Evil Dr. Stat?
by CKel on Jul 7, 2008 6:32 PM PDT
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PrintWarning- this may put a bit of a damper on our collective love of the Rays. I saw it on FJM. Apparently they've been running a 3 part cartoon series where Joe Maddon and a few select players are "the defenders", a group of superheroes that protect baseball and all its dignity. Anyway these three episodes go into the battle of the defenders against their nemesis, the evil...
Dr. Stat.
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so I'm not really sure what the point of that was
did I miss something? I honestly was not aware that was illegal
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Yeah, +1 is illegal
I penalize people for things now. Although I pretty much only penalize LFOJL for being fucking weird and Robert for encouraging LFOJL.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 7, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I encourage LFOJL a lot too...Why does Robert get all the 'credit'?
I fucking hate you Mariners
Fair enough...I do appreciate your fondness of the Ronald Gremlin.
I was worried I’d never see it again because everyone hated it.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Jeff doesn't want to encourage your encouraging.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
To be sly I'm going to have to encourage encouraging.
...like mischief laundering
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because it rhymes doesn't make it so.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
When you post comments about how you plan to be sly?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
It's all part of a bigger plan
did you ever consider this is the reason why?
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
You did rhyme sly with sly
Which isn’t really that good
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't even talking to you.
And don’t curse me.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
You encourage him for things that are very wrong.
Robert’s are mostly funny.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
You aren't fooling me with your similar post less than 5 minutes after Jeff's.
Be more subtle in your ass-kissing.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I ass kiss. I don't stalk. I leave that to Robert.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
See, that is why I hardly ever respond to a comment of his.
I fear his stalking ability in an irrational way. He truly gets excitement out of it.
I fucking hate you Mariners
It freaks me out that you know this.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought you meant specific address.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
He only went by my username..which is misleading now..so hooray!
I fucking hate you Mariners
You're fantastic
People should rec you for your stalking efforts
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh...Renton isn't a small city
And I know where he works..maybe I should strike before he has the chance.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I'll see what else he digs up...I think I've been careful.
But I’m leaning towards a fireworks extravaganza at the counter he is behind.
I fucking hate you Mariners
You'll need more than bottlerockets, son.
And you won’t see this shit coming either…stealth
I fucking hate you Mariners
That'll be the first thing in flames
I fucking hate you Mariners
And I will take requests.
Want your name put on a sparkler shooting tank? Or little flying bees? Consider it done…he’ll know the wrath of us all.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Yup..I'm really concerned
I fucking hate you Mariners
By the way Robert, this is quite a useful link.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
It does creep me out that you're using the smiley I just discovered, though.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Whew. I thought you had some sort of crazy capture thing on my computer.
Not that this would surprise me, but I would think you’d use it on Jeff first.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
It worries me how close I am to Robert
However, I am leaving for a while so he can’t stalk me.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Jul 8, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
HELP HELP HELP...you got me sucked into this.
I was under his radar.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Oh dear God...like right now...cause I'm at work.
I fucking hate you Mariners
You boxed me once for encouraging him too
I demand more recognition for this! I also came up with the cerberus-Jeff idea
by seattlebruin on Jul 8, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This blog talks about me a lot when I'm away
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You haven't even seen the worst of it.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the first time I have had any interest in life after death--
Just to see what these fuckers say about me once I’m gone.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
That's too bad
It’s actually pretty hilarious. Of course, I have forced myself to believe that, the way that Dr. Stat is presented, the Rays are arguing against stats like GW RBI, saves, day/night splits, and, you know, useless stats, as opposed to the stats that the Rays have used to build a winner.
Probably for the best.
It makes the hydro races look like an Oscar worthy film production.
The views of the Marketing Dept. do not necessarily reflect those of the Front Office
is how I have to look at it
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
thats something I see the Ms doing
even if our new GM does end up being more of a stats guy, marketing keeps preaching about chemistry and entertainment value
The videos are pretty ridiculous and disheartening, but seriously, it has nothing to do with the organization.
This team was built by Andrew Friedman and Co. They obviously have a good scouting department, but they’re also young and smart and willing to look at everything - including advanced stats - when it comes to roster construction.
This is marketing. The team has a small fanbase, and sabermetric folks are not exactly the type of people they’re trying to sell tickets to. It made me shake my head, but it’s not to be taken too seriously.
Could someone re-post the link?
I missed it and I guess the link on the fanpost doesn’t work anymore.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
What the hell are the Rays doing promoting that shit?
And I find it quite hypocritical considering those people are still obsessed with BA, R, RBI, SB, etc. Why keep track of anything if stats are worthless?
Don't, don't you want me?
You know I can’t believe it when you say that you don’t need me.
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Rock Lobster was released in 1979
just sayin’.
A lot of really crappy bands ripped them off.
It’s not their fault.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 8, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I love 80s music.
The music videos are what scare me.
Oh GOD DAMMIT
I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME!?
The only good thing that came out of the 80s was the Aerosmith comeback.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
I'll admit that 70s Aerosmith >>>>> 80s Aerosmith
But Aerosmith did put out some decent stuff in the 80s.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
That's not the wrongness of the statement
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
They have boring cookie cutter songs
and Steven Tyler has a crappy voice.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
You realize this song was made long after the peak of their career.
Its not their best, but I don’t think its that bad. Just a little to poppy for me.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
It seems to me that an awful lot of people are getting bent out of shape over this when they shouldn't be
The sabrestat community is assuming this was aimed at them. But the only stats Dr. Stat actually uses in the cartoons are “Who was the highest-paid umpire in 1888?” and “Did you know that every year, Major League Baseball teams buy 182 lbs of special mud from a farmer in Millsborough, Delaware?” These aren’t so much stats as “useless trivia,” which is how Joe Maddon describes Dr. Stat’s attacks in the cartoon. His name should probably have been Dr. Trivia or something like that, but come on, it’s a stupid cartoon they made for the kids who come to the park. It contains no overt attacks on any sabrestat or the blogging community.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Yes but he is Dr. Fucking Stat
and they are glorifying being willfully ignorant.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Willfully ignorant of what?
The highest paid umpire in 1888? Hell, I watched the cartoon, and I still can’t remember his name.
~Till the Halo burns out...
No they don't.
Nowhere in that cartoon is there any trashing of scientific study. There is a silly comic book villain who is attempting to stop fans from enjoying the game. At no point do they trash science or studying baseball.
I mean geez, I know for a fact Joe Maddon is a major computer analysis junkie—he used to do batted ball distribution and best coverage fielding positions for Scioscia back when he was with the Angels.
~Till the Halo burns out...
YES
But it is heavily in implied that science and research need to be destroyed and ignorance is the way.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Or it's implying that distracting people during a baseball game
is a good way to get your satellite destroyed. Which is totally accurate.
~Till the Halo burns out...
"And so Dr. Stat and his reign of useless information has been stopped. Once again, baseball has been saved."
And you see no correlation between Dr. Stat and useless information?
Statistics is scientific research. If Dr. Stat is useless, then scientific research must be useless.
Don’t be an ignoramus.
I think the name Dr. Stat was probably not the best name chosen
Maybe, as said before, a name like Dr. Useless trivia might’ve been better. He wasn’t trashing sabermetrics or anything.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
Yes, but many people think this is what sabermetrics is.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean that the MLB buys something hundreds of pounds of mud a year from a farmer in Delaware?
I don’t think most people have the word sabermetrics in their dictionary. heck, my web browser underlines it as a misspelled word.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
No, but most fans "know" what Moneyball is.
To them, Moneyball is synonymous with sabermetrics.
Statistics is putting a number on something and need not have anything to do with science.
Anyone can create a statistic. That doesn’t make it meaningful or important. Scientific Research looks for meaningful connections and verifiable hypotheses. This process does not include beaming useless information into people’s heads so that they can’t concentrate on the baseball game.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Statistics is a tool scientists use to prove their hypothesis
I have to agree that Statistics don’t necessarily equal science, but a tool that science uses.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
Statistics are just numbers
It’s how you use them that determines whether something is science or not.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Statistics aren't just numbers.
It is information gathered together to determine the validity/trend/significance/etc of a hypothesis.
You make it seem like statistics are conjured out of thin air to prove a point.
Give me an example of a science and I will use your same logic to discount it.
I'm just going to quote dictionary.com instead.
“A numerical fact or datum, esp. one computed from a sample.”
In other words, they are numbers.
“I have 239 comments on this blog.” This is a statistic. It is not, by itself, scientific. It could be used scientifically, but science is not an intrinsic part of it.
~Till the Halo burns out...
And why do you think your 239 comments stat is not scientific?
Maybe because you there is no science or hypothesis behind it.
How about we create a poll about how ignorant you are? Now that would be produce a scientific statistic.
No, it wouldn't.
It would produce a poll which represents an opinion, and while a it would be a statistic, it would not scientifically have proven my ignorance.
In the same manner, a poll which asks “Does his inability to hit in the clutch make A-Rod a bad baseball player?” to which 70% of respondents replied “Yes,” (a statistic) does not prove that A-Rod is a bad baseball player, nor does it even prove he isn’t able to hit in the clutch. You could, however, use this statistic to prove that 70% of the people who took the poll are morons, provided you also provided statistics proving that A-Rod is not a bad baseball player.
Do you see the difference?
~Till the Halo burns out...
Because I am too lazy to find anything better,
read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics
“Statistics is a mathematical science pertaining to the collection, analysis, interpretation or explanation, and presentation of data.”
I think your missing the point
I am thinking you are offended at that fact that since the villain in the Rays Saturday Morning Cartoons is named Dr. Stat, you think they are ripping on using statistics in general. The one guy doesn’t once refer to sabermetrics or moneyball or any statistics other than who’s the highest paid umpire in 1888 and the MLB buys 500 lbs. of mud from a farmer in Delaware. The name might’ve not been the best chosen name, but I am not at all offended by this cartoon because you have to look beyond the name and see that is it just to entertain kids, not to parody statisticians. And besides, the Rays are one of the smart teams that use statistics to make them better.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
There is a school of mathematical science called Statistics.
However the school of science called Statistics and the word “statistic” do not mean the same thing.
If you were referring to the school of science in your original post above, then I apologize. My response should have been that Dr. Stat need not be a reference to the school of Statistics, and is more likely a reference to the fact that he uses statistics as his means of attack.
In the same way, a supervillain named Dr. Psych who enjoys tricking gullible people would not be an attack on Psychology as a school of science.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Semantically, you're correct.
Practically, you’re not.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 8, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the dumbest debate since the subthread about what is actually a sport.
by Matthew on Jul 8, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
NASCAR ain't a sport son, it's a lifestyle.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
All joking aside, WRC rocks.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
Hmm.... Maybe.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
I don't think so, but the fact that I'm arguing about a children's cartoon on a blog at 1:20 in the afternoon
has to be considered a point against me.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jul 8, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now I want Tampa to win the World Series
so Andrew Friedman can jump out during the obligatory Joe Buck on-field interview dressed like Dr Stat and yell, “IT WAS ME, TAMPA!! IT WAS ME THE ENTIRE TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME!!!”
by Gomez on Jul 8, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, but you have to realize
that those who are critical of sabermetrics dismiss all our stats as “useless trivia.” There have been a number of articles from people at ESPN or whatever in which they portray sabermetricians as people living in “their mom’s basement” and spouting useless crap like what’s mentioned in the cartoon.
the other angels fan
Dude, it's a supervillain with a satellite and mind affecting ray-beams.
This was put together for chuckles. Yes, there has been a backlash by some sports media against this stuff, but come on—this was slapped together in a few minutes at some marketing department meeting that probably went like this:
“We need someone for The Defenders to fight. Ideas?”
“How about a guy who zaps people with useless trivia and distracts them from watching the game?”
“Brilliant! Meeting adjourned. I need coffee.”
Like everything for kids, it is dumbed down and fundamentally silly. Taking it this seriously is giving these guys way too much credit.
~Till the Halo burns out...
I always look like such a happy tyrant
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 8, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I may be in favor of this inevitable dictamorph
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 8, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea why you used the gray images of them
But this wins anyway
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
See, these kinds of JeffShops are okay, I think.
Or as okay as they’re going to get.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 8, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Right. There's a secret war on against the sabrestat guys and the most important people to convince
are whoever happens to be watching the board between innings in Tampa Bay.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Hyperbole doesn't help your argument.
We never said there’s a “secret war” going on. We just said it seems like whoever made the cartoon doesn’t like sabermetrics and wanted to ridicule it a bit.
the other angels fan
Discouraging people from thinking more is always bad.
No matter how harmless it seems.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 8, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I just think it's a stupid cartoon. I'm not getting worked up about it.
You’re the one defending it with paragraphs at a time.
the other angels fan
If you think I've written a lot
you should check out the Posnanski and FJM links.
~Till the Halo burns out...
It's like how in the Little Mermaid
how the good people weigh 80 pounds and the villain is pushing 4 bills. It sends a bad message.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
This word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I do
But at think point I’m just going for comedy callback.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It frightens me when males take my smiley.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Drew it on with your eyebrow pencil.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
True, you could've actually drawn eyebrows instead.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Assume everything is sarcasm and work your way backwards.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Sarcasm?
I shower.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 8, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
You're worse than Robert.
And I hate loading that thread.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention that a majority of Disney movies
put pure American accents on the heroes and foreign accents on the bad characters.
Oddly enough
I’m writing a Top Ten list of animated feature films for another web site I frequent. This film is number 7 on my list.
What about Iron Giant?
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
Here's the list
10) Ghost in the Shell
9) Beauty and the Beast (for technical achievement)
8) Toy Story
7) Aladdin
6) The Nightmare Before Christmas (God I didn’t want to put this on)
5) Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
4) Princess Mononoke
3) Fantasia
2) An American Tail
1) Spirited Away
Honorable mentions: The Lion King, Iron Giant, The Land Before Time, Snow White
I am shocked at the high ranking of An American Tail.
