Amateur Draft Open Thread
The first round kicks off at 11am PDT. The Mariners select 20th overall, and given, say, 30 players who have an argument for going in the first 19 slots, there are 6,645,143,393,563,388,313,600,000 different ways in which the draft could theoretically proceed before we even get to pick.* So I'm going to hold off on talking about individual players until we actually take them.
For the sake of convenience, what follows is a list of organizational needs, shown here in positional order:
Catching
Corner infield (offense)
Corner infield (glove)
Middle infield (offense)
Middle infield (glove)
Corner outfield (offense)
Corner outfield (glove)
Center field (offense)
Center field (glove)
Positionless bat (offense)
Starting pitching, righty (power)
Starting pitching, righty (control)
Starting pitching, lefty (power)
Starting pitching, lefty (control)
Relief pitching, righty (control)
Relief pitching, lefty (power)
Relief pitching, lefty (control)
Good players
So that should help the front office narrow down who it would like to select.
We trust you, Fontaine. We trust you more than everybody else in this organization combined. Do us proud.
* my math could be wrong but you get the idea
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All due respect
But the only list Fontaine needs to use should have three words on it:
Best Player Available.
by tait644 on Jun 5, 2008 9:18 AM PDT 0 recs
Which, of course, was your point.
Never mind. It’s early.
by tait644 on
Jun 5, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
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I'm a little scared
That both Law and Churchill are reporting the Mariners are seriously looking at Tanner Scheppers. I never the words “pitcher”, “labrum”, and “torn” to appear in a sentence together.
by nfreakct on Jun 5, 2008 9:21 AM PDT 0 recs
They better be seriously looking at him
and saying, “oh hell no”
by Gomez on
Jun 5, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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It'd be a trend, perhaps...
Morrow was shut down in college for shoulder concerns...
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on
Jun 5, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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Oh God, please don't let this be true
I have also heard rumblings that the Mariners are considering Reese Havens and Jemile Weeks at No. 20, because they are getting a few calls on second baseman Jose Lopez, who is having a decent year thanks to a recent hot streak.
Although I liked what I saw of Havens in the SEC tournament.
by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 9:36 AM PDT 0 recs
I don't put much stock in that.
You don’t trade your starting 2B when you don’t have an internal option ready to fill the void.
by BrianL on
Jun 5, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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Chen! Vidro!
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com
by LantermanC on
Jun 5, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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Yeah, that makes sense.
Oh wait, this isn’t the NFL or NBA draft where draftees can step right in?
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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Yung-Chi Chen or Luis Valbuena (well not Valbuena right now)
could probably fill the void of suckitude until Havens/Weeks would be ready
But I just don’t want them to trade Lopez :(
by seattlebruin on
Jun 5, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
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While I'm not opposed to trading Lopez if we get a good return
it pretty much screws us for next year, especially if he avoids his annual 2nd half implosion.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
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And there's reason to believe that he won't have a disastrous second half
2006 was his first year in the bigs, and honestly, I’m going to give him a free pass for last season because of his brother – up until that point he really wasn’t sucking that badly.
by seattlebruin on
Jun 5, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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I'm willing to give him a pass for last season because of the meddling Hargrove and Pentland did with his swing.
by BrianL on
Jun 5, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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That too
but I thought it was kind of obvious through his on-field body language/demeanor (not that I’m a professional or anything, just observant) that he had lost a lot of confidence/his head really wasn’t in it.
Anyway, the point is that I think he’s got the potential to be a very, very valuable asset at second for this team
by seattlebruin on
Jun 5, 2008 10:01 AM PDT
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Lopez is signed cheaply through 2011
I don’t see why you would want to trade him at all.
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
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Yeah, but only then
Chances of a winning scenairo are slim.
by Gomez on
Jun 5, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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I don't WANT to trade him
but if someone makes an amazing offer…..
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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The Giants think they're back in it?
The Astros are tired of Kaz Matsui?
The National are ashamed of being the only team with a worse lineup than the Mariners?
The Cardinals aren’t going to let the black hole at second ruin their season?
I don’t know.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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Why would they offer Bavasi an amazing offer is what I was actually asking.
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
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Maybe Bavasi is better in SELL mode than BUY mode
If he is just going after prospects, maybe he can actually evaluate players. He obviously can’t evaluate veterans.
by batura on
Jun 5, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
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Anderson Garcia, Jesus Merchan, Andrew Barb, Andrew Baldwin
Travis Chick, Mike Morse, Miguel Olivo, etc…
yeah, it’s not like he’s had a lot to deal with, but… ouch. When Jeremy Reed is the out-and-out success story, something’s not working.
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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I have no idea
some contender whose 1st, 2nd and 3rd string 2bs all develop sarcoidosis (“go check their houses; it’s environmental”) and are willing to part with something amazing. Almost no chance, sure.
Cards giving up on Rasmus, Jays giving up Snider + Purcey.
