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Rhodes Excommunicated

Tiny by Jeff on in Good News

Off he goes to Florida in exchange for 22 year old Gaby Hernandez, a moderate-ceiling right-handed starter who works with four pitches, most notably a low-90s fastball. Hernandez hasn't had the greatest statistical season I've ever seen, but being a young kid getting his first taste of AAA in the launchpad at Albuquerque, I'm willing to grant him a pass. He's got a fair bit of talent, and even if he can't make it as a back-of-the-rotation starter, he's got a pretty good chance of landing in a Major League bullpen a year or three down the road.

This is the sort of #6-10 organizational prospect I was hoping to get. To summarize, we just turned a spring training NRI retread into one of the better high-level arms in the system. A good way to start the day. Nice job, Lee. This is exactly what a bad team is supposed to do with veteran relievers for which it has minimal use.

I don't know what Cesar Jimenez is going to do with all this job security.

My goodness, the White Sox are stupid.

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I love it.

This is exactly what Lee should be doing right now.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The day is going to get worse.

Enjoy the peak people.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:17 AM PDT   0 recs

I don't like needless unfunny pessimism.

We have enough of it already in reality.

I qualify “we’re going to trade Felix for Livan Hernandez” comments in the same bin as “Lets demand Hanley Ramirez for Arthur Rhodes”. Painfully unfunny and incredibly overplayed.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Drinking helps.

Though sometimes it makes it worse too.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To alcohol!

The cause of and solution to all of life’s problems.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One of my fav

Simpson’s quotes

by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2008 3:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd bet that nothing more happens WRT the M's

This was it. We’ll try and push Washburn threw waivers next and trade to Yanks, but that won’t net us much in return.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

on the DL

along with Fear. RRS is the only lefty on the 40-man, though now with a spot open they could re-add Jake Woods and bring him back up.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Odds of callup to replace Rhodes in bullpen

Jered Wells 2-1
Jake Woods 3-1
Oscar Villarreal 5-1
Jorge Sosa 7-1
Sean White 25-1
Rick White 50-1

(excludes RRS, who will soon replace someone in the rotation)

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So I'll put you down for

$5 on Jorge Sosa on the under and $3 on Sean White against the spread.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure you don't want to lay a 2-bet parlay with that?

I think the going odds on a two-spot are 12 to 5.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True with a margin of 2/3 %

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Woods makes the most sense, and it's not close

unless they wanted to abandon the RRS-as-starter experiment, even though he’s doing well.
If they needed a guy who’s been through the wars, they could take Huber, though Huber isn’t good and is getting pounded into the ground down there.
I just don’t think they can go with only Cesar Jimenez from the left side. Ergo, probably not Wells/Sosa/Villarreal.

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 10:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who makes the most sense

is harder to bet on than who actually gets called up.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

Is there any explanation for bringing up a righty? Yeah yeah, the M’s management is stupid, got it.
But seriously, their ONLY LH reliever has pitched 15 innings. Do you really think they’re just going to keep it at that when they’ve got a lefty reliever with MLB experience and an open spot on the 40 man?
If so, why?

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not really bashing the org

Just guessing that they’d take the quick road and do less paperwork by bringing up a guy already on the 40-man. I was thinking about it, though, and they don’t really have a true long man in the ‘pen, so maybe Woods makes more sense there, even though he’d be replacing a short man.

I don’t really think it hurts to have only one lefty in the bullpen (for a few days, anyway) when you’re in last place. Jake Woods is kind of a known commodity at this point. Won’t surprise me at all if he gets the call; I mean, I put him just behind Jered Wells on the hastily-compiled list. The 40-man roster is the only reason for that.

I also forgot to add Luis Munoz tongue-in-cheekily.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Whatever happened to Jake Woods

Was he determined to be AAAA fodder?

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please do not come back this time.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Me too.

At Spring Training workouts, he was shagging balls in the outfield in RF. He saw a couple of really young kids running around, sorta oblivious to the idea that they were around MLB players. Rhodes just walk over to the fence, and gave them some baseballs under the fence. He might act like a thug (especially that strut), but what he did was cool.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good work lee

now about washburn…

by IceStormV1 on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM PDT   0 recs

Too many threads to follow...

