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LL Softball 7/6 - UPDATED!!! 17 committed, 2 probables!

1222546_tiny by wwbaker3 on Comment 152 comments

Ok, so we had a horrible turnout today - partially due to the absence of some regulars (Brett, John, Eric, Robert, and Matthew), the heat, and some late cancellations.  I came back from Canada Late Saturday and was determined to get some exercise in and had a blast.  So for all you lurkers and people on the fence, show up next Sunday and join us for a full squad game, with beer and food afterwards.

Who:  LL crew

What:  LL Softball

When:  Sunday, 7/6, 1pm

Where:  Seattle U. Softball Field on 12th and Cherry (if available, otherwise we'll go to the soccer field on 14th and Cherry)

Why:  Because it's fun, and Bill will show up again, as usual!

PS...Bill actually started to pull the ball today (shock!) after reviewing his swings on film from the previous game and tweaking his mechanics.  After all that Bill actually hit a Home Run over the fences!

Anyways, lets get some rec's and get a good size gathering so we can play another good game!

 

Roll Call - 16 + 2?

Starting

wwbaker3

LantermanC

Two Rs and Two Ls

Jaejo

Brett (+1)

Gomez (injury - game time decision)

Graham (+1)

Smegmalicious (+1)

Thingray + Jeanuts (injury - game time decision)

camomilk (+2)

Probable

johnbai?

Fin?

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I won't be there....

Goin to a Cabin on Whidbey from the 3-6. Gonna be killer. Anybody know if there are bars in Gig Harbor?

by brayden04 on Jun 30, 2008 12:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

damn you

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by wwbaker3 on Jun 30, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but isn't that closer to Tacoma? By car?

I have a ton of family on Whidbey Island (in and around the Freeland area) and to my knowledge Gig Harbor’s a ferry ride away from Whidbey… and a long one at that…

Anyway, I am sure there are plenty of good watering holes with warm-blooded summer co-eds ready to take your money during the holiday weekend in that area.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 30, 2008 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup. I'm an idiot.

I meant OAK Harbor. So….anyone know bars in Oak Harbor????

by brayden04 on Jun 30, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no hijacking allowed

:p

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by wwbaker3 on Jun 30, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strange

but I’ll be in Oak Harbor that weekend too. I haven’t been there in 6 years so it would be tough to recommend any bars. Brew pub is okay, OH Tavern is pretty cheap, there’s usually a live band at the Blue Dolphin. Most of the partying is done at people’s homes not at the bars.

by AZSEAfan on Jun 30, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oak Harbor's a sleepy town with a Naval base

I know they have some chain restaurants on the main drag but am not all that familiar with the bar layout of the town… I’m sure there’s a bar where a ton of old people have been trading the same stories for years. I’d stick with the cabin.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 30, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to try my best to make it

But I think I got to work this Sunday. I had a hard time getting last Sunday off but who knows. With my luck it will probably be a pretty good turn out too if I end up missing it.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jun 30, 2008 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Work

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jun 30, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I should actually go to one of these sometime.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jun 30, 2008 12:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am very likely in.

But someone else needs to take camera duty, because I come to play, not take pictures.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 30, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone show up for this?

I haven’t played ball in a while, but softball sounds like it would be fun.

by Smegmalicious on Jun 30, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you can run, throw and swing a bat, you can play

Even if you had absolutely no ability or talent whatsoever, you probably won’t be too out of place. I am atrocious in many respects.

by Gomez on Jun 30, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I'm tentitively in.

My birthday is that weekend so the gf may do some kind of crazy thing, but I’d like to play.

by Smegmalicious on Jun 30, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out. as usual

You can run, but you can't hide! Unless it's in this general area over here. Blindspot.

by PhilKenSebben on Jun 30, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm in again.

Meager turnout last time, but it was still an awesome afternoon.

by Jaejo on Jun 30, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's the key obstacle

I’d take a day off of work to do a weekday softball game, but I’m also fucking crazy.

by Gomez on Jul 1, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've haven't had a weekend off in 5 years.

Fuck all of you.

One Vision, One Purpose
Peace Through Power

by Goose on Jul 1, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we did a weekday softball game, I'd take the day off to play

I know you’re kinda stuck with your days given your line of work.

by Gomez on Jul 1, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd do a weekday

I usually work weekends. Including this Sunday – bleh. I want to show up to one of these.

by AtomicGarden on Jul 1, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I usually work Mon-Fri

But I’m off Monday and Tuesday, the 14th and 15th. I would be able to make it one of those days.

by camomilk on Jul 5, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

up for it this afternoon/evening?

Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo

by wwbaker3 on Jul 1, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gauge interest for Thursday?

I can get an early out from work since people will be bolting early for the holiday anyway.

by Gomez on Jul 1, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thursday would be an awesome day!

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 1, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cry me a river

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 1, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold on while I get out my violin.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 1, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sucks for you.

Europe sucks in general. But sometimes I think they have the right idea. 4 day work weeks. The month of August off… (or is this just France?)

by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Europe sucks?

Really?

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 1, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, all joking aside

I just meant I’d rather live in America except for the fact that they work less, which is totally awesome.

by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh....

You either A) haven’t been to Europe or B) are susceptible to “close-minded drivel”

by brayden04 on Jul 1, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in Europe

It absolutely rules. Well, unless you like hot women and cheap but still good beer. And great food. Oh yeah and lots of cool shit to go see, with an incredible public transit system available for said travel. So I guess if you don’t like any of that stuff then Europe sucks in general.

by coolguyrob on Jul 3, 2008 4:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Where do you live?

by brayden04 on Jul 3, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zagreb, Croatia.

I also lived in Germany for about 8 years total. I left there in late ‘05. I’m still new to Croatia, only been here about 3 weeks, but I love it so far.

by coolguyrob on Jul 3, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard great things about the public transit system

in Prague among other European places. That is one thing (of many) that I wish America would do a better job on.

by LantermanC on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention Europe is way ahead of America in health care.

And not to mention they don’t have the retarded 21 or up drinking law.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 3, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just tell me there won’t be any of this.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 1, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That must have been one hell of a well-placed punch.

Jeez.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 1, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Closed fist to the back of the head?

Either he took a faceplant afterward or that was a skull crushing haymaker from hell.

by Omerta on Jul 2, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever the case

I’m glad the guy is in jail now.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see why I wouldn't be there

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 1, 2008 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Add two for me

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 4, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So who would be down for a possible thursday game?

This would be a lot better for me than Sunday. Anyone?

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 1, 2008 4:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We can gauge interest

We’re still doing Sunday for sure, though.

by Gomez on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's how it works in the accounting business.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am taking a managerial accounting class now

I am thinking about maybe being an accountant. Looks pretty intuitive.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 3, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The numbers never lie, so that's a plus.

Not exactly exciting though. Beats hanging sheetrock like I used to do!

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got that right... it is very boring...

And closing week does suck balls…

by LantermanC on Jul 3, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 5, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bastard.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This does seem like the way to go, imo

Or else get a masters in education, teach gym/english or something easy and coach bball. That seems easyish, no?

by LantermanC on Jul 6, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's why i put gym in there

“Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach gym.”

by LantermanC on Jul 6, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is certainly true.

I find it to be hilarious that high school gym teachers have the same pay scale as high school calculus teachers. They generally want you to be able to teach at least one other subject these days, though.

by acblue on Jul 6, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My AP calculus teacher in high school also taught ballet

if that means anything, but yea. I think most gym teachers coach at least one sport, and I think sometimes, that they are unofficially paid for their coaching services, rather than teaching services. (I don’t think high school sports coaches make anything from actually coaching).

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 6, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I heard you can get a bump up of

3k or so per sport, depending on the sport.
My cross country coach was the head of the English department, taught 1 or 2 classes per trimester, coached cross country and indoor track, and took outdoor track off to train for the Boston Marathon. He was also my house counselor (boarding school). I always thought this was the sweetest job, especially since he ran with us, and his one or two classes were senior classes that he could pick and choose what topic he wanted to choose.

by LantermanC on Jul 6, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering the amount of work involved, 3k is jack squat.

My dad coaches football, but used to coach baseball, wrestling and serve as his school’s A.D. When each sport was in season, he worked close to 40 extra hours per week. He did the math once and figured out that he was making $5.75/hr for coaching, not including his duties as A.D., for which he wasn’t compensated.

by acblue on Jul 6, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but if you coach xc

you can run with the runners, and it’s kind of fun. Not worth it if you go per hour basis, but worth it if you like doing it (like most things in life though)

by LantermanC on Jul 6, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure.

There’s a reason people still coach. They should still be paid better.

by acblue on Jul 6, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should just call your agent and impersonate you or something

next thing you know, you’ll have a contract in some league in Africa!

by seattlebruin on Jul 6, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I doubt they have leagues in Africa…..but who knows. As long as I don’t end up in Iran or Kuwait or something. I am not interested in that.

by brayden04 on Jul 6, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Rwanda. Or Uganda. Or Nigeria. Or Sudan. Or

actually, maybe Africa’s not a great idea.

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So no Matthew or Graham

Shit, maybe we should all take Baker to Beerfest and load him up instead ;P

by Gomez on Jul 2, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm...

tempting

although i still like to play on Sunday

Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo

by wwbaker3 on Jul 2, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get drunk and then go play.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh.....

Being drunk is NOT going to improve the quality of the LL softball games!

by brayden04 on Jul 2, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the standpoint of hilarity, yes.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, to be fair

If we all agreed to bunt and everyone played infield, it could get hilarious very quickly.

by Gomez on Jul 2, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a Gribble of an idea, Gomez.

I would pay money to watch that.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take the bus.

You’ll be drunk, the smell won’t be as bad.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would take the bus

and by take the bus, I mean stumble down 12th Ave and hopefully not get hit.

by Gomez on Jul 2, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit shit shit shit shit

I just sprained my ankle on my way back from lunch. I was hurrying across 3rd Avenue when I planted my right foot and it rolled badly and gave out. I can’t believe I was able to limp the extra block plus back to work… though the fact I could enough weight on it to limp back indicates it’s not broken or otherwise badly injured. It doesn’t hurt terribly, but it’s swelling a bit.

