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Rumour Mill 7/29: Mark Teixeira------> Angels

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Olney:

The Mets have continued discussions with the Mariners about outfielder Raul Ibanez, but as of early Tuesday afternoon, nothing seemed particularly promising.

If the conversations with the Mariners heat up, they could conceivably expand the conversation to include Arthur Rhodes, the veteran lefty.

Rosenthal:

Almost immediately after the Braves decided to trade Mark Teixeira on Monday, the Diamondbacks emerged as the apparent front-runner to land the switch-hitting first baseman.

The Angels, however, also are in the mix.

The Diamondbacks, sources say, will not part with first baseman Conor Jackson for Teixeira, who is a free agent at the end of the season. But they would be open to moving Chad Tracy, who is signed for $4.75 million next season with a $7 million option for 2010.

Also, per ESPN, fuck my life:

 

The St. Louis Cardinals have decided it is time to return the closer's role to Jason Isringhausen, who has been languishing as a middle reliever after an early-season slump and a trip to the disabled list.

 

"In my head, I knew Izzy's the closer and I'm just here to fill in until he got ready, which I think he is," Franklin said.

Update: Rosenthal:

The Angels have won the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes. 

First baseman Casey Kotchman and Class AA right-hander Stephen Marek are headed to Atlanta in exchange for the power-hitting first baseman.


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This trade couldn't happen at a better time. Atlanta must be out of players.

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They should trade him for Washburn instead

shiny shiny ERA!

The Jose Lopez Watch - 124H - 14 BB - 58 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is over the last two months

The Jose Lopez Watch - 124H - 14 BB - 58 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 1:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think we're that stupid.

We are the ones who let him walk and sign with you.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 1:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wouldn't he have accepted though?

The Jose Lopez Watch - 124H - 14 BB - 58 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 1:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he would have.

I can remember him offering to play for a huge hometown discount for them, and they basically said, “Not interested.”

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 1:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

from some archived version of wikipedia

Washburn became a free agent after the 2005 season. As an eight-year Major League veteran who had just completed a very good season, he was clearly in-line for a lucrative multi-year contract. The Angels, however, were not interested in making such an expensive commitment to Washburn. The team felt it could get comparable performance to Washburn’s, either from young pitchers in its organization who would be far cheaper, or from a free agent they could sign to a short-term contract. As a result, Washburn’s departure was widely expected as the 2005 season drew to a close.

Washburn repeatedly expressed a desire to remain with the Angels. However, knowing that they would not be interested in matching the long-term offers Washburn would certainly draw from other teams, the Angels declined to attempt any contract negotiations with Washburn’s agent. In fact, the team never even inqured as to what specific contract terms Washburn would request of them.

Washburn ultimately signed with the Mariners on December 19, 2005, for four years at $38 million (USD).

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 1:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

err left this part out

Washburn has expressed disappointment that the Angels made no attempt whatsoever to keep him, suggesting he might have been willing to take a shorter contract and/or less money to stay with the team. Team officials, however, have pointed to the contract that Washburn received from the Mariners (and an offer at similar terms that he received from the Washington Nationals) and said that what the Angels would have been willing to offer Washburn was so much less that there was no realistic chance of reaching an agreement, and thus any negotiations would have been a waste of both sides’ time.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 1:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's Michael Olney?

Buster’s son?

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Jul 29, 2008 1:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know

I found some google cached version of the page, not the current one.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 1:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bastards

it has changed back. I was so hopeful for a few minutes

The Jose Lopez Watch - 124H - 14 BB - 58 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not like Wikipedia is a sacred text or anything.

any time there’s “open source” anything, people will mess with it; this is the exact reason I can’t take Wikipedia 100% seriously as a reference.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 29, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But it's on the internet!

it must be true!

The Jose Lopez Watch - 124H - 14 BB - 58 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You forgot to include his intangibles.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Jul 29, 2008 1:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he did help keep the latin players focused.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 1:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SOMEbody in our clubhouse needs fire.

He brought that. Sure he’s probably a dick, but…I’m sick of whiners like Ibanez and Wash.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm a little scared of the answer.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

About what? Him being a dick or me being sick of Wash, cos I am.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or you don't think he brings a winning attitude?

I don’t mind players calling each other out IF players are slacking. However, I wasn’t enthused with him hasseling Jones when he was called up. You gotta give the kids an atmosphere where they can feel comfortable if you expect them to produce.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 1:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easy...

Lets put it this way. Guillen talking smack didn’t HELP Jones in ANY way.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 2:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Mariners FO needs to seriously consider getting rid of Washburn. No surprise here.

But, if Mariners want prospect in return, I think there is another alternative.

With Jorge Posada out for the rest of the season, this is the time to unload both Washburn AND Johjima. If the Yankees do not want to give up a prospect, then make them take Johjima with Washburn.

Not inconceivable, but sure as hell would be funny.

by Wilder. on Jul 29, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like this. For Melky ONLY would be enough for me.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!

Is it spicy mustard? Cos it better bring some FIRE.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*Limps back in*

sorry.

AMAZING what 10 minute ban will do for a guy.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 2:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never going to happen.

Hilarious to think about, though.

by BrianL on Jul 29, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed, only the M's are dumb enough to make that trade.

I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.

by Montucky on Jul 29, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know

That probably would’ve been possible without that extension of Joh’s.

by ThundaPC on Jul 29, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So apparently Baseball reference writes or at least links articles

about baseball now.
I found this one to be hilarious.
http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=1697

The Mariners/Yankees initial conversations going back three or four weeks didn’t actually involve Jarrod Washburn, but Kenji Johjima. With Jeff Clement being hurt now, he’s likely off the market, but if the Yankees could sweeten the pot, say, Kennedy, Cabrera, (who is the rumored piece for Washburn) and a prospect for Washburn and Johjima, that’s a trade I’d do in a heartbeat.

In a heartbeat? I think anyone would do that in a hearbeat… Shoot I’d do Washburn and Kenji for nothing.

by LantermanC on Jul 29, 2008 2:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So apparently Baseball reference writes or at least links articles

about baseball now.
I found this one to be hilarious.
http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=1697

The Mariners/Yankees initial conversations going back three or four weeks didn’t actually involve Jarrod Washburn, but Kenji Johjima. With Jeff Clement being hurt now, he’s likely off the market, but if the Yankees could sweeten the pot, say, Kennedy, Cabrera, (who is the rumored piece for Washburn) and a prospect for Washburn and Johjima, that’s a trade I’d do in a heartbeat.

In a heartbeat? I think anyone woudl do that in a hearbeat… Shoot I’d do Washburn and Kenji for nothing.

by LantermanC on Jul 29, 2008 2:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Teixera to Braves for Kotchman official

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 29, 2008 2:57 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

err to Angels I mean.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 29, 2008 2:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, this deserves its own fanpost.

Angels are dumb. I don’t even know the terms, but I think they’re dumb.

by LantermanC on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this Stephen Marek any good?

The Jose Lopez Watch - 126H - 16 BB - 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not like the Angels are hurting for cheap bullpen arms

So I don’t care about this guy.

Arredondo has been awesome this year.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What does your future bullpen look like w/o Rodriguez?

I had a discussion with a my roommate (an Angels fan) over whether or not they should re-sign him. I said no, that bullpen arms are easy to find – he said yes, that he’d rather see Arredondo setting up rather than closing and where will the other arms come from.

The Jose Lopez Watch - 126H - 16 BB - 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frankie scares me.

Always has. He is regressing, his arm has GOT to explode someday. He allows too many baserunners. It’s not a save for Frankie with some combination of a double, a walk, and/or a solo home-run. I don’t know what the pen looks like long-term, but I see Shields probably closing next year with Arrendondo taking the 8th, then eventually into the closer role.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's puzzling about it from Atlanta's POV?

Though I wonder how good Kotchman actually is, he’s productive and cheap.

by Matthew on Jul 29, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh. I don't think that's too much of an issue here.

Kotchman’s probably worth more than the two picks on his own.

by Matthew on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's not.

Dave can chime in with the defensive numbers, but I think Kotch is somewhere around a +2 win player all told.

by Matthew on Jul 29, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well look at it.

His bat is somewhere between 0.5-1.5 wins above average
His position is -1 win
His defense is reputed to be good, so cancel the position adjustment.

You’re left with a guy who’s roughly a win above average, which like 2.5 wins above replacement IIRC.

by Matthew on Jul 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kotchman is cheap and effective

Cheap opens up payroll to bolster other positions, and effective means not worrying about a big dropoff in production or defense.

by Gomez on Jul 29, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

But you have a guy cheap through 2011 for 3 months of Tex.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I get that

Which is the only reason I’m not really pissed off right now.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the Angels win this big time

I’m a bit surprised that’s all.

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly

I wouldnt mind that, since it’s not MY money. $Texas for good players doesn’t bother me. I don’t really care that they overpaid for Torii. Though Sarge Jr. does piss me off.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Though the Angels now are kinda screwed on 1B after this year

Kendry Morales? Dear lord I hope he can get it together.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bryan LaHair is available

The Jose Lopez Watch - 126H - 16 BB - 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The main thing I'm worried about

Is that Kotchman is still below his peak, and is going to crank out a few 25-30HR seasons in a Braves uni for cheap.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Defense matters too

though IIRC, Tex is a pretty good 1B

The Jose Lopez Watch - 126H - 16 BB - 57 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gold Glove!

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

I think Kotchman’s a very good player, and someone who will get better through 2011, though it’s worth pointing out that he’s been fairly injury prone (or just disease-ridden?).

I understand this from both team’s POV, and honestly, I think Marek might add some value to the Braves, especially if they trade Mahay. Still, if you’re the Angels and you’re making a push for the WS this year, yeah, it makes sense.

by marc w on Jul 29, 2008 3:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Regarding Wash ------> Yanks

I think it’s a lot like Hargrove —-—> not Mariners in ‘06.

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jul 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes.

Jeff, you still owe all of us money for that

by Graham on Jul 29, 2008 3:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Appears Reagins is a lot more willing to pull the trigger on stuff like this.

It would be really great if we could sign Texiera, and we know the Halos have the money. I dunno. We’ll have to see how this works out.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 29, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's with all the worries, Eyebrows ?

I’m not sure I follow you. The Angels FO is basically saying; Let’s make 2008 our year. We understand we got the division (no offense, A’s, M’s and Ranger fans), but let’s NOT get beat in the first round ALDS this post season.

I am stoked – and I love Kotchman! But Teixeira is awesome in his own way. More awesome than Kotch.

I’m not concerned about the big contracts for GMJ, Hunter and possibly Teixeira – as a matter of fact I hope he resigns with the Angels.

A lot of baseball fans are going to be ticked off right now, as the best team in baseball just got even better. They FINALLY added the power bat they’ve been talking about for years now. Much like the earthquake today, we were long overdue for this.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Texeira is great

I just don’t think he’s enough of an upgrade over August-October 2008 Kotchman to give up August2008-2011 Kotchman.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he is

And I really hope he provides us with the extra punch that’ll make us awesome in October. We need that.

Let me put it in another way: nobody else available would’ve made sense to the Angels. Teixeira does make sense, and I look very much forward to see our team in October now. We seriously upgraded our offense. As much as Kotchman has been great this year, Teixeira is much more certain to be great down the line.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would have much rather had Beltre

I know it wasn’t rumored, but 1B wasn’t a major weak spot for the Angels. 3B still kinda is.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tex's WARP so far this year: 5.1

Kotchman: 2.5

If that kept constant, Tex is worth +2 wins for the rest of the year. Since the Angels pretty much have the division locked up, then we’re only really getting Teixeira for the postseason. I am open to any arguments about how he is worth that much more in the postseason over Kotchman that you’d give up 3 cheap years of Kotchman.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe I look at it much simpler than you do.

I just see it as this:

With Kotch, I felt good about our chances in the postseason this year, especially with our success against Boston this year.

With Teixeira, I feel much BETTER about our chances in the postseason this year.

That, is all that counts to me. Nobody can deny he makes our club better. A better club, means a better chance in the postseason, providing you get there.

Love Kotch, but Teixeira is more than welcome :-)

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn, why haven't they quantified feel yet?

Graham, you bloody slacker. Get on that. And we need a formula for love as well.

by Matthew on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He needs a way to fill his days.

I would do cartwheels over my name written in sand

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 30, 2008 7:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feelings are wonderful

But not a good reason to trade someone.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As you very well know, none of that is true

But bottomline is that most people will agree that the Angels’ chances to succeed in the postseason WITH Teix > Angels’ chances WITHOUT Teix.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True.

But you’re not taking cost into account.

First Class > Coach. But if you got coach for $100, and First Class for $2000, would it be WORTH it?

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it means I get to my destination (World Series) when flying first class this year, then YES!

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No - you're both right, it doesn't guarantee it

I don’t care though.

The team just got better and that’s all that matters.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

COST matters too.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't worry about the Angels financials

And neither should you. The Angels will most likely try to resign Teixeira, and who knows, that might work out. If that costs Arte money, why would I care ?

It’s in Arte’s best interest to be competitive now AND for years to come. So far he has not given me a reason to doubt him. Look at where we are right now.

I don’t worry about other peoples money. They don’t worry about mine.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's dumb.

Cost is a huge part of the equation.

by Matthew on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not true

Arte is a smart business man and has been against rentals in the past. So I am sure he has a plan, and if not, he doesn’t care this costs him extra the next few years.

If it’s not my money, I don’t worry about it.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're entitled to your opinion

As I’m entitled to mine.

I have more faith in our team right now, than I had in our team 2 hours ago. If you don’t think that’s right, correct, or think I shouldn’t – that’s fine. The bottomline, and I’ve said that many times already, is that I think our team just got even better than it was.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, all true.

More faith – short term.

Less faith – long term.

Or hey, let’s stop talking faith/feelings and actually talk about real things like money and wins and talent.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not just MONEY

cost also means PLAYERS. In this case, Kotchman.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't worry too much about it.

But tying up a lot of payroll into a few players is risky. And it leaves less liquidity to seek out other complements to the team. You don’t want a team of Stars and Scrubs.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but the improvement is not very big across a playoff timescale

Also,. since 2001, the best team in baseball has won the world series exactly once.

by Graham on Jul 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Red Sox, last year?

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

And even then they were tied with Cleveland

by Graham on Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What metric are you using for best? W/L record

or something more advanced? BP 3rd order wins?

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since the new format

you have 1999, 2004 and 2007 as the only two years where the best two teams actually met.

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 3:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe 1995 too

Point is, it’s rare.

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 3:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you wanted to argue that the Talent vs. Chances of Winning in the Postseason function

is nonlinear, that would be fine. Is this really going to guarantee the Angels the WS? Is this the final 5% they needed? I just don’t think you can quantify and say something like that, really.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You cannot quantify

All I’m saying is: our team WITH Teixeira is better, in the present, than it was with Kotchman.

You can try to quantify anything and everything you want, but the simple thing here is that for now, Teix is an upgrade over Kotch at 1B.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We agree on that.

But I still maintain it was not worth the marginal improvement.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's your opinion and that is fine

I just don’t want to over complicate things.

I’m all for trying to quantify things and running numbers to see what makes the most sense. But you know what ? The Angels front office is making a clear statement in that they want it all this year, and they’ll do anything (except sign Bonds :-)) to get there. This is part of it. If they want a ring this year, signing Teix absolutely makes sense as regardless of anything, he is a better hitter than Kotchman is.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wrong wrong wrong

This is tiring. Graham, you’re better at dealing with this than I am.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why? Why deal with it?

No one’s going to convince anyone here.

by marc w on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should trade away Adenhart and Wood and Conger and Kendrick and everyone else

For Dan Uggla and a bullpen arm. That will make us better this year too! I guess that means it’s a good idea!

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't agree

But, again, you’re entitled your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. I’m not saying you, or anyone else, have to agree with it.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess you missed my sarcasm.

That took a lot of skill.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to buy a bigger house than the one I currently live in

Granted, it’s going to drive me into more debt than I can handle, but dammit, my goal is a big house and I feel that the upgrade to my current house (which is admittedly of adequate size) is worth the sacrifice.

Bottom line is, the new house is big and nothing else matters.

by Graham on Jul 29, 2008 3:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh, I think it's more like

I want a raise.
Granted, my salary is fine, and I’ve got a great, stable job, but I’d really like a chance to make $5,000 more per year.
Ergo, I’m going to quit my job, go back to school and (hopefully) learn something entirely new. At a cost of $180,000. But $5,000 more a year! Maybe!

by marc w on Jul 29, 2008 4:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's your situation - and in your case, yes, a bigger house might put you in more debt

However, who says that’s the case for the Angels ?

We don’t know anything about the Angels specific situation in the future. We don’t know Arte’s budget for the Angels, we don’t know his plans.

As long as we don’t know any of that, we can guess, we can agree with his decisions or disagree with them. However, in the end, only he and his team now the bigger plan.

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 4:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can't tell the future! Nothing is certain!

Therefore you can’t say something is bad!

Great logic.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but the simple thing here is that for now, Teix is an upgrade over Kotch at 1B.

Yes true, but we strive more more than” the simple thing.”

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 3:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes, simple things can be good

Hey you! What are horse mackerel!
Hey, the chair are sailing! You believe that I am toad of the month!
(Yes, that is K-Rod's entry music, translated)

by infant on Jul 29, 2008 3:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This trade couldn't have happened at a better time for me

No Hudson, no McCann, no Chipper, no Tex

Go to town!

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 4:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Traitor

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 4:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McGwire hit 9 more.

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 4:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Legal!

Revenge of '96: STOP THE CHOP

by JI on Jul 29, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aye

But is the difference of Mac with legal performance enhancing substances and Mac without them more than nine home runs? No one can say for sure either way…

by Frosty Raptor on Jul 29, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true

But McGwire, Bonds, Sosa and Brady Anderson also board the same canoe.

by Frosty Raptor on Jul 29, 2008 4:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs