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As I sat here watching Gameday and listening to Batista getting annihilated on the radio (you know the season is sunk when you don't even bother with a proxy for MLB.tv), it occurred to me that there isn't a single good, realistic reason for the Mariners to leave Miguel Batista in the rotation.
Not a single one. This isn't like the whole Ibanez/Vidro/AJ thing from a year ago. The Mariners didn't want to throw an unproven rookie into the middle of a pennant race, and Ibanez had been effective and consistent for years, and they wanted to keep as many lefty bats in the lineup as possible, and...whatever. There were reasons, is what I'm saying. There were perfectly legitimate reasons for handling that situation the way it was handled.
But not this one. No sir. When I say there's not a single good reason to leave Batista in the rotation, I mean there's not a single good reason to leave Batista in the rotation. It's every bit as inexplicable as...as batting Jose Vidro cleanup, really. Or for that matter, batting Jose Vidro anywhere. It is, for all intents and purposes, an unjustifiable decision.
What could possibly be the reason? That the Mariners are still trying to win as many games in 2008 as they can? Because Miguel's not helping. In case they haven't noticed, both his ERA and his tRA as a starter this year are over seven. The team is 5-11 in games that he starts. That's bad. Allowing Miguel Batista to remain in the rotation is actively costing this team wins, wins that Riggleman and the executives claim to value.
That the Mariners are playing for the future, and want to get Batista back on track before 2009? The Mariners know what Batista looks like when he's "back on track". He looks like Miguel Batista a year ago, a guy who can give you a high-4's/low-5's ERA and a bunch of 5/6 inning starts. What they don't know is what Dickey, RRS, or Morrow could provide in the same role. And finding that out is of far greater importance for the future of the organization. If the team were playing for the future, they'd put one or two of those guys in the rotation, find out what they have, and use that information to better assess the team's standing come October.
That Batista deserves every last opportunity because he's a veteran who's been around a while? No dice. Burke isn't getting much of an opportunity. Neither is Dickey. Neither did Wilkerson. Sexson got plenty of chances but got dumped during a relative hot streak. The veteran favoritism thing (1) isn't a good reason, and (2) doesn't really hold up when you look at the other decisions this team has made over the months.
That he deserves every last opportunity because of his contract? We've been over this before. It's a sunk cost. What you pay for something becomes of virtual irrelevance as soon as you get it. People have talked about how they don't want to trade Bedard for a lower price than the one we paid, but the price we paid doesn't mean anything anymore. And the same goes for Batista. The money is spent. There's no getting it back. So starting him just because he's due to make many millions of dollars doesn't make any sense.
That he's just trying to work his way through injuries? Funny thing about people who're injured - they don't tend to get better if they keep repeating the thing that got them hurt in the first place. Fixing Batista by letting him pitch would be like healing a wound by slapping a cobra.
That he simply wants to keep starting? Who the fuck cares? Willie's been whining his cracker ass off about playing time for as long as he's been a Mariner and hardly anyone ever pays him attention. Everybody wants to play more. Nobody works his way to the Major Leagues aspiring to be a role player or middle reliever. Everyone wants the glory of being a regular, and just because Batista wants to keep starting doesn't mean you should ignore everyone else who tells you the same thing.
That he's being showcased for a trade? One, showcasing almost never actually takes place. Two, this isn't helping. Showcasing only works in theory when the player you're showcasing isn't a giant pile of crap.
And so on and so forth. I could make up and debunk different possible reasons all night long, but there wouldn't be a point, because the response to every single reason would be some variant of "no, sorry, that's stupid." Every single one of them. Seriously. The only hypothetical good reason I could come up with for leaving Batista in the rotation is that the team is tanking for Strasburg, but as much as I'd like to believe that this is what they're actually doing, there's just a little too much evidence to the contrary. So all we're left with is:
Q: Why is Miguel Batista still in the starting rotation?
A: Because fuck you, that's why.