I’m now questionable, if not doubtful, for Sunday.

by Gomez on Jul 3, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Were you hurrying to get out of the way of a taxi Carlos Beltran was driving?

Kidding aside, that sucks man. R-I-C-E and such.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 3, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't take your shoe off until you get home

because the minute you do it will swell like a mofo. The rest of your work day keep it as elevated as possible, and yes, RICE it all evening.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 3, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then walk on it tomorrow.

Sounds weird, but it’s actually best to use your ankle quite a bit after a sprain. Gets the blood flowing and helps speed the recovery process. It’s best to walk with no limp, even if it is painful.

by brayden04 on Jul 3, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Counterintuitive, but it works.

And ibuprofen. Two in the morning, two at night.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 3, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hurt my ankle in the 8th grade and the first doctor that I saw told me to do this.

Unfortunately, it was actually a hairline fracture, and walking on it made it bad enough that it had to be in a cast for two months. Those two months coincided with a major growth spurt, and since the break was across the growth plate, shoe shopping is more difficult than it should be.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 3, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That blows

Lucky for Gomez, I doubt he is still growing.

by brayden04 on Jul 3, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness

going to see Sleater-Kinney after injuring the ankle was probably not the smartest decision ever made.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jul 3, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the advice, all you guys

I’ve got ice on it, and it obviously hurts a bit, but I can put enough weight on it to comfortably limp around the room, and the swelling doesn’t look too bad. I’ll RICE it, take it easy once I get home and hope for a quick recovery.

by Gomez on Jul 3, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fill me in here, what is RICE?

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rest

Ice
Compression
Elevation

by brayden04 on Jul 3, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't figure out the "R".

I had the rest of them, but I was stuck at “ICE”.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wuss.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am kidding though.

As someone with two bad ankles (well, one bad, one horrific), I know how that feels.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 3, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, after two days, it's feeling much better

I was able to walk around on it fine yesterday with a brace and wrap. I do a lot of walking in general, and was able to walk half a mile to catch a bus, though a bit slower than usual, and walk some more after that. I didn’t run around or anything, and there were moments of minor twinges of pain. It’s still a bit swollen and it’s got the requisite bruising. I’m still not too sure about playing, but I also didn’t expect it to feel this good after a couple days.

by Gomez on Jul 5, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, in case you weren't sure

I’m probably going to be there whether I can play or not.

by Gomez on Jul 5, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not going to make it

Sorry have to work all day. Have fun guys.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 5, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

damn you

Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo

by wwbaker3 on Jul 5, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I work at a restaurant as a cook

But yea, I may be probable. It may be slow enough tomorrow where they will let me go early. If that’s the case, I will head down there as soon as I get off. But otherwise I won’t be able to make it.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 5, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I'm planning to come and I'm going to probably bring a buddy

The only problem is he’s from Uruguay, so he might try to kick the ball or something, I don’t know. Is there a limit on the amount of people I can bring? I might be able to recruit a couple of bodies if we need them.

by Smegmalicious on Jul 5, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thinking about coming out tommorow, and bringing the GF.

How’s the parking situation down there?

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 5, 2008 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it's good,

there’s a parking lot right there on 12th and cherry…don’t worry

c’mon out!

Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo

by wwbaker3 on Jul 5, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're in

We will bring a bucket of softballs and a couple of bats.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 5, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thingray + Jeanuts (my GF and new LL member) are in for sure.

We’ll be headng down from Everett and be there before 1:00. I just went out in the garage and looked, and some of the softballs are the slightly smaller “girl” balls from our co-ed league, but they’ll still work if we need them.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 5, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fantastic!

Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo

by wwbaker3 on Jul 5, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See y'all tomorrow.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 5, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am coming

and bringing 2 with me

by camomilk on Jul 5, 2008 11:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow,

we’re getting a good size group tomorrow!

sweet!

Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo

by wwbaker3 on Jul 5, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I knew this was going to happen to :(

when I couldn’t make it there.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jul 5, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind

While I will likely be at the field… I’m not sure I’ll play. I can move around on my foot but not sure it can take a few hours of running after line drives, planting in the batters box and running the bases.

I’ll look to bring a camera and take pics.

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2008 12:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeanuts might not be able to play a full game either.

Her back might not be able to handle it. Still, we should have enough to figure out how to do a decent game.

AKA "BRO-RAY" according to drunk Graham...

by Thingray on Jul 6, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of my two bailed. Which is not surprising at all...

If you ever meet Ben Palmer tell him he’s a god damn retard

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 6, 2008 11:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Heading out!

Insert perverted sports related sexual innuendo

by wwbaker3 on Jul 6, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, guys, that was fun!

My hands are hamburger after hitting all that fungo, but it was really run!

by Smegmalicious on Jul 6, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, pics forthcoming once I upload them

Some are on Jeanuts’ camera, but I’ll see about the ones I’ve got. Hopefully the pic quality is good!

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool. Hopefully they're uploaded sometime tomorrow between 7 am and 4 pm

so I have something to do at work.
Thanks everyone for a great softball game.

by LantermanC on Jul 6, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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