings and threw over 310 pitches in 2 games on the same day (giving up 7 runs total) and could be pitching in the Gold Medal game in the next day.

Oh what, there a Mariner game coming on?

by ThundaPC on Aug 20, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

If I were the Sox

I’d hit Swisher or Thome second and move AJ down the order.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

No way

Neither Swisher nor Thome can bunt worth a damn.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tony LaRussa does not know what he is doing

You bat a high on-base percentage guy in the 8th hole, not the pitcher, because he serves as a second leadoff hitter.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's a good idea

because if you are hitting Ankiel/Glaus/Ludwick second to get them more at bats, it makes sense to move the pitcher further away from the 2 spot.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you are in the NL

you should bat the pitcher second because he is always the best bunter in the lineup.

by G_ on Aug 20, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

That area under the bus is running out of room
The Yankees are 3-7 in the games Pudge Rodriguez has started since he came over from the Tigers. He is 8 for 35 (.229) with one RBI. Andy Pettitte threw to him once then asked not to again.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 20, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Me neither.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can.

A whole bunch of them…. decades worth.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 20, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

My god we suck.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah because those knuckleballs

are the easiest pitches to catch or block.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 20, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont understand why no one bro be up the whole having to catch an erratic knuckleballer thing when they talk about Clement having bad defense

Besides, it’s always seemed to me that catcher defense is really overvalued

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Aug 20, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully not until 2009 at the earliest.

No reason not to have him catch everyday in 2008 and see if he can become satisfactory because he has so much more value. C to 1B or DH is 20 runs worth of defensive value and opportunity cost. He’d have to be really really bad to make more sense at DH than C (in a vacuum).

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid to see DOV with no optimism

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This epic meltdown better include both rljaws and JeffS

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will top this.
Then, as the buildup intensified and we looked at a potential for a 3-way deal that would make us better and cheaper, we get this. A guy who has worse peripherals than Joel “Fucking Sucks” Pineiro did last season.

It’s like having sex with a blowup doll. Sure, it’s fun and everything, but eventually you realize that you’re loving something that will never love you back. The Mariners will never repay my fanship with success except by blind luck. They’re the Special Olympics kid who somehow made his way into the actual Olympic track meet. Sure, there’s a chance he could win, and that would be great, but expecting it to happen or even hoping for it to happen should be automatic grounds for commitment.

I’m not leaving, or even going to stop rooting for the team, I have too much loyalty to the city I love (and really, that’s the only reason I root for the Ms. It’s too bad they didn’t move in retrospect. Then I’d be free.) to stop, but I’m just going to not care nearly as much because what’s the point? I can suffer through losing, as long as there’s hope at the end of the tunnel. But if there’s no hope then I might as well just go root for the fucking Cubs.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like how if you click "CHW Outs" on GameTracker

nothing shows up

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

AN OUT!

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 17 BB, 38 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

fliner, flyball, groundball, groundball, groundball, flyball

= 6 runs.

Sure wish Dickey would use that magical knuckle power to reduce his BABIP.

by Matthew on Aug 20, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

If you take away the 6 runs he gave up

he’s pitching a shutout.

I can’t even find this funny anymore.

1IP 6ER = 54ERA

Jeff Weaver would be proud.

by PDXTai on Aug 20, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

2006 was mildly amusing as well.

Yes this team has struggled for a while and yes they have been managed by a bunch of blind rainbow farting moneys but for only having 4 complete dud seasons 14 years this team hasn’t been as completely hopeless as people make them out to be. That and new gm new gm new gm

by Robert on Aug 20, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

and that excitement

goes out the door if we don’t end up with the #1 pick and Strasburg is off the board

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Aug 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer my comfort "southern" style.

True, he did pitch better than the results, but even a 3 run deficit in the first inning feel insurmountable by this team.

Can we just let Burke finish the game?

by PDXTai on Aug 20, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

ERA woo

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Aug 20, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well today I'll update my sig live I guess

go Loafie?

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Laughably bad

it was negative for a while at the start of the season, which sucks, because it just means when he’s not hitting he looks absolutely horrid at the plate

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

God you suck, Bryan LaHair

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

RA Dickey has retired three consecutive batters!

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

You weren't already?

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Aug 20, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be if we were in contention and/or it was a close game

hence “might as well be happy”

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not being in contention kinda eradicates the excitement of a close game for me

Especially since it’s not Felix (or RRS) day.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Aug 20, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know the Rangers came back from a 10-0 first inning deficit earlier this year

this is nothing for the Mariners

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Someone should show Yuni the MLB rulebook,

you know, with the part where it doesn’t say you’re required to swing at every pitch

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's see just how much our opposition can score today.

At least we’ll get mentioned on ESPN.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

To quote myself:
Junior has zero XBH with the White Sox.

We all know what happens next.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Not really.

Ibanez is only playing for a contract now.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, this team makes it so hard to stay loyal to them.

And how did the White Sox go from sucking to being good in just a season?

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Aug 20, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta save him for the stretch run

don’t want him getting tired with a draft pick game on the line

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

but this is the Mariners.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to GameTracker,

Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey
Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey
Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey
Jake Woods relieved RA Dickey

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Ichiro is selfish and only cares about himself.
Could Ichiro wind up back in center? “The makeup of the ballclub is going to determine that. I’m pretty sure Ichiro prefers to play right. I know for the team he would go to center.”

