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Rhodes Excommunicated

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Off he goes to Florida in exchange for 22 year old Gaby Hernandez, a moderate-ceiling right-handed starter who works with four pitches, most notably a low-90s fastball. Hernandez hasn't had the greatest statistical season I've ever seen, but being a young kid getting his first taste of AAA in the launchpad at Albuquerque, I'm willing to grant him a pass. He's got a fair bit of talent, and even if he can't make it as a back-of-the-rotation starter, he's got a pretty good chance of landing in a Major League bullpen a year or three down the road.

This is the sort of #6-10 organizational prospect I was hoping to get. To summarize, we just turned a spring training NRI retread into one of the better high-level arms in the system. A good way to start the day. Nice job, Lee. This is exactly what a bad team is supposed to do with veteran relievers for which it has minimal use.

I don't know what Cesar Jimenez is going to do with all this job security.

My goodness, the White Sox are stupid.

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I love it.

This is exactly what Lee should be doing right now.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Drinking helps.

Though sometimes it makes it worse too.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To alcohol!

The cause of and solution to all of life’s problems.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd bet that nothing more happens WRT the M's

This was it. We’ll try and push Washburn threw waivers next and trade to Yanks, but that won’t net us much in return.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on the DL

along with Fear. RRS is the only lefty on the 40-man, though now with a spot open they could re-add Jake Woods and bring him back up.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odds of callup to replace Rhodes in bullpen

Jered Wells 2-1
Jake Woods 3-1
Oscar Villarreal 5-1
Jorge Sosa 7-1
Sean White 25-1
Rick White 50-1

(excludes RRS, who will soon replace someone in the rotation)

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woods makes the most sense, and it's not close

unless they wanted to abandon the RRS-as-starter experiment, even though he’s doing well.
If they needed a guy who’s been through the wars, they could take Huber, though Huber isn’t good and is getting pounded into the ground down there.
I just don’t think they can go with only Cesar Jimenez from the left side. Ergo, probably not Wells/Sosa/Villarreal.

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who makes the most sense

is harder to bet on than who actually gets called up.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

Is there any explanation for bringing up a righty? Yeah yeah, the M’s management is stupid, got it.
But seriously, their ONLY LH reliever has pitched 15 innings. Do you really think they’re just going to keep it at that when they’ve got a lefty reliever with MLB experience and an open spot on the 40 man?
If so, why?

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not really bashing the org

Just guessing that they’d take the quick road and do less paperwork by bringing up a guy already on the 40-man. I was thinking about it, though, and they don’t really have a true long man in the ‘pen, so maybe Woods makes more sense there, even though he’d be replacing a short man.

I don’t really think it hurts to have only one lefty in the bullpen (for a few days, anyway) when you’re in last place. Jake Woods is kind of a known commodity at this point. Won’t surprise me at all if he gets the call; I mean, I put him just behind Jered Wells on the hastily-compiled list. The 40-man roster is the only reason for that.

I also forgot to add Luis Munoz tongue-in-cheekily.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever happened to Jake Woods

Was he determined to be AAAA fodder?

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please do not come back this time.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too.

At Spring Training workouts, he was shagging balls in the outfield in RF. He saw a couple of really young kids running around, sorta oblivious to the idea that they were around MLB players. Rhodes just walk over to the fence, and gave them some baseballs under the fence. He might act like a thug (especially that strut), but what he did was cool.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too many threads to follow...

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yanks are interested in Paul Byrd

Uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssssss

Forget getting Washburn off the books for next season if the Yanks go another way.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/yankees-eyein-2.html

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just going to laugh/cry when we STILL have Washburn next year

I already did my back-flip like USSMariner told me too. Now we’ll have Washburn, and my back will now hurt.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you imagine Rhodes will be only trade

A last place team with no real hope of succeeding next year (sorry Jeff, not convinced) will still have ~100 million payroll and no one moved at trade deadline. Really unbelievable.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But trading Washburn for a wet mop is a net plus

While not trading him at all is a net minus. If Lee misses his chance to get rid of that salary he has no excuses. Playing chicken runs the risk of someone taking it in the face.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The deal with getting Igawa included us getting Gardner...

