Rhodes Excommunicated
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
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PrintOff he goes to Florida in exchange for 22 year old Gaby Hernandez, a moderate-ceiling right-handed starter who works with four pitches, most notably a low-90s fastball. Hernandez hasn't had the greatest statistical season I've ever seen, but being a young kid getting his first taste of AAA in the launchpad at Albuquerque, I'm willing to grant him a pass. He's got a fair bit of talent, and even if he can't make it as a back-of-the-rotation starter, he's got a pretty good chance of landing in a Major League bullpen a year or three down the road.
This is the sort of #6-10 organizational prospect I was hoping to get. To summarize, we just turned a spring training NRI retread into one of the better high-level arms in the system. A good way to start the day. Nice job, Lee. This is exactly what a bad team is supposed to do with veteran relievers for which it has minimal use.
I don't know what Cesar Jimenez is going to do with all this job security.
My goodness, the White Sox are stupid.
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I love it.
This is exactly what Lee should be doing right now.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
The day is going to get worse.
Enjoy the peak people.
I don't like needless unfunny pessimism.
We have enough of it already in reality.
I qualify “we’re going to trade Felix for Livan Hernandez” comments in the same bin as “Lets demand Hanley Ramirez for Arthur Rhodes”. Painfully unfunny and incredibly overplayed.
JI, does the box still threaten you?
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Box the people who agree with you.
Sounds like a brilliant way to retain readership.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Drinking helps.
Though sometimes it makes it worse too.
To alcohol!
The cause of and solution to all of life’s problems.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
I'd bet that nothing more happens WRT the M's
This was it. We’ll try and push Washburn threw waivers next and trade to Yanks, but that won’t net us much in return.
on the DL
along with Fear. RRS is the only lefty on the 40-man, though now with a spot open they could re-add Jake Woods and bring him back up.
Odds of callup to replace Rhodes in bullpen
Jered Wells 2-1
Jake Woods 3-1
Oscar Villarreal 5-1
Jorge Sosa 7-1
Sean White 25-1
Rick White 50-1
(excludes RRS, who will soon replace someone in the rotation)
So I'll put you down for
$5 on Jorge Sosa on the under and $3 on Sean White against the spread.
Sure you don't want to lay a 2-bet parlay with that?
I think the going odds on a two-spot are 12 to 5.
True with a margin of 2/3 %
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Woods makes the most sense, and it's not close
unless they wanted to abandon the RRS-as-starter experiment, even though he’s doing well.
If they needed a guy who’s been through the wars, they could take Huber, though Huber isn’t good and is getting pounded into the ground down there.
I just don’t think they can go with only Cesar Jimenez from the left side. Ergo, probably not Wells/Sosa/Villarreal.
Who makes the most sense
is harder to bet on than who actually gets called up.
OK
Is there any explanation for bringing up a righty? Yeah yeah, the M’s management is stupid, got it.
But seriously, their ONLY LH reliever has pitched 15 innings. Do you really think they’re just going to keep it at that when they’ve got a lefty reliever with MLB experience and an open spot on the 40 man?
If so, why?
I'm not really bashing the org
Just guessing that they’d take the quick road and do less paperwork by bringing up a guy already on the 40-man. I was thinking about it, though, and they don’t really have a true long man in the ‘pen, so maybe Woods makes more sense there, even though he’d be replacing a short man.
I don’t really think it hurts to have only one lefty in the bullpen (for a few days, anyway) when you’re in last place. Jake Woods is kind of a known commodity at this point. Won’t surprise me at all if he gets the call; I mean, I put him just behind Jered Wells on the hastily-compiled list. The 40-man roster is the only reason for that.
I also forgot to add Luis Munoz tongue-in-cheekily.
I could imagine him being a line cook at some diner out in the middle of no where now.
JI/Robert '08!
Not any diner I would want to eat at.
I can see him joining a militia, though.
Nanana-na, Nanana-na, hey hey hey
Goooooodbyeeeeee
Please do not come back this time.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT reply actions
Me too.
At Spring Training workouts, he was shagging balls in the outfield in RF. He saw a couple of really young kids running around, sorta oblivious to the idea that they were around MLB players. Rhodes just walk over to the fence, and gave them some baseballs under the fence. He might act like a thug (especially that strut), but what he did was cool.
Go Fo Broke!
Too many threads to follow...
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
Yes.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Yanks are interested in Paul Byrd
Uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssssss
Forget getting Washburn off the books for next season if the Yanks go another way.
I'm just going to laugh/cry when we STILL have Washburn next year
I already did my back-flip like USSMariner told me too. Now we’ll have Washburn, and my back will now hurt.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Can you imagine Rhodes will be only trade
A last place team with no real hope of succeeding next year (sorry Jeff, not convinced) will still have ~100 million payroll and no one moved at trade deadline. Really unbelievable.
In a market where most teams are wise to the folly of selling off prospects to rent overpriced veterans, however...
I can easily see the M’s and a lot of teams still stuck with expensive trade chips.
But trading Washburn for a wet mop is a net plus
While not trading him at all is a net minus. If Lee misses his chance to get rid of that salary he has no excuses. Playing chicken runs the risk of someone taking it in the face.
And to be honest if all we're getting is Kei f-ing Igawa back, I'd rather just keep J-Rod
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The deal with getting Igawa included us getting Gardner...
There were two options the Yanks presented the Mariners if you believe the rumors:
1. Straight salary dump: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get lack of Washburn’s contract
2. Igawa/Gardner: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get Igawa and Gardner
I’d take #1 personally. But at least with #2 you get a top prospect back and Igawa’s contract is spread out.
I'd do the salary dump deal
if I could get a PTNBL conditional to how Washburn plays.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too
Hence why I’m going to be soo disappointed when the deadline passes and we still have the same M’s minus Rhodes :(
That said,
I do like the shoot-for-the-moon effort that Lee’s been working, and you may still be able to get a salary dump deal tomorrow.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
And there's always the chance that Igawa goes back to Japan anyway
or turns out to not completely suck
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
He's not someone to dismiss either
Especially with his play this year. Besides, I really like patient hitters. And patient hitters with a set of good eyes even better. I tend to believe Manny, one of the best hitters of all time, when he says the only thing that differentiates him is that, “I see the ball.”
Reed has had multiple shots at a Major League lineup
Gardner has not. That’s a big difference in my book.
But who else is available who would be better than Washburn?
Or at least, Washburn’s perceived value right now. If they’re serious about making a run they need to improve their rotation and there are very few pitchers out there who would give them actual improvement.
A 3rd place Yankees team who is crippled by their pitching
Even mediocre helps them now, maybe just enough to snag the wild card.
They're not crippled by their pitching.
Their pitching has been solid actually. Their defense has been meh and their offense is only slightly above average.
Well, they seem to think they're crippled by their pitching
Thus the interest in Washburn.
Hard to believe with that line-up
That’s what you get when you constantly trade for aging players who are in decline..
Yeah...not buying it.
Byrd is terrible, he’s not an improvement over Rasner, he might actually be worse.
Actually sourced to Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports
12:36 p.m.: Yankees pursuing Byrd?
The Yankees, frustrated by their attempts to land Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn, are “kicking around” the idea of adding Indians righty Paul Byrd, according to major-league sources.
As of 12:30 p.m. ET, the Yankees and Indians had not yet exchanged names, but a deal could come together quickly if the Yankees decided to pursue it.
The Indians likely would not seek much in return from Byrd, who also has drawn mild interest from the Rockies. For the Yankees, Byrd would be a potential upgrade over right-hander Darrell Rasner.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB
If we don't talk about the trade rumors on deadline day,
what do we talk about? We know most of the rumors won’t happen, but at least give us the satisfaction of having something to talk about.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
If we talk about them,
then its going to come across as being taken seriously….. there’s no two ways around it, once you talk about something you give validity to it.
By the way, Rosenthal just said the Yanks are unlikely to land Byrd now, saying Cleveland’s asking price would likely be too high at this point. He’s a better bet to be moved during the waiver period as its unlikely he’d be claimed because of his salary.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Read it wrong
He said the Indians would not seek much in return for Byrd…. I read it as if he said they would seek too much in return for Byrd.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Responding to a trade rumor by stating a belief that your team is screwed indicates one takes it seriously
(Not you specifically but others)
Rosenthal's about as good as it gets as far as the deadline is concerned
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Why does he have to call trades in advance?
He’s usually the first to know when an official deal goes down. He’s worth reading if you’re going to follow the deadline at all.
I really can't be bothered.
His archives are freely available though. Knock yourself out.
I'll do a study one of these days
But I can’t just buy into posted rumors from sources with a scattershot accuracy rate.
Nobody's buying into them with complete faith.
It’s just something to talk about.
Take all of them with a grain of salt
All rumors are white noise until they officially come to pass.
Clearly no one has told you yet that if it's posted on the internet, it MUST BE TRUE!
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps the Yanks put this out there to scare Lee
It sure as hell scares me. I’d make the salary dump. Or if they really want Gardner, take Igawa and be done with it.
Taking Igawa wouldn't help the salary dump.
Washburn is still owed $13+ million over the next year (including the rest of this season). Igawa still has 13+ million over the next 3 years. Yeah it’s spread out, but we are not saving any cash for future roster construction.
Yah, but perhaps Gardner is worth it?
He seems to be a patient hitter who can work a count and it isn’t like we have many of those on the team.
Is anyone else as jazzed about the trade deadline stuff as I am?
I just love the chaos as teams frantically flip players. Besides, this looks to have been the biggest trade season in a couple of years, what with Sabathia, Harden, Griffey, and Teixera already having flipped and Bay and Ramirez and maybe Dunn likely also on the way.
By the way, I probably failed the Bar. Goddamn bar.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
Tough luck man. Does anyone pass the bar the first time?
I love the trade deadline. I should take the day off from work next year. I love being obsessive.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll ask my friend Scott... who just took the bar here in WA
I don’t know if he got his results back yet, but he feels real good about his effort.
My boss is out of town in Chicago.. Guess who isn't going to work!
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
My boss just left for the day so I can stop all pretense of working and just follow this.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, for a little while longer anyway.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
My buddy passed the Alaska Bar on his first try.
And Alaska law is almost entirely case created, meaning he had to research hundreds of court cases.
ESPN Trade Deadline Blog is
saying that the Blue Jays are starting to take a look at Raul
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
Little late in the day I think
And no names are involved.
It's only late in the day on the East Coast...
errrr…damn.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Fucking east coast bias
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a first...
I have effing ATP tennis on ESPN2. WTF
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
90 minutes left..
I have a bad feeling that Lee is completely finished today.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
Unless the Blue Jays do something completely nuts
I’m starting to think the same…
What on earth could the Jays possibly offer us of interest for Raul
Adam Lind, Travis Snider? Not sure how they’d part with those guys. Wilk + pitching prospect for Raul?
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
draft picks?
would Ibanez stay in Canada?
Go Fo Broke!
If he wants a raise he will.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
They'd also get two high draft picks if Ibanez declines arbitration
If they pencil that in, perhaps they’d give up some of their young OF??
Remember though, sometimes deals finalize after the deadline, so just because it's exactly 1:00, doesn't mean we're done.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
The people at DRB are always bat shit crazy
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This freaked me out.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
We couldn't get anything done at the deadline this year, sorry.
Maybe over the winter. We don’t think the prospects RR sends back would get through SBN waivers.
Unfortunately, it was an LL'er that called him that.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Only in the sense that he's untradable.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You, on the other hand...
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't oppose a trade to DRB.
I’d miss you guys a lot, but at least I’d get to feel smart more often.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not that hard there.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
BIG FISH! BIG FISH!
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
See ya.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I already pointed out the lowered standards.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
How no one posted furries in response to this I don't understand.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Don't suggest.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Shucks.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This team even sucks at making interesting trade rumors
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left
This whole deadline seems like all talk and no happening
maybe that’s how it always works
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Rays land Bay?
Rotoworld:
A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.
It’s a very good trade for the Rays if true. Brignac is one of the game’s top infield prospects, but the Rays were able avoid surrendering a second top-notch talent for a player they’d have under control at a very modest price through the end of 2009. If the Pirates trade Bay without getting an outfielder, they could call up Nyjer Morgan to help out. Andrew McCutchen is another possibility, but there’s little reason to think he’s ready
First impression is to agree.
That would be a great deal for the Rays.
If there is enough time, it sounds conceivable that Raul goes to Toronto
They were in on Bay and with him going to Tampa, maybe they will get desperate to make a move and give in to the high demands? One can hope
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
Travis Snider would look really good in LF...
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Lefty bat AND a hometown guy? Cmon now..
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Still funny.
Think of the heckling you could do if we got him on the M’s!
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
The only big leaguers I have ever met were Travis Lee and Jared Sandberg.
Travis Lee was an awesome guy and Jared Sandberg was kind of a douche, but mostly harmless.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I met Jamie Moyer and Dan Wilson at a little league camp once
unsurprisingly, they were really nice guys
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He did go through anger management
I hear he is a kinder, gentler person now. He might even say sorry.
Personally, I hope this lights a fire under the Yanks to improve
As the Rays have just really helped themselves. The Red Sox especially are in trouble now as they’ve helped themselves the least.
Caroll is saying Jays real close on Ibanez.
Go Fo Broke!
Has Carroll been right once today? It seems like everything he says is off..
That being said – DO WANT AS WELL
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Replace today with ever
and the answer is still no.
BP thinks it's something that it isn't and baseball teams know this
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it's still the first thing Billy Beane reads in the morning.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
Billy Beane reads LL and steals our ideas
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
So Billy Beane only dates chicks who dislike "White Girls?"
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you date someone who liked the movie White Chicks?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I won't comment on this for fear of ruining whatever reputation I might have with you
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
And where the hell did "White Girls" come from
seattlebruin has JItis as well apparently
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Thought you were being politically correct.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, just JItis
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's contagious.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame my facebook wall
I felt fine until this morning!
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That is how it's transmitted, yes...
This is what I get for being nice.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It's OK, you're still cool
it could be worse, you could have had Robert Stalker Syndrome
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a better stalker than Robert will ever be.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Them's fightin words!
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
JItis makes it impossible to notice such things.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So okay there was a slight element of truth in that post
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
What a bitch
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems a strange test.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I just hope Rhodes isn't the only move we make.
Although that was a good one IMHO.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Seems Stark is the one talking this up
Go Fo Broke!
27 minutes left.. Comin down to the wire!
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
It's all over, isn't it.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope it's Lind and not lint.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Globe and Mail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080731.WBbaseball20080731145820/WBStory/WBbaseball/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080731.WBbaseball20080731145820
With one hour left to the expiration of the non-waiver trade deadline, the Toronto Blue Jays and Seattle Mariners are in on-going talks on a trade that would move outfielder Raul Ibanez to the Blue Jays, according to multiple sources. One source with another Major League team believes the acquisition, if it were to happen, might open the doors for the Blue Jays to put together a deal involving Adam Lind.
Although, this makes it sound like Ibanez would give them room to move Lind somewhere else…
Ibanez for Stairs
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Seattlebruin's note
this is a joke. This is a joke. I wouldn’t trade Jake Woods for Matt Stairs.
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I might do that.
Not a fan of Mystic Tan.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Seriously, if you're gonna keep mentioning this lillibrstab, I want to see some stats/scouting on this guy
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Who had 12:35?
Wins the Trade Deadline pool.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
Posted by Jayson Stark
With an hour left until the trading deadline, two major deals are still alive - Jason Bay to the Rays and Raul Ibanez to the Blue Jays. Sources say Toronto has been officially eliminated from the Bay sweepstakes, and the Cubs are out of the Ibanez derby - a sign that the remaining clubs are zeroing in on one another. The Mets also have been linked to both hitters. But there has been no indication Thursday that they’ve made any progress on either.Despite persistent reports that Tampa Bay has a deal for Adam Dunn waiting as a backup plan, a source that spoke with the Rays’ brass says that trade is dead.
If this is true (*if*)
that means there’s actually bidding going on? Or have the Cubs come to their senses?
Did he mention any names?
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Only said it was a 2-1 deal involving all major leaguers.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
2-1 our way or theirs?
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounded like we were getting two, but he didn't actually specify that.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Rotoworld speculates Purcey and League.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Which one is Purcey
League is the one that throws 99 mph right
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
There's 22 really white ones...
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
all major league players?
I wonder who it could have been. If it was anyone actually good, there’s no way we back out of that.
The Rays need Adam Dunn like I need a kick in the tentacles.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's right.
Excellent usage.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping you'd catch that NOLA.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
I know my John Cusack.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw that in the other post.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
He'd be a good DH
and would net them two picks.
I forgot about the draft picks.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
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I HATE THE TRADE DEADLINE
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
If it were two current major leaguers, I'm fine with passing on it.
Provided we offer arb, he declines, and we get the picks.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Is GTE allowed on trade deadline day?
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
I would think.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Good, 'cause I have some a-brewin'.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
So a terrible team with a 100-plus million dollar payroll
Trades nobody but Arthur Rhodes. W-T-F
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions
No floor.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember when you said that my tradition of birthday trade deadline disasters would stop?
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you at least get cake?
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not yet...
I got Stone’s 12th Anniversary Bitter Chocolate Oatmeal Stout though!
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than cake.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
much much better
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Almost as good.
You really need both though.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Ibanez is understandable, he'll net two compensation picks.
Washburn can still be dumped via waivers.
You assume he declines arbitration
And we are assuming Washburn clears waivers and the Yanks don’t just decide to let their young guys heal
Ibanez is 95% likely to decline arb
Washburn it doesn’t matter if he clears wiavers or not.
So he won't accept
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither do I
checks and balances
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ehh?
Say he clears and the Yanks have decided to pass? That matters.
No guarantees
It is entirely possible that Washburn and Raul are both on ‘09 roster.
That has nothing to do with Washburn actually clearing waivers
and everything to do with the Yankees deciding they don’t want him.
Those are different things.
Trades for the sake of trades are no smarter than big signings for the sake of big signings
They just couldn’t come to terms on suitable deals. A lot of teams looking to trade couldn’t. It happens every year.
Rotoworld says Bay -> TB deal is not happening.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
Gamons says the Red Sox are taking one last shot wither sending him to LA or FLA
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
They shouldn't accept that it's done base on a blurb from rotoworld
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
I heard Hellickson was the hang up.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If Hellickson was the hang up then the Rays were right not to back down. If it was Brignac, that was a mistake.
I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.
I would love to buy low on Brignac....
In the context of a pennant run, and if it stops a deal for someone like Bay, eh, maybe.
But I think Brignac could be a damn good player…
Brignac is a good prospect, but the Rays have some depth at SS.
Bay helps them a LOT.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
True
but the Rays owe it to themselves to get a lot of value for Brignac.
Brignac’s value right now isn’t terribly high, so I can see them waiting a while. Again, if that’s what stopped this deal, then yeah, I take the point. I just want the M’s to buy low on the guy… wish we’d have swapped Ibanez for Niemann/Brignac….
Trade deadlines are stupid
I fucking hate you Mariners
You're silly...JeffClown
I fucking hate you Mariners
Cause I'm stupid.
I fucking hate you Mariners
At least you're coming to terms with it.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That's it. All trades have to be in to the office by now.
Looks like no more big trades went through.
The Rhodes deal was fantastic.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I expected him to kept or dealt for broken down junk.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, but failing to move the other pieces that could have been moved
in my opinion, depreciate the fantastic-ness of the Rhodes deal.
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Quality yes, fantastic no
Fantastic would have been like Jeremy Hermida for Rhodes
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
The Rhodes deal was good and he didn't fuck the team up with any other deals
I’d say he did okay. There are many, many more variables to making a trade than meets the eye, and other teams have wants, needs and demands themselves… so you can’t just say he failed just because no deals were made. There may not have been a worthwhile deal to be made aside from the Rhodes deal.
Dumping Washburn's salary is worthwhile.
But they can still do that going through waivers.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
And...we're done.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply actions
Our only hope for getting rid of Washburn is waivers now.
So much for seeing Hyphen and Morrow as starters next year.
I'm not sure why you ever had hope for that
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I like to think now that Kenji started that rumor of Washburn to the Yanks
I fucking hate you Mariners
When was the last time we actually made a big deadline deal?
Or even a noticable one at all? Mabry for Al Martin??
Goddamn it!
This is a good strategy considering the Kingdome was 99% concrete.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Butch Huskey and David Segui
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And Fassero!
unless we actually paid someone to take him. Which would still be a good deal.
by Karma Police on Jul 31, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn. Here's hoping something's pending we haven't heard about yet.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
You know, ESPNEWS...
Brett fucking Favre chartered that plane like hours and hours ago.
IT IS NO LONGER BREAKING NEWS IT NEVER WAS SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
The Trade Deadline sucks when nothing happens
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
At least bad things didn't happen to the Mariners.
Gotta count that as a victory.
the other angels fan
Other than handcuffing ourselves to overpriced players for next year.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Not completely handcuffed yet but we definitely overplayed our hand
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
True, we're not 100% stuck yet.
But we should have jumped on some of these offers.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Here's my GTE:
How the fuck can an old overpriced team, that isn’t anywhere close to contention only make ONE (pretty minor) move at the deadline?
You gotta be shitting me.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
That was a fairly small amount of GTE.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a fairly mellow person.
But this sucks. I was at least hoping for a couple of moves. And this pretty much screws poor RRS unless Washburn leaves through waivers.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
The same reason..
...that we’re an old, over priced team that isn’t anywhere close to contention.
See front office and organization’s skills (or lack thereof…)
He lost my vote.
Although the Rhodes move was a pretty good one.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Don't count him out.
Having extensive experience in working for this management team, he probably knows JUST what to say to butter them up. “No, really, I’ll work on a one year deal… and we’re not that far from making this work, I’ll bring back Junior and we’ll have great veteran chemistry and be in contention.”
by eponymous_coward on Jul 31, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The fact that we couldn't move a team loaded with high-priced gritty veterans
when we are this far out of contention is really a terrible indictment.
Boston Globe says Manny is traded.
I fucking hate you Mariners
I', starting to think Coletti is Sabean-level dumb.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He may be dumb but at least he ain't no goddamn nerd
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
And myself as well, apparently.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You caught it too.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the deal, per Heyman.
Manny -> LA
Bay -> Boston
4 Minor Leaguers, unnamed -> Pitt
by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB
Updated 4:28 p.m.: Manny traded to Dodgers
Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.
The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.
the other angels fan
spoke rashly
It’s not as big a haul as I first thought.
It doesn't seem like the Pirates got anyone with a real high ceiling.
I know they need a lot of cheap, averagish players at all levels. It looks like Huntington is trying to get depth. Maybe the real high ceiling guys weren’t available.
Yeah, this is a bit odd
given what Bay was supposed to be commanding from the Rays. I guess Niemann isn’t really high ceiling either, but… Craig Hansen?
Didn't they have LaRoche before??
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Adam LaRoche, not Andy.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a sad day for baseball now that one team has cornered the market on LaRoches :(
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ad. LaRoche An. LaRoche and what do you get?
The Pirates!
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Dodgers outfield is fucking retarded now
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Well maybe Manny can show Andruw how to not suck at hitting.
by houseofprime on Jul 31, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Or maybe Andruw can show Manny how get visibly fatter and then tell people it's not being in bad shape that's your problem
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I could do that for $16M/yr
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
what the fuck
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Lord almighty; put DRB on mass suicide watch.
Bay to the Red Sox?
`
“The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.” per Rosenthal
Details of Manny -> Dodgers and Bay -> Red Sox
Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Brandon Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.
The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB
I think Boston really helped themselves here
They get out from under Manny and get a nice replacement in Bay. And it cost them mostly money.
How do they get out from under Manny?
They’re paying his 08 salary and could always have declined his options.
this trade means that the gap between the sox and yanks is a little smaller
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
The Sox aren't any worse.
They might actually be better.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Similar hitter, better defense
I’d say they got better.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Bay really a similar hitter to Manny?
Manny must have slipped more than I noticed. Or Bay is better than I think he is.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
PNC is a tough place to hit
Bay contact is a favorable one.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Bay's not quite as good offensivley, but his defense more than makes up for it.
And he’s signed through next year.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I've heard the same thing but when you're replacing Manny all you need to be is not castrophic in the field.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
JItis
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
catastrophic
Better?
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Comparison
Manny 2008: .299/.398/.529
Manny Career: .312/.409/.590
Bay 2008: .282/.375/.519
Bay Career: .281/.375/.515
Bay sucked last year but he plays in a pretty severe pitcher’s park and Manny plays in Fenway. I think this is a clear upgrade for the Sox as long as Bay doesn’t go all 2007 on them
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Bay has definitely bounced back this year.
He’s going to be 30, but it’s looking like 07 was an outlier and he’ll be a productive hitter.
Don't forget NL to AL swap.
Manny’s clearly a better hitter than Bay. He was ~20 runs more valuable in each of 06 and 07 and though they’ve been pretty similar to date (though again, Manny’s better), you have to factor in league adjustment.
The Sox got better for 2008, but not in any significant way.
They blocked him from going to Tampa.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And they got better for this year and next so
A+
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like if they got even 1 run better and get a LF that can play for a few years with a smaller contract it's still an upgrade
Maybe not huge but any upgrade is one a GM should be trying to make.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course, they also had to pick up Manny's 08 salary and dole out two prospects
in order to accomplish that upgrade.
Doesn't the NL to AL swap affect pitchers more?
I’d say the difference depends entirely on defense considering they’ve been worth pretty much the same on offense this year. Anybody who’s watched Bay: would you say he’s -15 < x < -5 on defense?
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, obviously. On the other hand so far this year Manny's BA has been luckier than Bay's
Manny’s K% is the highest it’s been since 2001 while Jason Bay has a K% ~4% below his career average. (I’m not sure if any of these are valid points)
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like for someone smarter than me to confirm this
but it seems like the Red Sox did decently, the Pirates did well and the Dodgers got hosed
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
They just got worse for the low low cost of prospects.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
How the hell has no one managed to pry Andre Ethier, Matt Kemp, James Loney, Chad Billingsley or Clayton Kershaw away from Coletti??
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Or Russell Martin or Jonathan Broxton, for that matter
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
oh well..better playing it safe and waiting for the new gm then making a mistake we'll regret
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
by seatownsports on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Not quite fail...
...but not too great, either.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
No reason...
..why they couldn’t sneak Washburnout through waivers with that price tag. Hold the throwing-up-a-little-bit-in-your-own-mouth for another few weeks.
David Ortiz > God
by Brian Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the thing on that, though.
Washburn isn’t good. If he regresses (and it’s only a matter of time) he doesn’t look as tempting to the Yankees. They could have gotten rid if him and his salary already. I’m not saying the front office is stupid for pursuing this strategy, but I’m not a fan of the thought process that went into it.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter.
They could have been offering a free breakfast at the Grand Lux Cafe during the Vegas winter meetings, and the correct response would have been “As long as you pay his salary, we’ll take it. Make sure the eggs are over easy.”
by eponymous_coward on Jul 31, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
So how much of an epic disaster will Griffey be in CF?
Though the White Sox gave up pretty much nothing according to Sheehan.
Like Raul in center but slightly less bad.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I assume since I wasn't told I was wrong that this is an accurate guess.
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Junior's going to play CF for them?
Oh shit.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Pirates did great on the Bay trade
To go along with what a previous poster said, here’s hoping that our next GM will be able to fleece Coletti this winter.
Washburn’s gone in August anyway. A prospect for Rhodes + Washburn being gone = C+.
I'm never counting my chickens early again.
Those eggs just keep hatching doom.
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not at all
Not for the reasons he believes, though. The problems are more fundamental than, The M’s didn’t make enough deals boo.
I like Gammons less and less.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Gammons is senile
What a ridiculous assertion. The entire baseball landscape will be different in 2011 and 2012, just like how it has changed since 04 and 05.
Never listen to anyone who works for ESPN.
You know what's the same about 04 and 08... :(
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't want to bring that part up
But that’s what we get for refusing to take part in any sort of rebuilding effort.
I like John Clayton.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve Philips also typically has valuable insight...
but yeah, for the most part, talking heads are just “talking heads” and don’t do any real analysis at all…
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget Sando
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I like a lot of people that work for ESPN.
It’s their programming I have a problem with.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
John Kruk ruins everything he does
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I dislike a lot of people that work for ESPN, too.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Skip Bayless is at the top of my hate list.
by houseofprime on Jul 31, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
God that guy is insufferable.
