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UPDATE 2: This team steadfastly refuses to complete trades in a timely fashion.

UPDATE: Jarrod Washburn has been traded to the Yankees. Not yet sure on the return.

Go to town.

Baker:

We're headed to the eighth inning, with Seattle down 8-3, but on the bigger news front, we're hearing buzz that Jarrod Washburn might not make it to tomorrow with the M's. A trade with the New York Yankees appears imminent. We're trying to peer into the dugout to see whether he's still there. We'll have an update after the game.

FSN's reporting a Washburn/Vidro for Cabrera/Igawa rumor.

Jayson Stark:

Even Ibanez may not be affordable, however. Seattle hasn’t asked interested teams for specific names yet. But the Mariners are one of many clubs saying that, because Ibanez projects as a Type A free agent, they would want the equivalent of a first-round pick and a sandwich pick for him.

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Because I don't want anything to ruin this

I will assume that Igawa is “retiring” after this year and the M’s want him so they can send Morrow down.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Feirabend > Wash.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

$$$ wise.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OPEN A BARREL OF BLOOD WINE!

The vintage 2309 – there is no greater barrel.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 26, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Martok?

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 nerd points.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 26, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love DS9

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DS9 was awesome.

So many great minor characters like Weyoum and Dukat.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 26, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elim Garak as well.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best ST Alien character ever.

of all the alien characters Garak should have gotten his own movie…
But then they still have not done a Klingon movie but that is another topic.

by mark sobba on Jul 26, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call either of those two minor characters

given there was a three-season story arc around them…

The Jose Lopez Watch - 120H - 13 BB - 61 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DS9 was the best Stark Trek series ever created.

I believe this was because since it took place pn a stationary object, the story had to be character driven rather than plot driven like the rest. This made for much more interesting stories to people like me who prefer that style of storytelling.

by thewyrm on Jul 27, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees fans

think they’re not going to use Washburn. They think the trade was just to dump Igawa.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jul 26, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope they use Washburn.

His regression to the mean will help tank the Yankees.

by BrianL on Jul 26, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far just a rumor?

TV just said Washburn was “surprised” by news and hasnt been approached by Yankees.

by Smith18 on Jul 26, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he hasn't

That would be tampering.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No trade happening yet

Stupid FSN made us wait through a commercial to tell us there was no news.

by OlSalty on Jul 26, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA he doesnt know if he likes to shave...

Guess we’ll have to wait…grrr
I do want more RR-S

by Smith18 on Jul 26, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At least with the trade deadline coming up...

...this can’t get dragged out as long as the Bedard trade.

by ubelmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So Washburn will be replacing, who, Darrell Rasner?

Guess who’s been a better pitcher than Jarrod Washburn this year?

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee?

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be my guess

Ponson even has a higher xFIP with the Yankees than Washburn’s had with the M’s.

by ubelmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick your stat

FIP: 4.02 vs. 4.46
xFIP: 4.52 vs. 4.74
tRA: 4.54 vs. 5.09

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Melky is no great shakes or anything

but he’s been pretty unlucky this year, too. If he’s coming I’m pretty happy with that return for Wasburn.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't worry too much about this year

Melky’s Marcel coming into the year was .283/.350/.409, and even now it’s probably only around .270/.340/.400. He’d be a heck of a return.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, how's his defense in CF?

I haven’t seen him play much (obviously) and I wouldn’t know how to interpret defensive statistics even if they were useful.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that's how the trade goes down, I can't change it.

I’d rather be happy about Washburn being gone and getting a useful player for him.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to be really optimistic about it...

The rumors that Igawa might want to go back and pitch in Japan, if true, could get the Mariners out of a chunk of Igawa’s contract.

by ubelmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff, 'there is no floor'

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 26, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

because the ride never stops.

by Matthew on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to temper my enthusiaism

but it’s been so long since I’ve had any, it’s fairly difficult.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that for CF?

If he played LF we could probably say +5 to +10 right?

by Edgar for Pres on Jul 26, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay then

Cabrera looks like all kinds of average for a low price.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw his debut at Yankee Stadium...

he was horrible but that was like 3 years ago…

by LantermanC on Jul 26, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we throw in Johjima?