It's stupid. And it bothers me even more than the fact that Vidro's still on the roster getting regular playing time, because Vidro's gone come autumn and he isn't really blocking anyone important, whereas Miguel Batista being in the rotation directly prevents the team from finding out whether or not it already has a cheap, effective #5 starter on its hands for 2009. Considering the only purpose of the games at this point is to answer questions about the future, leaving Batista in the rotation just flies in the face of everything the team's supposed to be trying to do.
Make the official switch already, Jim. This has been going on long enough. It's time to let Dickey or RRS' dreams come true for a change.
It's the right thing to do.
Biggest Contribution: Jose Vidro, +9.6%
Biggest Suckfest: Miguel Batista, -44.8%
Most Important AB: Betancourt DP, -12.3%
Most Important Pitch: Choo homer, -17.1%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -43.8%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -11.4%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +5.2%
(What is this chart?)
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Comments
RRS' average fastball today: 90.0mph
Average of his first five: 89.1
Average of his middle five: 90.1
Average of his last five: 89.6
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting closer to where he was a year ago
And that’s over a long relief outing.
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stuff looks better close up.
But man does he lose the zone sometimes.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't lose the zone
The zone runs off and hides because it gets tired of being hit in the face by awesome pitches.
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he's worthy of a pitch F/X location post.
My hypothesis is that he pitches up in the zone far too much.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be surprised if research disproved this hypothesis.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jul 19, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gun to your head, which would you prefer:
(1) M’s finish with the worst record in baseball
(2) Rays win the East
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
Tampa’s 1.5 game lead feels precarious, but Washington’s 1.5 game lead feels insurmountable.
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Padres roared by us too :(
And the Giants are making a late comeback.
And beware a Nady-less Pirates.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We really need to trade Ibanez to somebody
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Circle one.
A rotation of: Felix – Bedard – Silva – RRS – Dickey
and an OF of: Willie/Wlad – Reed – Ichiro
helps/hurts us in the chase for Strasburg.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on Wlad, really
if he looks as bad as he did early on, I’d circle “helps”.
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
though i'm personally not a fan of silva, i could deal with that
and i do like Willie in CF and still not sold on Wlad…i dont dislike him but he needs to “prove” himself
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it hard to not expect my spirits to be crushed.
I’m the most fucked up optimist ever.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though I'd probably take the Rays winning the East
over the Ms netting the 2nd overall vs say the 4th overall.
First overall picks are just so insanely valuable.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dickey is in the rotation (as of now anyway-slotted for 7/22) so let RRS's dreams come true!
He has said multiple times in multiple places that he would liek to eventually be a starting pitcher. He has shown that he is able. No, I wont goright out and say “yes he is an ‘ace’ right now” but he sure has potential. “Practice makes perfect”.
RRS picthed somewhere around 87 pitches today…that aint too shabby. Dickey’s 5 inning relief outings earned him some starts. Like I said, maybe RR-S is not perfect, maybe he will give up a couple runs, and maybe he will “only” go 5-6 innings.
Batista ERA: 6.98
RR-S ERA: 3.44
Rather see that then what I saw today (and previous times) from Batista. I could see it if he has “earned” that spot like if he was a veteran fan favorite…or something…
but oh right…Strasburg’s on the line! That’s why.
And speaking of Burke, kinda made me sad when the article in the paper admittedly said he was getting the short end of the stick. I like Burky
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shiza!
noob mistake number 356 this week
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Scheisse
(Just busting your balls a bit.)
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
niiice
point for you. i however am in the negatives
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At bats for Vidro are at bats that could go to Clement
by Sports on a Schtick on Jul 19, 2008 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Clement's still getting plenty of playing time
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs to stop sucking at defense. >:(
I’ve played better games behind the dish than his today.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to really worry about Clement's defense but then I remembered that Victor Martinez also sucks a lot
I was comforted.
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction: used to suck a lot
Evidently things have changed. But still.
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can make no sense of Catcher defense.
Therefore, I choose to ignore it completely.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 factors.
1. Calling a game/ framing pitches/etc. No good way to quantify it.
2. Catching pop ups. All pretty much the same. Small samples prevent distinction.
3. Fielding bunts. See above though slightly more sample
4. Preventing PB/WP. Quantifiable.
5. Controlling the running game. Quantifiable, though shutting it down entirely isn’t actually the best outcome.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, I feel like anyone who can catch without being disastrous is fine defensively.
