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Today is the NBA draft where the second of Seattle's two competently run franchises (from an on-field standpoint) sets to determine their future. There are a lot of hot rumors surrounding the Sonics right now, who were originally linked to Arizona combo Jerryd Bayless, but now have apparently completed a trade down to #7 where they're expected to take Stanford C Brook Lopez. They've also been linked to UCLA combo Russell Westbrook at 4.

I was planning on using this post to semi-blog the first round (but I won't be in front of a TV, so I was just going to make fun of whoever ends up picking Anthony Randolph and his 6-11, 200 lb frame)

On the draft, I will continue to maintain that OJ Mayo is the best player in this draft IF he's allowed to play point. He's got great court vision, and the only reason his assists aren't higher is that his teammates at USC legitimately sucked.

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And speaking of... the details of the trade:

The Clippers and Sonics have agreed to swap picks as long as the Wolves take O.J. Mayo at No. 3. If Mayo isn’t drafted at 3, the deal is off according to two sources close to the information.

So it sounds like either the Sonics want Mayo or they’ll get a better offer for the 4th pick should he be available there.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, that's what it sounds like, which means that Presti probably targeted Mayo sometime ago

and used Bayless as a smokescreen hoping Mayo would fall.

I LOVE Mayo’s game in terms of fit with the Sonics (and remember where this is coming from… grrrrrr). I really doubt Mayo falls though. He seems to be pretty entrenched at 3 regardless of who ends up making the pick.

I’m not gonna lie – I’m intrigued by the idea of pairing Beasley and Durant though, given that they’re best friends and while both are genuinely horrific defenders, they both have the athleticism to eventually grow into good defensive players.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like this pairing at all.

It’s tough to win with two of those kind of guys. They both need the ball to be succesful on offense, and they both suck at defense. Plus, that keeps Jeff Green on the bench, and he was a First Team Rookie.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True - from a basketball standpoint it doesn't make a whole lot of sense

unless you’re utterly convinced that Durant can handle the two or that the two of them will get along so well (because of their friendship) that they’ll defer to each other for better shots.

I still love Mayo’s game – what do you think of him? (Though I’m guessing you haven’t seen too much of him)

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure they'd get along

But playing two no-defense guys is recipe for disaster. Even if Durant/Beasley put up 50+ a night they will still give up 45 on the other end. We have too many other holes (see: rest of roster). Assuming we don’t get Mayo, I don’t think we’ll get someone who will be a superstar. All the guys after the top 3 have significant flaws. But that’s not a terrible thing, we can still get a very useful player. I hope it’s a guard, for a couple reasons. The bigs that will get drafted high (Love, Brooks) are NOT going to be any good in the pros. And the NBA is more and more becoming a guards game. And if we get some guard who can be a useful PG, that’d be great.

I haven’t seen much of Mayo. Not enough to really judge him, just 2 games. He didn’t shoot well when I saw him, but apparently he has supposed to have a good jumper. His past scares me, I don’t see how this guy doesn’t have more questions than Michael Beasley.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayo's actually answered a lot of the concerns - the biggest thing with him was always the handlers

rather than the kid himself. From all accounts, he was an absolutely model citizen at SC (aside from a well-publicized practice scuffle), and seems to have gotten rid of a large portion of his posse over the past year.

I’m gonna disagree on Kevin Love (this is the homer glasses talking). I think he can be a solid contributor in the NBA provided he doesn’t get destroyed on defense. His outlet passing would go really well with a running team, and he’s not quite as slow as people say he is – he just looks more awkward than he actually is.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His skills will prevent him from being a bust

I agree with that. But that guy can barely get off the floor. And the NBA has shifted to being guard-and-athleticism-oriented. I think he’s coming into the league about 20 years too late.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh... he's not explosive, but I also don't think he's as unathletic as people have pegged him

again, still homer glasses, but I think he has just enough athleticism to cut it as a very solid NBA player

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody's lying...

Percy Allen says, via “Sonics team source,” the trade is bogus

Ian Thomsen also has a “league source” who said it wasn’t final

Also note that Thomsen leaves out the dependency on Mayo not being the third pick and thinks LA is after Mayo at #4, which is just crazy talk. If Mayo’s there at 4, the Sonics take him and watch him and Kevvie-D star for the next decade in… um… the NBA.

by niko on Jun 26, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And RE: Sonics trade

Yikes, this is a steal

The Sonics will pick up L.A.’s 2009 first-round pick (protected) in exchange for the three-spot drop.

This is what happens when a very good GM trades with a very bad one. The good one gets the player he wants and a free first round selection.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 2:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like it's lottery protected (not even Elgin Baylor is THAT stupid)

so it’s unlikely we see the pick until 2010, but that’s still fine. We already hold two first rounders next year, including (what I believe is) an unprotected one from Phoenix who just might suck next season.