Just so Washburn can keep throwing to him?

by Scrupio on Jul 26, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Imagine being a Yankees fan

How underwhelming can a trade yet?

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can imagine the Yankees will make Washburn look good

Considering they make Mike Mussina and their other mediocre/awful starters look good.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 26, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MIke Mussina of today right?

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jul 26, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Cabrera pretty much a finished product?

or is there still room for development?

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

which is why I am wondering if he has some upside.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melky Cabrera has 8 HR

Mariners with at least 8 HR:

Beltre (16 HR)
Raul (14 HR)

Melky Cabrera would be our 4th best power hitter behind Beltre, Raul, and Clement.

...

:(

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A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just so that its clear

What is Igawa’s contract terms?

by Scrupio on Jul 26, 2008 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Igawa's contract per Cot's contracts

Kei Igawa lhp
5 years/$20M (2007-11)

  • signed 12/06
  • 07:$4M, 08:$4M, 09:$4M, 10:$4M, 11:$4M
  • may earn $0.5M annually in performance bonuses
    o $0.125M each for 180, 190, 200 & 210 IP
  • Yankees bid $26,000,194 for negotiating rights with Igawa 11/06
  • posted by Hanshin Tigers of Japanese League 11/06
  • agent: Arn Tellum
  • ML service: 0.095

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can trade Washburn for more or less what we owe him right now in Igawa and Melky Cabrera, I think it's a win.

Especially because it comes in 4 million chunks instead of one big 10 million spot next year.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another way this would be awesome

If the FSN rumor of Vidro/Washburn for Igawa/Melky is true then who cares about Igawa’s salary, we get out of what like 2-3 left of Vidro’s salary and all of Washburn’s?

That would be wonderful

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

It’s not as big a win as it would be with, say Gardener or Melky on his own, but it’s a win nonetheless.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't think they were

it was just annoying. I wanted to find an ugly picture.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anything with him smiling

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 26, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

weird

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 26, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOLY TACO

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 26, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Melky is still in the Red Sox/Yankees game

Not gonna assume anything til he gets pulled, or would they let him finish the game?

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's sad about Igawa

is you cant even make him a high paid LOOGY.. lefties rake him

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the first time I have watched him with the hope he does something good.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut up shut up shut up

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As in he should've been pulled

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Olney was on ESPNnews and said it'll likely be a few days before this trade is announced

So do we start Washburn tomorrow knowing he’s being traded? I’m confused.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 26, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like a virgin....

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pooping

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jul 26, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to the Padres picking up Igawa?

I thought I heard the Padres getting him last season, but maybe that didn’t happen.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...?

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 26, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Melky will fit right in.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Melky Observations

Just me two cents on Melky.. i watch him daily here in NY. He’d be a great fourth outfielder given his ability at the corners to project as an above average defender. In CF he’s average, but has a big arm. Think he led the league in assists last yr. Therefore overall Id say he’s slight above average in CF. And from the left side, he’d be a solid player. He cant hit a lick from the right

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the last two yrs..

I think he’s bad from the right side.. no power at all, and his OBP has fallen drastically from that side..

He’s been a little unlucky from the right side. But still the numbers are hideous.

In 06, he was equally good. But these last two seasons, he cant do a thing from the right side

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Small sample size

his BABIP is worse from the right side. I don’t know where to get LD% splits though.

by JI on Jul 26, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point

His BABIP is crazy low. Just goin by observation as well. That he doesnt have power from the right side and his swing looks much more natural from the left side

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh? reassigned?

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=506432

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hello Mr. Stinky Fish Face

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jorge Sosa?

We didnt have enough right handed suck?

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morrow to Tacoma?

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, a quick thought on Igawa...

Is the thought he’s part of the deal that’s going down based solely on Olney’s report? Because if that’s the case, I’m inclined to believe he heard “Washburn to Yankees” and threw something together quickly, using the previously quashed Igawa rumor as a possibility.

It’s possible I’m being overly optimistic, I’m just trying to figure out why the M’s would say “No way in hell” and then cave a few days later.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs