Baker: Let's Blow The Whole Goddamn Thing Up, What Say?
[I was going to entitle this "Baker: Burn The Tree!" but even though the joke is funny, I don't want to attract that weirdo here under a new pseudonym.]
Anyway, Baker's had enough, saying that more and more it seems to him like the team ought to be stripped for parts like a car abandoned south of 62nd Street in Chicago. The dilemma he correctly points out, however, is that the Mariners ownership/FO is so inept and inert that any rebuilding process is going to move at a glacial pace.
A few weeks ago, I was convinced this was just a one-year happening...[a]dd a few good hitters, I figured, and you could clean the mess up by next season and take another shot at contending.Now, I'm not so sure. And judging by the actions -- or lack of action other than yelling and screaming -- by the team's ownership and management, I don't think they are too sure either. The Mariners seem to be an organization paralyzed by indecision.
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It's never easy for any organization to "blow it up''. The only folks who find that an easy route are fans looking for an outlet through which to vent anger. I understand that. But it's no way to run a baseball team. Blowing up the Mariners means, at minimum, waiting another three years before contending again. Hoping for something quicker is akin to fooling yourselves. Billy Beane isn't taking over this team tomorrow. Whoever is running the show in 2009 will be hard-pressed to contend before 2012 if he or she "blows it up". Get it straight. Get it right. Do not delude yourselves, please.
Read the article for his musings on the incomprehensibility of the Johjima re-signing, and his frustration at the opaqueness of Armstrong and Lincoln's "leadership." Morrow and Dickey are labelled as the only two people on the roster who haven't in some way contributed to this disaster of a season so far:
Some of you keep asking for names. I've given you pages full of them these past few weeks. You can more or less take anybody on that roster save for Brandon Morrow and R.A. Dickey and make a case for how they've contributed to this team's losing. Yes, even some of your favorite players. Frankly, I don't see anybody on this roster who isn't expendable. Yes, I did just write that. Obviously, they can't all go. But some will have to.
God our team sucks. I've been joking over the last few weeks about how I still enjoy watching them because I'm a masochist, but I'm moving beyond that phase at this point. Anyway, read the whole entry; I've only excerpted a tiny amount.
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He's wrong
The glaring problems on this team are LF/RF/1B/DH (and our DHes can barely outhit the best hitting pitchers—seriously). Those are the easiest positions on the field to fix. There’s no reason a competant GM couldn’t have this team in contention next year.
by JI on Jun 5, 2008 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Want to know why Kenji Johjima was given a three-year contract extension when the team has a No. 1 draft pick at catcher on the verge of being ready for the major leagues? Too bad. Who do you think you are? Trust the Mariners. They know what they’re doing.Feel good about that answer? Me neither. Don’t worry though, we’re not alone. I sit and talk to people around the game on every road trip and the Johjima question is one of the first I’m asked after the one about when Richie Sexson will be released.
Nice.
by JI on Jun 5, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Management has contempt for fans.
Dave Cameron wrote about this a month ago. Geoff’s finally catching on.
by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like he's all growed up
he even acknowledged the defense sunk the team.
by JI on Jun 5, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now if only he would acknowledge something other than BA with RISP.
I wish he’d point out Beltre’s freakishly low BABIP instead.
by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek's the one who still writes passionately about how bad we are
Dave’s the one who’s pretty much given up.
by Jeff on Jun 5, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire the dude
Not only does he continue his passion there, but he didn’t back down under the national scrutiny over Francisco Rodriguez’s pine tar under the hat thing at the beginning of last season. Quite the opposite, the dude worked it with some real magic. The criticisms came in that he was just promoting his book, and he’d turn that right back around citing that this kind of thing is exactly why he wrote it in the first place.
And let’s not forget the Zumsteig Plan, which got him excommunicated from the Holy Order of Water Buffalo and Baseball GMs.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 5, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its because he missed a good portion of last year
He’s still a little behind the rest of us.
by Robert on Jun 5, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah it's posts like these that bring the ICHIRO HURTS THIS TEAM people out in force.
Of all the problems this team has, I have to wonder why Ichiro’s “lack of leadership skills” seems to be so high on people’s lists.
by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because it's what people have been conditioned to expect
Every good team, according to the modern media construct/mythology, has a “leader” – a guy who takes the team by the scruff of the neck and slaps it around when it’s not performing up to this mythical figure’s expectations. The Celtics had one in Bird, the Bulls had one in Jordan, etc. So obviously, when a team is not performing well, all they need is that “leader” – as if somehow, magically, one person can shake a sad, overvalued collection of mediocrity into contending for a division title by sheer force of will.
People and their predictable reactions to adverse sports situations depress me. BRING BACK JUNIOR! BUHNER WOULD LIGHT UP THE CLUBHOUSE! ICHIRO’S NOT A LEADER! none of these are anywhere NEAR the problem, and yet it’s all people can seem to come up with.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jun 5, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If people are expecting that a magical "leader" will save this team
they are stupid.
by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are stupid. And they suck.
Present company excepted, of course. You are all special snowflakes. But a quick read through the Times blog’s comments (not something I ever really do but I just have to today, I’m a masochist like that) seems to indicate that Ichiro wounds this team by not displaying the qualities one would expect from a leader. Which made me stop reading the comments – I’m not THAT much of a masochist.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jun 5, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not quite sure how Adam finds the fortitude to post there so often.
He’s doing God’s work, I suppose.
by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand why he hasn't posted on USSM or LL yet
He seems like he is one of us.
by Fin on Jun 5, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you guys are aware of this or not
But LL and USSM are pretty damned intimidating. Maybe he just doesn’t feel comfortable posting here.
by thewyrm on Jun 5, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me about 7 months to find the courage to post here.
I spent about an hour trying to word my first fanpost in a way that would get me flamed to high heaven.
by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I’m basically functionally retarded and I do ok.
by JI on Jun 5, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lurked for almost two years before I started posting regularly.
-aaron c.
by acblue on Jun 5, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half a year for me, but not out of intimidation factor, just laziness.
I’m fairly confident I can hold my own with pretty much anyone online…it was really a question of being too fucking lazy to register. Yeah, I’m bad like that.
by esoteric on Jun 5, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish more people would lurk for a little while before diving in
by Jeff on Jun 5, 2008 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spent years lurking, figuring out each and every poster's
strengths and weakness. I studied hard on the posting patterns of this place, making charts that proved how awesome I could be if I started posting. Then I actually posted something and forgot everything my training taught me. There’s nothing like the bigs.
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 5, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it more when they show up to game thread and post pics of nude women.
by JI on Jun 5, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lurked for 8 months
Rarely posted for another 8, and even when I became a regular I slowly ramped up my posting.
by Robert on Jun 7, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, it's really weird how strong the correlation between player skill and perceived leadership is
I would have never, ever guessed that.
by seattlebruin on Jun 5, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's correllated because...
... you CANNOT be a leader if you’re not a good player. Leadership attempts from a guy hitting .190 with no power are useless.
by BrianF on Jun 5, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clubhouses don't need leaders.
If a player needs someone to yell at them in order to succeed, they don’t deserve to be playing baseball.
by BrianL on Jun 5, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard this argument many times
usually coming from someone that has never been employed as a professional baseball player. I’m not sure whether I believe it or not. I know that at every job I’ve worked, there have been variations in morale, fatigue, burnout and productivity based on coworker relations and team leadership. To assume that baseball players (because they are “professionals” who make a lot of money) are immune to those variations seems… unlikely.
Baker’s words about a “culture of losing” reminds me of what Lou Piniella said when he first showed up in Seattle.
by johnbai on Jun 5, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, bad teams focus their frustrations on their best players
by Gomez on Jun 5, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, what's the word for this?
Classic scapegoat syndrome, anyone?
This is all the space your sig should occupy.
by qrsouther on Jun 5, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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