It’s just amazing sometimes how easy it is to build assets in MLB/NBA merely by refusing to give into hype and not showing your hand two months before the draft. The rumors are that LA is trading up to take Russell Westbrook, who is the “hot name” all over the draft right now. Now Russ is a good player, has all kinds of potential, and is genuinely a nice guy. He shouldn’t be the fourth pick of the NBA Draft. Period.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly...

It’s the Spurs pick next year, Sun’s the year after

by niko on Jun 26, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap, you're correct.

nbadraft.net is listing it as Phoenix’s pick, I forgot to check.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How are things looking for the Schultz lawsuit?

Captain Raptor and the Space Pirates is one of the greatest literary achievements of the Modern Era.

by Frosty Raptor on Jun 26, 2008 2:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No fucking clue.

That kind of a lawesuit doesn’t have a whole lot of precedent.

by BrianL on Jun 26, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Bucks trade Yi

to New Jersey for Richard Jefferson and Bobby Simmons. That sure was an interesting year in Milwaukee for him.

by melack on Jun 26, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That one might go down as the worst lottery pick of all time

they took a project type guy whose national government had no desire to see him in Milwaukee… and wound up dealing him a year later for a guy who’s not nearly worth the dollar signs on his contract.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Bucks definitely aren't in Win Now mode.

And Jefferson isn’t getting any younger.

by melack on Jun 26, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which means they basically wasted a good pick (#6) overall in a good draft

Woooo for NBA teams that make terrible decisions! I’m starting to think that Bill Simmons wouldn’t do all that awful of a job…

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a very good point.

And it’s pretty safe to say that Simmons wouldn’t think things like “you know what, the Chinese project guy’s powerful national government has expressed that they don’t want him to play here, but I’m going to risk a minor international incident over a fucking basketball player who’s not all that good to begin with.”

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.

I’m still torn though. Part of me is excited to see who we get, and the other part doesn’t care because we might not have a team here anyway.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Jun 26, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to continue to act as if nothing is wrong

and then letterbomb the hell out of Clay Bennett if they do move.

You know, I seem to remember something happening in OKC in like 1995…

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the mindset I'm trying to take as well,

but it’s tough with all the lawsuit coverage in the news.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Jun 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scoop Jackson is really good at his job
4. The Nuggets trade J.R. Smith and a future No. 1 pick to the Sonics for the fourth pick
… And draft Russell Westbrook. How beautiful would that be? Westbrook in the backcourt with AI? The enigma that has become J.R. Smith can move elsewhere, taking the mental mistakes that have haunted him in the past two playoffs. Regardless of whether Melo is in a Nuggets uniform in November or whether George Karl is the coach in January, Westbrook - the second coming of Baron Davis - would fit in Denver as Tim Russert did in the “Meet the Press” chair.

Why would you ever even CONSIDER doing this? JR Smith has less value then Miguel Batista… and he’s worth the fourth overall pick in the draft??! ARGHHHH I can’t believe how stupid you would have to be to ever let that thought reach your mind…

/end self-righteous indignation

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 3:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey my Pacers are "BURNING THE TREE!"

Fuck yes. Please Basketball Jesus…destroy (in the good way) this retched, retched team.

by SethGrandpa on Jun 26, 2008 3:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is not my USC bias speaking at all

but I want Mayo on the Sonics so bad. He’s athletic and a great defender. The Sonics have been awful at defense for I don’t know how many years and Durant isn’t going to learn to play it any time soon. Getting a potentially lock down SG who can also score but is willing to defer to Durant would be awesome.

I think Mayo would love to be on a team where he doesn’t always have to shoulder the load.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've already said that

I will jump for joy if the Sonics end up with him. I genuinely think he’s the best player in this draft, and is potentially the answer at point.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point?

I’m really not sold on OJ as a PG. I think his ball handling is okay for one on one but I don’t think he’s good enough to run the show. He deferred to Daniel effing Hackett a lot last year.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's going to have a tough time in the NBA

at the 2. There aren’t a lot of modern 2-guards that are 6’3”-6’4” that were good. In fact, the only one I can think of is Allen Iverson….

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Iverson smaller than that?

Either way the Sonics have huge needs at 1 and 2, so if Mayo can fill one of those for a decade that would be awesome.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the one thing that no one talks about with Mayo

is that even if he can’t handle the 1 on offense, he can guard both guard positions, which frees you up to play any kind of PG you want, kind of like the Clippers with Livingston (they could play an undersized quick 2-guard and have him guard the other teams point)

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figure this is because

people got sick of his hype and when he didn’t come on and start throwing down 40 ppg people decided to ignore him.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I said Iverson...

I’m trying to think of others….

I guess Ben Gordon is mildly successful.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cuttino Mobely

and all of the 6-3 SGs that came into the league when execs thought no-look passes and reasonable ball handling skills equaled All-Star point guards (Marbury, Francis, etc.)

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mobley's been alright

Francis and Marbury, I say no.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's because Floyd wanted to run the offense around Mayo as a shooter though

He had the ball in the endgame most of the time.

RE: his ball handling – I think that’s something that will improve – he’s only 20, after all, and his court vision is very good. If he can stick at the 1 (kind of like how I feel about Triunfel if he can somehow stick at short) with his size and jumper, he’s a plus plus PG for the next 12-15 years.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Coug so only watched USC when they played us last year,

but the Trojans’ offense looked to be something along the lines of “stand at the corners and see what O.J. can do.” I didn’t see a plan, or any support or anything else resembling a real offense. Just a talented, raw, probably overwhelmed kid asked to do everything.

Two-game sample size, but I was disappointed in what Floyd had going.

by Teej on Jun 26, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

I think the Cougs were probably the toughest team for us to play last year, and this is in a year where we had ucla twice, Memphis and Kansas.

For whatever reason the cougits defense just stifled our offense. I want to say we had injuries for one of those games as well. I do remember everyone on the team being cold and OJ deciding to take over after realizing no one else was able to do anything.

In our better games we got a lot more post production out of Taj Gibson, and Davon Jefferson, with guys like Hackett and Lewis hitting open jumpers created by OJ and Davon.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It makes sense though, because they're the kind of team that gets under the skin of a guy like Jefferson

We had a lot of trouble with them too (the only reason we won both games was superhuman effort in game 2 and a ridiculously hot streak in game 1)

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense.

A lot of offenses were made to look bad by WSU.

by Teej on Jun 26, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they've got some talent coming in.

It’ll never be a top-notch program because, you know, Pullman, but if he can start recruiting at least some B-level classes, he’s going to put together something awesome. He kind of has already, by our standards.

by Teej on Jun 26, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

the draft is on ESPN360, so I can watch at work!

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It just crashed IE for me

so meh so far.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is odd

because it worked earlier for the Euro match.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now it seems stable

I love the ESPN never graduate commercials. Come back college football!

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I've seen that one

excellent depiction of bRuin alums as child hating monsters.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eric Gordon

Let’s see….

undersized
poor ball-handler
despite reputation as a great shoot, only shot 33% from college 3 pt line last season

I am totally against Eric Gordon.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eric Gordon has bust written all over him

Which is why I bet the Clippers trade up for him…

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Clips for making predicting you so easy

just figure out what the dumbest possible thing is, and predict that. It’s so simple!

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we can all agree

no one wants Lopez.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn't be the worst thing ever...

but I’ll be about 40 billion times happier with Mayo than Lopez.

Could be worse. It could be Anthony Randolph.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crowd heckling Stern

haha.

“I thought that would get a cheer”

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

using team stats for individuals.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shoot the three Derek

shoot the three!

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also I wonder how is candy addiction

comes to pass.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whew

I thought Miami was taking Mayo.

Captain Raptor and the Space Pirates is one of the greatest literary achievements of the Modern Era.

by Frosty Raptor on Jun 26, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Beasley to Miami

no shocker there.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

let them not take Mayo.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG crap

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They play basketball in Minnesota?

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Name five Timberwolves not including Mayo.

Al Jefferson… shit.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy Foye

um… um…

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

how many more mothers they talk to at the NBA draft than fathers.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just what we need...

Another too-young center prospect from California with funky hair.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea

someone who’s watching, who the hell is on the clock?

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN says the Sonics...

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't talk about the Sonics, ESPN...

Great job being impartial, fellas.

Pat Riley, tell me how my ass tastes.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does GTE apply for the draft?

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Westbrook...

Not awful epic fail like we expected.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No trade

SOnics are drafting at 4

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Russell Westbrook

I’m happy with this pick.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT but brayden...

Which hoops team are you playing for this weekend?

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know,

It’s my buddies team. I’m not even sure what league it’s in. Why do you ask?

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My team I work for (Bellingham Slam) are in their league finals...

And they go on this weekend in Monroe.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's the same.

I am pretty sure this is a Seattle league. I played in one game at the Garfield Community Center.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Russ...

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a fantastic defensive player, jumps out of the building and is aggressive

has good form on his shot, but it’s still a work in progress. Court vision and handle are OK… may be able to handle the point part time, but most of us who watched him this year think he’s probably a combo for life – he just isn’t a natural enough passer to be a full time point guard

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

6'3"

Athletic, good defender. PG.

Can’t shoot well from distance, but this is the best pick we could’ve made at this point.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a good player... but if you had to pick a top ten guy this year who was going to be a huge bust it'd be Gordon

he’s not the shooter that he’s advertised as, is a bad defender, and is undersized to boot.

All in all, not a can’t miss combo

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got hurt.

Didn’t shoot like he was suppposed to. And he can’t dribble. Not going to be able to create his own shot in the NBA. Too small.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was the Sonics team assessment "Needs a city"?

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

at least Westbrook can play defense.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about that

the Sonics now have exactly 1 player capable of playing defense.

