Today's Fun Fact
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 6:54 PM PDT
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PrintSince Edgar said his final goodbye at the end of 2004, Mariner designated hitters have combined to put up a total batting line of .254/.317/.363 and a position-adjusted OPS+ of 74. This staggering display of consistent run production came for the low low cost of Chris Snelling, Emiliano Fruto, Shin-soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, and roughly twenty-one million dollars.
Over the same span of time, Darin Erstad has batted .271/.325/.380.
Designated hitters have one job. Their job is to hit.
Good eye for talent there, Bill.
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It's like those guys were cheap/free or something.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 17, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Here we go!
1. Pena believe that guy was so cheap?
2. I would Bradley have him on my team
3. Stairs no doubt he’d be better than our DH
4. It’s beCust of acquisitions like this that Billy Beane is known as a good GM
5. If you Ludwick other teams can find to fill positions other than DH you realize how easy it should be to find a decent DH
6. If we had picked him up cheap when he was released I would have Thomased not to make fun of the team for at least a week
7. I would Reedily DH him over Vidro any day of the week
8. I’m sure if Vidro were released, the locker room would have a better aroma; there’s nothing worse than Snelling a dirty Vidro
9. The Lambst thing I would want is for Vidro’s option to vest
10. (Bullshit there are no ethnic people on the Cardinals other than Izturis, Pujols, and Molina)
11. If I ever had a chance to Petagine’s bottle, one of my wishes would be for a new DH
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
15 minutes of hard thinking. Ludwick and Petagine are stretches but they're also damn hard
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You have a talent.
Not one that will ever bring you monetary gain, unfortunately.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 17, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the sort of talent which makes me want to stab things
by Graham MacAree on Jul 17, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It's pretty hard to have such shitty DHs for such a long time
We should applaud Bill for his efforts
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 7:36 PM PDT reply actions
Furries won't be funny again for quite sometime.
It was an acceptable casualty.
by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I hadn't touched a furry gif in months.....
Until my relapse yesterday.
By the way
Willie since Opening Day 2005: .260/.319/.314, but with a steal-adjusted* SLG of .361.
Had this team made Willie the everyday DH beginning in 2005, then over the past 3.5 years it would’ve been worse off by only a handful of runs.
Matthew talked about this earlier today
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't be a mod if you don't read every post.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 17, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It was on the main page.
You responded to it.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You responded to something said in the body of the post.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my God
You really are my Lit Prof, aren’t you?
by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I responded to nothing to do with SB-SLG
I commented Re: Giles —> Who knew?, I tried to penalty box Matthew, and I commented on Wilkerson’s surprising complete lack of power.
by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
My things I didn't read to passing grades received ratio would/would not astonish you.
by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You're supposed to read stuff in Lit classes?
I just sucked up to the teacher and coasted to an A.
You had Lit classes in a Computer Science degree?
Lame
by Graham MacAree on Jul 17, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
^shrug^
It was me and 10 freshman/sophomore girls with a female grad student teacher.
I’m not complaining.
It's amazing they all synced up
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
We do it so we don't inflict the bitchiness on our own kind.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 17, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It flies in the face of my experience in general with women.
But I was trying to be good to my gender.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 17, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was funny too
I just couldn’t think of a better response.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 17, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Which could, perhaps, be taken the wrong way.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 17, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
My first post was epic
and encouraged on-topicness.
by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I miss gamethreads
I’m going to only do on topic comments for the first 3 game threads back
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I never used to understand why DMZ was so obsessed with
I’m starting to understand, though.
Oh, perfect, you can't use fucking brackets now?
“Why DMZ was so obsessed with ‘Deleted, Off Topic’
so drunk…. so very, very drunk.
Yeah
Once you grant it even the slightest opportunity, it’s nigh impossible to stop the avalanche.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hockey off-topic is always welcome off-topic
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
But enforcement is the key
I’d exempt ancient history, but then, that’s self-serving.
I have years of experience letting this place police itself.
Enforcement is an unfamiliar step to take. I’m still learning.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the penalty box but it doesn't seem to be working.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I don't mean to sugges that you just adopt
USSM’s policy.
But daaaamn. Something?
Measures will be taken.
I just have to think/talk them over with a few people.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The freedom is kinda what makes this place so great
That doesn’t mean that freedom should be limitless of course because it can get totally out of control…but too much moderation does put a damper on the creativity of the comments along with stopping off-topicness.
