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Rhodes Excommunicated

Tiny by Jeff on in Good News Comment 568 comments

Off he goes to Florida in exchange for 22 year old Gaby Hernandez, a moderate-ceiling right-handed starter who works with four pitches, most notably a low-90s fastball. Hernandez hasn't had the greatest statistical season I've ever seen, but being a young kid getting his first taste of AAA in the launchpad at Albuquerque, I'm willing to grant him a pass. He's got a fair bit of talent, and even if he can't make it as a back-of-the-rotation starter, he's got a pretty good chance of landing in a Major League bullpen a year or three down the road.

This is the sort of #6-10 organizational prospect I was hoping to get. To summarize, we just turned a spring training NRI retread into one of the better high-level arms in the system. A good way to start the day. Nice job, Lee. This is exactly what a bad team is supposed to do with veteran relievers for which it has minimal use.

I don't know what Cesar Jimenez is going to do with all this job security.

My goodness, the White Sox are stupid.

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I love it.

This is exactly what Lee should be doing right now.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drinking helps.

Though sometimes it makes it worse too.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To alcohol!

The cause of and solution to all of life’s problems.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd bet that nothing more happens WRT the M's

This was it. We’ll try and push Washburn threw waivers next and trade to Yanks, but that won’t net us much in return.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the DL

along with Fear. RRS is the only lefty on the 40-man, though now with a spot open they could re-add Jake Woods and bring him back up.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Odds of callup to replace Rhodes in bullpen

Jered Wells 2-1
Jake Woods 3-1
Oscar Villarreal 5-1
Jorge Sosa 7-1
Sean White 25-1
Rick White 50-1

(excludes RRS, who will soon replace someone in the rotation)

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I'll put you down for

$5 on Jorge Sosa on the under and $3 on Sean White against the spread.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure you don't want to lay a 2-bet parlay with that?

I think the going odds on a two-spot are 12 to 5.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woods makes the most sense, and it's not close

unless they wanted to abandon the RRS-as-starter experiment, even though he’s doing well.
If they needed a guy who’s been through the wars, they could take Huber, though Huber isn’t good and is getting pounded into the ground down there.
I just don’t think they can go with only Cesar Jimenez from the left side. Ergo, probably not Wells/Sosa/Villarreal.

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who makes the most sense

is harder to bet on than who actually gets called up.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Is there any explanation for bringing up a righty? Yeah yeah, the M’s management is stupid, got it.
But seriously, their ONLY LH reliever has pitched 15 innings. Do you really think they’re just going to keep it at that when they’ve got a lefty reliever with MLB experience and an open spot on the 40 man?
If so, why?

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really bashing the org

Just guessing that they’d take the quick road and do less paperwork by bringing up a guy already on the 40-man. I was thinking about it, though, and they don’t really have a true long man in the ‘pen, so maybe Woods makes more sense there, even though he’d be replacing a short man.

I don’t really think it hurts to have only one lefty in the bullpen (for a few days, anyway) when you’re in last place. Jake Woods is kind of a known commodity at this point. Won’t surprise me at all if he gets the call; I mean, I put him just behind Jered Wells on the hastily-compiled list. The 40-man roster is the only reason for that.

I also forgot to add Luis Munoz tongue-in-cheekily.

by busplunger on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever happened to Jake Woods

Was he determined to be AAAA fodder?

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please do not come back this time.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

At Spring Training workouts, he was shagging balls in the outfield in RF. He saw a couple of really young kids running around, sorta oblivious to the idea that they were around MLB players. Rhodes just walk over to the fence, and gave them some baseballs under the fence. He might act like a thug (especially that strut), but what he did was cool.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good work lee

now about washburn…

by IceStormV1 on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Too many threads to follow...

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yanks are interested in Paul Byrd

Uhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssssss

Forget getting Washburn off the books for next season if the Yanks go another way.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/yankees-eyein-2.html

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm just going to laugh/cry when we STILL have Washburn next year

I already did my back-flip like USSMariner told me too. Now we’ll have Washburn, and my back will now hurt.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine Rhodes will be only trade

A last place team with no real hope of succeeding next year (sorry Jeff, not convinced) will still have ~100 million payroll and no one moved at trade deadline. Really unbelievable.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a market where most teams are wise to the folly of selling off prospects to rent overpriced veterans, however...

I can easily see the M’s and a lot of teams still stuck with expensive trade chips.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But trading Washburn for a wet mop is a net plus

While not trading him at all is a net minus. If Lee misses his chance to get rid of that salary he has no excuses. Playing chicken runs the risk of someone taking it in the face.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The deal with getting Igawa included us getting Gardner...