Yes, never gonna happen. But if it did, I would be a happier person than I currently am.
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
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I would sort of be pissed if they gave up on Rasmus in order to usher in the Skip Schumaker era.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 9:56 AM PDT
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I bet you would
but you know what? Why don’t we let fans of OTHER teams feel some pain for once?
Yes, I know you’re a St.L fan, but I think if we took a vote, we’d all prefer to sacrifice your happiness for the common good.
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
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If this team were to trade Jose Lopez
I would take a plane to Seattle and hold on to him and never let him go. He will never leave Seattle
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
Jun 5, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
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Except on road trips
Safeco is just killing his power numbers (except for this last series)
by seattlebruin on
Jun 5, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
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Woohoo!
This is a day for hope.
Unless we draft a reliever.
by marc w on Jun 5, 2008 9:37 AM PDT 0 recs
At least I get to watch the Nationals comically stumble around their self-titled park
for 6 hours.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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I was doing that last year
and ended up pleasantly surprised.
This year, I’m so excited and hopeful; I could really go for a devastating kick in the nuts/kidney punch combo.
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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"So the latest rumor is Hochevar might get taken first.
And based on the projections it’s looks like Miller and Lincecum will both be on the board at 5. We better take one of those two.” – Me, 2 years ago.
:sigh:
by Matthew on Jun 5, 2008 9:43 AM PDT 0 recs
I will say this even though I don't really believe it
If they turn Morrow into a starter, there’s a small chance that he actually ends up becoming the most valuable of those three down the road. I know Lincecum is lights out, and you’d better believe I’d rather have him, but the concerns about his size and strange motion existed for a reason.
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on
Jun 5, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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Concerns about his strange motion don't mean anything
by Graham on
Jun 5, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
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I like this comment
this guy sounds confident in his assertion, he’s probably on to something.
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
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The reason they exist is because people are stupid and think they can predict fragility and injury.
They can’t. Stupid reasons are not reasons.
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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Mark Prior had flawless mechanics, he was never supposed to get injured.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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And also, young pitchers with all kinds of motions get hurt
It’s not that “flawless mechanics” are a shield against injury…just that avoiding undue stress on a variety of fragile joints probably helps
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on
Jun 5, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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K-Rod throws like a maniac and should have blown out his arm years ago
by Gomez on
Jun 5, 2008 9:54 AM PDT
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I just hope that when his arm blows up
it happens while he’s pitching against us.
by BrianL on
Jun 5, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
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I can't believe he has 24 saves already.
That’s a pace for ~70.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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If he continues to pitch, the way he's pitching
he won’t even make it to 50.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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I look forward to his insane free agent contract this winter.
Hopefully not with us. Hopefully with the Angels.
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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I think with Morrow/Putz we're safe
unless he actually saves 70.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 10:11 AM PDT
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Relief pitching seems like the one thing they are good at.
by Jed MC on
Jun 5, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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They'd have to trade JJ first
...but KRod would be a former Angel
oh-noes 6/120 he we come
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 10:15 AM PDT
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Well Gagne got hurt
so, yeah, hopefully if he re-ups with the Angels.
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 10:18 AM PDT
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This isn't in reference to Lincecum in particular
But you’re saying that a pitcher’s throwing motion, no matter how strange or awkward, has no potential to cause injury?
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on
Jun 5, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
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Ok
I misunderstood
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on
Jun 5, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
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No, it's that we just don't have enough information to know whether any specific pitcher's motion is more or less likely to cause injury
for all we know, Lincecum’s motion could guarantee that he blows out his shoulder in three years – on the other hand, it may have no effect at all except to further deceive batters (like it already does very well)
by seattlebruin on
Jun 5, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
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And, further,
there’s a good case to be made that his delivery reduces stress on his arm. It just looks weird.
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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Which is an excellent point, because he does use his lower body to generate a lot of his velocity
because typically, you just don’t see guys of that stature throw the ball like he does.
I’d completely agree with this assessment – I really hope that eventually we see some more serious research into this topic, though (Graham, are you listening??)
by seattlebruin on
Jun 5, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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Serious research into the topic is ongoing all the time
but it’s incredibly diffuse and insanely complex.
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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Well yes,
I meant “more” as in “hopefully we come up with something eventually, because this is a genuinely interesting topic (and the research is probably applicable to things outside of baseball as well)”
by seattlebruin on
Jun 5, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
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Yeah
his stride is insane. He’s just really flexible, and takes advantage of that.
by marc w on
Jun 5, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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I hope you mean at the price
because not wanting Miller is wrong.
by JI on
Jun 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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Speaking of Miller
the disappearance of his groundballs is completely weird. But even so, you talk about a guy who’s getting screwed by his defense…
by Jeff on
Jun 5, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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He's also pitching quite poorly
throwing over 40% of pitches for balls and missing fewer bats than Miguel Batista. And the GB rate, as you mentioned, sucks.
by Matthew on
Jun 5, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
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