Bad Ideas And The People Who Love Them
With Bedard sidelined, the Mariners will return Ryan Rowland-Smith to the bullpen and start Jarrod Washburn on Saturday, then Miguel Batista on Sunday.
And after the All-Star break?
Riggleman said the tentative plan was to start Felix Hernandez, Washburn, Silva and then Bedard after the break.
“It would be nice to start the second half with the pitching staff we envisioned coming out of camp,” Riggleman said.
There are currently three pitchers in the Mariner dugout who may be capable of starting games next year and delivering a reasonable performance for next to nothing. If Riggleman has his way, none of them will be able to prepare for such an opportunity down the stretch. But hey, at least Batista earned his way back. While his season numbers may be beyond embarrassing, those three innings of relief were something else.
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Incompetence is running wild in this organization.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 9, 2008 9:03 AM PDT 0 recs
WHATCHA GONNA DO, BROTHER
WHEN IGNORANCE RUNS WILD ON YOUUUUUUUUUUU
by Gomez on
Jul 9, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
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AWOoooooooooooooooooooo
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
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God Dammit.
Get your fucking heads out of your asses, FO/Rigglemania.
Go Nova
by dbroncos31 on Jul 9, 2008 9:03 AM PDT 0 recs
When I got tickets for the second game after the AS break
I envisioned Felix starting that game. Fuck you Bedard, pitch through pain you little maggot, pitch til your fucking shoulder turns to hamburger.
by JI on Jul 9, 2008 9:04 AM PDT 0 recs
Strasburg!
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on Jul 9, 2008 9:08 AM PDT 0 recs
I really believe
that the team is covertly tanking the season to land the #1 pick, hence crap like this and Vidro batting cleanup.
by Gomez on
Jul 9, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
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It's not like RRS is going to be amazing as a starter right now though
he still needs to work on stretching out, so right now if he’s giving them ~4 innings and 1-2 RA, you can always call on Batista or Corcoran to blow the game anyway.
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 9:18 AM PDT
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but of course...
Batista is amazing as a starter right now haha
by Smith18 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
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But RRS has upside as a starter
Why take chances when Batista’s pitching assures you of losses? You can always stretch RRS out next year ;P
by Gomez on
Jul 9, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
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If they had brains
Train him up now while we have a throw away season and virtually nothing to lose (oh right…if we win we wont get the #1 pick) so that he can be used next year when we have a fresh plate and he will have built stamina to be a successful starter
by Smith18 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
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(keep in mind I'm being facetious)
I agree with gustaf below that they’re likely just showcasing their crap in hopes that someone will make a deal for said crap, and then they’ll slide RRS back into the rotation.
by Gomez on
Jul 9, 2008 9:31 AM PDT
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They'd better not sit on their asses during trade season
that iswhat im hoping for!
(but if they trade RR-S I will shit a brick)
by Smith18 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
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For your butthole's sake
I hope they don’t trade RR-S.
by LantermanC on
Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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Well played.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
by Thingray on
Jul 9, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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Yeah, I figured the silver lining this year
is that we’re the season was already over 2 months in, so we can at least see if what we want next year. Like Jeff said, who among RRS, Morrow, and Dickey can be a starter? But if only one (and possibly none) get to start, it might be hard to decide come spring training. Hopefully we’re just banking on Batista getting 2 good starts in so we can trade him, and hopefully we trade Washburn and move RRS back into a starting role.
by LantermanC on
Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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I'm almost certain Wash is going to be dealt.
Tits…not so much.
by BrianL on
Jul 9, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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I'm just not sure how good I feel about RRS, Morrow and Dickey in the same rotation
yeah, all three are made of awesome for varying reasons, but when you get right down to it, you have three relatively high risk guys that you’re counting on (Morrow/RRS due to stretching out and experience concerns, Dickey due to his erratic pitching this season). You’d probably expect at least one of them to flame out, but then I guess that’s what replacement level left-handed starters in AAA are for.
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
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That's why smart bloggers always reccomend signing a few of those guys every year.
by Jed MC on
Jul 9, 2008 10:28 AM PDT
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Do the guys turn green after five bloggers recommend it?
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
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Only when they get really angry.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
Jul 9, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
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I found something
better to recommend
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
Jul 9, 2008 4:09 PM PDT
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I warned
you about Riggleman.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on
Jul 9, 2008 12:10 PM PDT
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FUCK THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT!!!
I’ve been trying to have patience with Riggleman and company starting the likes of Jose Vidro, Richie Sexson, and Miguel Cairo with the understanding that THIS HORSESHIT WOULD STOP WHEN THE TRADE DEADLINE PASSED!!
No matter how delusional, as long as there was any hope of trading these bums I could cross my eyes and tilt my head and suffer through it. But WTF. Once the trade deadline is gone, if Riggleman is still trotting Vidro, Sexson and Cairo out there then I. Give. Up. What on earth does this accomplish other than pissing off your fan base and wasting time that could be used to have a look at pieces that actually might be useful to the future of this ballclub.
Man, I really hope this team is sold and Howard/Lincoln/Riggleman and all just disappear.
by manyoso on Jul 9, 2008 9:12 AM PDT 0 recs
It'll be okay, just take some deep breaths.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
by Thingray on
Jul 9, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
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Amen to that!
Back to saving money on (random bought, non season plan) tickets!
by Smith18 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:26 AM PDT
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I think we are overreacting
I think management is hoping to showcase Washburn’s mediocrity in order to deal him. (All of us would do backflips to get his salary off the ‘09 books). Assuming that happens, we only have a couple more Washburn starts to live through.
RRS will be primed and ready to slide into the rotation when Washburn gets dealt.
As for Batista, I bet management is hoping to create a market for him as well. His dealine is not July 31. He will EASILY clear waivers, meaning he has a month and a half to fool teams into thinking he can get outs.
For ‘09 purposes, starting those two guys actually makes sense in that it increases the chances that one or both will be traded for a bucket of balls.
by gustafm on Jul 9, 2008 9:26 AM PDT 0 recs
There is no way I'm settling for a bucket of balls for Batista
We had better get at least 50 high-quality wood bats in return as well or no deal
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
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We could throw him into a deal and hope the other GM doesn't notice
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
Jul 9, 2008 10:37 AM PDT
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I'm pretty sure former M's GM Bill Bavasi wouldn't notice
I mean the man traded for Jose Vidro and didn’t notice that he got Pepe Vidro too.
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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BTW, anyone else have a pet peeve
when people spell it Bautista, or Bautitusta, or other variations that are clearly wrong.
It seems like a lot of Mariners are untradeable… what does that say about our ability to properly assess talent?
by LantermanC on
Jul 9, 2008 10:40 AM PDT
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That's why I just say "Tits".
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
by Thingray on
Jul 9, 2008 10:53 AM PDT
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I am (not so secretly) hoping that
Washburn has done well the past start and will be looking good to the NL as a middle reliever and at least has SOME trade value if he continues to pitch somewhat well.
As to if they would put RR-S in the rotation if Washburn gets dealt…one can only hope.
I would rather see RR-S than Batista or even Silva lol (didnt say myy wishes were realistic) but maybe you are right.
by Smith18 on Jul 9, 2008 9:36 AM PDT 0 recs
Heh, Washburn is probably looknig pretty good as a #3 to a bunch of NL teams right now
Let’s see if we can swing a Washburn/Yuni + some AAAA guy for Loney/Kemp right now
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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Yuni/Wash for Loney would be everything we ever dreamed of.
Go Nova
by dbroncos31 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:45 AM PDT
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which means
it will never happen.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on
Jul 9, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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I dreamed of winning the Final Four one time
Not sure how getting James Loney would help that…
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
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Didn't he play hoops at some point?
Also Kemp is way more likely to be dealt than Loney.
The poster formerly known as Matt.
by bluemax on
Jul 9, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
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someone expected something different
from this organization? I seriously doubt anyone on the team gets moved or demoted while in this “temporary” flux situation with the GM and Manager…. maybe one player, but doubtful anything more then that.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 9, 2008 9:42 AM PDT 0 recs
So ESPN has a rumor that the Twins are talking to the M's about Beltre.
by BrianL on Jul 9, 2008 10:44 AM PDT 0 recs
I thought that rumor was that they were talking to themselves
by seattlebruin on
Jul 9, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
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That's probably about as far as it will get.
Are the Twins really going to absorb Beltre’s payroll for a season and change?
by BrianL on
Jul 9, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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There's a rumor on the street that I talked to the bus driver about the weather today
by Gomez on
Jul 9, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
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We saw it on the internet, it must be true.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
by Thingray on
Jul 9, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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Riggleman is a shitty manager
He’s just as bad as McLaren at least. God if he’s around in ‘09 that is going to suck so bad >:(
by OlSalty on Jul 9, 2008 10:58 AM PDT 0 recs
Even if Lee P. is the new GM, I doubt they retain Riggleman.
Hell, I bet the only member of the coaching staff they retain is Norm Charlton, just so we can hang on to that ‘95 magic a little longer.
by BrianL on
Jul 9, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
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The bullpen has been pretty good.
Not that he really has anything to do with it.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
by Thingray on
Jul 9, 2008 11:28 AM PDT
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Why, because he's playing Vidro, Bloomquist and Cairo? And this throwaway comment?
How do we know these are entirely his decisions?
And the comment about having his original rotation means nothing. It’s a throwaway thought.
by Gomez on
Jul 9, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
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Why would the front office tell him to play Vidro? Or Bloomquist? Or Cairo?
Or Batista? All of these are guys who will be gone next year most likely and we are playing for nothing. It’s not like they have any trade value either. Certainly there is a possibility that he is being ordered to play these guys but it wouldn’t make any sense as far as the goals of the front office are concerned to go out of their way to play them, and there is no evidence that his lineups are being dictated for him.
I don’t buy that they’re intentionally trying to lose, Lincoln and Armstrong must still be concerned about their jobs and a strong finish would help them keep them even if it was bad for the future success of the club.
by OlSalty on
Jul 9, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
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What the hell kind of trade value do three guys who can't OPS .600 have?
Okay, Willie is slightly above .600, but he’s slugging .248…..248!
What value does one of the worst pitchers in baseball in Miguel Batista have?
They have no trade value to inflate, NOBODY is that stupid. You’re not going to get better than a warm body for any of them if you even get that so what is the point? They are all farrrr below replacement level and every front office in baseball must realize that.
by OlSalty on
Jul 9, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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We know they don't have trade value, I admit that.
This season is toast, another three weeks of Vidro/Sexson/Tits/Cairo isn’t going to hurt. Showcase them, see if something materializes. If not, dump them after the deadline.
by BrianL on
Jul 9, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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It's an idea
But “Riggleman totally did this himself because he’s an idiot” is also an idea.
by Gomez on
Jul 9, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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He's the one who makes the lineups
It’s less of a stretch to hold him responsible for his own responsibilities than it is to say his bosses told him to do it without evidence. Do you really think the front office commanded him to bat Vidro cleanup 8 times? Putting him in the lineup is one thing, but telling Rigglem