There were two options the Yanks presented the Mariners if you believe the rumors:

1. Straight salary dump: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get lack of Washburn’s contract

2. Igawa/Gardner: Yanks get Washburn, M’s get Igawa and Gardner

I’d take #1 personally. But at least with #2 you get a top prospect back and Igawa’s contract is spread out.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd do the salary dump deal

if I could get a PTNBL conditional to how Washburn plays.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

Hence why I’m going to be soo disappointed when the deadline passes and we still have the same M’s minus Rhodes :(

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That said,

I do like the shoot-for-the-moon effort that Lee’s been working, and you may still be able to get a salary dump deal tomorrow.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And there's always the chance that Igawa goes back to Japan anyway

or turns out to not completely suck

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not someone to dismiss either

Especially with his play this year. Besides, I really like patient hitters. And patient hitters with a set of good eyes even better. I tend to believe Manny, one of the best hitters of all time, when he says the only thing that differentiates him is that, “I see the ball.”

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But who else is available who would be better than Washburn?

Or at least, Washburn’s perceived value right now. If they’re serious about making a run they need to improve their rotation and there are very few pitchers out there who would give them actual improvement.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A 3rd place Yankees team who is crippled by their pitching

Even mediocre helps them now, maybe just enough to snag the wild card.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're not crippled by their pitching.

Their pitching has been solid actually. Their defense has been meh and their offense is only slightly above average.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to believe with that line-up

That’s what you get when you constantly trade for aging players who are in decline..

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Yanks

They’ve already offered to take Washburn as a straight salary dump!

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do the M's know this?

I’m not convinced.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jul 31, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...not buying it.

Byrd is terrible, he’s not an improvement over Rasner, he might actually be worse.

by OlSalty on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually sourced to Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports
12:36 p.m.: Yankees pursuing Byrd?
The Yankees, frustrated by their attempts to land Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn, are “kicking around” the idea of adding Indians righty Paul Byrd, according to major-league sources.
As of 12:30 p.m. ET, the Yankees and Indians had not yet exchanged names, but a deal could come together quickly if the Yankees decided to pursue it.
The Indians likely would not seek much in return from Byrd, who also has drawn mild interest from the Rockies. For the Yankees, Byrd would be a potential upgrade over right-hander Darrell Rasner.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we don't talk about the trade rumors on deadline day,

what do we talk about? We know most of the rumors won’t happen, but at least give us the satisfaction of having something to talk about.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talk about them, sure

But to take them seriously?

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we talk about them,

then its going to come across as being taken seriously….. there’s no two ways around it, once you talk about something you give validity to it.

By the way, Rosenthal just said the Yanks are unlikely to land Byrd now, saying Cleveland’s asking price would likely be too high at this point. He’s a better bet to be moved during the waiver period as its unlikely he’d be claimed because of his salary.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read it wrong

He said the Indians would not seek much in return for Byrd…. I read it as if he said they would seek too much in return for Byrd.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does he have to call trades in advance?

He’s usually the first to know when an official deal goes down. He’s worth reading if you’re going to follow the deadline at all.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so cite a few examples

If the evidence is irrefutable, you should be able to point it out.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really can't be bothered.

His archives are freely available though. Knock yourself out.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll do a study one of these days

But I can’t just buy into posted rumors from sources with a scattershot accuracy rate.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumors are rumors

and should be taken as just that.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Matthew said.

He’s the first one I link in rumor diaries.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps the Yanks put this out there to scare Lee

It sure as hell scares me. I’d make the salary dump. Or if they really want Gardner, take Igawa and be done with it.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking Igawa wouldn't help the salary dump.

Washburn is still owed $13+ million over the next year (including the rest of this season). Igawa still has 13+ million over the next 3 years. Yeah it’s spread out, but we are not saving any cash for future roster construction.

by Wilder. on Jul 31, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah, but perhaps Gardner is worth it?

He seems to be a patient hitter who can work a count and it isn’t like we have many of those on the team.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else as jazzed about the trade deadline stuff as I am?

I just love the chaos as teams frantically flip players. Besides, this looks to have been the biggest trade season in a couple of years, what with Sabathia, Harden, Griffey, and Teixera already having flipped and Bay and Ramirez and maybe Dunn likely also on the way.

By the way, I probably failed the Bar. Goddamn bar.

I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.

by esoteric on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough luck man. Does anyone pass the bar the first time?