I like discussing baseball a hell of a lot more than I like going off-topic, but when there isn’t a lot worth discussing about the baseball that’s being played by this team….It gets harder.
When ~every single thread goes off topic within 20 minutes, there's too much freedom
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree there is definitely a problem
I just don’t think going completely overboard like the way Dave and DMZ moderate USSM is necessarily a good idea. I think most of the people who tend to take these things off-topic are regular posters who like the blog and can be reasoned with or if not, mocked into submission for off-topic posts.
I’m cool with not going off-topic anymore, I preferred it when things were mostly baseball related around here.
This isn't a black and white issue
Going the USSM approach and giving everyone limitless freedom are not the only two options here.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, it was just this comment that kinda worried me
Once you grant it even the slightest opportunity, it’s nigh impossible to stop the avalanche
I’m just saying that the regular posters here are probably more attached to this site than most other posters on most other sites and they’re probably willing to temper their posting when requested seriously without needing to moderate all that much.
I think the penalty boxing is viewed kind-of as a game right now and maybe it should be applied with a little more seriousness in cases where you want things to be kept on topic…
Unfortunately penalty boxing only really affects people who constantly post
so I think I’m going to have to make the sentences way longer.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is, you guys have kinda turned penalty boxing
into it’s own little “haha this is funny” kinda meme.
One Vision, One Purpose
Peace Through Power
it's a very valuable tool, not a meme
You could always go on an escalating scale – 5 min first offense, 30 min second offense, 4 hr third offense, 24 hr fourth. Fifth is a ban.
Yes, they’re long time periods. That’s the point.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
My boxes are rarely under 5 mins
They’d have a better impact during game threads when the offenders are trying to post frequently.
There's some posts/threads where I think it can be okay to go off-topic.
Then there are posts/threads where it isn’t okay, such as the “What Went Wrong” posts Matthew just put up.
Series Preview posts generally have the green light since nobody cares about the games anymore
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
For the love of God, can we at least pay attention during Felix Day?
That would go a long ways to helping this place out.
Felix Days are rarely a problem.
If you pay attention to the game threads, it’s actually rather hilarious how well people stay on topic until the second Felix gets yanked.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't decide if that would be good or bad for us
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
On the one hand, we'd be paying attention to games and staying a bit more on topic.
On the other hand, that’s a hell of a lot of negative GTE to endure.
GTE was a whole other problem earlier in the season
I, for one, am glad that it’s gone away.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
God that was awful.
I’m glad I missed the first two game threads of the season to actually…you know…go to the games.
Game threads are going to be a huge problem if and when this team ever contends
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I fear what happens when we're a contender
and the bandwagonners show up.
The constant stream of comments makes it impossible to follow both the thread and the game
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I like to write and I like to penalize people for shitty comments
Unfortunately I cannot do both. At least, not well.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You guys hereby have free reign to moderate whenever you feel it is necessary
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You keep saying that
and then you leave us hanging at the end of the night.
Damn mixed messages!!
Perhaps you need to do what the USSM did
and get a dedicated gamethread moderator or two.
Not even joking right now
A combination of JI and/or me are around for every gamethread and we know what is acceptable here. If it ever really came to it you could entrust us and not have to worry about us going over board. This works with any of the other regulars here (Pdb, MarcW, etc)
I can try to keep posts like Matthew's on topic
or the tRA stuff, but I’m almost never around for game threads.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
General rule
people trying to be funny = unfunny.
Yeah....
I miss the kind of GTE that re-emerged in the Felix GS gamethread though.
That GTE was natural and organic
Earlier in the season way too many people were trying to force it in an effort to one-up each other. The results were bad.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
When GTE devolves into blatant racism and bigotry
it’s a problem.
I'm pretty sure that was just butthol
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, butthol's screenname has been permanently banned.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless being Robertbaited I try to stay away from posting in threads that you put effort into.
And I have been advocating a daily link dump like AN has for a while. Let the masses run wild there and you shouldn’t have problems in threads like this.
I think this is becoming a problem.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jul 17, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This might be a good idea
Provide an offtopic Fanpost for people to just talk in every few days or whatever and get it all out of their system/satisfy their boredom while moderating the serious threads a bit more.
This idea has come up before
I will have to give it serious thought.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems odd at first thought, but it might be wise.
We all dig talking to each other about random shit, but it does tend to water down the comments in the more informative posts.
On the plus side, the hardcore Data Fairy posts seem to survive
That’s a good sign.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
A friend asked me to explain tRA today, and I got to “it assigns run values to each outcome in an at-bat, and then . . . I don’t know. It makes sense when I read it, but my brain doesn’t hold it. But it’s good, I swear.”
I'm actually starting to get it I think
When the concept first came up I was completely lost on the whole thing, mostly because of my inherent stat prejudices I think, but it makes perfect sense now.
I try not to post too much in those, because I'm learning rather than getting it yet.
But I read them and appreciate them and enjoy the on-topic discussion in those posts.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 18, 2008 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Over at Blazers Edge,
Dave throws up a Junk Drawer Fanpost daily so folks can go OT in there to their heart’s content.
What else can be said about this?
The team has been terrible at filling a position that should be easy to fill.
I'm starting to think we're better off just trading Ibanez this month
and finding some scrap reject to rotate through DH next year.
Wouldn't be that hard.
And that would free up money for a certain other SP…
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything leftover is put straight into building the medical staff
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
If that happens we should trade RRS
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to explain myself
If we get Burnett and Sheets, we’d have this rotation (assuming no Bedard trade):
1. Felix
2. Bedard
3. Sheets
4. Burnett
The fifth spot should either go to Dickey or Morrow, Morrow to get experience as a starter and Dickey for being a solid #5. It shouldn’t go to RRS because Morrow has a ton more potential and if he isn’t the #5, he will eventually supplant the #5. Dickey is also a great long relief pitcher (as we have seen), so he could go back there., but if you truly believe RRS has the ability to become a #3/4 pitcher, it’d be a waste to have him out of the rotation and in the bullpen. This is why we would need to free him
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously though, is there any chance we can move him to some other team, say, next season?
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we could unload him if we agreed to eat a large portion of it...
It’s a sunk cost anyways…
No reason to do that.
He’s perfectly fine as a back end SP.
I would find that absolutely hilarious and so would you
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope LeeP signs him on his last as interim GM
before Chris Antonetti is supposed to take over and then Antonetti says WTF and backs out of the job.
I want this team to either be as great or as shitty as possible
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Which part is bad,
1) defense overrated 2) batting average unsustainable 3) contract/year is too high?
Also better than Juan Pierre
in that “Somewhat preferable to being castrated by Divine’s teeth” sort of way.
(q: Divine’s been dead for two decades. A: exactly)
by marc w on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's something I'm wondering...
Look at all the deals for 4 (arbitration years not counting) years or more in the past 20 years or so, how many were busts, and how many were good deals, as in underpaid. I can only think of Steve Nash off the top of my deal, and that’s not baseball.
Yeah, I know there are lots of busts.
I meant, I wonder what the distribution is like. 30% overpaid, 68% ok deal, 2% underpaid?
If you're making an FA deal for 4+ years
you’re sort of taking ‘underpaid’ off the table. That’s not a criticism, that’s what both parties would agree is happening.
My sense is that the ‘overpaid’ is slightly higher, esp. so for pitchers, with hitters coming in around your percentages…
That is a concern.
Though a one year deal wouldn’t be horrid.
Miami has had a worse time with QB's
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions
Of course, unlike quarterbacks, decent designated hitter candidates might as well grow on trees
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 17, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
This is true
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Another way that they are dissimilar to DHs is that quarterbacks don't play baseball.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 17, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No shit, I was hoping to snap the ball off the mound.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You are really unfunny
and not very pleasant to talk to. Has anyone told you this before?
The poster formerly known as Matt.
Mean is one thing, that wasn't really mean.
Non-mods or admins shouldn’t try to enforce the rules. They can do it without our help
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jul 17, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, it seemed kinda mean to me
But you’re right, we shouldn’t be mini-modding. /withdrawn
my apologies.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine if we had all those guys back
Chris Snelling, Emiliano Fruto, Shin-soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera
And then traded all 4 guys away in a trade right now?
I seriously wonder what the Mariner’s could get for them…
Yeah, the key is:
How many of the assembled need surgery/are out due to injury?
Cabrera is clearly the most valuable. The rest are just filler.
Snelling comes with a free punchard with 10 of 12 already punched out. 12th MRI is free!!
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 18, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Their potentials were high
but most of them didn’t mount to anything, thanks to injuries and such. I guess you have to look at the deals for what they were at the time to determine if it was a good deal or not, just like the Garcia trade a few years back.
JI/Robert '08!
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