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With the Mariners now officially out of the Major League cellar for the first time in a month, it might be time to start preparing for life without the #1 pick. Because the more I've seen of this team over the past couple weeks, the less inclined I am to think that it has what it takes to keep up with the sorry piles of crap in Colorado, San Diego, and Washington. Those teams are just epically bad - true masters of their craft - and while the M's tried their hardest to pull away, they couldn't gain any separation, and now too many unlikely events would have to play out in order for this team to have a fighting chance at the big time. That's the problem you run into when you gradually start replacing bad players with decent ones.

But don't fret; it's not as awful as it sounds. There's still some upside here. You just have to look a little harder for it.

For one thing, we still have another year for draft-eligible high school and college prospects to emerge and bump Strasburg down the board. At the moment he probably has the brightest star in the country, but an awful lot can change between now and next June, and just because we probably won't end up with the first pick doesn't necessarily mean we screwed ourselves out of The Savior. And even if he does get picked by somebody else, we'll still be choosing high enough to come away with something neat. It's not like you happen upon too many draft years in which one player is far and away better than all of the rest. We'll be in a good position, Strasburg or no Strasburg. (For the record I do still want Strasburg.)

For another, let's think about this. Recently the Mariners have been giving a lot of exposure to lesser-proven guys who stand a chance of occupying a significant role in 2009. Jeremy Reed. Jeff Clement. RA Dickey. RRS. Brandon Morrow (sort of). Wlad for a little while. And with many of the veterans soon to be on their way out, that means we'll only be seeing more playing time going to possible pieces of the future. Is that a team you really want to see finish with the worst record in baseball? The better they do now, the better shape we're in when the front office tries to work out how to turn this into a contender for 2009. If we ditch the veterans and just completely tank, the front office will lose confidence in what it has and search for other solutions. But if we ditch the veterans and start winning more games, then in so doing guys like Reed and Clement will be answering a lot of pressing organizational questions. And that strikes me as being pretty damn important. Given an inverse relationship between the success of our younger players and our chances of drafting Stephen Strasburg, I'm going to side with the younger players, because those are the guys who would put us in the best position to succeed. And at the end of the day, all any of us really want is for the Mariners to be relevant again.

I love Stephen Strasburg. I've never met him in person and I've only seen footage of one single start, but I still love him to death. However, I love the Mariners more, and if they can start playing better baseball on the backs of their younger talent, then for me that's going to take precedence over my desire to draft a guy that looks like an elf. I want this team to be good and I want it to be good in a hurry, but I'd rather try to build around a team with potential than hope that Felix and a dude out of college can resuscitate what's clinically dead. I just like the odds a lot better.

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Biggest Contribution: Miguel Cairo, +27.3%
Biggest Suckfest: Adrian Beltre, -17.9%
Most Important AB: Cairo double #2, +21.7%
Most Important Pitch: Lind homer, -21.0%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +39.2%
Total Contribution by Lineup: +8.3%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +2.5%
(What is this chart?)

When I say "playing better baseball on the backs of their younger talent," winning because of Miguel Cairo and Jarrod Washburn is pretty much the exact opposite of what I mean. I demand that every last one of our wins be made possible by Ichiro and players under 30. Letting Miguel Cairo flip out doesn't accomplish anything.

I'm completely beat from last night, so all I'll say now is that that Rays/Sox series showcased some of the most exciting baseball I've seen in my life. Seriously, I implore you to start paying attention, if you aren't already. Their entire season has been like our game from last night repeating itself almost every day. If you only bandwagon one team in your life, let this be it. Trust me.

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Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 3, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff should sue someone.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never been happier to read a game thread at 1.30 in the morning.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jell-O

?

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I now know the answer.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did something similar.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer misdirection.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To show I can handle more than addition and subtraction.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your bringing back bad memories of fourth grade.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For three years I was considered good at math you bastard.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Up until Cairo's second double I was honestly enjoying following the Rays game on my phone more than watching the real game.

People gave me a funny look when I just shouted “YES! RAYS WIN!” after Varitek K’d.

It’s catching on too, some middle-aged woman didn’t give me a weird look while I said that but started talking to me about how much she liked the Rays, how she thought they were good for baseball, and how her and her husband were rooting them to take down the Sox and Yanks this year.

Good night at the ballpark.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 3, 2008 12:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's Go Rays!

I was out with a friend who I drink with about once a month tonight. We watched the highlights of the Rays sweeping the Sox (which I pretended to predict, having seen the game earlier) on the bar TV, and he said “dude, when I first met you, I thought you were batshit crazy because you told me the Devil Rays were the team to watch in a year or two. I’m never doubting you again.”

Thanks to the foresight LL helped provide, I look cool to my friends (even if he’s still convinced we should trade for Griffey… I can’t win every argument).

Go Rays!

Free Stephen Awesome Strasburg!

by thejew4u on Jul 3, 2008 12:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea its funny how many people outside of baseball didn't see the Rays being as good as they are

You could’ve probably made a small fortune betting on them to win the division before the season starting. I am not sure what their odds of winning the division, but I know Oakland’s odds were 30:1 before the season started and look at them now. I am still kicking myself for not betting at least $20 on them.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 3, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet my friend $20 that the Rays would win 80.

He was thrilled and laughed at me after the bet.

Also, I am so fucking pissed that my other friend turned down a 1000-1 bet that the Rays would win the AL East. He said that I was too confident and that I must know something. :-(

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jul 3, 2008 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much the same thing happened with me at work.

All off season I kept telling people that the Rays were gonna be awesome.

One Vision, One Purpose
Peace Through Power

by Goose on Jul 3, 2008 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm officially excited to see the Rays in August.

And it was also funny to listen to the dismayed Red Sox fans at my local bar.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...so Jason Bay is good again.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are ways around that in the inferior league.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Superior League plays by superior rules.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which include the DH.

Except when the home team dictates otherwise.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 3, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You misunderstand.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're saying Hinske is lonely?

He would be incomplete without him?

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking Gabe Gross actually

So when Floyd gets hurt again Hinske/Gomes DH.

I really would rather just have Justin Ruggiano though :(

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 3, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been a bit skeptical of him

being the new Edaurdo Perez because his career BABIP is through the roof against LHP.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know we all want Strasberg

But winning is never a bad thing. If we hadn’t won all those games last year Bavasi wouldn’t have had some unrealistic goal to shoot for this year and would probably still have a job.

The next thing we should be hoping for is that Strasberg hires Boras. That will guarentee a drop of a couple spots.

those really are my initials

by BS Nelly on Jul 3, 2008 8:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and we'd still be

one of the worst teams in baseball….. and we’d still have a core of sucky veterans.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 3, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes we would

doubtfull any GM would have gone with 2 untested rookies in the rotation…. so someone like Silva would have been signed either way.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 3, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

and that would guarantee we’d still be one of the worst teams in baseball…..

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 3, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I guess now I'm pulling for the Nationals to win the STRAAAAASBUUURGG!! race

But the thing is, we already have tons of great young pitching in the system. We just need someone who can hit the damn ball past the infield.

I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.

by esoteric on Jul 3, 2008 8:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So let's say the M's continue winning with a younger, more improved team

Does Riggleman stay? I say he hasn’t been offensively bad. I’d keep him.

by Gomez on Jul 3, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nope...

this team needs a whole new house cleaning with a whole new approach….

that being said, he’ll probably stick as will Pelekoudas

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and new vets will be brought in

not enough talent in the minors to fill out the roster….

Those that will be gone are basically just Sexson, Vidro, and probably Cairo…..

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 3, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might as well hold on to Cairo.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?!?

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are only substantial

if they’re not replaced by aging veterans with long contracts….. and since we don’t have a capable first baseman in the minors.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 3, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Seattle sports fan, I get to look forward to misery for eight constant months followed by a hopeful run dashed in more misery.

I cannot understand why people wouldn’t want to take a break from constantly expecting the worst. I’m not saying be optimistic, but this OMG the Mariners are going to trade Felix and Ichiro for Neifi Perez stuff gets especially tiring. With Bavasi, it was funnier because it was rooted (deeply) in a kernal of truthful expectation for what he might do. But Bavasi is gone now. Can’t we just hold off until they actually announce the new GM before wallowing in future despair?

by Matthew on Jul 3, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ok...

I’ll put on the rose colored glasses for the rest of the year.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 3, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Expect the worst, hope for the best.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll throw you a bone.

(Felix + Loafie + fruit salad + salsa dance) / Surprised Jeff = ?

by JI on Jul 3, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What he said.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 3, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"since we don’t have a capable first baseman in the minors."

When was the last time the Mariners did? Have we ever developed 1b “in house” since…. Tino?

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd wait a year and check back

Marshall Hubbard and Johan Limonta have shown patience and productivity in AA. Let’s see how they handle AAA.

by Gomez on Jul 3, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't the both a bit old though?

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fairly old for a prospect, no?

At the point where you start to question how much more they’ll develop?

by seattlebruin on Jul 4, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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