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Amateur Draft Open Thread

The first round kicks off at 11am PDT. The Mariners select 20th overall, and given, say, 30 players who have an argument for going in the first 19 slots, there are 6,645,143,393,563,388,313,600,000 different ways in which the draft could theoretically proceed before we even get to pick.* So I'm going to hold off on talking about individual players until we actually take them.

For the sake of convenience, what follows is a list of organizational needs, shown here in positional order:

Catching
Corner infield (offense)
Corner infield (glove)
Middle infield (offense)
Middle infield (glove)
Corner outfield (offense)
Corner outfield (glove)
Center field (offense)
Center field (glove)
Positionless bat (offense)
Starting pitching, righty (power)
Starting pitching, righty (control)
Starting pitching, lefty (power)
Starting pitching, lefty (control)
Relief pitching, righty (control)
Relief pitching, lefty (power)
Relief pitching, lefty (control)
Good players

So that should help the front office narrow down who it would like to select.

We trust you, Fontaine. We trust you more than everybody else in this organization combined. Do us proud.

* my math could be wrong but you get the idea

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All due respect

But the only list Fontaine needs to use should have three words on it:

Best Player Available.

by tait644 on Jun 5, 2008 9:18 AM PDT   0 recs

I'm a little scared

That both Law and Churchill are reporting the Mariners are seriously looking at Tanner Scheppers. I never the words “pitcher”, “labrum”, and “torn” to appear in a sentence together.

by nfreakct on Jun 5, 2008 9:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Oh God, please don't let this be true
I have also heard rumblings that the Mariners are considering Reese Havens and Jemile Weeks at No. 20, because they are getting a few calls on second baseman Jose Lopez, who is having a decent year thanks to a recent hot streak.

Although I liked what I saw of Havens in the SEC tournament.

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 9:36 AM PDT   0 recs

I don't put much stock in that.

You don’t trade your starting 2B when you don’t have an internal option ready to fill the void.

by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 9:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chen! Vidro!

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Jun 5, 2008 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that makes sense.

Oh wait, this isn’t the NFL or NBA draft where draftees can step right in?

by Matthew on Jun 5, 2008 9:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yung-Chi Chen or Luis Valbuena (well not Valbuena right now)

could probably fill the void of suckitude until Havens/Weeks would be ready

But I just don’t want them to trade Lopez :(

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 9:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While I'm not opposed to trading Lopez if we get a good return

it pretty much screws us for next year, especially if he avoids his annual 2nd half implosion.

by JI on Jun 5, 2008 9:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And there's reason to believe that he won't have a disastrous second half

2006 was his first year in the bigs, and honestly, I’m going to give him a free pass for last season because of his brother – up until that point he really wasn’t sucking that badly.

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That too

but I thought it was kind of obvious through his on-field body language/demeanor (not that I’m a professional or anything, just observant) that he had lost a lot of confidence/his head really wasn’t in it.

Anyway, the point is that I think he’s got the potential to be a very, very valuable asset at second for this team

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 10:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lopez is signed cheaply through 2011

I don’t see why you would want to trade him at all.

by Matthew on Jun 5, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't WANT to trade him

but if someone makes an amazing offer…..

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 9:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Giants think they're back in it?

The Astros are tired of Kaz Matsui?
The National are ashamed of being the only team with a worse lineup than the Mariners?
The Cardinals aren’t going to let the black hole at second ruin their season?

I don’t know.

by JI on Jun 5, 2008 9:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Aha.

Good point.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 10:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe Bavasi is better in SELL mode than BUY mode

If he is just going after prospects, maybe he can actually evaluate players. He obviously can’t evaluate veterans.

by batura on Jun 5, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Anderson Garcia, Jesus Merchan, Andrew Barb, Andrew Baldwin

Travis Chick, Mike Morse, Miguel Olivo, etc…

yeah, it’s not like he’s had a lot to deal with, but… ouch. When Jeremy Reed is the out-and-out success story, something’s not working.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no idea

some contender whose 1st, 2nd and 3rd string 2bs all develop sarcoidosis (“go check their houses; it’s environmental”) and are willing to part with something amazing. Almost no chance, sure.

Cards giving up on Rasmus, Jays giving up Snider + Purcey.

Yes, never gonna happen. But if it did, I would be a happier person than I currently am.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I bet you would

but you know what? Why don’t we let fans of OTHER teams feel some pain for once?

Yes, I know you’re a St.L fan, but I think if we took a vote, we’d all prefer to sacrifice your happiness for the common good.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 10:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If this team were to trade Jose Lopez

I would take a plane to Seattle and hold on to him and never let him go. He will never leave Seattle

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 5, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Except on road trips

Safeco is just killing his power numbers (except for this last series)

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Woohoo!

This is a day for hope.

Unless we draft a reliever.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 9:37 AM PDT   0 recs

I was doing that last year

and ended up pleasantly surprised.

This year, I’m so excited and hopeful; I could really go for a devastating kick in the nuts/kidney punch combo.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"So the latest rumor is Hochevar might get taken first.

And based on the projections it’s looks like Miller and Lincecum will both be on the board at 5. We better take one of those two.” – Me, 2 years ago.

:sigh:

by Matthew on Jun 5, 2008 9:43 AM PDT   0 recs

I will say this even though I don't really believe it

If they turn Morrow into a starter, there’s a small chance that he actually ends up becoming the most valuable of those three down the road. I know Lincecum is lights out, and you’d better believe I’d rather have him, but the concerns about his size and strange motion existed for a reason.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jun 5, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like this comment

this guy sounds confident in his assertion, he’s probably on to something.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 9:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And also, young pitchers with all kinds of motions get hurt

It’s not that “flawless mechanics” are a shield against injury…just that avoiding undue stress on a variety of fragile joints probably helps

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jun 5, 2008 9:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just hope that when his arm blows up

it happens while he’s pitching against us.

by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This isn't in reference to Lincecum in particular

But you’re saying that a pitcher’s throwing motion, no matter how strange or awkward, has no potential to cause injury?

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jun 5, 2008 9:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What? No.

That’s not at all what I said.

by Matthew on Jun 5, 2008 9:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok

I misunderstood

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jun 5, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, it's that we just don't have enough information to know whether any specific pitcher's motion is more or less likely to cause injury

for all we know, Lincecum’s motion could guarantee that he blows out his shoulder in three years – on the other hand, it may have no effect at all except to further deceive batters (like it already does very well)

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 10:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And, further,

there’s a good case to be made that his delivery reduces stress on his arm. It just looks weird.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is an excellent point, because he does use his lower body to generate a lot of his velocity

because typically, you just don’t see guys of that stature throw the ball like he does.

I’d completely agree with this assessment – I really hope that eventually we see some more serious research into this topic, though (Graham, are you listening??)

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 10:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Serious research into the topic is ongoing all the time

but it’s incredibly diffuse and insanely complex.

by Matthew on Jun 5, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well yes,

I meant “more” as in “hopefully we come up with something eventually, because this is a genuinely interesting topic (and the research is probably applicable to things outside of baseball as well)”

by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

his stride is insane. He’s just really flexible, and takes advantage of that.

by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope you mean at the price

because not wanting Miller is wrong.

by JI on Jun 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of Miller

the disappearance of his groundballs is completely weird. But even so, you talk about a guy who’s getting screwed by his defense…

by Jeff on Jun 5, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's also pitching quite poorly

throwing over 40% of pitches for balls and missing fewer bats than Miguel Batista. And the GB rate, as you mentioned, sucks.

by Matthew on Jun 5, 2008 10:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs