Ibanez and Beltre Rumors
by sixth on Jul 14, 2008 10:30 AM PDT
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The SB Nation fantasy site, Faketeams, has reported that teams are interested in acquiring Raul Ibanez or Adrian Beltre before the trade deadline.
This article contains quotes from local newspapers indicating interest in Ibanez from the Mets and D-Backs. It also reports that the twins have an interest in Adrian Beltre.
Should these rumors prove true, what kind of value do you think we could get for either of these players? I would be sad to see Beltre go, I'm a fan of him, although if we got a 1st baseman and maybe some prospects for Ibanez I'd be ecstatic. Any players in particular on the interested teams you think we could get/would like to see us get?
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According to ESPN:
The Twins have contacted the Mariners about the possibility of aquiring Adrian Beltre. It is unclear how deep the conversation got, but it is a step forward as the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported last week that the Twins had internal discussions about Beltre.
Beltre, who was a Gold Glove winner last year, would be the bat the Twins are looking for against left-handed pitching.
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I think Ibanez would fit well in LF for Baltimore
We could get some of their top prospects back, starting with RHP Chris Tillman, who is tearing up AA and LHP Tony Butler who is projectable.
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Only if they throw in their closer, because he'd made a great LOOGY
I like that young center fielder they have too. I think he’d upgrade an outfield spot with us.
by Gomez on Jul 14, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We shouldn't ask for too much
we might upset their owner and delay the deal for weeks and weeks
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sure it wasn't more like
Minneapolis newspaper editor “Hey, are the Twins looking to pick up anyone?”
Minneapolis newspaper write “I don’t know, but I’ve always liked that Beltre player.”
Minneapolis newspaper editor “Sounds good, write it up.”
by LantermanC on Jul 14, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hm.. wrong reply...
this should be in response to seattlebruin’s response to brianl.
by LantermanC on Jul 14, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Beltre rumor is stupid and not a rumor.
by Matthew on Jul 14, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Twins recently contacted Seattle to inquire about third baseman Adrian Beltre
sounds like a rumor to me
by sixth on Jul 14, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams contact each other all the time
Most of this correspondence leads nowhere.
by Gomez on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's how this inquiry went:
Twins GM: Hey we’re interested in Beltre. How does (Prospect name here) and (Prospect/crappy ML player name here) sound? You’ll have to pay (X amount of dollars here), though.
Lee: Go away.
by BrianL on Jul 14, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was more like
Twins assistant to the assistant GM: Hey, Adrian Beltre is pretty good and maybe undervalued
Twins assistant GM: Yeah he is
The end.
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors are always stupid. Regardless of who's involved.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost always true.
At least two sided rumors usually give some glean of info.
This is one-sided. It’s worthless.
by Matthew on Jul 14, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured it was a "thought combination" error...
I always like those. Like you were thinking about “gleaning” some information. So when you tried to type “gleam” you instead typed “glean.” Like a spoonerism or a Freudian slip (but of the non-embarrassing variety.)
by johnbai on Jul 14, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These diaries make me want to beat my head into a wall.
If I want to see what moronictraderumorsthatcouldbeplausibleifyousquint.com has to say, I’ll go there.
I wonder if the smarter FOs send a couple interns out into the blagoweb to sow seeds of misinformation about trades, so that the ESPNs and other assorted idiots of the world publish it and push things in their direction.
by Faux on Jul 14, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We sure have talked about baseball a lot around here today
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like beer.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I also like basketball
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock music is neat.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego > Seattle > Portland > San Francisco > Los Angeles > the rest of the cities on the West Coast
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
... I'm not sure if this is seattlebruin-baiting or not =(
I’ve repeatedly professed that of the rest of SoCal, Irvine would be pretty far up the list of places I’d want to live
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't. I generally glaze over CA-related city discussions.
I just recently heard that Irvine was a really nice area.
by Matthew on Jul 14, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Irvine is very nice
lacking any real individuality, but a very well planned city that’s reasonably close to both LA and SD
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But not those sellout bands, only indie bands.
by Faux on Jul 14, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I've heard of that band, I hate it
I’m only into obscure Vietnamese pop bands that eight people have heard of.
and yes, I actually have a friend like this.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't that mean that your friend can never tell anyone about his bands
because he would risk more than eight people having heard of them?
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
It gives him a chance to feel superior to everybody that hasn’t heard of them. He doesn’t actually offer to give anybody any of his music, see. It’s all about indie hipster douchebagism.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never ever ever ever understood people like this.
I like a lot of really random obscure shit, but I want everyone else to like it, too. Most of my friends probably think of me as annoying guy who’s always trying to give them weird music they don’t care about.
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the idea is
that people feel special knowing about a band that very few other people are into. Like they have a connection with the band, or that it’s a secret that only they are privy to.
btw, discussing the merits of indie music on a baseball blog > talking about stupid rumors ever.
by katal on Jul 14, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I understand the motivations those people have.
I just don’t understand why people would prefer to keep things like that to themselves. Maybe it comes from being in a band and seeing things from that point of view, but if you like a band and appreciate what they do, wouldn’t you want them to do well? Shouldn’t their talent and hard work be rewarded? That’s why it bugs me so much, and it seems like the kind of person pdb is describing is likely the kind of person that’s never been in a working band, which is a big part of the reason why I can’t stand shit like that.
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
usually I agree
but look at what happened to Chappelle’s Show
by JI on Jul 14, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Nirvana, in a way.
I think that when you’re talking about super obscure music, though, the odds of it ever becoming widely popular are pretty small. Point taken, though.
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it wasn't for Nirvana
I would have never had the absolutely sublime experience of seeing the Vaselines on Saturday.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm rarely "that guy"
you know, the guy that says “Man, you shoulda been there” but I had that experience TWICE on Saturday – with both The Fluid and the Vaselines.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, didn't go Sunday.
That was the only band I was really keen on seeing Sunday, so I didn’t get a ticket. Kinda regret that one, but not enough to justify a second day standing in the sun.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Green River is also one of those bands that's more important than they are really great.
I like them a lot, but Mudhoney is all the good things about Green River, fewer of the bad things, and still relevant.
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And still pretty fantastic live, too
A friend of mine (not the hipster douchebag one) went to the Fluid/Green River show at the Sunset, and said that Green River was kinda flat; not bad, but not amazing either.
I’ve seen Mudhoney more times than I can count, and they’re always on their game; Mark Arm is a great lead guy. Sorta Iggy Pop-ish without the random violence and with a better sense of humor.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still miss Matt Lukin.
I heard about that show at the Sunset, but the only person I know that could have gotten me into it had to work that night. I need to make more well connected friends.
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulda let me know
my friend that got in is friends with two of the Fastbacks, which is how he got in, and he’s always schmoozing his way into stuff. I should connect the two of you one of these days – I used to be one of his “I have a spare ticket” guys but I live in Portland so that makes it tricky.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh, my boss is friends with Kurt and (I think) Kim.
Does he happen to be the general manager of a three-store video rental company?
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does not.
He’s a stay at home dad who I have known for many years, who just moved back to Seattle with his wife and new baby; he has no real connection to the music industry, it’s just that he and I went to almost every Fastbacks show between 1990 and when they broke up, and he’s more into meeting/hanging out with bands than I am so he became friends with Kurt and Kim a while back.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, because that would have been pretty weird.
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
It is a small world, but not quite that small, I guess…
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did you think of Eric's Trip?
inquiring fanboy minds want to know….
by marc w on Jul 14, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Showed up late, missed most of them
which was annoying. But what I heard was quite good.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Green River was awesome at SubPop20
They were putting their all into the show. Absolutely fantastic.
by katal on Jul 14, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no...
He’s never been in a well-known band, but he’s been in the same band now for about 10 years I think. They play around the NW quite a bit. Despite his tendency to hipster douchebagism, he’s a cool guy. But he’s never introduced me to a band, that’s not his “thing” apparently…
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Not him.