The Seahawks are probably the Seattle team that most values defense.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounders FC

Woo

Captain Raptor and the Space Pirates is one of the greatest literary achievements of the Modern Era.

by Frosty Raptor on Jun 26, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about them?

I’m not even interested in them. I’ve been in LA for 6 years now with the Galaxy. MLS is made of fail.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLS sucks for the most part

I can only get into international competitions.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully he's gone now

please please please please.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally...

I just found out a few weeks ago that one of my coworkers in my unit is his cousin…

My layout.spellcheckDefault goes to 11

by PositivePaul on Jun 26, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was too

up until the point where they said he couldn’t guard a chair

I will not let negativity bring me down.
"Do the right thing."

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then he shaved his head and I started taking

him seriously instead of thinking of him as a hobbit. I still like him anyways.

I will not let negativity bring me down.
"Do the right thing."

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn, Seattle has another 1st round pick (24) and 4 2nd rounders..

My heart would be in this if I knew they’d stay..its a shame.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jun 26, 2008 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They could draft an all-rookie team

Or just make more trades than Mike Ditka.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES

Gay-Love will lead the Grizzlies to a sexy sexy future

by Nick S on Jun 26, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too high

but glad he’s not coming to us.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Must improve

Explosion ability

(probably the least improvable attribute for a basketball player)

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, haha

I’m just happy that Kevin got picked pretty high

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a great runner of the floor

ESPN commentary is great.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I wish I was watching this...

The only question is should I go home in like twenty and take an hour and a half of personal time?

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, please God, don't let the Clippers take Lopez

otherwise I’m permanently going to be having a heart attack until I see Russ suit up for the Sonics

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Italian kid

good player, going to be a huge defensive liability though. Athletic enough to mayyyybeee cut it in a few years

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"He's not going to be a superstar."

Glowing reviews for the Italian.

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Italian players

because they make me think about Italian soccer and I hate the way they play soccer

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 26, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I love it.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN analysis

He’s the rooster… He could be a Derek Jeter/Tiki Barber type person… what the fuck????

by LongLiveTheKings on Jun 26, 2008 5:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"I LIKE TO WIN AND PLAY HARD"

The interview at his best.

Jason Ellison, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lulz

Knicks with the nepotism pick.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear God, I can't believe Russ went fourth overall

we weren’t even sure if he was going to start this time last year

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully he's like a Morrow

Late Bloomer. I like the fact that he’s great at defense. And for a guy who couldn’t dunk 3 years ago.. He’s crazy good at it now.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Late growth spurt.

He was 5-11 as a junior and grew four inches as a senior (which is why the high majors didn’t offer him until the late signing period)

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, kind of weird. 5'11", can't dunk well

6’3” can now dunk over players with ease.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH

BUST BUST BUST BUST BUST BUST

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like how New Orleans "traded"

their 27th pick for cash considerations to Portland.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How much does a draft pick run these days?

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a rookie scale

All 1st rounders get 2 yrs guarenteed with team options in years 3 and 4.

1st overall will make something like 4 million in his first season, the last pick in hte first round might make 1 million first year.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how much they paid for the pick.

It just said cash consideration.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I realize

What he was asking. doh!

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind.

I think Bayless is a surer thing. But I hate when teams take defense out of the equation. I’d rather build from defense and “intangibles” (like doing the little things like Jeff Green, and being good without having the ball in your hands).

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah,

Thought you were referencing Westbrook. Yeah I’m not a fan of Gordon at all. He’s not athletic enough, and he has “attitude problems” it seems. Bayless has a bit of an attitude problem in that he whine when he doesn’t win, so that’s not that bad. I’m just not a Gordon fan at all. He’ll score 20 a game someday maybe, but he won’t do it efficiently, and won’t contribute much else.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I want them to stop talking about the most freshman ever thing...

The early entry rules changed. That’s it. That’s the whole explanation. Shut up Stuart A Scott.

by LongLiveTheKings on Jun 26, 2008 5:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is Bayless here to MIL, right?

There’s no way they take Augustin at 8…

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A big white guy in Milwaukee

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they traded "the Chairman" away.

Man I didn’t know he spoke Mandarin, I love Joe Alexander even more now!

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Joe Alexander.

Gotta root for the crazy athletic white dude who wasn’t much good 3 years ago.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"With the ninth pick..."

The Bobcats select Brayden, American University.

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm calling Brooke Lopez.

Not sure if he’s a great pick, but they need a center.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Robin

was invited to the green room. Bad idea, there is no way he goes top-20

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish that were true.

I never slept on my twin’s floor sophomore year, but we were roommates for every year in college, so I never had the need. Robin seems way too goofy to be Brook’s twin, and Brook seems too cocky to be Robin’s twin.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish.

Cause then I’d get paid crazy!

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Augustin.

But… I don’t see why Charlotte needs more small guys.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lopez falling like crazy

No way he gets picked by NJN…

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not if Nelson is picking.

He doesn’t like playing 5’s ever it seems. Unless their fast or euro.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BAHAHAHAHA

Brook Lopez is crying!!!!

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHHA

Dude what if Robin goes before him?

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stu Scott (I hate him, btw)

Said, “Brooke Lopez showing some emotion with that pick.”

Cutaway to Brook crying. That was fucking awesome.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are the moments I wish I had DVR.

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know anyone who likes Stu Scott.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TOUGH UP NANCY

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish there was a trade... It makes the drafts more exciting if there's

an in-draft trade.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

They can trade their 1st rounders and some of their foreign or young guys (sergio rodriguez and that other spanish dude, that Duke guy, etc.)

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whooo Brook Lopez, finally

So they have VC, the Chairman, and Brook now (Bobby Simmons too)... drastically different team.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Forgot Devin Harris and Sean Williams

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did they get Devin Harris?

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by Mariner John on Jun 26, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh jeez I was wrong

There you go Brook, now you can cry.

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I never understood why they have Jay Bilas'

on this thing. His knowledge is a lot worse than Chad Ford’s. And he doesn’t write much on the draft until the actual draft day. He also seems to like everyone…

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha, I'd love to be drafted just so I could have Stephen A Smith yell at me.

I’d be like “stop yelling!”

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Though he is better than Stu Scott

Since Stu has NO IDEA who anyone is… when Deron Williams got drafted his remark was “7 tattoos(forget the exact number) on this guy, but he still has character)

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Smith over Scott anyday of the week.

Stephen A. Smith is fucking terrible. I’m tired of his racist bullshit.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paid vacation, bitch =)

only what, five more years til you get paid for sitting at home on “sick” days?

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pacers are so lucky.

Don’t trade up and still get Bayless.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chad ford says this about Augustin

“A little bit of a surprise. We’ve been hearing all day that the Bobcats are shopping Raymond Felton. I guess this confirms it. They passed on a need (Brook Lopez) to get Augustin. He’s an upgrade over Felton, so it’s hard to criticize the Bobcats. Augustin has a chance to be special. The Blazers and Kings wanted him and have to be crushed right now.”

How can he say he’s an upgrade over Felton… chances are that he is NOT an upgrade…

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Felton is awful

Bad shooter. Lot’s of turnovers.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm.. his 3pt percentage has gotten worse every year...

and his fg is hovering at around 40%. Ok, other than shooting he is fairly good. But he definitely should not be putting up 200-300 3’s per season.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think ESPN is stuck in an infinite loop...

Stephen A. Smith (loudly): People say you aren’t a natural point guard; how do you respond to that?

Player: I just want to play whatever position the team asks me to play.

by busplunger on Jun 26, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Haha, yeah definitely.

I don’t see the point in interviews if they only ask one general question.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Thompson THIS early??

Surprise of the draft so far.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh, who?

From what college?

Prepare to be back next year, Kings fans.

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by GoodKeith on Jun 26, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever happened to Kerry Kittles anyways?

Or is he old now… I feel like he was a young good player 5 years ago…

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Old

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jun 26, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Rush for Portland, my guess.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind

Whoever called Bayless to Portland is right..
“Bayless really slid in the draft, which makes him a great value here. Why would the Pacers draft another point guard after trading for T.J. Ford? We’re hearing Bayless is going to Portland for No. 13 and Jarrett Jack.”

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow if they get Rush at 13 and Jack for Bayless

that is all kinds of a good trade for Indiana

by Nick S on Jun 26, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good for both I think.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well still right I guess...

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Randolph could be really good.

Til I found out he shot 46%.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dickie V has no idea who Gallinari is

and has no idea that he dominated one of the better leagues in Europe this year at age 19. There is no Darko there

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He never knows any international players.

All he does is gush over college players, especially Duke and UNC, and upperclassmen.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not far behind Brook.

I wonder how Brook would’ve reacted if Robin was picked first.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooh.. Marreese Speights

I was hoping he’d fall to us, though he’s too short to play the 5. He also can’t spell his first name. Also I’m a bit weary of the Horford comparisons just because he went to the same school… Just like I’m weary of the Robin Lopez/Anderson Varejao/ Sideshow Bob comparisons

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The person we're hoping for is Donte Greene

there’s no way he gets to 24, but you can hope

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Serious?

He’s Rashard Lewis Light. We don’t need more small forwards.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want CDR.

Or Courtney Lee, or Kyle Weaver later since he reminds me of Jeff Green but at the 1/2 instead of 3/4. I dont know anything about Alexis Ajinca, Serge Ibaka, or Nathan Jawai, but any of the 3 would be fine with me, expecially Serge since he’s compared to Shawn Kemp a lot.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CDR is fine

Serge Ibaka is a lot more likely to be Mouhamed Sene than Shawn Kemp

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said during the NCAA finals that if the Sonics got Rose or CDR in the draft, I'd go to at least five games next year.

Which is funny, seeing as how the NCAA finals were canceled due to that freak asteroid storm and never actually happened.

As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.

by acblue on Jun 26, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Roy Hibbert gone.

One guy I was afraid we might get if he fell to us.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Passed out.

Sick, been working a basketball camp all week. I’m dead.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we just fastforward to pick 24 already...

and then our next 4 picks…

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good trade for Portland

I like Diogu, still think he can be pretty good, not an all star but great spot starter/bench guy. Better than Glen Davis, better than even Powe perhaps.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope we don't take Kosta Koufos

I couldn’t root for a player with that name

Yes that’s how I sometimes judge players, sue me

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 26, 2008 6:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just don't like his game.

I don’t think he’ll fall to 24 anyways.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every time Stern has "so and so is not here"

it’s like a slap in the face to Darrell Arthur

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

says* not has

mind fart or something I guess..

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know Alexis Ajinca was there

Cool.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

“two weeks ago 1 on 0, and he was unstoppable”
well… obviously…

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope we don't pick DeAndre Jordan.

He looks athletic, but he could very well be another 7 foot bust that we seem to be so fond of.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like all of them as players

but I don’t see the point in another sf… since we have Durant and Green.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What have we learned from the Mariners?

Always take the best player, always take the best player, always take the best player

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball's different.

Players are several years away. There are 11 positions.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With this kind of value at this pick, don't draft for need.

You’ll get burned more often than not. Worst case, they have a lot of value as trade chips

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Anderson! woah...

Pac 10 pride

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love him.

Top 10 favorite player.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Asian Pride?

Who’s with me… Graham?

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woooooooooooo!

Though there are no Japanese people in the NBA

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuta Tabuse

for 10 days or so.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's wearing the jersey, good enough for me.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 10

1. Kyle Lowry
2. Jeff Green
3. Emeka Okafor
4. David Lee
5. Johan Petro (I know)
6. Brandon Roy
7. Kevin Durant
8. Dwight Howard
9. Josh Smith
10. Shaq

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 26, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 10

1. Steve Nash
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Ray Allen
4. Kirk Hinrich
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Luke Ridnour
7. Brandon Roy
8. Nick Collison
9. Rashard Lewis
10. Luke Ridnour

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is JJ Redick?

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jun 26, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot him

him and Morrison would be there if I had top 15

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your list could kick my list's ass

As long as you have both Luke Ridnours playing

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 26, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

Didn’t notice that, replace 2nd ridnour with Dwight Howard

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football top 5

1. Patrick Kerney
2. Julian Peterson
3. Marcus Trufant
4. Lofa Tatupu
5. Zak DeOssie

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More likely than not

Jazz don’t pick Arthur, and then the Sonics don’t take him either.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kosta Koufas?

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jazz select

Koufas! Arthur and Greene available!

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I'm actually excited about this pick..

Didn’t expect this.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ARTHUR ARTHUR ARTHUR

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jun 26, 2008 6:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Deandre Jordan

cross fingers

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually I wouldn't mind DeAndre

He is the kind of player who might one day put it together, and if he did he would be really good. Kinda like a live-armed minor leaguer.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know, he's definitely got "potential"

but… he already has the body, and wasn’t that good… He should’ve been better than he was.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but big guys are different than guards....

Sometimes it takes longer for them to figure “it” out

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh.

He didn’t play that hard in college. Why will he in the NBA?

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

He’s a real talent this late though. I’d be thrilled with Greene or Chalmers too, anyway.

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised they even mention the move at all

I would’ve though David Stern would’ve silenced any talk about it. They’re talking about us for more than a whole minute?

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Van Gundy speaks the truth!

“the owner doesn’t want them to be there”

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congo Shawn Kemp!

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coming to your 2012

Oklahoma City Thieves (or Ramblers or whatever)

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sonics pick Serge Ibaka wtf

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on Jun 26, 2008 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS WORSE THAN JOSH FIELDS

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no it isnt

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on Jun 26, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

At least Fields you can trade down the line for a Lowe/Varitek maybe. If Ibaka doesn’t pan out, nothing will come of it.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well fuck

there was talk before the draft that we’d nab him but I didn’t want to believe it :(

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Heheee

“In 3 or 4 years, this kid has the potential to be a rebounder/defender.”

-Jay Bilas

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Boozer Rashard Lewis?

I think Gilbert Arenas before Rashard Lewis,

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He should go "Ichiro" style and have

“Serge” on his back. I’d definitely buy that.

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Arhtur, Batum, Greene

drop to 32?

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greene won't, but I'm hopeful for maybe Chalmers

since I’m still not convinced Russ is a PG long term

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is this?

Suikoden?

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by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chrono Cross

What a weird reference to see on a sports blog.

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by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to Lookout Landing!

Have you found Carmen Sandiego yet?

by BrianL on Jun 26, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I didn't play this.

I let my twin play it, we “share” rpgs. I play one and he plays a different one. Divide and conquer or something like that.

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kidneys?

When has a kidney problem ever been an issue?

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reply mistake..

I fail… that was in regards to Arthur

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good point, but he's still good

And he’s 35 now. LJ has been gone for a long time, Mourning just retired.

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LJ = Larry Johnson?

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jun 26, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is saying Ibaka could be the next Shawn Kemp

Those people are the same people who said Mo Sene could be the next Dikembe Mutumbo

by Nick S on Jun 26, 2008 6:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who wants to sex Sene

doesn’t have the same ring to it.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 26, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who the hell is George Hill?

Never heard of him or his school…

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Breaking News!

Jay Bilas just said a player needed to get stronger!

by busplunger on Jun 26, 2008 7:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW GIDDENS

I actually like that pick, but we’re gonna get a STEAL at 32

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 7:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BAYLESS IS MORE PROVEN THAN WESTBROOK?

THAT’S THE DUMBEST THING I’VE EVER HEARD

by seattlebruin on Jun 26, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he just means Bayless had to carry Arizona more..

and Westbrook could rely on Collison, Mbah a Moute, Love, and Howland knowing what to do instead of the Lute Olsen situation.

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devon Hardin

Sweet, Pac 10 again

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

seriously...

The entire Pac-10 is getting drafted. If somebody picks Ryan Appleby I’ll know it’s all a dream.

by busplunger on Jun 26, 2008 8:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Appleby

my favorite college player of all time.

by LantermanC on Jun 26, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twelve Pac-10 players and counting...

And now a guy just got drafted from the NBDL. I give up; I have no idea what’s going on. Except that Jay Bilas says he has a “terrific motor”, which also describes every other player Jay Bilas has talked about. I bet he also has a good wingspan.

by busplunger on Jun 26, 2008 8:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sasha Kaun

Is apparently a curly, white, Russian clone of DeVon Hardin.

Also, ESPN says the Sonics just picked the 54th-best player with the 56th pick. Dude, guys! We got a steal! Guys? Hey, where is everybody?

by busplunger on Jun 26, 2008 8:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The more I look at this draft, the better I feel about it.

Russell Westbrook #4
While not a good shooter, he’s a lockdown defender which will be invaluble to us in the future (assuming its in seattle) cause we have to compete with CP3 and Deron Williams out West. Also, he reminds me a lot of Dwanye Wade. Both undersized, didn’t have a position coming into the league, can’t shoot from outside, freakish athleticism, like to get out in transition. This pick could turn out really well. And even if it doesn’t you have a lockdown perimeter defender

Serge Ibaka #24
Who knows with this pick, he’s only 18 and likely to sign a 3 year deal in Europe. I think that’s good, growing up in Africa he’s probably extremely raw (playing on dirt and hardwood are not the same….jk). But he’s big and freakishly athletic, so he could flip a switch in his development and give us a great big man.

D.J. White #29
I love this pick. Good low post scorer, works hard, rebounds well. Undersized and his athleticism hasn’t returned since his knee injuries, but he could turn into a Leon Powe type of energy player off the bench for us. He’s one of those picks you don’t pay attention to and then all the sudden he’s making big plays in an important game (we’re tryin to get 25 wins next year!!!)

DeVon Hardin #50
Meh. This pick won’t matter.

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

SeattleBruin

What do you think of the draft?

by brayden04 on Jun 26, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts on the draft

First, a giant disclaimer – Serge Ibaka has a chance to be a really good player, and I trust Sam Presti. This may have been the right move, given that we don’t have to pay him for a few years and we can just let him sit and develop in Europe, wherever he plays (France, I believe)

Russell Westbrook – I’m definitely going to have the most to say basketball wise about Russ since I’ve seen him a lot. Sonics fans, especially LFoJL are going to LOVE Russ. He goes 100% all the time on the court, except unlike WFB, he actually has talent. He’s very athletic, and is an absolutely explosive leaper. He’s also a genuinely terrific defender, both on and off the ball. I’ve seen a lot of Russ and seen him develop (for obvious reasons), and I can tell you that the sky is the limit with this kid, and that he’ll play with a giant smile on his face the whole time.
The thing with Russ is that his offense isn’t that strong right now, and I’m not convinced it will ever be that strong. After numerous discussions with people who watch every game (we’re even the ones who convinced the store to stock his jersey – his mom came up to us after a game to say thanks for getting the store to buy em), Russ is never going to be an NBA PG, or at the very least, it’s unlikely. You can run him out there at the one for 15-20 minutes a game, but he’s not Jason Kidd, or even Dwyane Wade. He is really only capable of running the team off of set plays which don’t require him to create for someone else, merely to initiate the offense. He’s not a good passer off the drive, and really once he gets going, he’s going to the rim.
He may learn to shoot. He’s got nice looking mechanics, or at the least workable. His midrange is already passable, and I think he’ll eventually be able to convert the NBA 3 at a decent clip.

