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Since Edgar said his final goodbye at the end of 2004, Mariner designated hitters have combined to put up a total batting line of .254/.317/.363 and a position-adjusted OPS+ of 74. This staggering display of consistent run production came for the low low cost of Chris Snelling, Emiliano Fruto, Shin-soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, and roughly twenty-one million dollars.

Over the same span of time, Darin Erstad has batted .271/.325/.380.

Designated hitters have one job. Their job is to hit.

Good eye for talent there, Bill.

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1. Pena believe that guy was so cheap?
2. I would Bradley have him on my team
3. Stairs no doubt he’d be better than our DH
4. It’s beCust of acquisitions like this that Billy Beane is known as a good GM
5. If you Ludwick other teams can find to fill positions other than DH you realize how easy it should be to find a decent DH
6. If we had picked him up cheap when he was released I would have Thomased not to make fun of the team for at least a week
7. I would Reedily DH him over Vidro any day of the week
8. I’m sure if Vidro were released, the locker room would have a better aroma; there’s nothing worse than Snelling a dirty Vidro
9. The Lambst thing I would want is for Vidro’s option to vest
10. (Bullshit there are no ethnic people on the Cardinals other than Izturis, Pujols, and Molina)
11. If I ever had a chance to Petagine’s bottle, one of my wishes would be for a new DH

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

By the way

Willie since Opening Day 2005: .260/.319/.314, but with a steal-adjusted* SLG of .361.

Had this team made Willie the everyday DH beginning in 2005, then over the past 3.5 years it would’ve been worse off by only a handful of runs.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 8:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh my God

You really are my Lit Prof, aren’t you?

by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I responded to nothing to do with SB-SLG

I commented Re: Giles —> Who knew?, I tried to penalty box Matthew, and I commented on Wilkerson’s surprising complete lack of power.

by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're supposed to read stuff in Lit classes?

I just sucked up to the teacher and coasted to an A.

by Matthew on Jul 17, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

^shrug^

It was me and 10 freshman/sophomore girls with a female grad student teacher.

I’m not complaining.

by Matthew on Jul 17, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My first post was epic

and encouraged on-topicness.

by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, perfect, you can't use fucking brackets now?

“Why DMZ was so obsessed with ‘Deleted, Off Topic’

so drunk…. so very, very drunk.

by marc w on Jul 17, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Once you grant it even the slightest opportunity, it’s nigh impossible to stop the avalanche.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But enforcement is the key

I’d exempt ancient history, but then, that’s self-serving.

by marc w on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have years of experience letting this place police itself.

Enforcement is an unfamiliar step to take. I’m still learning.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Measures will be taken.

I just have to think/talk them over with a few people.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The freedom is kinda what makes this place so great

That doesn’t mean that freedom should be limitless of course because it can get totally out of control…but too much moderation does put a damper on the creativity of the comments along with stopping off-topicness.

I like discussing baseball a hell of a lot more than I like going off-topic, but when there isn’t a lot worth discussing about the baseball that’s being played by this team….It gets harder.

by OlSalty on Jul 17, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree there is definitely a problem

I just don’t think going completely overboard like the way Dave and DMZ moderate USSM is necessarily a good idea. I think most of the people who tend to take these things off-topic are regular posters who like the blog and can be reasoned with or if not, mocked into submission for off-topic posts.

I’m cool with not going off-topic anymore, I preferred it when things were mostly baseball related around here.

by OlSalty on Jul 17, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't a black and white issue

Going the USSM approach and giving everyone limitless freedom are not the only two options here.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, it was just this comment that kinda worried me

Once you grant it even the slightest opportunity, it’s nigh impossible to stop the avalanche

I’m just saying that the regular posters here are probably more attached to this site than most other posters on most other sites and they’re probably willing to temper their posting when requested seriously without needing to moderate all that much.

I think the penalty boxing is viewed kind-of as a game right now and maybe it should be applied with a little more seriousness in cases where you want things to be kept on topic…

by OlSalty on Jul 17, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately penalty boxing only really affects people who constantly post

so I think I’m going to have to make the sentences way longer.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is, you guys have kinda turned penalty boxing

into it’s own little “haha this is funny” kinda meme.

One Vision, One Purpose
Peace Through Power

by Goose on Jul 18, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a very valuable tool, not a meme

You could always go on an escalating scale – 5 min first offense, 30 min second offense, 4 hr third offense, 24 hr fourth. Fifth is a ban.

Yes, they’re long time periods. That’s the point.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 18, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My boxes are rarely under 5 mins

They’d have a better impact during game threads when the offenders are trying to post frequently.

by Matthew on Jul 18, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's some posts/threads where I think it can be okay to go off-topic.

Then there are posts/threads where it isn’t okay, such as the “What Went Wrong” posts Matthew just put up.

by BrianL on Jul 17, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix Days are rarely a problem.

If you pay attention to the game threads, it’s actually rather hilarious how well people stay on topic until the second Felix gets yanked.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the one hand, we'd be paying attention to games and staying a bit more on topic.

On the other hand, that’s a hell of a lot of negative GTE to endure.

by BrianL on Jul 17, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GTE was a whole other problem earlier in the season

I, for one, am glad that it’s gone away.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God that was awful.

I’m glad I missed the first two game threads of the season to actually…you know…go to the games.

by BrianL on Jul 17, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to write and I like to penalize people for shitty comments

Unfortunately I cannot do both. At least, not well.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps you need to do what the USSM did

and get a dedicated gamethread moderator or two.

by BrianL on Jul 17, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not even joking right now

A combination of JI and/or me are around for every gamethread and we know what is acceptable here. If it ever really came to it you could entrust us and not have to worry about us going over board. This works with any of the other regulars here (Pdb, MarcW, etc)

by Robert on Jul 18, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can try to keep posts like Matthew's on topic

or the tRA stuff, but I’m almost never around for game threads.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 18, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless being Robertbaited I try to stay away from posting in threads that you put effort into.

And I have been advocating a daily link dump like AN has for a while. Let the masses run wild there and you shouldn’t have problems in threads like this.

by Robert on Jul 18, 2008 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is becoming a problem.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 17, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Matthew even provided an off-topic thread!

In which I bitched like a child over TV awards.

by Teej on Jul 17, 2008 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might be a good idea

Provide an offtopic Fanpost for people to just talk in every few days or whatever and get it all out of their system/satisfy their boredom while moderating the serious threads a bit more.

by OlSalty on Jul 17, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This idea has come up before

I will have to give it serious thought.

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems odd at first thought, but it might be wise.

We all dig talking to each other about random shit, but it does tend to water down the comments in the more informative posts.

by Teej on Jul 17, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

A friend asked me to explain tRA today, and I got to “it assigns run values to each outcome in an at-bat, and then . . . I don’t know. It makes sense when I read it, but my brain doesn’t hold it. But it’s good, I swear.”

by Teej on Jul 17, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually starting to get it I think

When the concept first came up I was completely lost on the whole thing, mostly because of my inherent stat prejudices I think, but it makes perfect sense now.

by OlSalty on Jul 17, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I try not to post too much in those, because I'm learning rather than getting it yet.

But I read them and appreciate them and enjoy the on-topic discussion in those posts.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 18, 2008 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over at Blazers Edge,

Dave throws up a Junk Drawer Fanpost daily so folks can go OT in there to their heart’s content.

by coolguyrob on Jul 18, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to think we're better off just trading Ibanez this month

and finding some scrap reject to rotate through DH next year.

by Matthew on Jul 17, 2008 8:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't be that hard.

And that would free up money for a certain other SP…

by Jeff on Jul 17, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to explain myself

If we get Burnett and Sheets, we’d have this rotation (assuming no Bedard trade):

1. Felix
2. Bedard
3. Sheets
4. Burnett

The fifth spot should either go to Dickey or Morrow, Morrow to get experience as a starter and Dickey for being a solid #5. It shouldn’t go to RRS because Morrow has a ton more potential and if he isn’t the #5, he will eventually supplant the #5. Dickey is also a great long relief pitcher (as we have seen), so he could go back there., but if you truly believe RRS has the ability to become a #3/4 pitcher, it’d be a waste to have him out of the rotation and in the bullpen. This is why we would need to free him

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jul 17, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope LeeP signs him on his last as interim GM

before Chris Antonetti is supposed to take over and then Antonetti says WTF and backs out of the job.

by Matthew on Jul 17, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like Rowand a lot.

What’s his contract anyways? Is he a good deal?

by LantermanC on Jul 17, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which part is bad,

1) defense overrated 2) batting average unsustainable 3) contract/year is too high?

by LantermanC on Jul 17, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also better than Juan Pierre

in that “Somewhat preferable to being castrated by Divine’s teeth” sort of way.

(q: Divine’s been dead for two decades. A: exactly)

by marc w on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here's something I'm wondering...

Look at all the deals for 4 (arbitration years not counting) years or more in the past 20 years or so, how many were busts, and how many were good deals, as in underpaid. I can only think of Steve Nash off the top of my deal, and that’s not baseball.

by LantermanC on Jul 17, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know there are lots of busts.

I meant, I wonder what the distribution is like. 30% overpaid, 68% ok deal, 2% underpaid?

by LantermanC on Jul 17, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're making an FA deal for 4+ years

you’re sort of taking ‘underpaid’ off the table. That’s not a criticism, that’s what both parties would agree is happening.

My sense is that the ‘overpaid’ is slightly higher, esp. so for pitchers, with hitters coming in around your percentages…

by marc w on Jul 17, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO NO NO

STAB STAB STAB

by OlSalty on Jul 17, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck this thread

the Who are on. I won’t brb.

by JI on Jul 17, 2008 8:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Miami has had a worse time with QB's

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is true

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No shit, I was hoping to snap the ball off the mound.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are really unfunny

and not very pleasant to talk to. Has anyone told you this before?

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jul 17, 2008 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mean is one thing, that wasn't really mean.

Non-mods or admins shouldn’t try to enforce the rules. They can do it without our help

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 17, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, it seemed kinda mean to me

But you’re right, we shouldn’t be mini-modding. /withdrawn

by OlSalty on Jul 17, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my apologies.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine if we had all those guys back

Chris Snelling, Emiliano Fruto, Shin-soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera

And then traded all 4 guys away in a trade right now?

I seriously wonder what the Mariner’s could get for them…

by mark sobba on Jul 17, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the key is:

How many of the assembled need surgery/are out due to injury?

Cabrera is clearly the most valuable. The rest are just filler.

by marc w on Jul 17, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their potentials were high

but most of them didn’t mount to anything, thanks to injuries and such. I guess you have to look at the deals for what they were at the time to determine if it was a good deal or not, just like the Garcia trade a few years back.

JI/Robert '08!

by Fin on Jul 17, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the $21 million

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 18, 2008 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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