OT: Mobile/Smartphone advice
Matthew had one of these fanpost/diary thingies about a year ago, right around the time I was looking at jumping into the smartphone market.
I ended up getting a T-mobile Shadow, which was great for viewing LL on the go, or finding a restaurant, and all those nice things that smartphones are supposed to do.
It worked in the UK, or at least I think it did, because someone fucking stole it when I was there. (Graham, if you know anything about this...)
Basically, I'm under contract (T-mobile), and I really need a phone. For the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that insurance actually gives me something for the loss of the old one, otherwise it'd be too expensive to do much of anything.
Basically, have any of the new phones (iPhone '3G', LG Voyager, whatever) blown people away? Any 3G phones on a GSM network that people love or hate?
Also, has anyone bought a phone abroad to use here? Shopping for phones in the UK was cool, because the phones were about 1-2 years ahead of what you can get here. Seems like it'd be cool to grab an unlocked Nokia e75/76, but then I wonder why I'd do that when there's simply no way to take advantage of it.
Any advice, recommendations, complaints, etc. would be really appreciated.
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iphone sucka, it is awesome.
I have eight watches. None of them are fake.
by RafaelCarmona22 on Aug 2, 2008 1:39 AM PDT 0 recs
I really enjoy my 3G iPhone
but I can certainly understand why its not for everyone. Seems a lot of people out there are waiting for the new line of Blackberries.
The poster formerly known as Matt.
by bluemax on Aug 2, 2008 2:23 AM PDT 0 recs
Problem with iPhones
is in order to use it on Tmo’s network in the US, you have to hack it and violate the EULA (which say you must use it on AT&T’s network only in the US). This means if there’s a problem, Apple’s going to go “LOL no, we won’t fix it, you broke the license terms, tough titties”.
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by eponymous_coward on
Aug 2, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
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I'm one of them waiting for the new Blackberry
As mentioned in the Off Topic from a few days ago,I’m on for the Bold, IF it ever releases in a timely manner
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by tootthekazoo on
Aug 2, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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You guys get the Nokia Nseries out there at all?
If so, the N96 will be out in a few months. It’ll dick all over the iPhone.
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by MarkE on Aug 2, 2008 5:11 AM PDT 0 recs
It looks nice, but really?
I’ve been hearing about how Product X will kill Apple/iPods/iPhones for a very long time now. It kind of gets old when it never happens.
by eponymous_coward on
Aug 2, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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How can anything?
We don’t have a real 3G network. With data rates making incremental gains, and without something to really separate itself from the crowd, yeah, cool interface/design seems to win the day.
I would rather have an N96 over a 3G iPhone, easy. Not even a question. But it’s more money, and I’m still not sure I would be able to USE the better performance – not on us networks, anyway.
by marc w on
Aug 2, 2008 10:58 AM PDT
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Er...
Why wouldn’t cool interface/design win the day? Generally speaking, people like to use well-designed things, and dislike hard-to-use, badly designed things.
by eponymous_coward on
Aug 2, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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The only real thing that sets the iPhone apart to me is the App Store
But other phones have done touchscreens better and Apple’s repeated attempts to cripple certain apps have turned me off to it. That and CDMA 4 life.
by Robert on
Aug 2, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
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Not for me.
I like being able to use my phone outside the US, thankyouverymuch.
by eponymous_coward on
Aug 2, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
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What's the app store?
Are they allowing 3rd party apps?
by marc w on
Aug 2, 2008 4:34 PM PDT
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Think a iTunes-ish type store for iPhone apps and games.
And yes they are allowing 3rd party apps as long as they are apple approved.
by Robert on
Aug 2, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
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If you prefer other features, you'll accept a worse interface
Generally speaking, you’re right. And if all else is equal, everyone will take the well-designed thing. But all else isn’t equal, and it’s sort of a tough call.
by marc w on
Aug 2, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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Well, good design is a feature.
Arguably, when you see the success the iPod/iPhone have had, one of the most important features of all.
by eponymous_coward on
Aug 3, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
“dick all over the iPhone”
Nobody has challenged the iPhone yet. There are a few knockoffs, but nobody has the operating system to make their phone come close to the power the iPhone carries. Google is supposed to be developing an OS, but they are having a difficult time producing one.
“dick all over the iPhone” ahahahahahahahahahahahaa
by Wilder. on
Aug 2, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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And this is the debate
Some people think the most important feature of a phone is its interface or OS, and others want technology. I’m not saying I think the former is wrong, but it’s basically impossible to even debate the iPhone vs. [X] – everyone’s talking past each other.
by marc w on
Aug 2, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
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Apple has the interface, none of their competitors do.
So it comes down to technology. Apple has been aware of this since the inception of the iPhone. They have been careful of what to include because of battery life performance. On top of that, they are allowing the competition determine what kind of technology the consumer demands; after all, cell phones are not Apple’s specialty. The new iPhone is a significant upgrade over the previous version and will continue to match the competition in technology with every subsequent release.