I love the trade deadline. I should take the day off from work next year. I love being obsessive.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll ask my friend Scott... who just took the bar here in WA

I don’t know if he got his results back yet, but he feels real good about his effort.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My buddy passed the Alaska Bar on his first try.

And Alaska law is almost entirely case created, meaning he had to research hundreds of court cases.

by thewyrm on Jul 31, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

90 minutes left..

I have a bad feeling that Lee is completely finished today.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What on earth could the Jays possibly offer us of interest for Raul

Adam Lind, Travis Snider? Not sure how they’d part with those guys. Wilk + pitching prospect for Raul?

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129H - 16 BB - 56 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

draft picks?

would Ibanez stay in Canada?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he wants a raise he will.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'd also get two high draft picks if Ibanez declines arbitration

If they pencil that in, perhaps they’d give up some of their young OF??

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This freaked me out.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their rec threshhold is lower!

Comments go green at 2 recs!

That’s cheating!

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 31, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 rec at RR

I wanna sign there!

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We couldn't get anything done at the deadline this year, sorry.

Maybe over the winter. We don’t think the prospects RR sends back would get through SBN waivers.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, it was an LL'er that called him that.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truth.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You, on the other hand...

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't oppose a trade to DRB.

I’d miss you guys a lot, but at least I’d get to feel smart more often.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that hard there.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BIG FISH! BIG FISH!

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See ya.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't suggest.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shucks.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This whole deadline seems like all talk and no happening

maybe that’s how it always works

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rays land Bay?

Rotoworld:

A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.
It’s a very good trade for the Rays if true. Brignac is one of the game’s top infield prospects, but the Rays were able avoid surrendering a second top-notch talent for a player they’d have under control at a very modest price through the end of 2009. If the Pirates trade Bay without getting an outfielder, they could call up Nyjer Morgan to help out. Andrew McCutchen is another possibility, but there’s little reason to think he’s ready

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

First impression is to agree.

That would be a great deal for the Rays.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT???

Manny isn’t going to get traded?!...NO WAY

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If there is enough time, it sounds conceivable that Raul goes to Toronto

They were in on Bay and with him going to Tampa, maybe they will get desperate to make a move and give in to the high demands? One can hope

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Haha

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Not cool then

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still funny.

Think of the heckling you could do if we got him on the M’s!

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only big leaguers I have ever met were Travis Lee and Jared Sandberg.

Travis Lee was an awesome guy and Jared Sandberg was kind of a douche, but mostly harmless.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I met Jamie Moyer and Dan Wilson at a little league camp once

unsurprisingly, they were really nice guys

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did go through anger management

I hear he is a kinder, gentler person now. He might even say sorry.

by Sec 108 on Jul 31, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I hope this lights a fire under the Yanks to improve

As the Rays have just really helped themselves. The Red Sox especially are in trouble now as they’ve helped themselves the least.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Replace today with ever

and the answer is still no.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And where the hell did "White Girls" come from

seattlebruin has JItis as well apparently

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought you were being politically correct.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, just JItis

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's contagious.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame my facebook wall

I felt fine until this morning!

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is how it's transmitted, yes...

This is what I get for being nice.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's OK, you're still cool

it could be worse, you could have had Robert Stalker Syndrome

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a better stalker than Robert will ever be.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Them's fightin words!

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He used "chicks" earlier in the same sentence.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jul 31, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JItis makes it impossible to notice such things.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all over, isn't it.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be:

tick.tick.tick.tick… BOOM!!!

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope it's Lind and not lint.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lind?

Holy Taco

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080731.WBbaseball20080731145820/WBStory/WBbaseball/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080731.WBbaseball20080731145820

With one hour left to the expiration of the non-waiver trade deadline, the Toronto Blue Jays and Seattle Mariners are in on-going talks on a trade that would move outfielder Raul Ibanez to the Blue Jays, according to multiple sources. One source with another Major League team believes the acquisition, if it were to happen, might open the doors for the Blue Jays to put together a deal involving Adam Lind.

Although, this makes it sound like Ibanez would give them room to move Lind somewhere else…

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the Marlins want Stairs too

This is looking promising

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ibanez for Stairs

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why???

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha no

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattlebruin's note

this is a joke. This is a joke. I wouldn’t trade Jake Woods for Matt Stairs.

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might do that.

Not a fan of Mystic Tan.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...USSM is dead.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who had 12:35?

Wins the Trade Deadline pool.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 31, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Posted by Jayson Stark
With an hour left until the trading deadline, two major deals are still alive - Jason Bay to the Rays and Raul Ibanez to the Blue Jays. Sources say Toronto has been officially eliminated from the Bay sweepstakes, and the Cubs are out of the Ibanez derby - a sign that the remaining clubs are zeroing in on one another. The Mets also have been linked to both hitters. But there has been no indication Thursday that they’ve made any progress on either.

Despite persistent reports that Tampa Bay has a deal for Adam Dunn waiting as a backup plan, a source that spoke with the Rays’ brass says that trade is dead.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If this is true (*if*)

that means there’s actually bidding going on? Or have the Cubs come to their senses?

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all major league players?

I wonder who it could have been. If it was anyone actually good, there’s no way we back out of that.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno?

Eckstein would have been hilarious.

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right.

Excellent usage.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping you'd catch that NOLA.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know my John Cusack.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that in the other post.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'd be a good DH

and would net them two picks.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about the draft picks.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No floor.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you at least get cake?

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not yet...

I got Stone’s 12th Anniversary Bitter Chocolate Oatmeal Stout though!

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than cake.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than cake.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

much much better

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wierd.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost as good.

You really need both though.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You assume he declines arbitration

And we are assuming Washburn clears waivers and the Yanks don’t just decide to let their young guys heal

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ibanez is 95% likely to decline arb

Washburn it doesn’t matter if he clears wiavers or not.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Churchill thinks he'd accept.

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he won't accept

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither do I

checks and balances

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh?

Say he clears and the Yanks have decided to pass? That matters.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That has nothing to do with Washburn actually clearing waivers

and everything to do with the Yankees deciding they don’t want him.

Those are different things.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trades for the sake of trades are no smarter than big signings for the sake of big signings

They just couldn’t come to terms on suitable deals. A lot of teams looking to trade couldn’t. It happens every year.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey trade official

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

*either

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to buy low on Brignac....

In the context of a pennant run, and if it stops a deal for someone like Bay, eh, maybe.
But I think Brignac could be a damn good player…

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but the Rays owe it to themselves to get a lot of value for Brignac.

Brignac’s value right now isn’t terribly high, so I can see them waiting a while. Again, if that’s what stopped this deal, then yeah, I take the point. I just want the M’s to buy low on the guy… wish we’d have swapped Ibanez for Niemann/Brignac….

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're silly...JeffClown

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cause I'm stupid.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least you're coming to terms with it.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's that

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He did ok.

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rhodes deal was good and he didn't fuck the team up with any other deals

I’d say he did okay. There are many, many more variables to making a trade than meets the eye, and other teams have wants, needs and demands themselves… so you can’t just say he failed just because no deals were made. There may not have been a worthwhile deal to be made aside from the Rhodes deal.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumping Washburn's salary is worthwhile.

But they can still do that going through waivers.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...we're done.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You know, ESPNEWS...

Brett fucking Favre chartered that plane like hours and hours ago.

IT IS NO LONGER BREAKING NEWS IT NEVER WAS SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

by Karma Police on Jul 31, 2008 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's my GTE:

How the fuck can an old overpriced team, that isn’t anywhere close to contention only make ONE (pretty minor) move at the deadline?

You gotta be shitting me.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was a fairly small amount of GTE.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a fairly mellow person.

But this sucks. I was at least hoping for a couple of moves. And this pretty much screws poor RRS unless Washburn leaves through waivers.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same reason..

...that we’re an old, over priced team that isn’t anywhere close to contention.

See front office and organization’s skills (or lack thereof…)

by rtang on Jul 31, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Lee

You’re not GM come 2009.

by katal on Jul 31, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He lost my vote.

Although the Rhodes move was a pretty good one.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't count him out.

Having extensive experience in working for this management team, he probably knows JUST what to say to butter them up. “No, really, I’ll work on a one year deal… and we’re not that far from making this work, I’ll bring back Junior and we’ll have great veteran chemistry and be in contention.”

by eponymous_coward on Jul 31, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that we couldn't move a team loaded with high-priced gritty veterans

when we are this far out of contention is really a terrible indictment.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's the deal, per Heyman.

Manny -> LA
Bay -> Boston
4 Minor Leaguers, unnamed -> Pitt

by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB

Updated 4:28 p.m.: Manny traded to Dodgers

Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.

Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.

The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 31, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

spoke rashly

It’s not as big a haul as I first thought.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't seem like the Pirates got anyone with a real high ceiling.

