Summer Solstice Defense Update
The Mariners are near the halfway point in the season (this somehow strikes me as both too high and too low. Baseball's almost half over already? Noooo. This shitty season's not even half over already? Noooo.) and it's been awhile since we've looked at how the defense is performing so let us take a quick dive into it.
First off, the Plus/Minus rating has us at 44 plays below average, putting us on a 94 play projection. That means we're 35 runs below average so far and on pace to surrender another 40 against average the rest of the way.
Our .677 DER is now 29th in baseball (AL avg .698) as the Pirates have managed to out not-field us to the tune of a tenth of a percentage point. However, the Pirate pitchers are responsible for some of that number while the Mariner pitchers have actually offered up more fieldable balls in play and thus our -44 rating is a solid dead last, 8 worse than the Pirates.
Going by RZR, the infield doesn't appear to be the brunt of the problem. They do have a lower than average RZR (.767 to .782) which through nearly half a season represents about 10-12 fewer plays on balls in zone, but they compensate by recording nine more plays out of zone than average so on the whole, it roughly balances out, though they are still a touch below average.
Looking at positional rankings: Sexson is predictably bad, Lopez is suitable and Beltre has something weird going on where he's nearly dead last on plays in zone but first in plays out of zone suggesting to me that either the zones are off or Beltre positions himself oddly compared to other third basemen.
The real culprit is Yuni who is now not even a shell of his former self but rather just an illusion like an after image burned into your cornea after looking at the sun. He has the 4th worst RZR and the worst OOZ among qualified SS. Flat out, he's been terrible in the field. We know Sexson is going to be gone by 2009. If the Mariners can still get inflated value for Yuni, they should probably take it.
However the outfield is a whopping two percentage points below average (.876 to .896), which translates to again about 10 plays (fewer balls in zone to OF than IF), but they are also 11 plays under the average out of zone number putting them around 20 plays (or more) below average overall. And these are OF plays so their run value is higher than the 0.8 you'd use for overall analysis, in fact it's a lot closer to 1.
Getting Reed and Ichiro in the same outfield full time would be a positive step forward for next year and preferably in LF and CF. I have no idea why Ichiro is back in RF. He was an asset in center field, I don't care what UZR says, and he's less of one in RF simply because there are less balls that are hit his way much less factoring in the relative positional scarcity and where his bat plays best.
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No one could have predicted this.
I mean, come on, errors!
If I could make sweepng changes
Clement C
LeHair 1B
Lopez 2B
Yuni SS
Beltre 3B
Reed LF
Ichiro CF
Wlad RF
Ibanez DH
It just may be enough to keep our defense out of the cellar.
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LOLHair
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by PhilKenSebben on Jun 24, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I am disappointed in Yuni
Maybe one day Felix can inspire him to lose all the weight he’s added on. I am hoping he doesn’t become a Derek Jeter at defense.
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Yuni for Luke Scott?
It’s something I’ve been kicking around for a bit. The Orioles need a shortstop, we need an outfielder who doesn’t suck. Scott’s had his numbers inflated by his home parks, but he’d still be pretty solid in Safeco.
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Richie,
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I'd rather see Yuni get on a treadmill before I deal him for Scott.
he just another Ibanez.
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by JI on Jun 24, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You have low standards
you can string together a platoon of Scott’s production for virtually nothing.
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by JI on Jun 24, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
A 128 OPS+?
Who did you have in mind?
And is his D really as bad as Raul’s?
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Richie,
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by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 24, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy to say in theory,
much harder to do in reality. His career OPS is 875. Park? His career OPS+ is 126. Guys who can put up an OPS+ above 120 do not fall out of trees. Even if you can find someone, like Scott himself, or Jack Cust, for virtually nothing, for many 100-110 OPS+ types do you have to cycle through before you find such a player?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I've gotta' think he's worth more than Luke Scott.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 24, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember when Yuni was going to be our gold glove SS
And the positively electric plays he made? Yah, good times.
It is funny, I remember Dave Cameron and others looking at Yuni’s defensive numbers back then and everyone thought the numbers were wrong or showed how error prone defensive stats are compared to offensive stats. I mean we all saw with our own eyes how good Yuni was at defense, right? The numbers kept insisting he was average at best and below average at worst.
Guess this is another abject lesson that the eyes deceive.
Actually he's gotten noticable slower and fatter.
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by JI on Jun 24, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
*noticeably
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by JI on Jun 24, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The numbers were wrong
now they are not wrong
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 24, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
For his birthday we should send Yuni a platter of vegetables and salad recipes
by seattlebruin on Jun 24, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it'd be funny to see Yuni's weight drop
once Vidro is DFA’d.
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I still think we should send him vegetables
by seattlebruin on Jun 24, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he is just savoring all the junk food that is banned in Cuba
I am sure he will be over it eventually hopefully. Anyway, we should send Yuni this:
While sending Richie and Vidro (and Cairo) this:
Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!
Speaking of those...
I really need to do another run. Ran out of my supply two days ago.
Pretty much.
But they’re worth the heart attack 20 years hence.
So shortstop has become a problem for us, and I think that any stat-minded GM worth his salt should see that. If we so choose, there’s a pretty decent crop of available SS’s this winter with Rafael Furcal, Edgar Renteria, Orlando Cabrera and even Adam Everett (the ULTIMATE defensive player) going on the market. I’d be happy with any of these guys over Yuni by a long shot at this point.
Yuni's still a pretty decent hitter for a SS
and he’s cheap. He’s still got lots of value even if you accept that his defense will be awful from here on out.
by seattlebruin on Jun 24, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I like hjow at this point we just accuse random posters of being JI left and right
by seattlebruin on Jun 24, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I was asking for the subject line image
P.S. hjow
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 24, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
A spectaular one.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think earlier this year I said that there was no way Yuni was the worst shortstop in the AL
Boy do I look stupid now.
I think I'm missing something
the team’s 44 plays below average, but the outfield is only costing them 20some of those plays, yet its the outfield D that the glaring problem. Beltre evens out, Lopey is average, so its the pitchers and Yuni/Sexson?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 24, 2008 9:49 PM PDT reply actions
the team defense is 44 palys below average
the team overall is 37. and yeah Yuni might be the worst regular SS in the AL, glove-wise. And we all know Sexson.

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