FanShots are underrated.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 31, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He was atop mine for a while, but now I just don't care anymore. He's become humorous to me.
He’s like a kid arguing something he doesn’t care about just to be a dick. It’s like your annoying little cousin or something. I find him harmless.
But that may be a case of me just getting tired of being angry and giving up.
Skip Bayless is truly stupid
and truly stupid people who think they’re brilliant deserve all the scorn given to them. I don’t find him argumentative for the sake of being argumentative – I find him argumentative because he’s an idiot
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm argumentative because I'm drunk, usually.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Yes, but this is a good reason to argue
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially if you won't give me more beer.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
I'm no longer convinced that he takes himself seriously.
1st and Ten is on sometimes when I’m getting ready for work, and when I see his asshole-ish smile after saying something, I’m pretty sure he’s just doing it for a paycheck.
I want to punch Jarrod Washburn in the face
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
What did he do to your sister?
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
I think I've heard this before.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 31, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like Manny had to agree to decline arbitration.
Is it just me, or is that gaming the system right out in the open? I know it happens, but I find it odd that it’s a part of the trade agreement.
I'm a little surprised the MLPA would let that happen.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
It's a tit-tat
for Dodgers agreeing to decline options.
So he's guaranteed to be an FA next year then.
Dodgers=hosed.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Wait, they would still get the draft picks if he left though, so maybe not.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
This might actually make it better for the Dodgers - they draft well
and now there’s no way Coletti somehow picks up his $20M option
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
They're guaranteed to get the picks though. Because Manny has to decline arbitration when they offer it to him
In exchange for declining his options.
At least that’s how I understand it, but I’m a little confused myself.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, they'll get two picks back and get Manny for free this year.
but yeah, that’s unlikely to replace LaRoche and I don’t know if Manny makes them any better.
Blake Dewitt is full of grit and hustle.
by houseofprime on Jul 31, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Blake DeWitt actually any good?
I thought he was supposed to be at least ~decent
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
And thus answers my Blake DeWitt question
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's just struggling
remember they brought him straight from AA as a 21 year old.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd argue it makes them considerably worse given that you'll now have to run Manny out there in LF every day
and can’t hide him at DH every once in a while, plus no Monster to help disguise how terrible of a fielder he is
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy God....
9/8 – 9/10 woooooooooooooooooo
The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man,
I would fly to SD just to see that (if I could afford it).
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Stop trying to read Jeff,
you know how hard that is for you. (j/k)
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Oh god this is going to be awesome
LF Manny
CF Jones
RF Pierre
and then you can flip to Chicago and see
LF Quentin
CF Griffey
RF Dye
These outfields will likely happen multiple times the rest the year. Comic gold.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Jones and Pierre aren't HORRIBLE.
Although Pierre has no arm.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Not sure what you mean - looks like he has two arms here
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by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That was before the horrible blender accident.
Damn margaritas.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
I don't think Jones is going to be playing much anymore
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't think so?
It would be the smart move, but with that contract and knowing Coletti and Torre, I can’t see them benching him for too many games.
He's like their Carlos Silva
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe even worse.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
You could replace Carlos Silva with so many other players on our team and it would still make sense
Romanes eunt domus
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not do the same with Jones?
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Well that was a great way to spend $36 million
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't the just put Manny in right?
Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.
by JI on Jul 31, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are they holding it down?
Did gravity reverse while I was at lunch?
No...
in an attempt to reduce the use of petroleum-based products like plastics and such in their desks, ESPN now boasts furniture made entirely of helium.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Won't work for Kruk.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
Kruk helped in the effort
because they let him eat all the old furniture. The problem is that now they have a carbon-emissions problem of almost unimaginable magnitude.
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by pdb on Jul 31, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would explain why my office looks funny.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
You guys
are making the humor-part of my brain hurt.
David Ortiz > God
by Brian Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
In any case..
Phillips threw his vote for “worst dealer” to the Red Sox. I find that pretty ridiculous… relievers are replaceable.
David Ortiz > God
by Brian Sullivan on Jul 31, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
yea that'd be dissappointing, would this rotation be realistic next year?
felix-bedard-dickey-rrs-morrow?
"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K
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