There were two options the Yanks presented the Mariners if you believe the rumors:

1. Straight salary dump: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get lack of Washburn’s contract

2. Igawa/Gardner: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get Igawa and Gardner

I’d take #1 personally. But at least with #2 you get a top prospect back and Igawa’s contract is spread out.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd do the salary dump deal

if I could get a PTNBL conditional to how Washburn plays.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too

Hence why I’m going to be soo disappointed when the deadline passes and we still have the same M’s minus Rhodes :(

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That said,

I do like the shoot-for-the-moon effort that Lee’s been working, and you may still be able to get a salary dump deal tomorrow.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And there's always the chance that Igawa goes back to Japan anyway

or turns out to not completely suck

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's not someone to dismiss either

Especially with his play this year. Besides, I really like patient hitters. And patient hitters with a set of good eyes even better. I tend to believe Manny, one of the best hitters of all time, when he says the only thing that differentiates him is that, “I see the ball.”

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But who else is available who would be better than Washburn?

Or at least, Washburn’s perceived value right now. If they’re serious about making a run they need to improve their rotation and there are very few pitchers out there who would give them actual improvement.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A 3rd place Yankees team who is crippled by their pitching

Even mediocre helps them now, maybe just enough to snag the wild card.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're not crippled by their pitching.

Their pitching has been solid actually. Their defense has been meh and their offense is only slightly above average.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard to believe with that line-up

That’s what you get when you constantly trade for aging players who are in decline..

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Yanks

They’ve already offered to take Washburn as a straight salary dump!

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do the M's know this?

I’m not convinced.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jul 31, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually sourced to Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports
12:36 p.m.: Yankees pursuing Byrd?
The Yankees, frustrated by their attempts to land Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn, are “kicking around” the idea of adding Indians righty Paul Byrd, according to major-league sources.
As of 12:30 p.m. ET, the Yankees and Indians had not yet exchanged names, but a deal could come together quickly if the Yankees decided to pursue it.
The Indians likely would not seek much in return from Byrd, who also has drawn mild interest from the Rockies. For the Yankees, Byrd would be a potential upgrade over right-hander Darrell Rasner.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we don't talk about the trade rumors on deadline day,

what do we talk about? We know most of the rumors won’t happen, but at least give us the satisfaction of having something to talk about.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we talk about them,

then its going to come across as being taken seriously….. there’s no two ways around it, once you talk about something you give validity to it.

By the way, Rosenthal just said the Yanks are unlikely to land Byrd now, saying Cleveland’s asking price would likely be too high at this point. He’s a better bet to be moved during the waiver period as its unlikely he’d be claimed because of his salary.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Read it wrong

He said the Indians would not seek much in return for Byrd…. I read it as if he said they would seek too much in return for Byrd.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why does he have to call trades in advance?

He’s usually the first to know when an official deal goes down. He’s worth reading if you’re going to follow the deadline at all.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, so cite a few examples

If the evidence is irrefutable, you should be able to point it out.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What Matthew said.

He’s the first one I link in rumor diaries.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps the Yanks put this out there to scare Lee

It sure as hell scares me. I’d make the salary dump. Or if they really want Gardner, take Igawa and be done with it.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Taking Igawa wouldn't help the salary dump.

Washburn is still owed $13+ million over the next year (including the rest of this season). Igawa still has 13+ million over the next 3 years. Yeah it’s spread out, but we are not saving any cash for future roster construction.

by Wilder. on Jul 31, 2008 10:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yah, but perhaps Gardner is worth it?

He seems to be a patient hitter who can work a count and it isn’t like we have many of those on the team.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is anyone else as jazzed about the trade deadline stuff as I am?

I just love the chaos as teams frantically flip players. Besides, this looks to have been the biggest trade season in a couple of years, what with Sabathia, Harden, Griffey, and Teixera already having flipped and Bay and Ramirez and maybe Dunn likely also on the way.

By the way, I probably failed the Bar. Goddamn bar.

I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.

by esoteric on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tough luck man. Does anyone pass the bar the first time?

I love the trade deadline. I should take the day off from work next year. I love being obsessive.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll ask my friend Scott... who just took the bar here in WA

I don’t know if he got his results back yet, but he feels real good about his effort.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My buddy passed the Alaska Bar on his first try.

