7/13: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
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PrintSeattle Mariners at Kansas City Royals, Jul 13, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
This is sure to leave a great taste in our mouths over the four-day break.
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This is a truly horrible match-up.
The real loser here is baseball itself.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 13, 2008 10:16 AM PDT reply actions
I should go seek him out.
He’s probably in the city, right?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Missed Connection
You: 23Ks, darling smile, great sense of slider.
Me: Star struck, eager to please…
I had to Google this to find out that it's a Craigslist joke.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it?
I was going for general personal ad joke.
In all fairness he might very well be one of the 9 best position players on the team
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Lineup
Ichiro RF
Lopez DH
Ibanez LF
Beltre 3B
Reed CF
Willie 2B
Clement C
Cairo 1B
Betancourt SS
They just mentioned people givingTug's nickname as "Tuglett".
Pre-game radio show – Drayer and the gang.
I think I'll do something else today.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
I just set my alarm so I could watch Carlos Silva face the Royals.
If they ever invent a time machine, future Jeff is going to come back to today and punch me in the face.
You had to set your alarm for an 11am game?
I’ve been up for 5 hours already.
I could never do that,
but I don’t like to even sleep in past 10am or so anymore on weekends because it’s too difficult to shift to getting up at 8 on weekdays.
I hate what my life has become at my age. I should be getting piss drunk on Wednesdays and waking up at noon.
I despise that this might be true.
Though you don’t live with as much Old Rasputin as I do.
Combined we make .68 lives.
If you factor Graham in, we’re up to 1.12.
Remember that one time something happened? And we were there?
That was incredible.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Ichiro is so finished. We should trade him because he's declining and he'll be bad
before the team can compete again.
Wouldn't a Christmas ham be chock full of grace?
Being Christmas and all?
Perfect.
Not only do we get the Jews killed Jesus thing, there’s also the Christmas bonus, plus it’s a ham so it’s unclean AND it’s ungraceful since Jews have no rhythm.
It’s like killing a whole orphanage with just one shoulder-launched ATW!
Jarrod Washburn and Jose Lopez for Chris Duncan and Jamie Garcia
I never thought I’d say this but Dave Cameron is extremely wrong.
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I'm unconvinced that this helps St. Louis in any way shape or form.
They don’t need either.
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My bulk mail has been making a lot of promises recently about panda research
this seems an odd blend of keywords.
It seems like a bad idea to play Doug Mientkiewicz at 3rd.
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Carlos Silva has to be the stupidest FA signing in history.
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I bet you could make a case that this is stupider but will yield less bad results.
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You could, but it would be a bad case.
Barry Zito was everything that is wrong with pitching analysis wrapped up in a 7 year 100+ million dollar bow
Yes
but with Silva you are knowingly giving money to a pitcher that you know is mediocre.
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It shows the willingness to spend money on players you know are bad
for the sake of spending money.
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I dunno, I bet they did
look at his ERAs.
And if not, why must everyone assume that players can always repeat their career years?
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4.21, 3.44, 5.94, 4.19
They just minimalized 2006.
Yes, but it doesn't work with the old FO.
They were just that stupid.
I'm starting to think that they aren't groundballs at all.
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Carlos Silva has good command.
I mean, if I knew what command was, I would know that Silva has a good amount of it.
Someone should have posted a link to that pretty picture of the dartboard.
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He would be exactly the same.
He would seem a lot better.
He'd be the same
his ERA would be a touch lower.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian Barton
the tipoff is that he’s black
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
He's the most scholarly 5th OFer in the history of baseball.
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To you ever make a gif of his swing and miss from the other night?
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Was it hysterical?
I heard the call on the radio only.
I gathered, I just wanted to see the pitch.
By the radio call it was like intentional ball outside
Are you taking care of this .gif or should I get on it?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Adrian K's on a slider??
I’m shocked.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
I disapprove.
The pitcher went to 3-0 for a reason. Shitty control. It’s unlikely he’ll now throw 3 straight strikes.
But a good hitter sits on the 3-1 mistake
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Pitchers don't throw our hitters 3-1 mistake pitches.
They throw them 3-1 pitches on the fringe and the hitter chases.
Okay, yes, but that's just us being stupid
I’m speaking in generalities.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems like our hitters swing at a lot of 3-1 pitches after taking a called strike on 3-0 counts.
They do it because this is frequently a good idea. However our hitters are also outrageously stupid.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
However our hitters are also outrageously stupid.
I forgot what we’re talking about.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
My dinner last night was beer.
My breakfast this morning was wine.
Was your dinner Guinness?
Because it’s like a meal in a bottle!
...
...right!!
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I may or may not someday attempt to write an accurate review with nothing but cliches
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
You can do anything if you give 110%!
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems like the guy who turns the double play is always leading off the next inning
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Right after he was a defensive replacement.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
You never know what kinda craaaazy lineup is gonna play, WHEN RIGGLEMANIA IS RUNNIN' WILD BROTHER
Maybe we should produce a comedy film that would appeal to the M’s players with basic baseball fundamentals and plate patience that they would actually pay attention too.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
My something else is mad at me.
"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."
by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Take it for a walk.
Dogs like walks. It will forgive you.
I have the Pirates broadcast and this game on simultaneously.
there are so many dead silences that it’s not the least bit maddening.
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The funny thing is that Pineiro was on deck
and there were two down.
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I would find it highly unlikely
that he was anything but an outstanding defender.
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the first pun of a game thread makes me
more nervous than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs
What's the over/under on Cairo making 40 more starts at 1B?
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They're all over the place though. I just don't get it.
They’re farm animals. Domesticated. You live in farm/ranch country. You see them all the time!
I'm guessing it's kind of like a dog show
Where they show off how well-bred the cattle is or whatever.
That's part of it.
I don’t care unless the better breeds taste better.
bahahahahahaha
The Phillies have reportedly entered the running for Rockies’ left-handed reliever Brian Fuentes.
The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that the Rockies are asking for RHP Carlos Carrasco or catcher Lou Marson, the Phillies’ two top prospects.
He was scoffing at the Rays playoff chances in his usual dickish tone.
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Beltre hanging his head as he walks slowly towards Buck...
It amuses me more than it should.
I wish we could merge frames from the Seattle broadcast.
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I expect the LL gif wing to be named after me once I die.
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What the hell are you talking about?
It’s going to be the Jeff Sullivan Memorial Awesome Wing.
He already has his wing in the HOF
he should feel lucky.
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"The one run he gave up was on a groundball."
No, Mike, the one run he gave up was on a line drive, a groundball and another groundball.
Nobody except Mark Langston gives up a run based on a single groundball.
WE MUST PLAY MORE LIKE THE ANGELS
THEY PUT THE GAME IN MOTION AND GO FROM FIRST TO THIRD
We play small baseball like it's going out of style
....because it is.
I never got this expression.
Seems like there would be a reason that something’s going out of style. Why do it more?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It's akin to killing a meme
It seemed like a good idea once but we’re just too dumb to know when enough is enough.
Yes, Royals color guy
it is amazing that when you draft good players they come together and you play good
Attorney General Rob McKenna and Scruff McGruff
are telling me that there are strangers on the internet who want to do bad things to me.
Robert would also have been acceptable
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the answer to raising children is to spy on their computer activities.
Because teaching them to not be stupid and then trusting them to apply those lessons would be too difficult.
You know, the All Star lineups are pretty damn solid.
Much better than usual.
"If you throw a good pitch he'll flick it into LF for a basehit, so just try throwing it down the middle."
Seems like a solid strategy to me.
I like the inplication that this is the first one that counted.
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I just noticed Omar Vizquel's line for the year..
Bocock would be an upgrade
err, don't look at those numbers yet.
Run/Out values haven’t been corrected for pre-07 years.
The cliches are killing me
by the way, Silva
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
according to BaseRuns
Oakland: 96 wins
Texas: 85 wins
Angels: 80 wins
Seattle: 69 wins
Because those people don't give him interviews
Baker really likes Silva and Jose Guillen. Know why? because they’re some of the only players who still want to talk to him.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not like it's going to do anything to you
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Jealousy. It's easy to hate guys with godly amounts of talent.
It’s easy to love guys with seemingly average skills because they’re easier to relate to.
My favorite part about this comment is that it was pre-emptive.
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Do you think the Royals would have allowed Ibanez to become the FOTF?
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Bavasi saying his biggest regret was letting Guillen walk
is still outrageously hilarious to me.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Are they running on Silva or Clement?
Doesn’t seem like Clement’s mechanics are poor.
It's almost always running on the pitcher
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Wonder what the Royals know that nobody else does
Silva’s only had 3 SBs against him in 2008 before today.
Its unbelievable how bad we are and I stupidly watch it almost every day.
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I'd like to see Good Willie price himself out of Seattle.
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Maybe he can work himself up to
Type A free agent on grit alone? Get us 2 draft picks? That’d be nice.
Maybe he can work himself up to
Type A free agent on grit alone? Get us 2 draft picks? That’d be nice.
21 hits in the last 19 games
i think were the stats for willie last nite…playing really does improve production
So Jeff Clement's BABIP is now .203, despite (slightly) lowering his K rate on his second callup.
He’s got a 20.3% LD rate to go with this.
I’d say this is as or more annoying than Beltre’s BABIP related struggles.
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Extremely extremely small sample size, but that looked good.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I went through the PITCHf/x of Tuglett's first at bat
that was awful.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this sentiment.
I have a stupid friend who calls me Jeffie and I want to punch her in the face.
I've seen for Jeffy FUNK BLASTS in person
than I have on tv
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I've actually seen all of the HRs he's hit at home in his whole career.
I can’t tell if you mean “more” or “four more” or what though.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I attend 1-2 games per season.
more impressive
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He's hit 2 at home this year and 2 at home last year.
I didn’t have Season tickets last year.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like a star.
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i think it has been my first here that has stayed on track and i have been able to follow what is going on!
(this is only about my fifth game thread here)
Lack of LFoJL and Robert.
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell these hitters are not good.
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Like that's stopped us losing all road trip long.
by eponymous_coward on Jul 13, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But usually our good pitchers get bad hitters out.
Except for Morrow, who understands the drive for Strasburg.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, please play traditional baseball wisdom and drop one down, DeJesus.
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UH OH
DeJesus is leading the league in hitting with RISP. But there isn’t 2 outs yet so he might not be engage his clutch drive.
Green in.
So, when does his arm fall off?
by eponymous_coward on Jul 13, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
That'll just help with his sinker because the ball will be resting in his hard on the ground.
by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
My 14 year old self would have been laughing hysterically right now.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't realize why
and then I re-read it …
and laughed hysterically.
My 14 year old self still dominates my sense of humor
Thus I laughed.
Great, concede the run for an out.
Because we should probably score another run by at least, oh, August.
by eponymous_coward on Jul 13, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions
Turns out Jeff deleted all his comments about hating black people.
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I am making a mental note never to get on your bad side.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 13, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He surprisingly petty.
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I despise it when you do this.
Frightens the hell out of me.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 13, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
GAH!
Unmark comments before you include them in screen caps.
Also, you promised to border these in the future.
Old as in, less than 48 hours old?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 13, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This is worse
I thought LL melted down
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
My links were shockingly ineffective
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And needs to be Jeffie
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Needs better spelling.
It’s Jeffie, not Jeffy.
ie is stupid
y does the same thing with fewer letters
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Then your image will be wrong
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the last time I try to help.
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It's one of the more annoying misspellings of my name.
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Alrighty, so if you have FF3
don’t set Visual Studio as your default debugger. It barfs at FireFox every three minutes.
Don't worry, Rays.
We’ll get you out of your slump.
Needs slumpbusting.
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuni P/PA
fewest in the AL by a good margin, but that surprises no one…
Anyone know the rough odds
on the teams that want to sign him? I heard LA and LAA, but I don’t really see it happening.
Just as soon as he clears waivers
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
On a Beach
Drinking beer and chuckling to the fact the M’s gave him so much money to do nothing
I mean for WPA purposes
do I give him a double? Do I call it an out and charge Aviles for an error?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I was lucky enough to see him hit a no-doubter vs. Boston in person last year.
It is a memory I will forever treasure.
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't here to remind you to bring him back.
This thread is killing both computers in my house.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 13, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
but yellow
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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The AL's starting infield is half Red Sox, half Yankees.
Two thirds of the starting nine non-pitchers are Yankees and Red Sox. I don’t find this at all surprising, but I do find it quite funny.
I blame ESPN
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed, for the most part.
But because ESPN broadcasts only a handfull of games that don’t feature one of those two teams, I think a lot of younger and/or more mainstream fans miss out on seeing a lot of awesome players. Can’t blame ESPN too much, but it sucks.
The Red Sox and Yankees both have a lot of really good players, too.
A-Rod is probably the only one that should be starting, and Jeter starting is a joke and a half, but still.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, my only real beef with the starters is Pedroia.
Even with his defensive woes, I thought Kinsler earned it.
And Varitek . . . ugh.
At first Youkilis starting looked suspect to me, but the AL doesn’t have a ton of great first basemen right now. And Youk is deceptively awesome. I always forget.
Jeter has been awful this year.
But fading superstars being voted in doesn’t bother me all that much. I’m okay with Youk. You are 100% right about Kinsler.
The Varitek thing is shamefully bad.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but it's not some vast conspiracy or bias like some people insinuate.
They’re in huge markets and they’re perennial playoff teams with a lot of recognizable players on them.
Afterall , how many New York Knicks games did ESPN televise?
I don't disagree.
I would like to see other teams on ESPN more often, though.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed, but I understand taking the easy way out and showing fans the games they want to see
instead of showing a Rays-As game and educating fans on why they should care.
I don’t like it, but I get it.
Oh yeah.
I wish they showed more baseball in general. Sure, show the Sox/Yankees/Cubs but have another game on ESPN 2 or later or something.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN needs more sports on in general.
They’re getting better, and they’re trying to lead soccer into at least the second tier here in the states and that’s commendable, but I they shouldn’t have abandoned hockey to do it. Between ESPN and ESPN2 there should be a real sporting event on at least 75% of the time.
Re: they need more sports.
Exactly. There was a while there when they were becoming the sports equivalent of MTV.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm encouraged by the changes being made to SportsCenter.
and Lee Ann Schriber has been a blessing from the sports demigods.
Absolutely. There's good reasoning behind it.
Compared to a lot of people I know, I think I’m pretty forgiving of ESPN.
I guess I just wish more networks showed baseball nationally—or ESPN showed more. Free MLB Extra Innings for everyone, with every game in HD!
Having worked there, I'm definitely a lot more defensive of it than most.
But then again, I also know a lot more about the decision processes than most too.
And being a "mainstream journalist," I'm also a bit defensive.
The whole “MSM is dead; blogz 4 life!” stuff tends to irritate me. The media environment is constantly evolving, but if ESPN (and, in my case, newspapers) didn’t exist, I sometimes wonder what bloggers would write about. A lot of today’s media are dependent on one another, and they can all exist. Newspapers and mainstream sports television like ESPN may not be the dominant forces they once were, but they’re still relevant. They still exist for a reason. They could do their job better, and it’s awesome that there are people on the Internet nowadays serving as watchdogs.
Like Deadspin. Deadspin thrives on pointing out really stupid stuff in the media. And it’s often very funny. But Leitch is a smart guy, and he knows damn well that Deadspin isn’t the future of sports coverage—it’s a part of it.
I’m off on a tangent.
Well I think Leitch is done with Deadspin for the time being,
but yes, I believe we’re in overall agreement.
You're completely correct.
I love blogs, but the MSM has to continue to exist, because they’re held to a much higher standard of journalistic integrity and objectivity. Whether or not they live up to that standard is another topic that isn’t really suitable for discussion on this blog, but traditional media is absolutely critical to a functional society.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow we were both way late
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Navarro, Kazmir....
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah.
And Hamilton starting is cool enough to offset the Yankees/Sox bias.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Ichiro is my all-time favorite dresser.
On this FSN interview show that’s on right now he is wearing an Orange Amplification trucker hat, which is about one thousand different kinds of awesome.
My brain can't process "trucker hat" and "awesome" being in the same sentence.
But it’s Ichiro, so I guess it’s possible.
Ichiro can pull it off.
Trucker hats are done for the most part, but this worked.
I resent the hell out of trucker hats being co-opted by the mainstream, because I rocked those things years before they were cool. It was what made my Tumwater punk rocker look work so well.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense
Beastiality is a crime in most states
I just woke up. (5:45pm my time)
We win?
Clement homered? We need to find a balance where he can homer and we still lose.
Just to reiterate a point often made here
Francisco Rodriguez really makes me want to hurt things. Just watched the Angels beat the A’s and his post-game celebration makes me want to choke him.
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