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7/13: Open Game Thread

Wbc_029_tiny by Jeff Sullivan on in Game Threads Comment 677 comments

Seattle Mariners at Kansas City Royals, Jul 13, 2008 11:10 AM PDT


Lineup

Seattle Mariners @ Kansas City Royals

07/13/08 11:10 AM PDT

Seattle Mariners Kansas City Royals
Ichiro Suzuki - RF David DeJesus - CF
Jose Lopez - DH Mike Aviles - SS
Raul Ibanez - "LF" Mark Teahen - RF
Adrian Beltre - 3B Jose Guillen - LF
Jeremy Reed - CF Mark Grudzielanek - 2B
Willie Ballgame - 2B Alex Gordon - 3B
Jeff Clement - C Billy Butler - DH
Miguel Cairo - 1B Ross Gload - 1B
Yuniesky Betancourt - "SS" John Buck - C


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Carlos Silva 4-11 19 19 1 0 0 0 112.2 146 72 70 13 18 47 5.59 1.46

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Kyle Davies 3-1 8 8 0 0 0 0 42.0 53 24 22 4 19 21 4.71 1.71

This is sure to leave a great taste in our mouths over the four-day break.

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This is a truly horrible match-up.

The real loser here is baseball itself.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 13, 2008 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yay go mariners

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 13, 2008 10:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineup

Ichiro RF
Lopez DH
Ibanez LF
Beltre 3B
Reed CF
Willie 2B
Clement C
Cairo 1B
Betancourt SS

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2008 Seattle Mariners

Same great taste, less filling.

by Hustl504 on Jul 13, 2008 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I'll do something else today.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just set my alarm so I could watch Carlos Silva face the Royals.

If they ever invent a time machine, future Jeff is going to come back to today and punch me in the face.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I could never do that,

but I don’t like to even sleep in past 10am or so anymore on weekends because it’s too difficult to shift to getting up at 8 on weekdays.

I hate what my life has become at my age. I should be getting piss drunk on Wednesdays and waking up at noon.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll give you a tapeworm.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect.

Not only do we get the Jews killed Jesus thing, there’s also the Christmas bonus, plus it’s a ham so it’s unclean AND it’s ungraceful since Jews have no rhythm.

It’s like killing a whole orphanage with just one shoulder-launched ATW!

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jarrod Washburn and Jose Lopez for Chris Duncan and Jamie Garcia

I never thought I’d say this but Dave Cameron is extremely wrong.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

These uniforms are terrible.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It seems like a bad idea to play Doug Mientkiewicz at 3rd.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Silva has to be the stupidest FA signing in history.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This one makes me madder.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could, but it would be a bad case.

Barry Zito was everything that is wrong with pitching analysis wrapped up in a 7 year 100+ million dollar bow

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

but with Silva you are knowingly giving money to a pitcher that you know is mediocre.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It shows the willingness to spend money on players you know are bad

for the sake of spending money.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno, I bet they did

look at his ERAs.

And if not, why must everyone assume that players can always repeat their career years?

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baker disproved that.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it hysterical?

I heard the call on the radio only.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian K's on a slider??

I’m shocked.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I disapprove.

The pitcher went to 3-0 for a reason. Shitty control. It’s unlikely he’ll now throw 3 straight strikes.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitchers don't throw our hitters 3-1 mistake pitches.

They throw them 3-1 pitches on the fringe and the hitter chases.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like our hitters swing at a lot of 3-1 pitches after taking a called strike on 3-0 counts.

They do it because this is frequently a good idea. However our hitters are also outrageously stupid.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never know what kinda craaaazy lineup is gonna play, WHEN RIGGLEMANIA IS RUNNIN' WILD BROTHER

Maybe we should produce a comedy film that would appeal to the M’s players with basic baseball fundamentals and plate patience that they would actually pay attention too.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My something else is mad at me.

"Holy Shit, It's Steve Perry lead singer of Journey". "ha, FORMER Lead Singer."

by RafaelCarmona22 on Jul 13, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take it for a walk.

Dogs like walks. It will forgive you.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have the Pirates broadcast and this game on simultaneously.

there are so many dead silences that it’s not the least bit maddening.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Willie Bloomquist has far less power than Aaron Miles.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The funny thing is that Pineiro was on deck

and there were two down.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rob Neyer baiting?

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are wrong.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would find it highly unlikely

that he was anything but an outstanding defender.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's wrong

I don’t wanna be right.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GOD

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boxed for making suggestions

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the first pun of a game thread makes me

more nervous than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF

My childhood cat was tailless.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the over/under on Cairo making 40 more starts at 1B?

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love this comment.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Missourii is ass backwards.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're all over the place though. I just don't get it.

They’re farm animals. Domesticated. You live in farm/ranch country. You see them all the time!

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They smell too.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing it's kind of like a dog show

Where they show off how well-bred the cattle is or whatever.

by OlSalty on Jul 13, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bahahahahahaha
The Phillies have reportedly entered the running for Rockies’ left-handed reliever Brian Fuentes.
The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that the Rockies are asking for RHP Carlos Carrasco or catcher Lou Marson, the Phillies’ two top prospects.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So he's not going to St. Louis?

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quit being a fucking dick Blowers.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well done.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect the LL gif wing to be named after me once I die.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell are you talking about?

It’s going to be the Jeff Sullivan Memorial Awesome Wing.

by BrianL on Jul 13, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He already has his wing in the HOF

he should feel lucky.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They werer too young, lacked veterans.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only the fizith.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The one run he gave up was on a groundball."

No, Mike, the one run he gave up was on a line drive, a groundball and another groundball.

Nobody except Mark Langston gives up a run based on a single groundball.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I never got this expression.

Seems like there would be a reason that something’s going out of style. Why do it more?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's akin to killing a meme

It seemed like a good idea once but we’re just too dumb to know when enough is enough.

by OlSalty on Jul 13, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes yes yes

more than bunts

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Royals color guy

it is amazing that when you draft good players they come together and you play good

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who oked these terrible terrible uniforms?

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Attorney General Rob McKenna and Scruff McGruff

are telling me that there are strangers on the internet who want to do bad things to me.

by BrianL on Jul 13, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the answer to raising children is to spy on their computer activities.

Because teaching them to not be stupid and then trusting them to apply those lessons would be too difficult.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Joel Pineiro is bad at baseball.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The cliches are killing me

by the way, Silva had his worst tRA season in 2005.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

err, don't look at those numbers yet.

Run/Out values haven’t been corrected for pre-07 years.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because those people don't give him interviews

Baker really likes Silva and Jose Guillen. Know why? because they’re some of the only players who still want to talk to him.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jealousy. It's easy to hate guys with godly amounts of talent.

It’s easy to love guys with seemingly average skills because they’re easier to relate to.

by LantermanC on Jul 13, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate you Joel.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Good Willie price himself out of Seattle.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he can work himself up to

Type A free agent on grit alone? Get us 2 draft picks? That’d be nice.

by LantermanC on Jul 13, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he can work himself up to

Type A free agent on grit alone? Get us 2 draft picks? That’d be nice.

by LantermanC on Jul 13, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CLEMENT!!!

Funk Blast!!!

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For the record

if Clement’s anything like the rest of us, he absolutely hates the name Jeffie.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this sentiment.

I have a stupid friend who calls me Jeffie and I want to punch her in the face.

by joof on Jul 13, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen for Jeffy FUNK BLASTS in person

than I have on tv

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've actually seen all of the HRs he's hit at home in his whole career.

I can’t tell if you mean “more” or “four more” or what though.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I attend 1-2 games per season.

more impressive

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's hit 2 at home this year and 2 at home last year.

I didn’t have Season tickets last year.

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like a star.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell these hitters are not good.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But usually our good pitchers get bad hitters out.

Except for Morrow, who understands the drive for Strasburg.

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, please play traditional baseball wisdom and drop one down, DeJesus.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

UH OH

DeJesus is leading the league in hitting with RISP. But there isn’t 2 outs yet so he might not be engage his clutch drive.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man bunting is stupid.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Green in.

So, when does his arm fall off?

by eponymous_coward on Jul 13, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He surprisingly petty.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could

and it would stop following me so I shut off my computer and went to sleep.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GAH!

Unmark comments before you include them in screen caps.

Also, you promised to border these in the future.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My links were shockingly ineffective

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Test.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And needs to be Jeffie

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs better spelling.

It’s Jeffie, not Jeffy.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ie is stupid

y does the same thing with fewer letters

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then your image will be wrong

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the last time I try to help.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's one of the more annoying misspellings of my name.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JL

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alrighty, so if you have FF3

don’t set Visual Studio as your default debugger. It barfs at FireFox every three minutes.

by BrianL on Jul 13, 2008 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry, Rays.

We’ll get you out of your slump.

by BrianL on Jul 13, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Needs slumpbusting.

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by JI on Jul 13, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuni P/PA

fewest in the AL by a good margin, but that surprises no one…

by Scrupio on Jul 13, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet god Yuni is terrible

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Beltre! Aviles! Woo!

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahahahaha

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

KC, showing the M's how to play defense.

This is the effort we need if we really want Strasburg.

by LantermanC on Jul 13, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever

KC really taught us a lesson in losing today.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2008 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The AL's starting infield is half Red Sox, half Yankees.

Two thirds of the starting nine non-pitchers are Yankees and Red Sox. I don’t find this at all surprising, but I do find it quite funny.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I blame ESPN

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 13, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, for the most part.

But because ESPN broadcasts only a handfull of games that don’t feature one of those two teams, I think a lot of younger and/or more mainstream fans miss out on seeing a lot of awesome players. Can’t blame ESPN too much, but it sucks.

by Teej on Jul 13, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Red Sox and Yankees both have a lot of really good players, too.

A-Rod is probably the only one that should be starting, and Jeter starting is a joke and a half, but still.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, my only real beef with the starters is Pedroia.

Even with his defensive woes, I thought Kinsler earned it.

And Varitek . . . ugh.

At first Youkilis starting looked suspect to me, but the AL doesn’t have a ton of great first basemen right now. And Youk is deceptively awesome. I always forget.

by Teej on Jul 13, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeter has been awful this year.

But fading superstars being voted in doesn’t bother me all that much. I’m okay with Youk. You are 100% right about Kinsler.

The Varitek thing is shamefully bad.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but it's not some vast conspiracy or bias like some people insinuate.

They’re in huge markets and they’re perennial playoff teams with a lot of recognizable players on them.

Afterall , how many New York Knicks games did ESPN televise?

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree.

I would like to see other teams on ESPN more often, though.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but I understand taking the easy way out and showing fans the games they want to see

instead of showing a Rays-As game and educating fans on why they should care.

I don’t like it, but I get it.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah.

I wish they showed more baseball in general. Sure, show the Sox/Yankees/Cubs but have another game on ESPN 2 or later or something.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN needs more sports on in general.

They’re getting better, and they’re trying to lead soccer into at least the second tier here in the states and that’s commendable, but I they shouldn’t have abandoned hockey to do it. Between ESPN and ESPN2 there should be a real sporting event on at least 75% of the time.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: they need more sports.

Exactly. There was a while there when they were becoming the sports equivalent of MTV.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm encouraged by the changes being made to SportsCenter.

and Lee Ann Schriber has been a blessing from the sports demigods.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. There's good reasoning behind it.

Compared to a lot of people I know, I think I’m pretty forgiving of ESPN.

I guess I just wish more networks showed baseball nationally—or ESPN showed more. Free MLB Extra Innings for everyone, with every game in HD!

by Teej on Jul 13, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having worked there, I'm definitely a lot more defensive of it than most.

But then again, I also know a lot more about the decision processes than most too.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And being a "mainstream journalist," I'm also a bit defensive.

The whole “MSM is dead; blogz 4 life!” stuff tends to irritate me. The media environment is constantly evolving, but if ESPN (and, in my case, newspapers) didn’t exist, I sometimes wonder what bloggers would write about. A lot of today’s media are dependent on one another, and they can all exist. Newspapers and mainstream sports television like ESPN may not be the dominant forces they once were, but they’re still relevant. They still exist for a reason. They could do their job better, and it’s awesome that there are people on the Internet nowadays serving as watchdogs.

Like Deadspin. Deadspin thrives on pointing out really stupid stuff in the media. And it’s often very funny. But Leitch is a smart guy, and he knows damn well that Deadspin isn’t the future of sports coverage—it’s a part of it.

I’m off on a tangent.

by Teej on Jul 13, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're completely correct.

I love blogs, but the MSM has to continue to exist, because they’re held to a much higher standard of journalistic integrity and objectivity. Whether or not they live up to that standard is another topic that isn’t really suitable for discussion on this blog, but traditional media is absolutely critical to a functional society.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah.

And Hamilton starting is cool enough to offset the Yankees/Sox bias.

by acblue on Jul 13, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs