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Evil Dr. Stat?

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Warning- this may put a bit of a damper on our collective love of the Rays. I saw it on FJM. Apparently they've been running a 3 part cartoon series where Joe Maddon and a few select players are "the defenders", a group of superheroes that protect baseball and all its dignity. Anyway these three episodes go into the battle of the defenders against their nemesis, the evil...

Dr. Stat.

Here's the cartoons

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Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 7, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PANTHER!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 7, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so I'm not really sure what the point of that was

did I miss something? I honestly was not aware that was illegal

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 7, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is weird

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 7, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, +1 is illegal

I penalize people for things now. Although I pretty much only penalize LFOJL for being fucking weird and Robert for encouraging LFOJL.

by Jeff on Jul 7, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is weird

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 7, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You aren't fooling me with your similar post less than 5 minutes after Jeff's.

Be more subtle in your ass-kissing.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 8, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, that is why I hardly ever respond to a comment of his.

I fear his stalking ability in an irrational way. He truly gets excitement out of it.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 8, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're fantastic

People should rec you for your stalking efforts

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stalking will be my new rec hunting

You guys shouldn’t have called me out on it

by Robert on Jul 8, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh...Renton isn't a small city

And I know where he works..maybe I should strike before he has the chance.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 8, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll see what else he digs up...I think I've been careful.

But I’m leaning towards a fireworks extravaganza at the counter he is behind.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 8, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I will take requests.

Want your name put on a sparkler shooting tank? Or little flying bees? Consider it done…he’ll know the wrath of us all.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 8, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It worries me how close I am to Robert

However, I am leaving for a while so he can’t stalk me.

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jul 8, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HELP HELP HELP...you got me sucked into this.

I was under his radar.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You boxed me once for encouraging him too

I demand more recognition for this! I also came up with the cerberus-Jeff idea

by seattlebruin on Jul 8, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's too bad

It’s actually pretty hilarious. Of course, I have forced myself to believe that, the way that Dr. Stat is presented, the Rays are arguing against stats like GW RBI, saves, day/night splits, and, you know, useless stats, as opposed to the stats that the Rays have used to build a winner.

by ubelmann on Jul 7, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably for the best.

It makes the hydro races look like an Oscar worthy film production.

by BrianL on Jul 8, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats something I see the Ms doing

even if our new GM does end up being more of a stats guy, marketing keeps preaching about chemistry and entertainment value

by CKel on Jul 7, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rays are no longer cool.

One Vision, One Purpose
Peace Through Power

by Goose on Jul 7, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The videos are pretty ridiculous and disheartening, but seriously, it has nothing to do with the organization.

This team was built by Andrew Friedman and Co. They obviously have a good scouting department, but they’re also young and smart and willing to look at everything - including advanced stats - when it comes to roster construction.

This is marketing. The team has a small fanbase, and sabermetric folks are not exactly the type of people they’re trying to sell tickets to. It made me shake my head, but it’s not to be taken too seriously.

by Teej on Jul 8, 2008 12:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Could someone re-post the link?

I missed it and I guess the link on the fanpost doesn’t work anymore.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 1:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What the hell are the Rays doing promoting that shit?

And I find it quite hypocritical considering those people are still obsessed with BA, R, RBI, SB, etc. Why keep track of anything if stats are worthless?

by Wilder. on Jul 8, 2008 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

80s music has to be worst than this.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or this classic

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh GOD DAMMIT

I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME!?

by BrianL on Jul 8, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit that 70s Aerosmith >>>>> 80s Aerosmith

But Aerosmith did put out some decent stuff in the 80s.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is good music

You are sorely missing out.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me that an awful lot of people are getting bent out of shape over this when they shouldn't be

The sabrestat community is assuming this was aimed at them. But the only stats Dr. Stat actually uses in the cartoons are “Who was the highest-paid umpire in 1888?” and “Did you know that every year, Major League Baseball teams buy 182 lbs of special mud from a farmer in Millsborough, Delaware?” These aren’t so much stats as “useless trivia,” which is how Joe Maddon describes Dr. Stat’s attacks in the cartoon. His name should probably have been Dr. Trivia or something like that, but come on, it’s a stupid cartoon they made for the kids who come to the park. It contains no overt attacks on any sabrestat or the blogging community.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes but he is Dr. Fucking Stat

and they are glorifying being willfully ignorant.