And Beauty and the Beast-when they released that in the iMax (I think)-wow. Amazing.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 8, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Beauty and the Beast was a bit more run-of-the-mill writing wise, but was technologically astounding.
An American Tale was Don Bluth at his finest. Suberb writing, excellent music, and one of the better plots I’ve seen in an animated feature film.
This is all subjective, though.
It deserves bonus points for this
McCanlies finished the script within two months, and was surprised once Bird convinced the studio not to use Townshend’s songs. Townshend did not care either way, quoting “Well, whatever, I got paid.”
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen Wall-E yet?
It’s gotta have a place on that list. It should bump Aladdin.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You'll notice most of these movies were released before 2000.
Wall-E needs a bit more time to sink in with me before I can evaluate where it should go.
In all honesty, so am I.
That’s why Toy Story is the only true CGI film to make my list.
I’m longing for hand-drawn animated feature length films.
Ratatouille is easily the most complete animated film ever made.
It goes beyond the realm of children’s movie and makes an important and much needed point statement about the evils of cultural elitism, without being anti-intellectual. And it does all this while being a movie about a rat that knows how to cook. It’s a damned near perfect movie.
Still, taste, subjectivity, etc…
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 8, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ratatouille was great; Wall-E is better.
It’s the only film I’ve paid to see twice in two days since I saw the Empire Strikes Back three times in a row in junior high school. Wall-E does all the things Ratatouille does – substitute “destruction of the planet” for “cultural elitism” but it does it damn near wordlessly for the first 30 minutes, and then only sparingly from then on. The first 30 minutes are the best first half hour of a film I have seen in years.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit, I dropped a dash after "elitism".
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The world breathlessly awaits.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You could do review things you both like and dislike.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If you get pissed at the things you hate and gay for the things you like....
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This angle may work...
I shall need video editing software.
I still haven't seen Wall-E.
A friend of mine got to see the premiere at Pixar, and he hasn’t stopped talking about it since, so I am eagerly anticipating it.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm convinced I'm going to be disappointed.
The hype is unbearable.
Believe me, it's worth it.
If you had told me before I went that I would actually care about what happened to a robot that doesn’t speak except one word, I would have laughed. But within about two minutes, I was completely absorbed by him, and by the movie.
The best thing about it is that it avoids the easy animation trap of making a lot of throwaway pop-culture references to build a relationship with the main character – there are none, in fact. Instead, they develop the hell out of Wall-E and make it impossible not to like him or to care what happens. Unbelievably good.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes hype is justified.
Wall-E is is a far, far better film than Aladdin, just to name one on your list. It’s got a whole lot going for it.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jul 8, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea I don't think a peasant in Arabia would be that white.
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
So they were lazy, and took the easy way out.
And the end result is that they produced a cartoon, designed to entertain children at a baseball game, that makes fun of the concepts which have led, in large part, to their success this year.
I agree that their intent was most likely harmless, but intent isn’t important in a case like this. Any criticism the team receives for these cartoons is warranted.
Been there, done that.
It happens.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
But that's just it
It doesn’t make fun of those concepts, or at least I don’t see how it does. It includes no references to them beyond the fact that the guys name is Dr. Stat. It includes no sabrestats or anything like that.
I mean really—if they’d wanted to make fun of the sabrestat stuff, why not just use WARP or VORP or something that most fans don’t know about in his questions?
~Till the Halo burns out...
To be fair
The Rays also do bingo nights with BP being the top sponsor and have BP pizza feeds at least once per season plus they have BP personalities at the Fanfest.
And the scoreboard shows OPS, which isn’t really a big time metric, but it’s better than simply BA/HR/RBI, right?
Safeco's scoreboard shows OPS too
too bad the front office isn’t paying attention =(
The secondary scoreboard was regularly showing slash stats.
by JI on Jul 8, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it shows that from time to time
But it also alternates with the pitcher’s ERA and stuff like that, so you really have to watch it to get the slash stats while a guy is batting.
the other angels fan
It also shows K/9, BB/9, and WHIP for pitchers.
ZOMG progress111111
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 8, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wanted to pipe in and say this must be a Tampa Bay thing, because
I have been watching Buccaneers cartoons for years as they are a division opponant of my football team. Some are funny and some are not.
Agreed
They are hit or miss. I remember one cartoon a couple years ago for an upcoming game against the Saints, either in ‘05 or ‘06, shortly after Hurricane Katrina in any event. The cartoon’s premise was that the Bucs were going to rock New Orleans “like a hurricane”. Suffice it to say, that didn’t go over well.
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 8, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they took a cue from us...the people who name their sushi "Katrina" rolls and drink Hurricanes in the street.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 9, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like ethnic jokes.
Usually you can only make the jokes and/or laugh if you’re part of the group. LL is a pretty big exception.
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