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What's the whole story with Bedard?

Baker had the Bavasi quotes trashing Bedard on his blog today... I defended Bedard saying Bavasi was the one who gave up the future for him, and Bedard has been a fine pitcher for his career.  His "dumbass" attitude worked fine in Baltimore, and has his performance has nothing to do with his attitude towards the media, teamates but more so with his injuries and most likely his change in mechanics.  Bavasi has no right to go and trash Bedard when he was the one who brough him in for an arm and a leg.  He knew the risk he was taking, ignored the masses, and traded five super valuable pieces for a pitcher that didn't work out.  One thing Bavasi needs to do is take a little responsibility.  I appreciate him being candid, but the man is never responsible for anything in his own mind and he seems like a coward to me.

That being said, I was bombarded with people saying that Bedard will throw 100 pitches and just remove himself from the game.  While I haven't had as much a chance to watch games lately, I wasn't sure if this was true.  I didn't see anything of the like mentioned on here.  Can some one help me out with a reference point here, and an honest look at the situation?  Thanks guys.

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by Phildopip on Jun 17, 2008 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoops. Times blog.

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by Phildopip on Jun 17, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is more

Bedard is def. being singled out as a particular breed of Clubhouse Cancer by Bavasi… but it’s probably true… Bedard is kind of adversarial with the press. I don’t think this is because of Bedard’s dislike of the media, but probably his general jack-hole-ness towards lots of folks. He was probably rude on multiple occasions to Bavasi.

I suspect he’s a smart enough guy, but probably not Mr. Pleasant, which of course goes against M’s philosophy.

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by manzell on Jun 17, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bedard's a shy, withdrawn guy.

I don’t think he has a responsibility to deal with the press at all unless its in his contract.

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by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but your position is without reasoned foundation.

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by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally false.

Every professional athlete has a responsibility to the press. It isn’t like this blindsided him. Every player grows up knowing that if they make it to the show they will have to face the media. It was Bedard’s choice to be a cocksucker about it.

by thewyrm on Jun 17, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bedard WAS singled out by Bavasi

What Bavasi thinks doesn’t matter anymore.

by TheEmrys on Jun 17, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi is projecting

He was the one who made such a foolish, risky move to get him. Any struggles Bedard has makes Bavasi look even worse for making the deal. Human nature often leads one to project criticisms warranted to one’s self towards a relevant target.

by Gomez on Jun 17, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck Bavasi

This is like going to a used car lot with your brand new import and trading it in for a used one that peforms perfectly and then you try and drive it off-road in poor conditions and bitch about the color.

I am sure there is a better analogy to be made.

SInce when is Bavasi the pitching coach? Why does his insight even matter?

Why does Washburn suck at 90-95 pitches? Is no one gonna ask that?

by hcoguy on Jun 17, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

re washburn

beat me to it

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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was quite the rambling analogy there.

Coach/Butthol '09: We shall overcome.

by qrsouther on Jun 17, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're really overstating things.

Bavasi does not trash Bedard in the least, in fact he defends him. Finally, he grows exasperated for having to make excuses for what is ultimately a pretty dumb question and says to go ask Erik. He then says that the response will likely be ‘dumbass’ meaning curt and evasive, which is absolutely true. Not trashing him at all.

The thing about 100 pitches… eh, Washburn pitches like a career minor leaguer after 90, and no one gives him shit about it. Bedard is fragile, knows his limits, and is mature enough to tell his coaches when he’s gassed. I wish more of our pitchers did that, frankly.

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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, watch the video

he wasn’t being mean.

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did watch it.

Its not about being mean, its about not taking any responsibility for his own trade.

by hcoguy on Jun 17, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the end, does it matter?

Bedard’s the guy who would probably flip you off out the window of his truck for taking a corner too slow, Princess Willie Weakly grounds out, McClaren sits in the dugout squinting at the field an hour after the last pitch trying to figure out what’s going on, Raul misplays another liner in the corner… the Failboat Sails on.

by lyleleander on Jun 17, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bedard's the guy

who snaps his order to the waiter in one grunted utterance, takes his food and eats it without so much as a glance at the waiter, then pays without leaving a tip.

by Gomez on Jun 17, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey just because he's "unfriendly" and "quiet"

doesnt’ mean he isnt’ polite to waiters and waitresses, and it doesn’t mean he’s cheap. If I were a pro athlete, I’d probably act like Bedard as well, but I’m a big tipper, so I resent that.