And Alaska law is almost entirely case created, meaning he had to research hundreds of court cases.

by thewyrm on Jul 31, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

90 minutes left..

I have a bad feeling that Lee is completely finished today.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What on earth could the Jays possibly offer us of interest for Raul

Adam Lind, Travis Snider? Not sure how they’d part with those guys. Wilk + pitching prospect for Raul?

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

draft picks?

would Ibanez stay in Canada?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he wants a raise he will.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 11:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They'd also get two high draft picks if Ibanez declines arbitration

If they pencil that in, perhaps they’d give up some of their young OF??

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This freaked me out.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Their rec threshhold is lower!

Comments go green at 2 recs!

That’s cheating!

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 31, 2008 12:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We couldn't get anything done at the deadline this year, sorry.

Maybe over the winter. We don’t think the prospects RR sends back would get through SBN waivers.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't suggest.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shucks.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This whole deadline seems like all talk and no happening

maybe that’s how it always works

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rays land Bay?

Rotoworld:

A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.
It’s a very good trade for the Rays if true. Brignac is one of the game’s top infield prospects, but the Rays were able avoid surrendering a second top-notch talent for a player they’d have under control at a very modest price through the end of 2009. If the Pirates trade Bay without getting an outfielder, they could call up Nyjer Morgan to help out. Andrew McCutchen is another possibility, but there’s little reason to think he’s ready

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT???

Manny isn’t going to get traded?!...NO WAY

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If there is enough time, it sounds conceivable that Raul goes to Toronto

They were in on Bay and with him going to Tampa, maybe they will get desperate to make a move and give in to the high demands? One can hope

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

Haha

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

Not cool then

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still funny.

Think of the heckling you could do if we got him on the M’s!

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only big leaguers I have ever met were Travis Lee and Jared Sandberg.

Travis Lee was an awesome guy and Jared Sandberg was kind of a douche, but mostly harmless.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I met Jamie Moyer and Dan Wilson at a little league camp once

unsurprisingly, they were really nice guys

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did go through anger management

I hear he is a kinder, gentler person now. He might even say sorry.

by Sec 108 on Jul 31, 2008 1:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally, I hope this lights a fire under the Yanks to improve

As the Rays have just really helped themselves. The Red Sox especially are in trouble now as they’ve helped themselves the least.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 12:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And where the hell did "White Girls" come from

seattlebruin has JItis as well apparently

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope, just JItis

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's contagious.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I blame my facebook wall

I felt fine until this morning!

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is how it's transmitted, yes...

This is what I get for being nice.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's OK, you're still cool

it could be worse, you could have had Robert Stalker Syndrome

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Them's fightin words!

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lind?

Holy Taco

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080731.WBbaseball20080731145820/WBStory/WBbaseball/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080731.WBbaseball20080731145820

With one hour left to the expiration of the non-waiver trade deadline, the Toronto Blue Jays and Seattle Mariners are in on-going talks on a trade that would move outfielder Raul Ibanez to the Blue Jays, according to multiple sources. One source with another Major League team believes the acquisition, if it were to happen, might open the doors for the Blue Jays to put together a deal involving Adam Lind.

Although, this makes it sound like Ibanez would give them room to move Lind somewhere else…

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess the Marlins want Stairs too

This is looking promising

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who had 12:35?

Wins the Trade Deadline pool.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 31, 2008 12:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posted by Jayson Stark
With an hour left until the trading deadline, two major deals are still alive - Jason Bay to the Rays and Raul Ibanez to the Blue Jays. Sources say Toronto has been officially eliminated from the Bay sweepstakes, and the Cubs are out of the Ibanez derby - a sign that the remaining clubs are zeroing in on one another. The Mets also have been linked to both hitters. But there has been no indication Thursday that they’ve made any progress on either.

Despite persistent reports that Tampa Bay has a deal for Adam Dunn waiting as a backup plan, a source that spoke with the Rays’ brass says that trade is dead.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If this is true (*if*)

that means there’s actually bidding going on? Or have the Cubs come to their senses?

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all major league players?

I wonder who it could have been. If it was anyone actually good, there’s no way we back out of that.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno?

Eckstein would have been hilarious.

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs