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Tiny by Jeff on in Bad News

*sigh*

With Bedard sidelined, the Mariners will return Ryan Rowland-Smith to the bullpen and start Jarrod Washburn on Saturday, then Miguel Batista on Sunday.

And after the All-Star break?

Riggleman said the tentative plan was to start Felix Hernandez, Washburn, Silva and then Bedard after the break.

“It would be nice to start the second half with the pitching staff we envisioned coming out of camp,” Riggleman said.

There are currently three pitchers in the Mariner dugout who may be capable of starting games next year and delivering a reasonable performance for next to nothing. If Riggleman has his way, none of them will be able to prepare for such an opportunity down the stretch. But hey, at least Batista earned his way back. While his season numbers may be beyond embarrassing, those three innings of relief were something else.

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God Dammit.

Get your fucking heads out of your asses, FO/Rigglemania.

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jul 9, 2008 9:03 AM PDT   0 recs

When I got tickets for the second game after the AS break

I envisioned Felix starting that game. Fuck you Bedard, pitch through pain you little maggot, pitch til your fucking shoulder turns to hamburger.

by JI on Jul 9, 2008 9:04 AM PDT   0 recs

Strasburg!

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on Jul 9, 2008 9:08 AM PDT   0 recs

I really believe

that the team is covertly tanking the season to land the #1 pick, hence crap like this and Vidro batting cleanup.

by Gomez on Jul 9, 2008 9:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not like RRS is going to be amazing as a starter right now though

he still needs to work on stretching out, so right now if he’s giving them ~4 innings and 1-2 RA, you can always call on Batista or Corcoran to blow the game anyway.

by seattlebruin on Jul 9, 2008 9:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

but of course...

Batista is amazing as a starter right now haha

by Smith18 on Jul 9, 2008 9:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But RRS has upside as a starter

Why take chances when Batista’s pitching assures you of losses? You can always stretch RRS out next year ;P

by Gomez on Jul 9, 2008 9:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If they had brains

Train him up now while we have a throw away season and virtually nothing to lose (oh right…if we win we wont get the #1 pick) so that he can be used next year when we have a fresh plate and he will have built stamina to be a successful starter

by Smith18 on Jul 9, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

(keep in mind I'm being facetious)

I agree with gustaf below that they’re likely just showcasing their crap in hopes that someone will make a deal for said crap, and then they’ll slide RRS back into the rotation.

by Gomez on Jul 9, 2008 9:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They'd better not sit on their asses during trade season

that iswhat im hoping for!

(but if they trade RR-S I will shit a brick)

by Smith18 on Jul 9, 2008 9:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For your butthole's sake

I hope they don’t trade RR-S.

by LantermanC on Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I figured the silver lining this year

is that we’re the season was already over 2 months in, so we can at least see if what we want next year. Like Jeff said, who among RRS, Morrow, and Dickey can be a starter? But if only one (and possibly none) get to start, it might be hard to decide come spring training. Hopefully we’re just banking on Batista getting 2 good starts in so we can trade him, and hopefully we trade Washburn and move RRS back into a starting role.

by LantermanC on Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm just not sure how good I feel about RRS, Morrow and Dickey in the same rotation

yeah, all three are made of awesome for varying reasons, but when you get right down to it, you have three relatively high risk guys that you’re counting on (Morrow/RRS due to stretching out and experience concerns, Dickey due to his erratic pitching this season). You’d probably expect at least one of them to flame out, but then I guess that’s what replacement level left-handed starters in AAA are for.

by seattlebruin on Jul 9, 2008 10:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Only when they get really angry.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 9, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I warned

you about Riggleman.

Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?

by 3744nsheffield on Jul 9, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

FUCK THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT!!!

I’ve been trying to have patience with Riggleman and company starting the likes of Jose Vidro, Richie Sexson, and Miguel Cairo with the understanding that THIS HORSESHIT WOULD STOP WHEN THE TRADE DEADLINE PASSED!!

No matter how delusional, as long as there was any hope of trading these bums I could cross my eyes and tilt my head and suffer through it. But WTF. Once the trade deadline is gone, if Riggleman is still trotting Vidro, Sexson and Cairo out there then I. Give. Up. What on earth does this accomplish other than pissing off your fan base and wasting time that could be used to have a look at pieces that actually might be useful to the future of this ballclub.

Man, I really hope this team is sold and Howard/Lincoln/Riggleman and all just disappear.

by manyoso on Jul 9, 2008 9:12 AM PDT   0 recs

It'll be okay, just take some deep breaths.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 9, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, Hyphen, it was fun.

Thanks for the memories.

by BrianL on Jul 9, 2008 9:23 AM PDT   0 recs

Amen to that!

Back to saving money on (random bought, non season plan) tickets!

by Smith18 on Jul 9, 2008 9:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we are overreacting

I think management is hoping to showcase Washburn’s mediocrity in order to deal him. (All of us would do backflips to get his salary off the ‘09 books). Assuming that happens, we only have a couple more Washburn starts to live through.

RRS will be primed and ready to slide into the rotation when Washburn gets dealt.

As for Batista, I bet management is hoping to create a market for him as well. His dealine is not July 31. He will EASILY clear waivers, meaning he has a month and a half to fool teams into thinking he can get outs.

For ‘09 purposes, starting those two guys actually makes sense in that it increases the chances that one or both will be traded for a bucket of balls.

by gustafm on Jul 9, 2008 9:26 AM PDT   0 recs

There is no way I'm settling for a bucket of balls for Batista

We had better get at least 50 high-quality wood bats in return as well or no deal

by seattlebruin on Jul 9, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW, anyone else have a pet peeve

when people spell it Bautista, or Bautitusta, or other variations that are clearly wrong.
It seems like a lot of Mariners are untradeable… what does that say about our ability to properly assess talent?

by LantermanC on Jul 9, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's why I just say "Tits".

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 9, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am (not so secretly) hoping that

Washburn has done well the past start and will be looking good to the NL as a middle reliever and at least has SOME trade value if he continues to pitch somewhat well.

As to if they would put RR-S in the rotation if Washburn gets dealt…one can only hope.

I would rather see RR-S than Batista or even Silva lol (didnt say myy wishes were realistic) but maybe you are right.

by Smith18 on Jul 9, 2008 9:36 AM PDT   0 recs

Heh, Washburn is probably looknig pretty good as a #3 to a bunch of NL teams right now

Let’s see if we can swing a Washburn/Yuni + some AAAA guy for Loney/Kemp right now

by seattlebruin on Jul 9, 2008 9:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

which means

it will never happen.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 9, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dreamed of winning the Final Four one time

Not sure how getting James Loney would help that…

by seattlebruin on Jul 9, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's non-white.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 9, 2008 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't he play hoops at some point?

Also Kemp is way more likely to be dealt than Loney.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jul 9, 2008 2:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

someone expected something different

from this organization? I seriously doubt anyone on the team gets moved or demoted while in this “temporary” flux situation with the GM and Manager…. maybe one player, but doubtful anything more then that.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 9, 2008 9:42 AM PDT   0 recs

Riggleman is a shitty manager

He’s just as bad as McLaren at least. God if he’s around in ‘09 that is going to suck so bad >:(

by OlSalty on Jul 9, 2008 10:58 AM PDT   0 recs

Even if Lee P. is the new GM, I doubt they retain Riggleman.

Hell, I bet the only member of the coaching staff they retain is Norm Charlton, just so we can hang on to that ‘95 magic a little longer.

by BrianL on Jul 9, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The bullpen has been pretty good.

Not that he really has anything to do with it.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 9, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why, because he's playing Vidro, Bloomquist and Cairo? And this throwaway comment?

How do we know these are entirely his decisions?

And the comment about having his original rotation means nothing. It’s a throwaway thought.

by Gomez on Jul 9, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why would the front office tell him to play Vidro? Or Bloomquist? Or Cairo?

Or Batista? All of these are guys who will be gone next year most likely and we are playing for nothing. It’s not like they have any trade value either. Certainly there is a possibility that he is being ordered to play these guys but it wouldn’t make any sense as far as the goals of the front office are concerned to go out of their way to play them, and there is no evidence that his lineups are being dictated for him.

I don’t buy that they’re intentionally trying to lose, Lincoln and Armstrong must still be concerned about their jobs and a strong finish would help them keep them even if it was bad for the future success of the club.

by OlSalty on Jul 9, 2008 11:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What the hell kind of trade value do three guys who can't OPS .600 have?

Okay, Willie is slightly above .600, but he’s slugging .248…..248!

What value does one of the worst pitchers in baseball in Miguel Batista have?

They have no trade value to inflate, NOBODY is that stupid. You’re not going to get better than a warm body for any of them if you even get that so what is the point? They are all farrrr below replacement level and every front office in baseball must realize that.

by OlSalty on Jul 9, 2008 11:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We know they don't have trade value, I admit that.

This season is toast, another three weeks of Vidro/Sexson/Tits/Cairo isn’t going to hurt. Showcase them, see if something materializes. If not, dump them after the deadline.

by BrianL on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 9, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's an idea

But “Riggleman totally did this himself because he’s an idiot” is also an idea.

by Gomez on Jul 9, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's the one who makes the lineups

It’s less of a stretch to hold him responsible for his own responsibilities than it is to say his bosses told him to do it without evidence. Do you really think the front office commanded him to bat Vidro cleanup 8 times? Putting him in the lineup is one thing, but telling Rigglem