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UPDATE 2: This team steadfastly refuses to complete trades in a timely fashion.

UPDATE: Jarrod Washburn has been traded to the Yankees. Not yet sure on the return.

Go to town.

Baker:

We're headed to the eighth inning, with Seattle down 8-3, but on the bigger news front, we're hearing buzz that Jarrod Washburn might not make it to tomorrow with the M's. A trade with the New York Yankees appears imminent. We're trying to peer into the dugout to see whether he's still there. We'll have an update after the game.

FSN's reporting a Washburn/Vidro for Cabrera/Igawa rumor.

Jayson Stark:

Even Ibanez may not be affordable, however. Seattle hasn’t asked interested teams for specific names yet. But the Mariners are one of many clubs saying that, because Ibanez projects as a Type A free agent, they would want the equivalent of a first-round pick and a sandwich pick for him.

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Because I don't want anything to ruin this

I will assume that Igawa is “retiring” after this year and the M’s want him so they can send Morrow down.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Feirabend > Wash.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

$$$ wise.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OPEN A BARREL OF BLOOD WINE!

The vintage 2309 – there is no greater barrel.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 26, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Martok?

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 nerd points.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 26, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love DS9

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DS9 was awesome.

So many great minor characters like Weyoum and Dukat.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 26, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elim Garak as well.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best ST Alien character ever.

of all the alien characters Garak should have gotten his own movie…
But then they still have not done a Klingon movie but that is another topic.

by mark sobba on Jul 26, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call either of those two minor characters

given there was a three-season story arc around them…

The Jose Lopez Watch - 120H - 13 BB - 61 G Left

by seattlebruin on Jul 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DS9 was the best Stark Trek series ever created.

I believe this was because since it took place pn a stationary object, the story had to be character driven rather than plot driven like the rest. This made for much more interesting stories to people like me who prefer that style of storytelling.

by thewyrm on Jul 27, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees fans

think they’re not going to use Washburn. They think the trade was just to dump Igawa.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jul 26, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope they use Washburn.

His regression to the mean will help tank the Yankees.

by BrianL on Jul 26, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far just a rumor?

TV just said Washburn was “surprised” by news and hasnt been approached by Yankees.

by Smith18 on Jul 26, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he hasn't

That would be tampering.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No trade happening yet

Stupid FSN made us wait through a commercial to tell us there was no news.

by OlSalty on Jul 26, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA he doesnt know if he likes to shave...

Guess we’ll have to wait…grrr
I do want more RR-S

by Smith18 on Jul 26, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At least with the trade deadline coming up...

...this can’t get dragged out as long as the Bedard trade.

by ubelmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So Washburn will be replacing, who, Darrell Rasner?

Guess who’s been a better pitcher than Jarrod Washburn this year?

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee?

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be my guess

Ponson even has a higher xFIP with the Yankees than Washburn’s had with the M’s.

by ubelmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick your stat

FIP: 4.02 vs. 4.46
xFIP: 4.52 vs. 4.74
tRA: 4.54 vs. 5.09

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Melky is no great shakes or anything

but he’s been pretty unlucky this year, too. If he’s coming I’m pretty happy with that return for Wasburn.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't worry too much about this year

Melky’s Marcel coming into the year was .283/.350/.409, and even now it’s probably only around .270/.340/.400. He’d be a heck of a return.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, how's his defense in CF?

I haven’t seen him play much (obviously) and I wouldn’t know how to interpret defensive statistics even if they were useful.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that's how the trade goes down, I can't change it.

I’d rather be happy about Washburn being gone and getting a useful player for him.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to be really optimistic about it...

The rumors that Igawa might want to go back and pitch in Japan, if true, could get the Mariners out of a chunk of Igawa’s contract.

by ubelmann on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff, 'there is no floor'

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 26, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

because the ride never stops.

by Matthew on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to temper my enthusiaism

but it’s been so long since I’ve had any, it’s fairly difficult.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that for CF?

If he played LF we could probably say +5 to +10 right?

by Edgar for Pres on Jul 26, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay then

Cabrera looks like all kinds of average for a low price.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw his debut at Yankee Stadium...

he was horrible but that was like 3 years ago…

by LantermanC on Jul 26, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we throw in Johjima?

Just so Washburn can keep throwing to him?

by Scrupio on Jul 26, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Imagine being a Yankees fan

How underwhelming can a trade yet?

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can imagine the Yankees will make Washburn look good

Considering they make Mike Mussina and their other mediocre/awful starters look good.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 26, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MIke Mussina of today right?

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jul 26, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Cabrera pretty much a finished product?

or is there still room for development?

