7/30 Rumour Mill: Ibanez-----> Edmonds insurance?, Pudge/F4rn$w0rth swap
Rosenthal:
The Cubs, trying to cover every angle in their quest to win their first World Series in 100 years, are discussing trades for a left-handed hitter, including Mariners outfielder Raul Ibanez.
The team is not close to a deal, major-league sources say, and ultimately might settle for a bench player who would be an upgrade over Daryle Ward, or make no trade at all.
Olney:
Washburn a fit for Mets?
"It's a natural fit for those two teams," the executive mused.
Yes, it's barely anything, I know.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Wednesday that the Pirates are deep into talks with the Rays about Jason Bay. Separately, with about 29 hours to go before the trade deadline, sources indicate to ESPN that while nothing is imminent, the two sides are talking constructively and trying to bridge the gap.
Yes yes yes, go Rays.
Per Rotoworld, (via Goose)
The Miami Herald reports that the Marlins are close to acquiring Arthur Rhodes from the Mariners.
The 37-year-old southpaw has a 3.83 ERA and 26/10 K/BB ratio in 21 1/3 innings for the Mariners, pitching to a total of 83 batters in his 35 appearances.
Update: Pudge to to the Bronx:
Rosenthal:
"You have to give up to get," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said. "You have to do the balancing act."
Tigers president Dave Dombrowski said the team didn't want to trade Rodriguez, but had bigger needs in the bullpen. The two teams began discussing the deal early Wednesday and had it wrapped up about six hours later, just as the Yankees were finishing off a 13-3 win over the Orioles.
"It's going to be very exciting. They are in the race and I'm ready to do my job," Rodriguez said.
I don't get this at all. It's a complete steal for the Yankees.
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Something equal to or better than a late 1st round and sandwich picks.
Other then, no idea.
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Say it ain't so
I’m having horrible nightmares—an outfield of Soriano, Edmonds and Ibanez. How is that for the lame, the halt, and the lame?
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on Jul 30, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The offense would be good.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I like these posts.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply actions
Rotoworld:
The Miami Herald reports that the Marlins are close to acquiring Arthur Rhodes from the Mariners.
The 37-year-old southpaw has a 3.83 ERA and 26/10 K/BB ratio in 21 1/3 innings for the Mariners, pitching to a total of 83 batters in his 35 appearances.
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Giants are interested in Beltre.
However they haven’t exchanged names so nothing will happen.
Considering their trio is off-limits I would just hang up the phone. But it would be nice to get Tim Lincecum back here.
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Well, we wouldn't sell high on JJ, but we are listening to offers.
Cardinals and Red Sox are interested.
Seattle is willing to listen to offers on closer J.J. Putz but would have to get a big offer. St. Louis and Boston are interested.
I doubt we would trade him because I don’t think either team would be willing to part with a lot for a guy who is way less than 100%.
Go Nova
Jesus, Lee.
We demanded TWO top prospects from an NL team for Washburn.
If we end up getting nothing for him I’m gonna be so pissed.
Apparently the Yankees deal is dead for now and the Rockies and Mets are interested
Go Nova
Are you ok JI?
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Jul 30, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The Cardinals will need someone to pitch after Carpenter blows out his elbow tonight.
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You think you're being funny but really you are just asking for me to hire a stalker.
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You need to keep track of what sort of muffins he prefers before you can actually be his stalker.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I wanted to play it low-key for a little bit.
If I went straight for a blueberry muffin, he’d know it was me.
His protege is not
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by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 30, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Nor his his superior.
I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Who is apparently JI's typing protege
by Graham MacAree on Jul 30, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
That's twice today.
Perhaps it was a homage to Victor.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope we make Yuni and Beltre untouchable
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by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 30, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions
You just want to continue photoshops.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I love closing all my windows and seeing a giant Yuni staring back at me
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by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you don't think about computers this sounds very very very weird
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by dbroncos31 on Jul 30, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I realized that
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by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 30, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
It's much funnier if you don't think about computers.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The Orioles want a young starting shortstop.
They had hoped to trade Sherril for one. Is there anything they have that we might want if we sent them Yuni?
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Yuni, Lopez and Wlad for Markakis!
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Who the hell is lillibrstab
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by seattlebruin on Jul 30, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember that Nike commercial after the strike?
DON’T LIKE BASEBALL?
MOVE TO NORWAY
And then ESPN ran a feature about the Norwegian Baseball League.
I never saw the commercials again after that feature aired.
Playing baseball with Vegard Ulvang would be brilliant.
You’d hit the ball into the forest, and Vegard would ski in after it.