~Per Larry Stone.

I suspect Ichiro is back in center next season.

by BrianL on Aug 20, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I suspect the new GM calls Andy MacPhail

and invokes the little known “tradebacks” clause of the MLB CBA, allowing Adam Jones to be our CF next season

Seriously Bill – you got ripped off by a guy with the last name of MacPHAIL

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or in every inning

that hasn’t happened in a while either

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.75 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not knowing what he said, I got thinking:

Wouldn’t it be awesome for Dave to get so frustrated one game during the third inning he stands up and proclaims “I’m done, fuck this team” and takes off his headset and walks out. I hope this is the way he retires.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you guys are catching on.

Dave’s entire career has been a career of heartbreak. Yes, there have been a lot of amazing moments, but they can be singled down to 4-5 years. And in those great 4-5 years, never once did he taste a World Series appearance.

I guess I shouldn’t hope for him to retire this way, but I wouldn’t blame him if he did.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeebus.

I’ll be over at Field Gulls.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Aug 20, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

God he BALKED him to second?

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Fell off the mount

At least Wlad with a nice throw

by Schuxu on Aug 20, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still on pace for scoring in every inning!

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Now I am just padding my post count

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.5 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Glad you think so

I heard most people go for Reed

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.5 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

*girls

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.5 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

*or Ichiro

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.5 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me pad my rec count

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Post count

God dammit, I know I’m not good enough to get recs without craigslist

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's hitting to well

obviously he’;s not going to hit .300, but he will end p having the kind of year that will draw attention from many teams.

I think if he had no intention of leaving he’d have been extended already.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope not

resigning him, even if he’s good will cost us.

It’s best to let him walk, take the picks, and sign someone else.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Bavasi were still here

it would be Mike Piazza.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it wouldn't

Mike Piazza is retired.

by JI on Aug 20, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

RBIs! Home Runs! Type As!

Drafting two middle relievers =(

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

God Swisher

you are leading 10-3 stop whining show some dignity.

by Schuxu on Aug 20, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 148 H, 18 BB, 36.5 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Two

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by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good god.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm so apathetic.

This is currently my signature.

by kevin_ess on Aug 20, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHAA

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Ahahahaahha

Swisher just go the cold shoulder in the dugout.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

15-3? Hilarious.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

This reminds me...

Has Larry Stone taken over official gameday duties at the Times blog?

by BrianL on Aug 20, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, Ichi has a good game

and the M’s have a shot at history. This may be my favorite loss of all time

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

what is our shot at history?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Aug 20, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give up runs in every inning

hasn’t been done in about ten years, I think

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here comes Batista!

He’ll keep the streak alive!

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Aug 20, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no floor!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Aug 20, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Assuming they can score every inning

it’s only 8 innings, since they are the home team. Would that still count?

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Aug 20, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe the M's will have a massive comeback in the 9th

but I’d assume that’s how most games of this type go

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

GOD DAMMIT YOU DUMB SHIT

THAT’S WHY I NEVER ROOTED FOR YOU BEFORE

by seattlebruin on Aug 20, 2008 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I blame Batista.

He was throwing junk balls up there and the Sox didn’t know how to react.

by Wilder. on Aug 20, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey wow guys, we suck.

Just turned on the game. My god we’re unredeemable. Any highlights?

"Maybe Chief has to go and grab somebody from his neck and throw him into the wall."

by esoteric on Aug 20, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Not the first time I...

Wait a minute. No no no…

Raben died for your sins.

by Robert Lintott on Aug 20, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, we are getting a new court that they will unveil on friday.

No more lame ass block H in the middle of the court!!!!!!!!!

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Aug 20, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had more interesting prospects

Edgar’s last year, Ichiro getting the hits record, BUCKY JACOBSEN

2004 was the best 99 loss year ever

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Aug 20, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

FREE GEORGE SHERRILL!!!!

My layout.spellcheckDefault goes to 11

by PositivePaul on Aug 20, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah!

and Leone for Third finally played Third, we had the Freddy Garcia trade to be excited about, Jolbert Cabrera!

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Aug 20, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care what you say

I <3 Hawk Harrelson

My childhood was spent growing up in suburban Chicago listening to him rant- because of him I will never hate the White Sox and because of him everytime I see a home run my instinct is to yell “CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE BOARD???? YES!”

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Aug 20, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Christ!

In gif form he really, really, truly looks like a hawk. I never noticed before….perhaps because I avoid him like I wish I could avoid McCarver.
I can just see him digging his talons into some poor rodent while shrieking, “Put one on the board for the good guys!”.

"When I'm a evaluating a player the first three things I look at are: Character, character, and character."
-Charles Armstrong esq.

by Big Jared on Aug 20, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The weirdest part is the batter making the fist after the fall.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jake Peavy vs Dan Haren. Pitching duel right? No it's already 6-4 Arizona after two innings.

Baseball is weird.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 7:21 PM PDT reply actions  

And it ended up being an 8-6 final.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.280/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Aug 20, 2008 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not the Mariners, apparently

The Pirates just don’t give a shit.

by Gomez on Aug 20, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

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