I know they need a lot of cheap, averagish players at all levels. It looks like Huntington is trying to get depth. Maybe the real high ceiling guys weren’t available.

by Jed MC on Jul 31, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, this is a bit odd

given what Bay was supposed to be commanding from the Rays. I guess Niemann isn’t really high ceiling either, but… Craig Hansen?

by marc w on Jul 31, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what the fuck

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

`

“The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.” per Rosenthal

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Details of Manny -> Dodgers and Bay -> Red Sox
Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Brandon Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.
The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8397286/Latest-news-and-rumors-from-around-MLB

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Boston really helped themselves here

They get out from under Manny and get a nice replacement in Bay. And it cost them mostly money.

by manyoso on Jul 31, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note:

That is Brandon Moss, not Damian.

David Ortiz > God

by brick Royl on Jul 31, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this trade means that the gap between the sox and yanks is a little smaller

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jul 31, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Sox aren't any worse.

They might actually be better.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Factoring in defense, they may have just improved.

by Teej on Jul 31, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Similar hitter, better defense

I’d say they got better.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Bay really a similar hitter to Manny?

Manny must have slipped more than I noticed. Or Bay is better than I think he is.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PNC is a tough place to hit

Bay contact is a favorable one.

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bay's not quite as good offensivley, but his defense more than makes up for it.

And he’s signed through next year.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JItis

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

catastrophic

Better?

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparison

Manny 2008: .299/.398/.529
Manny Career: .312/.409/.590

Bay 2008: .282/.375/.519
Bay Career: .281/.375/.515

Bay sucked last year but he plays in a pretty severe pitcher’s park and Manny plays in Fenway. I think this is a clear upgrade for the Sox as long as Bay doesn’t go all 2007 on them

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bay has definitely bounced back this year.

He’s going to be 30, but it’s looking like 07 was an outlier and he’ll be a productive hitter.

by Teej on Jul 31, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget NL to AL swap.

Manny’s clearly a better hitter than Bay. He was ~20 runs more valuable in each of 06 and 07 and though they’ve been pretty similar to date (though again, Manny’s better), you have to factor in league adjustment.

The Sox got better for 2008, but not in any significant way.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like if they got even 1 run better and get a LF that can play for a few years with a smaller contract it's still an upgrade

Maybe not huge but any upgrade is one a GM should be trying to make.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't the NL to AL swap affect pitchers more?

I’d say the difference depends entirely on defense considering they’ve been worth pretty much the same on offense this year. Anybody who’s watched Bay: would you say he’s -15 < x < -5 on defense?

Romanes eunt domus

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, obviously. On the other hand so far this year Manny's BA has been luckier than Bay's

Manny’s K% is the highest it’s been since 2001 while Jason Bay has a K% ~4% below his career average. (I’m not sure if any of these are valid points)

Romanes eunt domus

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 31, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh well..better playing it safe and waiting for the new gm then making a mistake we'll regret

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite fail...

...but not too great, either.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No reason...

..why they couldn’t sneak Washburnout through waivers with that price tag. Hold the throwing-up-a-little-bit-in-your-own-mouth for another few weeks.

David Ortiz > God

by brick Royl on Jul 31, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the thing on that, though.

Washburn isn’t good. If he regresses (and it’s only a matter of time) he doesn’t look as tempting to the Yankees. They could have gotten rid if him and his salary already. I’m not saying the front office is stupid for pursuing this strategy, but I’m not a fan of the thought process that went into it.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know what other teams were offering/demanding

Unless we assume rumors are absolutely true.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter.

They could have been offering a free breakfast at the Grand Lux Cafe during the Vegas winter meetings, and the correct response would have been “As long as you pay his salary, we’ll take it. Make sure the eggs are over easy.”

by eponymous_coward on Jul 31, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Jeff is correct

We can still dump Jarrod via waiver trade.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pirates did great on the Bay trade

To go along with what a previous poster said, here’s hoping that our next GM will be able to fleece Coletti this winter.

Washburn’s gone in August anyway. A prospect for Rhodes + Washburn being gone = C+.

by katal on Jul 31, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Truth.

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all

Not for the reasons he believes, though. The problems are more fundamental than, The M’s didn’t make enough deals boo.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gammons is senile

What a ridiculous assertion. The entire baseball landscape will be different in 2011 and 2012, just like how it has changed since 04 and 05.

Never listen to anyone who works for ESPN.

by katal on Jul 31, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what's the same about 04 and 08... :(

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny trade rumors every 4 seconds?

although I guess they came true this year.

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't want to bring that part up

But that’s what we get for refusing to take part in any sort of rebuilding effort.

by katal on Jul 31, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like John Clayton.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Philips also typically has valuable insight...

but yeah, for the most part, talking heads are just “talking heads” and don’t do any real analysis at all…

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Sando

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I like a lot of people that work for ESPN.

It’s their programming I have a problem with.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was atop mine for a while, but now I just don't care anymore. He's become humorous to me.

He’s like a kid arguing something he doesn’t care about just to be a dick. It’s like your annoying little cousin or something. I find him harmless.

But that may be a case of me just getting tired of being angry and giving up.

by Teej on Jul 31, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skip Bayless is truly stupid

and truly stupid people who think they’re brilliant deserve all the scorn given to them. I don’t find him argumentative for the sake of being argumentative – I find him argumentative because he’s an idiot

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but this is a good reason to argue

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no longer convinced that he takes himself seriously.

1st and Ten is on sometimes when I’m getting ready for work, and when I see his asshole-ish smile after saying something, I’m pretty sure he’s just doing it for a paycheck.

by Teej on Jul 31, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to punch Jarrod Washburn in the face

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I've heard this before.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 31, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like Manny had to agree to decline arbitration.

Is it just me, or is that gaming the system right out in the open? I know it happens, but I find it odd that it’s a part of the trade agreement.

by Teej on Jul 31, 2008 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a tit-tat

for Dodgers agreeing to decline options.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he's guaranteed to be an FA next year then.

Dodgers=hosed.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might actually make it better for the Dodgers - they draft well

and now there’s no way Coletti somehow picks up his $20M option

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're guaranteed to get the picks though. Because Manny has to decline arbitration when they offer it to him

In exchange for declining his options.

At least that’s how I understand it, but I’m a little confused myself.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they'll get two picks back and get Manny for free this year.

but yeah, that’s unlikely to replace LaRoche and I don’t know if Manny makes them any better.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Blake DeWitt actually any good?

I thought he was supposed to be at least ~decent

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's just struggling

remember they brought him straight from AA as a 21 year old.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd argue it makes them considerably worse given that you'll now have to run Manny out there in LF every day

and can’t hide him at DH every once in a while, plus no Monster to help disguise how terrible of a fielder he is

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha just realized - NL West

Manny in Petco

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 31, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES.

I’m getting my tickets right now.

by Teej on Jul 31, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy God....

9/8 – 9/10 woooooooooooooooooo

The Jose Lopez Watch - 129 H, 16 BB, 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap.

I’m out of town those days already. I won’t even be able to catch SportsCenter where I’m going.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man,

I would fly to SD just to see that (if I could afford it).

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would!

Unfortunately I’m already out of town that weekend.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop trying to read Jeff,

you know how hard that is for you. (j/k)

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh god this is going to be awesome

LF Manny
CF Jones
RF Pierre

and then you can flip to Chicago and see

LF Quentin
CF Griffey
RF Dye

These outfields will likely happen multiple times the rest the year. Comic gold.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones and Pierre aren't HORRIBLE.

Although Pierre has no arm.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was before the horrible blender accident.

Damn margaritas.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't the just put Manny in right?

Jim Edmonds is making me happy today.

by JI on Jul 31, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN...

Steve Phillips and Buster Olney holding down the desk? Ouch.

David Ortiz > God

by brick Royl on Jul 31, 2008 3:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are they holding it down?

Did gravity reverse while I was at lunch?

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

in an attempt to reduce the use of petroleum-based products like plastics and such in their desks, ESPN now boasts furniture made entirely of helium.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Won't work for Kruk.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kruk helped in the effort

because they let him eat all the old furniture. The problem is that now they have a carbon-emissions problem of almost unimaginable magnitude.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

HAHAHAA!

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Jul 31, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys

are making the humor-part of my brain hurt.

David Ortiz > God

by brick Royl on Jul 31, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In any case..

Phillips threw his vote for “worst dealer” to the Red Sox. I find that pretty ridiculous… relievers are replaceable.

David Ortiz > God

by brick Royl on Jul 31, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea that'd be dissappointing, would this rotation be realistic next year?

felix-bedard-dickey-rrs-morrow?

"I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul. I plan to face him with the zeal of a challenger."
-Ichiro on Dice-K

by seatownsports on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're forgetting Silva...

he’s kinda locked in for awhile

by Smith18 on Jul 31, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Also, capitalise.

by Graham on Aug 1, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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