The big issue with Apple is their exclusive contract with AT&T. The AT&T network is bad and this is the iPhone’s biggest problem. However, the exclusive contract will end next summer. With another upgrade in technology next year to go along with their OS supremacy, there truly isn’t going to a better option available until someone can compete on the OS level. It’s the cost and contract on the AT&T network that has kept people from converting. In my personal experience, that is a lame excuse. The iPhone is the best smart phone product on the market and there should be no debate.
by Wilder. on
Aug 2, 2008 10:37 PM PDT
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Not so fast...
The exclusive deal with AT&T will probably be extended until at least 2010, says AT&T.
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by pdb on
Aug 3, 2008 10:38 AM PDT
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How many other companies have made this claim and have fallen short?
by BrianL on
Aug 2, 2008 11:12 AM PDT
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Nokia's been rolling out great functionality for years
For its first incarnation, Apple did well.
Functionality-wise, though, Nokia’s still streets ahead. It was Apple who challenged Nokia’s (and SE’s) market, not the other way around.
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by MarkE on
Aug 3, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
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I don't see people clamoring for a Nokia phone over an iPhone.
No one has an “iPhone killer” yet.
by BrianL on
Aug 3, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
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The US in general doesn't have a clue about cellphones
The iPhone hype isn’t hitting the more advanced markets nearly as hard.
by Graham on
Aug 3, 2008 5:32 PM PDT
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True enough.
The US is sort of the third world when it comes to cell phones. It’s pretty sad that European/Japanese/Korean tech is 18 months up on the US.
by eponymous_coward on
Aug 3, 2008 6:39 PM PDT
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Quite!
So can anyone tell me what this 18 month gap (that’s about what it seems to me too) actually means in terms of day-to-day use here in the US?
Graham – you must have had a UK phone. Are certain features not available to you, does the web not work as quickly, or did you not have a smartphone?
MarkE – same question….
by marc w on
Aug 3, 2008 8:48 PM PDT
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I work for a UK mobile network
We’ve had 98% 3G coverage for years and have already got 3.5G speed connections running in a lot of the country.
Nokia, SonyEricsson and Samsung (and latterly, LG) have thrown some very functional phones into the market that, on top of their network speeds, are great functional devices. To answer the question, I don’t know of any features that aren’t available to us (with the exception of the phone firmware upgrades being available at different stages depending upon your network).
And so long as the foreign network has a decent coverage, roaming data rates are about to plummet in the EU and the functionality works fine. I recently got a 3G connection in Ukraine of all places and it worked niftily.
I’m not up on what is the current state of US mobile usage, but certainly historically I was under the impression that the ‘gap’ as it were was due to a combination of cultural differences in how phones are used (text/web/voice usage) and also the availability of the network. Clearly, for the UK to have a fully functioning network with four providers, to completely cover an area that’s only two-thirds the size of California is far less of a task than that faced by US operators, many of whom are regional and can’t justify the cost of establishing an expensive high-speed network.
There’s also the complication of different arrangements in buying a phone contract here – almost always when you buy a phone contract in the UK you’re buying a handset too. I’m given to understand that you’re usually buying contracts and handsets independently of each other, and the two aren’t tied in?
Meanwhile, relative to the iPhone which hasn’t been around all that long, the N96’s predecessor (the N95) launched here about 18 months ago. I’ve been able to run SatNav off that, 5MP picture and video capture and 3G+ data speeds on that for longer than the iPhone’s been around. Hence why I say that the iPhone’s moving in on the other manufacturer’s territories.
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by MarkE on
Aug 4, 2008 1:03 AM PDT
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Typying this from the new skyfire browser
It seems to be a quite efficent way to surf.
by Robert on Aug 2, 2008 9:34 AM PDT 0 recs
I've been meaning to give that a try
Thanks for the endorsement
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by tootthekazoo on
Aug 2, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
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I had that on my old Shadow, but you know
I actually thought Opera mini had quicker page loads. Esp. for LL, incidentally.
by marc w on
Aug 2, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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Oper mini wont install on my treo so i had to look else where
But on the plus side, it looks like mlb.tv should run on skyfire untill mlb clamps down on it.
by Robert on
Aug 2, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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Still not sure if mlb.tv works
But I can confirm that MLB gameday/Audio do work which means live updating P/fx. Awesome.
by Robert on
Aug 3, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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that works on palm OS?
I thought it was WinMob and Symbian only?
by Matthew on
Aug 2, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
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iPhone with T-Mobile
Used to have a Blackberry 8800 but the trackball wore out. Got a warranty replacement, and then sold that on eBay. Now I have a first generation iPhone running the new 2.0 firmware and my office has T-Mobile as their cellular provider. So I have unlocked or “pwned” the phone and am able to use the monthly $5.99 T-Zones data plan to utilize the EDGE network. A much cheaper proposition than AT&T’s monthly plans along with the data network fees.