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willfully ignorant of what?

The highest paid umpire in 1888? Hell, I watched the cartoon, and I still can’t remember his name.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh... like say

learning is stupid

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They trash on scientific study.

Therefore, they are willfully ignorant of research.

by Wilder. on Jul 8, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they don't.

Nowhere in that cartoon is there any trashing of scientific study. There is a silly comic book villain who is attempting to stop fans from enjoying the game. At no point do they trash science or studying baseball.

I mean geez, I know for a fact Joe Maddon is a major computer analysis junkie—he used to do batted ball distribution and best coverage fielding positions for Scioscia back when he was with the Angels.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES

But it is heavily in implied that science and research need to be destroyed and ignorance is the way.

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or it's implying that distracting people during a baseball game

is a good way to get your satellite destroyed. Which is totally accurate.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"And so Dr. Stat and his reign of useless information has been stopped. Once again, baseball has been saved."

And you see no correlation between Dr. Stat and useless information?

Statistics is scientific research. If Dr. Stat is useless, then scientific research must be useless.

Don’t be an ignoramus.

by Wilder. on Jul 8, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the name Dr. Stat was probably not the best name chosen

Maybe, as said before, a name like Dr. Useless trivia might’ve been better. He wasn’t trashing sabermetrics or anything.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean that the MLB buys something hundreds of pounds of mud a year from a farmer in Delaware?

I don’t think most people have the word sabermetrics in their dictionary. heck, my web browser underlines it as a misspelled word.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics is putting a number on something and need not have anything to do with science.

Anyone can create a statistic. That doesn’t make it meaningful or important. Scientific Research looks for meaningful connections and verifiable hypotheses. This process does not include beaming useless information into people’s heads so that they can’t concentrate on the baseball game.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

it is very basic science

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics is a tool scientists use to prove their hypothesis

I have to agree that Statistics don’t necessarily equal science, but a tool that science uses.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics are just numbers

It’s how you use them that determines whether something is science or not.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics aren't just numbers.

It is information gathered together to determine the validity/trend/significance/etc of a hypothesis.

You make it seem like statistics are conjured out of thin air to prove a point.

Give me an example of a science and I will use your same logic to discount it.

by Wilder. on Jul 8, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just going to quote dictionary.com instead.

Statistic

“A numerical fact or datum, esp. one computed from a sample.”

In other words, they are numbers.

“I have 239 comments on this blog.” This is a statistic. It is not, by itself, scientific. It could be used scientifically, but science is not an intrinsic part of it.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And why do you think your 239 comments stat is not scientific?

Maybe because you there is no science or hypothesis behind it.

How about we create a poll about how ignorant you are? Now that would be produce a scientific statistic.

by Wilder. on Jul 8, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it wouldn't.

It would produce a poll which represents an opinion, and while a it would be a statistic, it would not scientifically have proven my ignorance.

In the same manner, a poll which asks “Does his inability to hit in the clutch make A-Rod a bad baseball player?” to which 70% of respondents replied “Yes,” (a statistic) does not prove that A-Rod is a bad baseball player, nor does it even prove he isn’t able to hit in the clutch. You could, however, use this statistic to prove that 70% of the people who took the poll are morons, provided you also provided statistics proving that A-Rod is not a bad baseball player.