5 weeks later he’d ski back out having eaten his own brother to survive.
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by Llewdor on Jul 30, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just noticed the tag.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
He is a rather handome man, isn't he?

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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell is wrong with me today?
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
There is no floor...I heard Cirillo maybe coming back when we trade Beltre.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 30, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And now Crasnick says Rhodes-->Marlins deal is close to being done.
For whatever that’s worth.
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Crasnick is just regurgitating the Miami Herald report
Which was nothing more than a quick mention at the bottom of a story.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really a rumor, and probably doesn't deserve its own fanpost but...
Strasburg made the US Olympic team. Only non-drafted player to do so, it looks like. Don’t see any Mariners prospects in there either.
link: http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/07/all_aboard_for.php
What do you mean? Strasbeug's in there
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by Mariner John on Jul 30, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
*Strasburg
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by Mariner John on Jul 30, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe the term we know
Standing Pat.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
There's still time.
I’m not going to be annoyed until the deadline passes, because I have a hard time believing teams would refuse to make a move they think helps their team because they got in a huff about it.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm okay with their stance on Ibanez
With Washburn, I can’t tell if they’re being smart or dumb, but if they’re being smart, then I’m okay with that too.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 30, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If they could get Pie for Ibanez straight up, I would be annoyed if they didn't do it.
If they don’t trade Washburn I will be really fucking irritated.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
We won't know that for sure until Friday.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
We won't know for sure sure until the end of August
or even the early offseason, if they’re daring.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 30, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, but I think we'll have a better idea Friday.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Pudge to the Yankees for Farnsworth.
Per ESPN.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
Deryago
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3511535
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
Is he a free agent after this season?
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by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 30, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup.
Possible type A too. Don’t think the yankees would be dumb enough to offer him arbitration though.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
Yeah, that's tough to see them doing.
Pudge seems likely to accept and unless they want to be paying $25M to a pair of well over 30 catchers…
Vance Wilson
Inge was splitting time with Pudge.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
Dane Sardinha
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by Mariner John on Jul 30, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Rotoworld does not like this trade:
ESPN reports that the Yankees have acquired Ivan Rodriguez from the Tigers for Kyle Farnsworth.
It’s incredible that the Tigers would give up their catcher for such an inconsistent reliever and, in the process, help a team they might have to face in October. They’ll go to Brandon Inge behind the plate now, and they’ll be completely ruined in the event of an injury to him. Perhaps they’ll trade for Gregg Zaun or another veteran backup. Rodriguez supplants Jose Molina on the Yankees. Chad Moeller could be let go.
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It's pretty damned bad for Detroit.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see why.
Pudge is a FA after this season. The Tigers aren’t really in the race. Farnsworth in cheaper
I like this deal for the Tigers.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Is ther really nothing more valuable they could have gotten?
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they plan on getting into lots of fights
Farnsworth is a good fighter.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
Maybe even the Angels.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Tigers aren't facing anyone in October.
but I still don’t get the move from Detroit’s POV.
However, as long as the Yanks don’t offer Pudge arb and have him reject it (two things I would be surprised to see), then I don’t really care about this.
The Yankees are going to be in the playoffs again, aren't they?
Goddamnit.
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They still don't have the pitching.
It would take a miracle and Selig fixing it for it to happen.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
No. They won't pass the Rays and Sox.
Pitching.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on Jul 30, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
People have said similar things the last few years.
I’ll believe it when I actually see them mathematically eliminated from playoff contention
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They would need to get Clemens,
Bonds, and the fountain of youth.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
I'm not going to say they won't make it
but it seems like a serious long shot to me. They have two superior teams to get past this year.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Derr.
Either too much coffee or not enough.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The Tigers just saved 2 months of Pudge's salary.
That’s a win for them.
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Price and Brignac or no dice.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
I work for Lee P.
I stand pat.
against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.
I have a lot of trouble believing this.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets just trade Washburn to the Yankees for plane parts from Munson's and Lidle's crashes
I fucking hate you Mariners
How would people feel here about signing Abreu as a DH in the offseason?
He’s essentially Raul with higher OBP I think… I’m pretty sure he’s godawful at defense now. I’d kind of prefer Raul, but the stupid arby rules make Raul more valuable if we offer him Arb and he signs elsewhere.
Pass.
He’s aging, nothing special as a DH and will be over valued as an ex-Yankee.
Who was the other position player who struck out Pudge other than Burke this year? I can't recall...
Tony Pena, Jr.
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by seattlebruin on Jul 30, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not buying the Manny to the Marlins rumors that are out there
but if it happens it will be hilarious.
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These seem moderately more realistic.
Still not buyin’ it.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not truly the offseason or the trade deadline unless there are Manny Rameriz rumors.
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Not good enough.
He needs to be in a Presidential secret hiding spot where he cannot speak to the media and vice versa. I used to be a Favre fan, but now he’s just annoying.
There was only ever one Roughriders team.
The other team was the Rough Riders, and they folded.
I’d like to see Favre in Montreal. They’d insist on pronouncing his name correctly.
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I expect the standing O at Fenway for a rejuvenated Manny who rediscovers his love for CHOWDAH to come in the first week of August
Because you know that has never happened before.
Manny takes a little vacation like this every year.
He says he’s injured, gets a few days off, objects when people complain about it, and then comes back and absolutely kills the ball.
The Red Sox would be fools not to pick up that option.
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Manny's bat has been declining and his defense is getting worse
You could probably get the same production for less money if you spread it around to their problem spots.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The Red Sox would be fools to come anywhere near that option.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I still want him to DH here next season.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Adam Dunn.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Dunn will get a way insaner contract.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it.
Manny could get $100m, I don’t see Dunn getting anywhere close to that.
Disclaimer: I don’t want either
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Manny gets two years tops.
(I am trying to convince myself he can come here and it won’t be stupid.)
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
If he goes .300/.400/.500 I bet he gets a four year deal. Remember a slug like Alfonso Soriano is signed through age 38, it’s likely Manny can get 4/100.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really curious about this winter.
GMs seem to be getting smarter, the economy is in a downturn and there’ll be a plethora of big name FAs to choose from plus a lot of big market teams won’t have huge pressing needs. Could be a (relative) bargain winter.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately.
As you said, GMs seem to be getter smarter. Eventually, there are going to be more overpriced, big name free agents than spots dumb GMs have room for. When that happens, it could cause a pretty dramatic shift in thinking.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
There's always the Angels, Dodgers, Yankees, Tigers, Cubs and Astros to deal with
but point taken.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Astros have payroll room tied up already
Ditto Tigers, Cubs and Yankees.
Isn't Giambi a free agent?
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
They could perceive Manny as being an big upgrade
high average hitter, more marketable, and because fuck Boston that’s why
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Might need Posada to play DH
depending on how his shoulder rehabs.
That would be dumb
he’s probably a .260/.330/.430 hitter.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
But Yankee money isn't real
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 30, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh shit I forgot about that.
The Yanks are more likely to eat a sunk cost than anyone. He could be an expensive Jim Leyritz
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want Dunn anywhere near Seattle.
It’ll be Sexson all over again.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
And way more walks/lower BA.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like my brother compared to me.
AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...
My brother's in a slump too.
I'm back to liking midgets too much.
He needs a slump buster.
Hey-oooh!
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 31, 2008 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Fenway probably props up his AVG/OBP 20/30 points
IMO, he’s much like Burrell or a similar second tier slugger
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
...hmmm...
Manny came to the plate in the bottom of the first for the BoSox, so this hoopla over some pending Florida deal isn’t done yet, it seems.
Oh boy!
And now Joe Frisaro checks in and let’s us know that the Pirates might be involved with Jason Bay headed to Boston.
:|
That actually makes sense because
1) Not too much dropoff
2) It fucks over the Rays
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd love for Manny to end up in Tampa.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I have both Boston's and Pittsburgh's games up on GameChannel
If either of those two leave, we’ll know what’s up…
I’d be shocked if it happened during game play today.
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by JI on Jul 30, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
He also thinks Germany still has a chance to hold it down at Normandy.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Gammons knows what the Red Sox are likely to do better than anyone not named Epstein.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 30, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Eyets Naddah Twouuumooor
I fucking hate you Mariners
This would be a great time for a rickroll
does that make me a bad person?
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 30, 2008 6:10 PM PDT reply actions
Also in the GT, per Olney
As the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates discuss a possible three-way deal for Manny Ramirez, the sides also are discussing lefty reliever John Grabow’s moving from Pittsburgh to the Red Sox. The current sticking point, according to a well-placed source, is that the Marlins want the Red Sox to add a prospect to their take in the deal.
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To add to that, from Rotoworld
Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus says the Red Sox, Pirates and Marlins have agreed to a three-team Manny Ramirez deal, pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade clause and league approval.
Carroll, not normally one of our preferred sources, has the Red Sox getting Jason Bay and John Grabow; the Marlins acquiring Ramirez, cash and a prospect from the Red Sox and the Pirates picking up Jeremy Hermida, two prospects from the Marlins and one from Boston.
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Gammons seems less optimistic.
Rick Ankiel wears Fairy Winkle underoos
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