Serge Ibaka – I hate this pick. I HATE THIS PICK.
This guy certainly has NBA size and athleticism, and originally, I liked the idea of stashing a player with this pick. But when two projected late lotto picks fall down to you at 24, you MUST pull the trigger. At that point, you’ve just got to take the best value on the board, and that was Darrell Arthur. Donte Greene would have been fine too. With regards to Brayden’s concern about the guy not playing hard in college, that’s not really a definite sign he won’t try in the pros. Yeah, there’s always an Isaiah Rider, but then there’s a guy like Rudy Gay who coasted in college and got so fed up with people criticizing his on-court demeanor that he decided he was just going to dominate to his talent level in the NBA. It’s not a badge of honor certainly, but it wouldn’t stop me from taking a guy who had slipped that far in the draft.
I’m a pretty huge proponent of “best player available” because I like to see teams stockpile assets. When you get right down to it, if you have assets, sometimes they turn into real players (Sasha Vujacic) and sometimes you can turn them into something you really want (Jarrett Jack).

DJ White – I like this guy as a player. He’s ready to contribute right now and give the Sonics some toughness in the paint. He’s not overly athletic, but if you limit him to 20 minutes as an energy guy, he could really be an impact player for the team. I dislike the idea of taking White after passing on Arthur because White’s upside seems to be an energy PF/low impact starter while Arthur has a chance to be a very good starting four in this league, and it’s not like the Sonics just need an energy guy for the bench. Also, I LOVE Mario Chalmers’ game and think he would have been a good fit at 32.

DeVon Hardin – Guy’s an athletic freak, but has no clue how to play basketball. He’s basically DeAndre Jordan, but four years and a knee surgery older, so I’m not holding out a lot of hope. His upside is probably Kendrick Perkins, and that’s if he even makes the roster so… maybe Brayden will get to face him in a couple years =)

Thoughts on the rest of the draft
- OJ Mayo is a good player. He’s really, really good. I think he has an extreme amount of value if he can stick at the point, and I think he can handle the position in the NBA.
- There are a couple teams out there who do stupid things year after year after year. The Clippers took Eric Gordon with Jerryd Bayless still on the board. Gordon is 6-3, thick, plays no defense, and isn’t nearly the shooter his rep says he is. Bayless has way more upside and is a better player right now. Inexplicable.
- Portland gets it. They just get it. They stockpile assets, and basically use the 13th pick, cash and a spare PG to acquire two lottery talents. And it’s not even like they were lucky – they just managed their hand well and ran circles around the league AGAIN.
- Memphis is a mess. I’m not even blaming Chris Wallace (even though he’s a horrific GM) because it’s pretty obvious that ownership is forcing him to give away good players for salary reasons. Hey Whiny Fucker Bennett (hey look, WFB) there’s an NBA team that the fans actually don’t care about that’s just giving away players – maybe you should try moving them… dear goodness.
- Sacramento made some really weird picks, but they took guys with real talent, so you never know. I’d bet on them going 0 for 3 on them though (Thompson, Singletary, Ewing).
- Couple guys slipped into the second round who I think are real good players – Chris Douglas-Roberts, Mario Chalmers. And keep an eye on Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (who happens to be my favorite player…) – he’s a legit NBA All-Defense team guy right now.

We’ll see if I think of anything else later. I still hate the Serge Ibaka pick.

by seattlebruin on Jun 27, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, my other thought

Dick Vitale may be the worst analyst of all time – first he said that Jerryd Bayless, who played one season of college basketball in the Pac-Ten and was second team All-Conference was more proven than Russell Westbrook, who played two seasons in the Pac-Ten and was first team All-Conference last season. Then he decided that Gallinari was a bad player because he was Italian and he had never seen him play (... it was the worst thing ever). He did this while not breathing for two straight minutes and yelling at a camera.

It shattered the unintentional comedy scale… but I want those two minutes of my life back.

by seattlebruin on Jun 27, 2008 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kinda sad I don't like basketball as much as I like Baseball

Kevin Pritchard is amazing at his job. I don’t know how he does it, but he seems to pull off the craziest stuff on draft day. He just collect piles and piles of talent, and he does it well and without giving up anything too good.

Now, comparing this to the Mariners, it’s almost depressing the amount of incompetence in the organization. It almost makes me sad that we’re like last year’s Knicks of Baseball this year.

by joof on Jun 27, 2008 4:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

IN KP WE TRUST!

It’s the closet thing I can think of if you were trying to imagine what Beane could do if he had the Mariner’s budget.

Pritchard is living proof of how a GM can transform a team, a franchise, and a city. If only Patterson and Nash had listened to him when he said draft Chris Paul.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jun 27, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

DaVon Jefferson undrafted? What a dumbass, should’ve stayed in school.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Jun 27, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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