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Ichiro Is Fine

I need to break up Matthew's little hot streak. Whose blog does he think this is?

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Running down the table:

-Ichiro's swing rate on balls outside of the zone hasn't changed at all
-Ichiro's swing rate on balls inside the zone is a little down, but probably not significantly so
-Ichiro's made more contact on balls outside of the zone
-Ichiro's made just as much contact on balls inside the zone as always
-Ichiro's groundball rate is up
-Ichiro's line drive rate is down, but probably not significantly so
-Ichiro isn't lacking for infield hits
-More of Ichiro's balls in play are being turned into outs than ever before

The first thing you might guess is that hitting grounders at the expense of line drives is hurting Ichiro, but I think the opposite is true - this should be helping him. In his groin-grabbingly awesome 2004, he put up a GB% of 63.7 and a LD% of 18.4. Fly balls are what he really wants to avoid, and he's been doing that just fine. So this likely isn't the issue.

The next thing you might guess is that he's being hurt somehow by making more contact on balls outside of the zone, but (A) that seems weird, (B) his O-Contact% was 77.8% last year and he did just fine, and (C) his BABIP on balls outside of the zone is actually higher in 2008 than in 2007, at least according to Josh Kalk's combined PITCHf/x tool. The culprit here appears to be BABIP on strikes.

Another thing I've seen here and there every so often is the suggestion that opposing defenses are learning how to play Ichiro better. They're not. This is, has always been, and will continue to be stupid.

You could go through a laundry list of potential reasons why Ichiro's numbers are down, but just because he's a unique player doesn't mean there has to be a unique explanation. He's been unlucky. Despite zero convincing evidence that his skills are eroding, he's struggling to match his recent batting lines, and when you see that happen to someone luck should automatically be the first thing that comes to mind.

Adjust Ichiro's performance so far to that .353 '05-'07 BABIP and you've got yourself a .319 BA with a .377 OBP. In other words, business as usual. Barring something unforeseen, I expect Ichiro's numbers from this point forward to look a lot more familiar than they have to date. If his batting average between tomorrow and the end of the season isn't in or around the .310-.330 range, I'll eat a hat.*

* or a delicious sandwich

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Thanks for posting this Jeff

I’ve been defending Ichiro to my Yankee fan coworkers, this will give me more ammunition.

by coolguyrob on Jun 27, 2008 12:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Could his higher outside the zone contact imply weak contact of said balls?

Thus, the lower babip? He seems to make more contact with balls outside of the zone, but it doesn’t help him in this case. Or am I looking too far into the data?

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jun 27, 2008 2:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just an excerpt.

The next thing you might guess is that he’s being hurt somehow by making more contact on balls outside of the zone, but (A) that seems weird, (B) his O-Contact% was 77.8% last year and he did just fine, and© his BABIP on balls outside of the zone is actually higher in 2008 than in 2007, at least according to Josh Kalk’s combined PITCHf/x tool. The culprit here appears to be BABIP on strikes.

by Faux on Jun 27, 2008 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think this might have to do with being a CF between two wounded buffaloes?

Ichiro’s BABIP has always been higher than expected due to his speed and batting style. If he’s wearing down that is where it would show up first, no?

the artist formerly known as Mere Tantalisers.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 27, 2008 9:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He was fine last year.

Give you're propers to the all time rec leader.

by JI on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...Jeff...what if he's actually beginning his decline phase?

I know it’s not a popular thing to say around here. Training regimen, Ichiro is a superhero, face of the franchise, blah blah blah…but I think right now that it’s equally plausible that Ichiro is in the beginnings of his decline phase. That doesn’t mean he still can’t be an immensely valuable player during this period (though moreso in CF than RF…aaaugh), but I worry that this is a bit rosy-colored in its analysis.

(Aw shit…did I just get myself banned?)

I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.

by esoteric on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All of the peripheral stats don't show decline.

His contact rate is as good as ever, it doesn’t appear that he’s lost a step. The only real big difference, from what I’m seeing, is his BABIP.

by BrianL on Jun 27, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're mistaking me for an Ichiro fanboy.

If I saw evidence of a decline, I’d say he’s on the decline. But I don’t.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 27, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me that this is the whole point of the post,

trying to see if this is a decline phase of talent.

The numbers are right there. Do you question the interpretation?

by Matthew on Jun 27, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm just intensely stupid.

Well, that and I wonder whether the significant decline in BABIP could mean something in terms of decline. Normally that would be a silly argument, given the general unrepeatability of such a skill. But given the previously high level estabilished level set by Ichiro, it’s possible that the precipitous drop is a manifestation of something else – perhaps bat speed issues, or the increased groundball rate – that marks a decline.

Really, I think the proper answer here is “it could go either way.” There is a chance that Ichiro’s decline in BABIP (really the only significant variance between this season and the last) is just statistical noise, and that it’ll regress (progress?) back to the mean in the next few months. But it could also be the first signs of something more ominous too.

And you know what? This sure isn’t a very sabermetric thing to say, but I can’t help but feel that the pathetic state of the M’s has something to do with his performance this season. Say what you want about Ichiro living in another mental universe than most players, but I have to think that being in the center of this maelstrom – and being the target of notable discontent from teammates, apparently, for “being selfish” (such bullshit, but it is what it is) – would have an effect on him.

I root for the two worst teams in baseball, non-ironically.

by esoteric on Jun 27, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way I would see the low BABIP being a sustainable drop in talent

would be if Ichiro were slowing down and thus more of his GBs were turning into outs rather than hits. But, his steals are way up and his infield hit percentage is up.

It still could be, I think the proper conclusion, at this time, though is to say there’s no concrete evidence yet of a decline.

by Matthew on Jun 27, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach would be proud of those commas.

Give you're propers to the all time rec leader.

by JI on Jun 27, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one after be was supposed to be a .

Other than that, they’re all useful.

by Matthew on Jun 27, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steals and speed

Steals are up because he’s trying more often. And he’s used his super human powers to learn to get better jumps off of the pitchers.

I think it’s a combinatino of bad luck and a slight loss of foot speed. Can’t prove it, but it’s inevitable. If he loses half a step then that equates to a lot of outs over the the course of a season.

by solap1 on Jun 27, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No evidence?

He’s getting to base less often on the same types of hits. He’s older. That’s evidence, isn’t it? Granted, it’s not categorical, but neither is any of what we call evidence.

Does anyone know what his rate of getting to balls out of his zone has done in the past couple of years? It’s hard to compare since he changed positions.

by solap1 on Jun 28, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm an idiot

I just check his SB% and I’m an idiot. It’s 93.4% so far this year, up from 82.2% last year.

Me = idiot

Donations accepted.

by solap1 on Jun 28, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A HAT is in fact a delicious sandwich

The Ham, Avocado, Tomato is often overlooked because it does not bring the greasy yumminess of Bacon to the table. However, it is a delightful sandwich. Teams well with rye and Emmenthaler.

by Sec 108 on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

That old, tired expression is now fresh and exciting.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jun 27, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you assume it is a substitute?

Cannot ham be a sandwich ingredient of it’s own accord? Why do people just always go for the bacon?

If you are confused by the logic then you are making it too difficult. Rye bread, Emmenthaler, mayo, mustard, ham, avocado and tomato make a yummy sandwich. Therefore, eating a HAT is not really all that bad an activity to undertake.

by Sec 108 on Jun 27, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there any stat to indicate how hard Ichiro is hitting the ball?

I would think a hard hit groundball (etc.) would be harder to field and therefore more likely to result in a hit. Couldn’t Ichiro decline insomuch that his balls in play are simply easier to field? That would result in a drop in BABIP.

by John Morgan on Jun 27, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The thought occurred to me that if we worked for the Ms

we could lobby to get the front office to help sponsor the creation of hit f/x under a competitive advantage argument.

by Matthew on Jun 27, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Data exclusivity!

We could make it worth Sportvision’s while.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 27, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine if got the team to finance hit f/x development

at least at SafeCo, and had the three of us working full time as analysts?

Nah, that would be all advantageous and shit.

by Matthew on Jun 27, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'd only need one of us

we agree on everything anyway.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 27, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also cannot decide on lunch.

Does not making a decision count as disagreeing?

by Matthew on Jun 27, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

that’s agreeing on indecisiveness.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 27, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just reminded me of what happens when my wife calls

Right after I have finished lunch to ask what I want for dinner.

Who the hell knows what they want to eat 5 hours down the road when their stomach is currently full?

by Sec 108 on Jun 27, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get angry when people do this to me as well.

I don’t even know what I want to eat 15 minutes ahead of time.

by Matthew on Jun 27, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The correct answer there is

I don’t care, just fix it and have it ready when I get home, woman.

And yes, I’ve discovered my couch is a very comfortable place to sleep.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jun 27, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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