Not much risk to unlocking the phone at this point—takes maybe 10 minutes in total. But EC is right on to speak of operating without a net. :)
by waterskiace on Aug 2, 2008 9:54 AM PDT 0 recs
If you're not tech-savvy
unlocking the iPhone is a risky proposition. Apple, understandably, has no sympathy if you try, fail, and go to the Apple Store or AT&T store to get help. So, if want to unlock your phone but you’re not 100% sure of what you’re doing, I’d either pay a friend to do it who knows how to do it, or leave it.
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by pdb on
Aug 2, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
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It's not so much being tech savvy,
it’s about not getting support from Apple if anything fails on your phone.
by Wilder. on
Aug 2, 2008 10:39 PM PDT
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If you can't get an iPhone to work on your network (or can't terminate your contract to move to AT&T)
I’d see if you can find an HTC phone of some variety. Before my iPhone I used an HTC 8925 and absolutely loved it. Before that one I had an HTC 8525.
by BrianL on Aug 2, 2008 11:16 AM PDT 0 recs
HTC
I really like HTC S620 aka Tmobile Dash for a smartphone.
by thepull on
Aug 2, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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Just out of curiosity. How much is an iPhone plan per month?
by Scrupio on Aug 2, 2008 11:38 AM PDT 0 recs
30 dollars on top of whatever you the voice plan is.
There’s no reason to get the Enterprise iPhone package. It is a scam.
by BrianL on
Aug 2, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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I am so glad I got in on the Sprint CERO before they axed it.
long live free everything for 30/month.
by Matthew on
Aug 2, 2008 12:21 PM PDT
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I just got the LG Dare and I LOVE it
It is Verizons iPhone counterpart (all touch screen – no physical keyboard like the voyager) and since it is on Verizon’s network I am in love with it.
There isn’t much in the way of advertising out for it, but the phone rocks.
by seattlesundevil on Aug 2, 2008 1:31 PM PDT 0 recs
So...
I’m on Verizon, am eligible for an upgrade and my contract ends in 8 days. I’m on my dad’s familyshare plan and basically it’s free or I would pay $10/month. Is it worth it to switch to AT&T for the iPhone or is there a comparable phone with Verizon? How much is AT&T w/ the iPhone a month and how much would the comparable Verizon phone be? I realize it’s possible to research myself but I figure I’d ask here since you guys know your stuff.
by Mariner John on Aug 3, 2008 5:52 PM PDT 0 recs
You can get a BB.
The Curve is a very decent option for VZW. One thing you may want to look at before getting a smartphone is the data plan. If you have a normal phone, you probably don’t have a data plan, which a smartphone would need before you coul use the web access or email. Those are much more expensive than the 10$ for the expanding the normal family share.
by Faux on
Aug 3, 2008 6:29 PM PDT
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The iPhone per-month plan is a $30 data plan + the cost of whichever voice plan you choose (texting additional cost).
As a note, there’s absolutely no reason whatsoever to get the $45 enterprise plan. Exchange direct-push e-mails work just fine on the $30 plan.
The phone I’d recommend if you stick with Verizon is the HTC XV6800 Smartphone. Unfortunately, it is more expensive than a new 8gb iPhone if you were to start a new contract with AT&T.
On first glance, here’s the differences I’m spotting in plan costs:
Verizon: 450 minutes voice, unlimited data $79.95 per month. <br />AT&T: 450 minutes voice (5000 night&weekend minutes) $39.95 per month. iPhone data plan @ $30.00 per month. Total $69.95 per month.
So, if my numbers are right, it’s about $10 cheaper per month to go with AT&T.
by BrianL on
Aug 3, 2008 6:44 PM PDT
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The hell?
Curse you SBN 2.0
Here’s the breakdown:
ATT’s iPhone plan: $69.95 ($39.95 voice + $30 data) per month, includes 450 minutes voice (5000 weekends and night)
Verizon: $79.95 unlimited data + 450 minute voice.
by BrianL on
Aug 3, 2008 6:47 PM PDT
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But I'm one of the additional lines on my dad's for $10 a month so i don't know that that applies.
I don’t know how much that fits into the cost of a voice + data.
Thanks for the help.
by Mariner John on
Aug 3, 2008 7:05 PM PDT
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That should cover the voice.
The data is a different story.
by Faux on
Aug 3, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
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Still works.
I hooked onto a family plan with my folks last year so we could split the costs and get a bit of a deal. The iPhone data plan is still $30 on top of the $10 additional line.
by BrianL on
Aug 3, 2008 7:30 PM PDT
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That wasn't very clear, let me try again.
if you’re hooking into a family plan, the cost is $40 ($10 additional line + $30 data) a month for the iPhone.
It’s a pretty good deal.
by BrianL on
Aug 3, 2008 7:34 PM PDT
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My parents aren't switching with me.
So it’s still $70 compared to ~$40.
by Mariner John on
Aug 3, 2008 8:23 PM PDT
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The windows mobile phones seem a lot more functional to me
I have useful applications on my Sprint Mogul. It’s not as pretty or slick as the iPhone, but it has a lot more function than fashion. Any sort of business or medical software is more likely to work on a palm or windows mobile device.
by MrIncognito on Aug 4, 2008 7:15 PM PDT 0 recs