I’m sure I’m wrong to a certain extent, but I hate being subjective in baseball judgments.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you're pretty much on the right track.
There’s less variation between the best and worst catcher than any other position as far as I’ve been able to tell.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly a demanding position, and an important one.
The thing is, very few outcomes are effected in any meaningful and quantifiable way by catchers. And yeah, pitch calling, blah blah blah. As long as the pitcher can shake off signs, I’m not buying it one bit.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My theory is that catcher is just one of those positions, like shortstop.
If you cannot handle it, you get moved off it well before you reach the majors. Result, the spread between major league catchers just isn’t that wide since, like you say, the chances to meaningfully impact a game defensively are few in number comparatively.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is awesome, really,
because it makes it that much easier to quantify the value of catchers individually.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never before compared catcher to shortstop like that...
but i can see that!
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My god! Why is it so difficult for you to use capital letters appropriately?
It’s not that hard.
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jul 19, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Jeff and Matthew seem to be the only people in this thread so far
I’d just like to say that the Stone 12th Anniversary Bitter Chocolate Oatmeal Stout is more than welcome to have carnal relations with my girlfriend and raise the resulting child as a trophy. Sweet merciful heavens that is delicious beer.
Also, no amount of charity work, writing, scholarship, competent musicianship or general Renaissance Man-ness could trump Miguel Batista’s absolute suckitude on the baseball diamond. If I could use to nanotechnology to implant a bomb in his elbow U would love nothing more than to push the button that triggered its explosion. Fuck that guy.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This Young's Double Chocolate tastes like failure now.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always hate when I try something that makes a previous favorite taste bland.
by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had this same problem several times before.
I need to start buying safety beers when I’m trying something I know is going to blow my mind. A Samuel Smith would have done nicely tonight.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You been to the Sam Smith pub down by the Market?
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!
NO! WHERE THE FUCK IS IT!
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post btw Virginia and Stewart.
White Horse Trading Company.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't know there was one...
Note taken!!!!
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think it's distinct enough from both Young's and Old Rasputin.
I love all three in their own way.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, me too.
Old Rasputin has been on sale lately, and I’ve been putting it down like crazy. But the Stone is so demanding of your palate’s attention that following it with anything similar is doomed to failure. I once had a Ruination right after a 90 Minute IPA and experienced a similar phenomenon; I still prefer Ruination, but 90 Minute is so complex and strong that it should be appreciated by itself.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
This is why I am loathe to not only order the same beer twice in a row but I also avoid ordering the same type of beer consecutively. It makes it hard for me to drink much at most bars since the palate selection tends to range between hefe on one end and amber on the other. Not many places with good porters and stouts on tap to ease the transition.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, considering that Seattle is a big time beer town
the selection at most bars is pretty damned pedestrian.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm sad
you’ll have to let me know the good places to go. BIG beer drinker right here.
And yet another thing I’m a noob at…legally anyway…well not QUITE yet…
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Develop a taste for IPAs and Ambers.
There’s usually one good one to choose from at any decent bar. When you feel like going upscale, try Brouwer’s in Fremont (on a weeknight, for the love of God only on a weeknight) Feierabend, the Stumbling Monk, or pretty much any brewpub in town. People’s Pub has a limited selection of great beer, and there’s a place in the U-District on Roosevelt called die BierStube that has a great selection but an awful, awful crowd most nights. Go early and you’ll be fine.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again, go to a normal bar in say
Virginia and I would be appalled at the shit I would be forced to choose from.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
Which is the lesser evil; Budweiser or Coors?
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say budweiser
but i come from Pullman and Busch is “Pullman water”
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends.
Bud Select, for mass-produced swill, isn’t that bad IMO. but Bud and Bud Light are gag-riffic. But really, if forced to choose I would go somewhere else and if that weren’t an option; it’s hard A time.
by Matthew on Jul 19, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey Bud Light is good for shotguns!
so is keystone light….
AGHCK!!!
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're going to run out of shift buttons.
by Teej on Jul 19, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny, since the left shift key
on my comp fell off last month.
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha that is funny to me
I have one of those “Oh Shit” keys on my keyboard
i am not even 100% sure where the “shift key” tradition started here…but it does make me chuckle…even though i’m the one getting “shift”ed a lot
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seen tonight at the Ballard Fred Meyer:
Budweiser+Clamato. Ugggghhhhh.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that at the store.
In a 24-ouncer no less.
by Teej on Jul 19, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is, in all seriousness, on of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can just imagine a college kid shotgunning it. "Breakfast beer, bro!"
by Teej on Jul 19, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hair of the dog, bra'. You gotta' keep it rolling, y'know? Cuz' old lady hangover is a fuckin' BITCH man, y'know? Fuckin' a, dude!"
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with beer for breakfast?
it’s the cure for a hangover…
jk
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drinking to cure a hangover is your quickest path to severe dehydration.
Not to mention problem alcoholism.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as i grit my teeth and think...yeah you're right
i do know a lot of people who are on the fast path to alcoholism
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hangovers are natures way of reminding you not to do that shit all the time.
by acblue on Jul 19, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm...
well what is nature telling us when we exercise and are sore the next day?
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nature is reminding you to work out more often, because then you won't be sore.
Nature is annoying.
by Teej on Jul 19, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was going to add on to this nature->exercise thread...
but i just thought about it too hard and now my brain hurts.
and lately nature has been telling me that staying is a sacrifice and that i need to work out more, more often than i’d like!
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my coworkers wanted to work out with me.
And he let me into the company gym as his guest. And we lifted for 2 hours, first time I’ve lifted in a while. I cannot bend my arms now. That’s natures way of telling me I’m a dumbass.
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good job! i applaud you for going to the gym period
i haven’t done that in a long while…nature will definitely kick me in the ass the next time i go to the gym
i usually go running…which i need to do more often…grr
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I haven't done that in 2 months either.
So I ran 11 miles this morning. Also not a smart decision. I was dry-heaving for a while after the run.
Also, I may or may not have seen Matthew playing soccer. It looked like him, but I have no clue what he’d be doing in Redmond.
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you run in redmond?
thatd be funny if ive seen you. I used to go running in Redmond when i kept my horse there
I REALLY need to build up my stamina again…10 miles is starting to feel difficult
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True story, a guy I know loves clamato.. alot.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 19, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batista is a sunk cost...
but so is Silva… I know he’s not nearly as bad, but if he’s worse than Morrow, RRS, and Dickey, at what point (bad he gets, or good they get, or years left on contract) do we consider him cutting him/benching him.
Though he has looked better as of late. I suppose if he’s the 4th/5th starter, that’s acceptable on a competitive team.
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Silva is a serviceable #4 or #5 pitcher.
He’s just an expensive #4 or #5 pitcher.
by BrianL on Jul 19, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Decisions like keeping Tits in the rotation are to blame for our inability to stay on-topic.
by Teej on Jul 19, 2008 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Partially.
When the opposing team scores 8 runs on us in 2 innings, it’s hard to keep on topic. Though it is fun to see RRS and Dickey in (if the game was televised like it was supposed to that is).
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was there
and yes, it was great to see RRS in for multiple innings. At least it made the ticket value worth SOMETHING.
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It amazes me.
That we are a Lincoln replacement away from sanity. 6.5 other billion people could replace him, and BOOM…bubkus.
Sic Semper Tyrannis!
by Slica on Jul 19, 2008 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
There are so many changes that are long overdue.
by Wilder. on Jul 19, 2008 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincoln and Armstrong
are at the bottom of it.
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They must realize how badly we want Strasburg
because there’s no other explanation for this, unless they think Oakland, LAA and Texas are about to go on 60 game losing streaks
The Jose Lopez Watch - 115H - 12 BB - 65 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2008 8:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really wouldn't mind if we were tanking on purpose.
But I’d rather get our young guys some playing time. And sign some guy like Rich White to be our closer /set up man so we can lose some more games.
by LantermanC on Jul 19, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we are tanking on purpose
i almost wish there was some way they could tell us so i dont have to think they are just being stupid…or something
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since others went off-topic--excellent use of ponies.
However, even ponies cannot elevate Batista. Putting him out to pasture is not enough.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 19, 2008 9:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
off topic? Nooooo! Really? i thought for sure we were on topic...
if ponies aren’t enough…
care bears?
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's going to be one bottle of glue that never gives up
by OlSalty on Jul 19, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
awww i hate you guys!
JK
tho i have had horses that had about the (show) value of Batista and made me want to send them to the factory…
AND like baseball players, horses are DAMN expensive (at least in westside WA)
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm once again declaring myself Shift Deputy for a Few Minutes.

by Teej on Jul 19, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After three failures to get my point across with the shift-key, I leave these people in the hands of the mods.
by BrianL on Jul 19, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God damn it something must be wrong with this transmission
Shift already.
by OlSalty on Jul 19, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Use the fucking shift key!
Hearts,
-The Management.
by Graham on Jul 19, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The Jose Lopez Watch - 115H - 12 BB - 65 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2008 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
To be fair, that was a good suggestion.
But I would love to see a paint sign made by Graham and signed with a little pink heart.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 20, 2008 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Covert Strasburg
If they’re gunning for the StraSweep then they wouldn’t want the unwashed masses to know it. Maybe they don’t want to make overt “throw in the towel” moves?
Is it plausible that they’re going with a “veteran” to make it look like they’re trying?
Who knows…
by solap1 on Jul 19, 2008 10:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not buying it
It fits too well with their previous philosophy for “winning” ballgames. When this club had high expectations they were doing the same thing they are now. And it was a strategy which happened to be so horribly inept it resulted in losing. That strategy continues, because it’s still mostly the same people running the team, and their basic philosophical biases are just as fucking stupid as they were since they were hired..They won’t learn, the only thing that will change anything about this team is if we completely clean house.
And honestly, what could be more overt than batting Vidro cleanup and letting Batista keep his job? These guys are shit, there’s really no excusing it, they are respectively the worst in baseball at their jobs. It’s not like there is any reason to hide it if you’re really trying to sabotage things when you’re playing the worst players for their positions and they are the worst by a wide margin, everyone would know what you’re doing anyway…..So why not just go all the way? Why do you platoon Vidro instead of batting him cleanup every single day if you’re trying to tank?
The most logical conclusion is, they aren’t trying to tank, they are just fucking stupid.
by OlSalty on Jul 19, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But winning ballgames at this point means nothing
“These people are idiots,” is a lazy excuse. They do make bad philosophical decisions, but they’re not complete retards.
by Gomez on Jul 20, 2008 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this
If Batista gets another start on this team, they are fucking retarded. With Dickey clearly being a better pitcher even at his worst, and JJ coming back…..if we ever see him start again, I think they meet the legal threshold for retardation.
by OlSalty on Jul 19, 2008 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So do they keep him in the pen or what?
Is he even close enough to being DFA? I suppose even if the was, this team has demonstrated that they like to keep players around much longer than they should be.
Also, I don’t understand the graphic in the WE chart, can someone explain it?
JI/Robert '08!
by Fin on Jul 19, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good question
would he be better in the ‘pen or would he be one of the infamous pitchers that throws the game away after the starter’s done (literally)...
he couldnt be as bad as EOS…right?
Dickey is getting some nice starts with Bedard hurting this and that. I would much rather see Dickey as a starter long-term than Batista…it’d be sad to see him go back to the ‘pen when Bedard’s back (if ever..)
While Dickey is replacing Bedard, i would much rather see RR-S get some starts. What do they have to lose?
Strasburg.
or put Morrow out there. i don’t know if he would make a good starter but he is a better pitcher and at least even if he lost it’d be interesting
by Smith18 on Jul 19, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Jose Lopez Watch - 115H - 12 BB - 65 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAPITALIZE THE GODDAMN CORRECT LETTERS
by OlSalty on Jul 20, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he would certainly be better in the pen
Every pitcher is better the fewer innings they are expected to pitch since they don’t have to worry so much about pacing themselves, but I have serious doubts that he is even valuable as a bullpen arm anymore.
by OlSalty on Jul 20, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN ONE OF THEM
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 20, 2008 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, note taken.
Other internet blog groups I’ve been a member of called me a priss for always using correct grammar. I also get that when I use full sentences and correct grammar (like capital letters) on IM.
Still trying to figure out the “culture” here. Only been here (actively) less than a week.
Oh, and I am retarded. I thought the shift key pic meant “shift topic” as in you’re boring, off topic, or inapporpriate. I don’t mind admitting I’m dumb. I lost it tonight a long time ago.
Got it now. I promise.
by Smith18 on Jul 20, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this place and its insistence on maintaining high standards.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 20, 2008 4:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously... my workplace
doesn’t even have such high standards…. People send me emails with smiley faces and uncapitalized, unpunctuated sentences all the time.
by LantermanC on Jul 20, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People at my workplace do that too
sometimes to people in the USAF. Oh well.
The Jose Lopez Watch - 115H - 13 BB - 65 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 20, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I guess I have been used to groups, friends, and even work-related instances where online netiquette is very loose, emoticons and abbreviations (like LOL) are the way, and if you use complete sentences and capital letters then you are considered pompous and prissy.
Was actually refreshing (rather than mad at being corrected) to find this place is not like that.
by Smith18 on Jul 20, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro! hit a homerun!
And seattlebruin has to update his sig!
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 20, 2008 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wayyyyy ahead of you
The Jose Lopez Watch - 115H - 12 BB - 65 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 20, 2008 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got a walk and I didn't even notice!
The Jose Lopez Watch - 115H - 13 BB - 65 G Left
by seattlebruin on Jul 20, 2008 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love MLB.com's headlines:
Sox are Meche-merized
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 20, 2008 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Joe Maddon.
Dioner Navarro bunted for a hit in the sixth inning with the Rays up 5-0, then was plunked his next time up. Maddon had this to say:
“I really disagree with what they did,” Maddon said. “We’ll stop trying to score runs when they stop trying.”“Too many times people have had things passed down through legend or lore in regard to the appropriate or inappropriate things to do,” Maddon said. “Maybe in 1922, you wouldn’t (bunt) because nobody is going to hit a home run. But in the year 2008, people hit home runs. And you could see how they came back. Once again, in baseball, for me, there are moments when people definitely mentally move at a glacier pace, and they really have to get beyond it. That’s what I think about that situation. And it stunk.”
by Teej on Jul 20, 2008 12:08 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Joe Maddon is quickly becoming my favorite manager in the game.
by BrianL on Jul 20, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few years ago,
when he was saying that the Rays were going to attempt to steal bags at pretty much every opportunity, I thought he might be an idiot. But the more I pay attention, I see he’s far from that. And he’s a disciple of Scioscia, so at least he learned how to “put the game in motion” from someone who does it very well.
I also love Manny Acta. Funny, smart, open to new things.
by Teej on Jul 20, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Acta gets fired this year, I would love to hire him.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jul 20, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes please.
Speaking of, another reason to love the Rays is the fact that they didn’t fire Maddon when the team was awful. They knew they were building something, and Maddon was their guy.
by Teej on Jul 20, 2008 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a great point. I can't understand the 'don't humiliate the other team' brainbug.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 20, 2008 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time I'd disagree with you would be this past season in football, when the Patriots would be up by 30 in the 4th quarter and still be passing almost every down
and they would keep Brady in. That’s just plain stupid
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 20, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially considering that the Rays bullpen ended up giving up four runs in the 9th.
And they easily could have given up more.
by Teej on Jul 20, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong that I like the Indians 80's unis way more than their current version?
Can’t say the same for the Mariners though.
Also, funny how, just like the 80’s, the Mariners and Indians are both having shitty years.
by Gomez on Jul 20, 2008 3:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that I think about it
I remember reading somewhere before the All-Star break that Jim Riggleman would like to see how this team performs with all of its parts back. Basically get Putz back, get Bedard back, get Batista back into the #5 slot, and lets see how they do.
This seems to be where he’s heading. Don’t like it one bit if true.
by ThundaPC on Jul 20, 2008 4:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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