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

which is why I am wondering if he has some upside.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melky Cabrera has 8 HR

Mariners with at least 8 HR:

Beltre (16 HR)
Raul (14 HR)

Melky Cabrera would be our 4th best power hitter behind Beltre, Raul, and Clement.

...

:(

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just so that its clear

What is Igawa’s contract terms?

by Scrupio on Jul 26, 2008 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Igawa's contract per Cot's contracts

Kei Igawa lhp
5 years/$20M (2007-11)

  • signed 12/06
  • 07:$4M, 08:$4M, 09:$4M, 10:$4M, 11:$4M
  • may earn $0.5M annually in performance bonuses
    o $0.125M each for 180, 190, 200 & 210 IP
  • Yankees bid $26,000,194 for negotiating rights with Igawa 11/06
  • posted by Hanshin Tigers of Japanese League 11/06
  • agent: Arn Tellum
  • ML service: 0.095

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can trade Washburn for more or less what we owe him right now in Igawa and Melky Cabrera, I think it's a win.

Especially because it comes in 4 million chunks instead of one big 10 million spot next year.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another way this would be awesome

If the FSN rumor of Vidro/Washburn for Igawa/Melky is true then who cares about Igawa’s salary, we get out of what like 2-3 left of Vidro’s salary and all of Washburn’s?

That would be wonderful

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A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

It’s not as big a win as it would be with, say Gardener or Melky on his own, but it’s a win nonetheless.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't think they were

it was just annoying. I wanted to find an ugly picture.

by Jeff on Jul 26, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anything with him smiling

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 26, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

weird

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 26, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOLY TACO

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 26, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Melky is still in the Red Sox/Yankees game

Not gonna assume anything til he gets pulled, or would they let him finish the game?

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's sad about Igawa

is you cant even make him a high paid LOOGY.. lefties rake him

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the first time I have watched him with the hope he does something good.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut up shut up shut up

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As in he should've been pulled

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Olney was on ESPNnews and said it'll likely be a few days before this trade is announced

So do we start Washburn tomorrow knowing he’s being traded? I’m confused.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 26, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like a virgin....

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pooping

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jul 26, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to the Padres picking up Igawa?

I thought I heard the Padres getting him last season, but maybe that didn’t happen.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...?

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 26, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Melky will fit right in.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Melky Observations

Just me two cents on Melky.. i watch him daily here in NY. He’d be a great fourth outfielder given his ability at the corners to project as an above average defender. In CF he’s average, but has a big arm. Think he led the league in assists last yr. Therefore overall Id say he’s slight above average in CF. And from the left side, he’d be a solid player. He cant hit a lick from the right

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the last two yrs..

I think he’s bad from the right side.. no power at all, and his OBP has fallen drastically from that side..

He’s been a little unlucky from the right side. But still the numbers are hideous.

In 06, he was equally good. But these last two seasons, he cant do a thing from the right side

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Small sample size

his BABIP is worse from the right side. I don’t know where to get LD% splits though.

by JI on Jul 26, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point

His BABIP is crazy low. Just goin by observation as well. That he doesnt have power from the right side and his swing looks much more natural from the left side

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh? reassigned?

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=506432

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 26, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hello Mr. Stinky Fish Face

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jorge Sosa?

We didnt have enough right handed suck?

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morrow to Tacoma?

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, a quick thought on Igawa...

Is the thought he’s part of the deal that’s going down based solely on Olney’s report? Because if that’s the case, I’m inclined to believe he heard “Washburn to Yankees” and threw something together quickly, using the previously quashed Igawa rumor as a possibility.

It’s possible I’m being overly optimistic, I’m just trying to figure out why the M’s would say “No way in hell” and then cave a few days later.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he doesn't, I say we drop him like he's hot.

I’m all for this trade if Jose Vidro gets off the corner.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't ruin this sub-thread

‘Cause today was good day.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 26, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Igawa's gonna get his walk on

Everybody everybody get their walk on… WHAT

by Gomez on Jul 26, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Igawa's hot Igawa's hot uh uh

Igawa’s hot Igawa’s hot

by Gomez on Jul 26, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You better get out tha' way...

Kei Igawa’s on his way.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Igawa isn't Dontrelle Willis

and at least we might have traded Washburn for him and not Adam Jones.

by Matthew on Jul 26, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Promotional event:

Seattle Times Commenters Make Important Decisions For The Team Day

Romanes eunt domus

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 26, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AP Wire: Mariner GM Geoff Baker designates entire MLB roster for assignment.

This move is believed to be a precursor to the Mariners’ signing of the Cuban National team.

Baker is also reportedly in talks to trade Greg Halman and Carlos Triunfel to the Toronto Blue Jays for relief pitcher B.J. Ryan.

FanShots are underrated.

by acblue on Jul 26, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought BJ was anti media...

this will not fly in Baker’s world.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess u didnt hear Riggleman before the game

Stating the organization, their scouts, head officials, and media aree 50/50 on MOrrow to the rotation..

Odd that the media is part of the decision making process

by DarkLou on Jul 26, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So... Loafie and Melky

become the next Carlos Guillen’s and we get Strasburg who along with Bedard, Felix and Morrow all get 200+ ks… and then we win the WS….

by LantermanC on Jul 26, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

still no SS in this.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cabrera bunt single

won’t fit in if he can bunt.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well he will if he can bunt at the worst

and most idiotic times.

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Jul 26, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see the light. I apologize.

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Jul 26, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...DO NO RUIN THIS

[Update: 6:15pm] Ken Rosenthal just reported during the Fox telecast that the deal is now being held up by the Mariners demand for a top prospect in addition to the Yankees taking the remainder of Washburn’s contract.

"I'm like a retarded Adam Dunn mixed with Jason Bartlett" - R.J. Anderson

by P Brady on Jul 26, 2008 5:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At least they're trying.

With Bavasi the conversation would something like this,

BAVASI: (answering phone) Hello?
CASHMAN: Hey Bill, it’s Brian Cashman.
BAVASI: Oh hey, Brian.
CASHMAN: Listen, I’m calling to let you know that we’re interested in acquiring Jarrod Washburn.
BAVASI: What’s your offer?
CASHMAN: Well we were thinking Kei Igawa and…
BAVASI: DONE!
CASHMAN: Don’t you want to at least want to hear the rest of our proposal?
BAVASI: No, no, no, no. Igawa is good enough.
CASHMAN:...
BAVASI:...
CASHMAN: What?
BAVASI: You heard me.
CASHMAN:...
BAVASI:...
CASHMAN: Okay…
BAVASI: (Hangs up phone) Oh boy, wait until I announce this to the press! I’m a genius!

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Jul 26, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Noone brought up yet...

That Washburn says he wants a little compensation or he will not wave his no-trade clause. Of course, he is a dick, and dicks do dickish things.

By compensation, I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Apparently either team can give it to him, so I guess that scratches out a contract extension preference. Who knows.

by Slica on Jul 26, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, this is the reason no-trade clauses exist.

Players with limited NTCs rarely choose truly bad teams to put on the “limited” list. Rather, they choose GOOD teams that might want to trade for them sometime in the future, so that they can make some extra $$$ for waiving the clause. Washburn is well within his rights to ask for some extra bling here, it’s what he’s expected to do.

I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.

by esoteric on Jul 26, 2008 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my thought.

His demands don’t really make him an asshole. It’s everything else about him that makes him an asshole.

by kevin_ess on Jul 26, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Never thought of it like that before, good point!

by Slica on Jul 26, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is disappointing.

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jul 26, 2008 10:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

[Potential] good news on the Rhodes front.

Gammons says that the Marlins will stop pursuing Fuentes and will go after Rhodes instead.

Linky

I’d be willing to trade him for Maybin and one of their young pitchers. Otherwise, we should keep him because if we want to compete in the 2nd half, we’ll need him around to keep everyone in line.

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jul 26, 2008 10:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the funny part

about competing in the second half.

by kevin_ess on Jul 26, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees possibly considering alternatives

This story looks like it’s leaning pretty heavily on writer speculation, but the Yankees apparently may look elsewhere if the Washburn impasse continues. According to the Kansas City Star they could instead set their sights on a familiar name; the saber-inclined Brian Bannister.

Relevant quotes:

Should the Royals send pitcher Brian Bannister back to New York if offered outfielder Melky Cabrera or another run-production bat in return?

Such an offer might be forthcoming, because the Yankees appear determined to boost their rotation and are showing increased interest in Bannister as an alternative if ongoing efforts to acquire Seattle’s Jarrod Washburn reach an impasse.

As for the possible return for Washburn should the deal get consummated with the Ms, it looks like the writer’s running off of the same info as we are…

The Yankees still appear to prefer Washburn, an 11-year veteran who is 4-9 with a 4.75 ERA in 20 games, but the Mariners rejected an offer of Cabrera and pitcher Kei Igawa. Seattle is thought to want a prospect, possibly minor-league outfielder Brett Gardner, in addition to the Yankees’ picking up the remaining $14 million-plus on Washburn’s contract through next season.

So yeah…we’ll see if this will be the source of some gnashing of teeth and so on as the trading deadline approaches…

by ebbnflow on Jul 26, 2008 11:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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