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I think I've posed this question once or twice before, but honestly now, if you were to make a list of the biggest Mariner disappointments over the past several years, where would Yuni come in?

I'm not going to sit here and blame him for this loss; Clement was worse, the error only cost the team -8.1% in WPA, and Washburn's the one who allowed the lead-changing homer. But speaking in terms of the bigger picture...just how significant is it that a game like this barely fazes us anymore? Is this how low our standards have sunk? Yuni went 1-4 with a single and an error - the sort of game that he has entirely too often - and so what? I doubt anyone's really going to be talking about it in the morning. Because this is Yuni. This is what Yuni does.

And that's just unbelievable to me considering what we thought he was when he first came up. Yuni was sold as as guy with a low but productive offensive ceiling and the kind of defensive ability that would for several years make him one of the biggest bargains in baseball. I should know; I was one of the people doing the selling. But what now? His OPS has dropped to .631. His Marcel projected OPS, while much better, is still only .702. He doesn't walk. He doesn't hit for power. He doesn't run. And instead of being one of the best defensive shortstops in the league, he's turned into a lackadaisacal fat oaf, a new Deivi Cruz when the world already has all the Deivi Cruz it'll ever need. And as normal and acceptable as this has become to point out in recent months, if you think back to how we responded to this guy when he was first making a name for himself in 2005, I think you may be shocked by how much of a disappointment he really is.

It's one thing for a prospect like Ryan Anderson or Clint Nageotte to wash out before ever really making it. That kind of thing happens all the time, and it's why minor league depth is such a critical component of any successful organization. But it's quite another for a prospect to make it to the big leagues, establish himself as something valuable, and then suddenly, without warning, regress to the point at which he becomes a major problem. That's not a normal career path. That's not even an abnormal career path. That's borderline anomalous. Yuniesky Betancourt is practically an anomaly in the way that he went from big asset to painful headache before turning 27.

And I think that's what hurts the most. If Yuni had busted out in AAA, that would've stung, but we would've gotten over it. As is, though, he sort of took the scenic route to the kingdom of fail, taking the time to almost achieve his potential before sliding all the way back down. The magnitude of that slide is therefore remarkably large, and the reason I'm asking this question. Where does Yuni fit in on the list of recent disappointments? He's obviously below the 2008 season as a whole, but the fact that he's even somewhere up there rubbing shoulders with Lollablueza will just never stop blowing my mind.

What a waste.

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Biggest Contribution: Raul Ibanez, +10.4%
Biggest Suckfest: Jeff Clement, -19.7%
Most Important AB: Balentien groundout, -10.7%
Most Important Pitch: Guerrero homer, -27.2%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -20.6%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -45.8%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +16.4%
(What is this chart?)

I'm not going to give the Angels a bunch of crap for that little maneuver at the end, since Francisco Rodriguez has on average inherited the highest-leverage situations of any reliever in baseball, but holy hell was that ever the dumbest save in the world. Never let anyone tell you that Mike Scioscia isn't a player's manager. He knows what Rodriguez is chasing, and he's fully prepared to do what he can to help him along. Cheap? Maybe, but truth be told, Rodriguez probably deserves a few more of these. What a great time for him to have this season.

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Dumbest Save Ever?

What about last year, when Texas won by ~30 runs, and their guy got the save because he pitched the last 3 innings?

by Fez on Aug 13, 2008 12:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of which.

One of my favorites is Putz recording a save last year while allowing a Grand Slam.

by ThundaPC on Aug 13, 2008 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yuni

I’m curious about how the organization views him at this point. Before the season began, they even made a commercial highlighting Yuni’s assumingly good defense. But in reality, we haven’t seen “the magician” in ages.

by ThundaPC on Aug 13, 2008 2:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I would hope they might put similar clauses that they put in Loafie's contract when it comes time to negotiate it.

I mean I am not too sure what else would encourage Yuni to start playing better.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Aug 13, 2008 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

IMO...

Yuni is the equivalent of spoiled brat gone real bad.

The M’s totally rushed the kid up and he never really earned his way up the minor league ladder. He never excelled, was never demanded it, and they basically ended up with the sort of insolent dumbass you’d end up with if you gave your kid Coach bags, boob jobs and Corvettes for every pop quiz they get.

In terms of skill, he may have been ready. But not in terms of makeup.

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Aug 13, 2008 5:04 AM PDT reply actions  

FYI, Frankie received a very similar save situation about a week or so ago

against the Orioles. 2 out, 2 on, up by four. He came in and tied the game, though the angels did win it in the bottom of the inning. Just saying that no save is so cheap that Frankie can’t fuck it up.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Aug 13, 2008 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Wasn't his fault though - Teixeira booted a pretty easy grounder from Roberts

but yeah, he probably shouldn’t have just melted down after that

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 146 H, 16 BB, 44 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 13, 2008 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the flip side, where does Jose Lopez' 2008 season rank on the list of pleasant surprises for the M's recently?

somewhere between George Sherrill’s emergence and the entire 2007 season?

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 146 H, 16 BB, 44 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 13, 2008 7:29 AM PDT reply actions  

It's funny. It's like the opposite of his 2006 season.

He’s actually done better (of course, it’s a rather SSS) in the second half so far than the first half.

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Aug 13, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure it's just a BABIP fluke though -

I ran his batted ball profile during that nice hitting streak he had and basically his LD rate over those 20 games wasn’t all that great, ~15%. Looks like a lot of grounders were just sneaking through, which explains why his SLG hasn’t gone up all that much

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 146 H, 16 BB, 44 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 13, 2008 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking he's just a late bloomer.

There were parts of his 06 early season where he looked like he was lost as well, just not as many. Some times you just have to wait it out, and for young guys, I don’t mind waiting for a few years.

It’s why I’m not too worried about Yuni. I doubt he really had a chance to enjoy any of his new freedoms with the quick callups and adjusting to the MLB, and is just getting used to our society and the excesses it can bring. I have friends with parents that moved from other countries within the past few years, and they still don’t understand a lot about American society. When (if) he grows up a little and realizes what he has isn’t going to last forever, he’ll get better. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a newly revitalized (and trimmer) Yuni coming into next ST, especially if we get a new GM/Manager combo early in the offseason.

by Faux on Aug 13, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm absolutely convinced that this offseason

Lopez will be the one out the door, while Yuniesky will stick around for ‘09.

by katal on Aug 13, 2008 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Biggest Mariner Disappointments

Losing in the ‘95 playoffs. Rarely mentioned because beating the Wankees was so cool. But the subsequent loss was devastating.

Losing in the ‘01 playoffs. After our sterling record. God that was worse than when the Sonics went down in the first round to Dikembe’s Nuggets after finishing the season with the NBA’s best record.

Um… Trading Jr. Trading the Unit. Losing A-Rod. Omar. Langston. Cruz Jr. Bill Swift.

Watching guys like Campillo, Solomon Torres, Ryan Franklin, and even Bob Melvin find success elsewhere.

Watching all of our big AAA pitching prospects flame out.

McClaren as our manager.

Player A
Jeff Cirillo
Kevin Mitchell
Timlin, Spoljeric (sp?) and Slocumb

Richie Sexson’s last two years

Paul Molitor – “hitting coach”
The fading of Bryan Price’s star

Edgar not getting into the HOF (when it happens)
RJ choosing to go in as a Diamondback

Howard Lincoln/Chuck Armstrong still have jobs

Dave Niehaus going blind
Valle, Henderson as broadcasters

by johnbai on Aug 13, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Ryan Franklin found success elsewhere?

Did he open up a car dealership or something?

by Wilder. on Aug 13, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

14 saves as the closer for St Louis while Izzy's been hurt

saves are a stupid stat, and the peripherals aren’t too shiny. However, LaRussa has been happy to have him as a bullpen arm with a 3.65 ERA. At least enough to trot him out there for 56 innings so far this year.

by johnbai on Aug 13, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

another thrilling episode of "Can This Shortstop Be Saved?"

So what’s to be done?
More instruction? More benching? AAA time? Trade?

by Spoomeister on Aug 13, 2008 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

We need to trade with the Dodgers before they A. run out of blue chip prospects

and B. before someone realizes how bad Ned Coletti is at his job

The ♥ Jose Lopez ♥ Watch - 146 H, 16 BB, 44 G Left

by seattlebruin on Aug 13, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

With his salary someone else would likely snap him up

Just to keep him off the Dodgers roster. They’re pretty far down the list of waiver priorities, if I understand that system well enough.

Problem is, with his salary the M’s aren’t all that eager to move him. He’s a cheap piece that’s easy to hold onto, especially with nobody who has his kind of rep or name brand recognition to fill his shoes.

Free Stephen Awesome Strasburg!

by thejew4u on Aug 13, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about signing Adam Everett in the off season to "push" Yuni if the new GM can't or doesn't want to trade Yuni?

Their combined salaries won’t cripple the team and we know Everett is good enough defensively to make up for his bat (compared to Yuni).

by Jed MC on Aug 13, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lollablueza

I’ve almost forgotten just how brutal that was. We were 1 game out of first, and then what, 10 straight losses?

by CKel on Aug 13, 2008 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

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