Do you see the difference?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because I am too lazy to find anything better,

read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

“Statistics is a mathematical science pertaining to the collection, analysis, interpretation or explanation, and presentation of data.”

by Wilder. on Jul 8, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your missing the point

I am thinking you are offended at that fact that since the villain in the Rays Saturday Morning Cartoons is named Dr. Stat, you think they are ripping on using statistics in general. The one guy doesn’t once refer to sabermetrics or moneyball or any statistics other than who’s the highest paid umpire in 1888 and the MLB buys 500 lbs. of mud from a farmer in Delaware. The name might’ve not been the best chosen name, but I am not at all offended by this cartoon because you have to look beyond the name and see that is it just to entertain kids, not to parody statisticians. And besides, the Rays are one of the smart teams that use statistics to make them better.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 8, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not offended.

But I choose not be ignorant, too.

by Wilder. on Jul 8, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a school of mathematical science called Statistics.

However the school of science called Statistics and the word “statistic” do not mean the same thing.

If you were referring to the school of science in your original post above, then I apologize. My response should have been that Dr. Stat need not be a reference to the school of Statistics, and is more likely a reference to the fact that he uses statistics as his means of attack.

In the same way, a supervillain named Dr. Psych who enjoys tricking gullible people would not be an attack on Psychology as a school of science.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I want Tampa to win the World Series

so Andrew Friedman can jump out during the obligatory Joe Buck on-field interview dressed like Dr Stat and yell, “IT WAS ME, TAMPA!! IT WAS ME THE ENTIRE TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME!!!”

by Gomez on Jul 8, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have to admit

That would be awesome.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but you have to realize

that those who are critical of sabermetrics dismiss all our stats as “useless trivia.” There have been a number of articles from people at ESPN or whatever in which they portray sabermetricians as people living in “their mom’s basement” and spouting useless crap like what’s mentioned in the cartoon.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 8, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, it's a supervillain with a satellite and mind affecting ray-beams.

This was put together for chuckles. Yes, there has been a backlash by some sports media against this stuff, but come on—this was slapped together in a few minutes at some marketing department meeting that probably went like this:

“We need someone for The Defenders to fight. Ideas?”

“How about a guy who zaps people with useless trivia and distracts them from watching the game?”

“Brilliant! Meeting adjourned. I need coffee.”

Like everything for kids, it is dumbed down and fundamentally silly. Taking it this seriously is giving these guys way too much credit.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

he needs the beard though

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. There's a secret war on against the sabrestat guys and the most important people to convince

are whoever happens to be watching the board between innings in Tampa Bay.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hyperbole doesn't help your argument.

We never said there’s a “secret war” going on. We just said it seems like whoever made the cartoon doesn’t like sabermetrics and wanted to ridicule it a bit.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 8, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that's all that had been said,

I don’t think I’d still be here.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think it's a stupid cartoon. I'm not getting worked up about it.

You’re the one defending it with paragraphs at a time.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 8, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think I've written a lot

you should check out the Posnanski and FJM links.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like how in the Little Mermaid

how the good people weigh 80 pounds and the villain is pushing 4 bills. It sends a bad message.

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do

But at think point I’m just going for comedy callback.

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention that a majority of Disney movies

put pure American accents on the heroes and foreign accents on the bad characters.

by Matthew on Jul 8, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oddly enough

I’m writing a Top Ten list of animated feature films for another web site I frequent. This film is number 7 on my list.

by BrianL on Jul 8, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Iron Giant?

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 8, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the list

10) Ghost in the Shell
9) Beauty and the Beast (for technical achievement)
8) Toy Story
7) Aladdin
6) The Nightmare Before Christmas (God I didn’t want to put this on)
5) Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
4) Princess Mononoke
3) Fantasia
2) An American Tail
1) Spirited Away

Honorable mentions: The Lion King, Iron Giant, The Land Before Time, Snow White

by BrianL on Jul 8, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am shocked at the high ranking of An American Tail.

And Beauty and the Beast-when they released that in the iMax (I think)-wow. Amazing.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 8, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beauty and the Beast was a bit more run-of-the-mill writing wise, but was technologically astounding.

An American Tale was Don Bluth at his finest. Suberb writing, excellent music, and one of the better plots I’ve seen in an animated feature film.

This is all subjective, though.

by BrianL on Jul 8, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It deserves bonus points for this
McCanlies finished the script within two months, and was surprised once Bird convinced the studio not to use Townshend’s songs. Townshend did not care either way, quoting “Well, whatever, I got paid.”

by JI on Jul 8, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen Wall-E yet?

It’s gotta have a place on that list. It should bump Aladdin.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll notice most of these movies were released before 2000.

Wall-E needs a bit more time to sink in with me before I can evaluate where it should go.

by BrianL on Jul 8, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ratatouille is easily the most complete animated film ever made.

It goes beyond the realm of children’s movie and makes an important and much needed point statement about the evils of cultural elitism, without being anti-intellectual. And it does all this while being a movie about a rat that knows how to cook. It’s a damned near perfect movie.

Still, taste, subjectivity, etc…

by acblue on Jul 8, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ratatouille was great; Wall-E is better.

It’s the only film I’ve paid to see twice in two days since I saw the Empire Strikes Back three times in a row in junior high school. Wall-E does all the things Ratatouille does – substitute “destruction of the planet” for “cultural elitism” but it does it damn near wordlessly for the first 30 minutes, and then only sparingly from then on. The first 30 minutes are the best first half hour of a film I have seen in years.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still haven't seen Wall-E.

A friend of mine got to see the premiere at Pixar, and he hasn’t stopped talking about it since, so I am eagerly anticipating it.

by acblue on Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me, it's worth it.

If you had told me before I went that I would actually care about what happened to a robot that doesn’t speak except one word, I would have laughed. But within about two minutes, I was completely absorbed by him, and by the movie.

The best thing about it is that it avoids the easy animation trap of making a lot of throwaway pop-culture references to build a relationship with the main character – there are none, in fact. Instead, they develop the hell out of Wall-E and make it impossible not to like him or to care what happens. Unbelievably good.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes hype is justified.

Wall-E is is a far, far better film than Aladdin, just to name one on your list. It’s got a whole lot going for it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So they were lazy, and took the easy way out.

And the end result is that they produced a cartoon, designed to entertain children at a baseball game, that makes fun of the concepts which have led, in large part, to their success this year.

I agree that their intent was most likely harmless, but intent isn’t important in a case like this. Any criticism the team receives for these cartoons is warranted.

by acblue on Jul 8, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But that's just it

It doesn’t make fun of those concepts, or at least I don’t see how it does. It includes no references to them beyond the fact that the guys name is Dr. Stat. It includes no sabrestats or anything like that.

I mean really—if they’d wanted to make fun of the sabrestat stuff, why not just use WARP or VORP or something that most fans don’t know about in his questions?

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Shutting up.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

The Rays also do bingo nights with BP being the top sponsor and have BP pizza feeds at least once per season plus they have BP personalities at the Fanfest.

And the scoreboard shows OPS, which isn’t really a big time metric, but it’s better than simply BA/HR/RBI, right?

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Safeco's scoreboard shows OPS too

too bad the front office isn’t paying attention =(

by seattlebruin on Jul 8, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it shows that from time to time

But it also alternates with the pitcher’s ERA and stuff like that, so you really have to watch it to get the slash stats while a guy is batting.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 8, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to pipe in and say this must be a Tampa Bay thing, because

I have been watching Buccaneers cartoons for years as they are a division opponant of my football team. Some are funny and some are not.

by thewyrm on Jul 8, 2008 8:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

They are hit or miss. I remember one cartoon a couple years ago for an upcoming game against the Saints, either in ‘05 or ‘06, shortly after Hurricane Katrina in any event. The cartoon’s premise was that the Bucs were going to rock New Orleans “like a hurricane”. Suffice it to say, that didn’t go over well.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 8, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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