Not naming names here. But I do dislike Viva Voce, so that’s something I guess.
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by pdb on Jul 14, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a guy at the show this weekend with a cool shirt
“I listen to bands that don’t even exist yet”
by katal on Jul 14, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like music.
I particularly like rock and roll music.
(Anyone who knows where that is from is awesome and also, zomg no politics.)
by acblue on Jul 14, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG FFXIII GOING MULTIPLATFORM
IT IS TEH DEATH OF CONSOLE EXCLUSIVITY
by BrianL on Jul 14, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen a halo on a PS3
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 14, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was different
and interesting.
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the second part is key
There’s not much to say about this team that hasn’t been said.
by JI on Jul 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it's different,
then by definition it hasn’t been said =/
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by seattlebruin on Jul 14, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is key to the explanation.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 14, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my defence both JI and LFOJL have been gone as well.
by Robert on Jul 14, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're spelling like Graham. And JI has been talking baseball.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 14, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always try to talk baseball
but suggesting others to entertain me is just too tempting
by JI on Jul 14, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could always read your mind.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 14, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would have been correct 4 hours ago
...down to the three players involved in the picture.
I’m assuming NOLA helped.
by JI on Jul 14, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That one I did not manage to read.
I think creating a fan post interfered with my receptors.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 14, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would talk baseball if moderately interesting
Not even good just interesting. I’m almost in full on Seahawks mode.
by Robert on Jul 14, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could study up on your new hockey team.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 14, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How excited should I be for Darrell Jackson?
Go Nova
by dbroncos31 on Jul 14, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hawks pull WRs out of nowhere all the time
I’d imagine by Week 1 this team will have 3 useful wideouts. Hasselbeck’s requirements for a wideout are ‘can run route, can catch ball’.
by Gomez on Jul 15, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ibanez
If the Mets or Snakes want Ibanez, then Pelekoudas should drive Ibanez to Sea-Tac. He’s worth something to an alleged NL Contender.
by Jmnor8 on Jul 14, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends where he is put defensively and what his role is, and who he's replacing.
He is almost certain to be overvalued—which is good assuming he is no longer Mr. Mariner.
by JI on Jul 14, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine a single piece of our team being overvalued, but with his contract
he might be the only one. Maybe Shawn Green, oh and definetely Rhodes. Okay, so I hadn’t thought it through. I just fear we are going to get hosed around every corner. We can’t make change for a dollar at a bank, so to speak. I suppose it will take a few years for us to gain some credibility in the trading sector.
As much as we need his left handed bat, I don’t trust this org to be irrationally attached to him and go all ‘Kenji extension’ on us. Trade him now for what ever he’s worth. He’s got a good contract and solid MLB career numbers ‘on the back of his baseball card’. Now, guess what he’s got to do…that’s right…play up to those numbers…its that easy.
I feel like we end up saying this every fricken year, but we REALLY need to stock pile some left handed bats, Lee. How the hell can Oakland have two NEW lefties every year it seems? Clement/Raben is a start, but we need MORE. Are we destined to continually produce the Reed’s, LaHair’s, and Cruz Jr’s rather than the Giambi’s, Swisher’s, and who, Lansford’s? I know we produced on of the best lefties of all time, BUT we haven’t had much luck since he left. OTHER teams lefties don’t seem to have a problem hitting here. Now I’m just whining.
Not sure what to think about the Beltre rumors. He’s nearly irreplaceable, but 15 million can do wonders. I really don’t want us to trade him, though, not with his connection with red and being awesome and stuff.
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by Montucky on Jul 15, 2008 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
When did we pick up Shawn Green?
by AZSEAfan on Jul 15, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the whole season has been a Jewish holiday cause I haven't seen him step on the field yet.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 15, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh shit..
I MEANT Sean Green. Are you familiar with him?
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by Montucky on Jul 15, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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