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT   0 recs

Yes.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yanks are interested in Paul Byrd

Uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssssss

Forget getting Washburn off the books for next season if the Yanks go another way.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/yankees-eyein-2.html

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT   0 recs

I'm just going to laugh/cry when we STILL have Washburn next year

I already did my back-flip like USSMariner told me too. Now we’ll have Washburn, and my back will now hurt.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can you imagine Rhodes will be only trade

A last place team with no real hope of succeeding next year (sorry Jeff, not convinced) will still have ~100 million payroll and no one moved at trade deadline. Really unbelievable.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In a market where most teams are wise to the folly of selling off prospects to rent overpriced veterans, however...

I can easily see the M’s and a lot of teams still stuck with expensive trade chips.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But trading Washburn for a wet mop is a net plus

While not trading him at all is a net minus. If Lee misses his chance to get rid of that salary he has no excuses. Playing chicken runs the risk of someone taking it in the face.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The deal with getting Igawa included us getting Gardner...

There were two options the Yanks presented the Mariners if you believe the rumors:

1. Straight salary dump: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get lack of Washburn’s contract

2. Igawa/Gardner: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get Igawa and Gardner

I’d take #1 personally. But at least with #2 you get a top prospect back and Igawa’s contract is spread out.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd do the salary dump deal

if I could get a PTNBL conditional to how Washburn plays.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

Hence why I’m going to be soo disappointed when the deadline passes and we still have the same M’s minus Rhodes :(

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That said,

I do like the shoot-for-the-moon effort that Lee’s been working, and you may still be able to get a salary dump deal tomorrow.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And there's always the chance that Igawa goes back to Japan anyway

or turns out to not completely suck

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's not someone to dismiss either

Especially with his play this year. Besides, I really like patient hitters. And patient hitters with a set of good eyes even better. I tend to believe Manny, one of the best hitters of all time, when he says the only thing that differentiates him is that, “I see the ball.”

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But who else is available who would be better than Washburn?

Or at least, Washburn’s perceived value right now. If they’re serious about making a run they need to improve their rotation and there are very few pitchers out there who would give them actual improvement.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A 3rd place Yankees team who is crippled by their pitching

Even mediocre helps them now, maybe just enough to snag the wild card.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They're not crippled by their pitching.

Their pitching has been solid actually. Their defense has been meh and their offense is only slightly above average.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hard to believe with that line-up

That’s what you get when you constantly trade for aging players who are in decline..

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Yanks

They’ve already offered to take Washburn as a straight salary dump!

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do the M's know this?

I’m not convinced.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jul 31, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...not buying it.

Byrd is terrible, he’s not an improvement over Rasner, he might actually be worse.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually sourced to Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports
12:36 p.m.: Yankees pursuing Byrd?
The Yankees, frustrated by their attempts to land Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn, are “kicking around” the idea of adding Indians righty Paul Byrd, according to major-league sources.
As of 12:30 p.m. ET, the Yankees and Indians had not yet exchanged names, but a deal could come together quickly if the Yankees decided to pursue it.
The Indians likely would not seek much in return from Byrd, who also has drawn mild interest from the Rockies. For the Yankees, Byrd would be a potential upgrade over right-hander Darrell Rasner.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we don't talk about the trade rumors on deadline day,

what do we talk about? We know most of the rumors won’t happen, but at least give us the satisfaction of having something to talk about.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Talk about them, sure

But to take them seriously?

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we talk about them,

then its going to come across as being taken seriously….. there’s no two ways around it, once you talk about something you give validity to it.

By the way, Rosenthal just said the Yanks are unlikely to land Byrd now, saying Cleveland’s asking price would likely be too high at this point. He’s a better bet to be moved during the waiver period as its unlikely he’d be claimed because of his salary.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Read it wrong

He said the Indians would not seek much in return for Byrd…. I read it as if he said they would seek too much in return for Byrd.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why does he have to call trades in advance?

He’s usually the first to know when an official deal goes down. He’s worth reading if you’re going to follow the deadline at all.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay, so cite a few examples

If the evidence is irrefutable, you should be able to point it out.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I really can't be bothered.

His archives are freely available though. Knock yourself out.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll do a study one of these days

But I can’t just buy into posted rumors from sources with a scattershot accuracy rate.