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by LantermanC on Jun 17, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope.. apparently I didn't get it..

sarcasm is too hard to detect on the internet

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by LantermanC on Jun 17, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or he's the guy

who doesn’t like to repeat the same boilerplate to the media after each game, and lives his unprofessional life like a regular guy. For my part, I don’t give a shit what he has to say before or after a game unless he’s announcing a injury or new pitch or whatever.

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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what the media does.

I wouldn’t know how to make it interesting when the questions amount to “take us back to that crucial home run/strikeout” every game.

Hell, you could probably start drinking games around certain players’ stock responses to stock questions.

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by JY on Jun 17, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a very good point.

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by qrsouther on Jun 17, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tip when the service is good

but otherwise you’ve described me in retaurants.

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by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you should do

Not tip when the service is lousy, tip when it is decent or better.

by vkut79 on Jun 17, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then you're stiffing the kitchen, busboys, etc.

Who had nothing to do with whatever inattentive, diva-ish bullshit the waiter/waitress was putting out.

by lyleleander on Jun 17, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if you want to be a total jackass.

15% is the MINIMUM for adequate service. 10% is the MINIMUM for BAD service. Tip withholding should only be done in the case of insanely awful service. 20% is the MINIMUM for good service.

Restaurant workers depend on their tips to make something approaching a living wage. If you’re not prepared to pay a gratuity, cook your own damned meals.

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by acblue on Jun 17, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I work as a delivery driver.

Roughly half of my income is tips.

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by JY on Jun 17, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

now that I think about it, it’s closer to two-thirds.

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by JY on Jun 17, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the driving must take a toll on your car as well as the hiking gas prices

That’s why I got out of delivering pizzas after three weeks of doing it.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah.

I’ve noticed as time has passed that the number of drivers we had who drove big cars or pickups has plummeted and now all that remains are a bunch of Civics, Focuses, Accords, a couple of Nissans, a Camry, and one old guy in a Buick (because that’s what old people drive)

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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd have to mad to still want to deliver pizzas in a big car

Despite making somewhat decent tips in delivering, I felt like I was always filling my gas tank. I am just glad I don’t have to drive to work anymore, let alone driving around. Even though I did enjoy just driving around listening to the radio from place to place.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long pointless drives are the American way.

Thoughtlessly wasteful and vagrant, but in the name of discovery.

I once drove through seven western states in seven days, and would’ve made nine or more if I hadn’t decided to spend one day hanging out in Glacier, or if my right front wheel hadn’t nearly fallen off in Grand Junction (one screw holding the brace on, completely stripped, and I was going around 80-90 for however long like that). That was back when gas was at least a dollar cheaper.

Oh well, at least there’sthis now that might help towards solving that nasty little fuel crisis of ours. I know I shouldn’t complain when we pay only a fraction of what most of the world does, but long-range, fast, mobility is pretty awesome.

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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could road trip cross country

but sadly, a plane ticket to each place looks more and more affordable as the gas prices go up.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just drove

from Portland to Baltimore. It cost me about 450 bones.

by coolguyrob on Jun 18, 2008 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

I drive an escort. But I am a college student and I don’t own a plasma.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Driving an Escort is fine.

If you can afford a giant TV, though, you should upgrade your ride.

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather spend the money on a TV, to be honest.

If your car gets you to work, it’s perfect. I’m still rolling in the 1991 Maxima my parents bought when I was a kid.

by Teej on Jun 18, 2008 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Maxima>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Escort.

Sleeper family sedan? Yes please.

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily an Escort

but any car that’s old, small and has a lot of crap in it, which pretty much describes most Escorts out there nowadays.

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by Mariner John on Jun 18, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention that a lot of restaurant workers are paid absolute shit because of the tips.

Employers can assume tips and legally pay workers below the minimum wage (or, for higher-ranking workers, below whatever scale another business would pay someone with the same experience). It’s a bullshit system, but it’s the way it works.

I would reserve my tips for truly good service if I knew that the workers were making a living wage without them. It’s either go with the system or stiff the people who need the money the most. I go with the former, as much as I hate the principle.

by Teej on Jun 17, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's not actually legal anymore.

I may have to get back to you on that one.

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by JY on Jun 17, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as I know the servers make min wage at where I work

I am a cook so I get paid above the servers from the restaurant, but I only get a small portion of tips, basically almost enough to cover the payroll taxes.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Washington, waitstaff must be paid minimum wage.

Minimum wage doesn’t even come close to a living wage, though, especially considering the amount of work involved,

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O yea I agree with that

Even the wage I am being paid I feel is no where close to how much work I put in. I am literally on my feet 6-8 hours non stop, with maybe a 5-10 minute break if I get a chance, and hustling just about the whole time. Even though I agree its not intellectually challenging, and you don’t need qualifications for the job, making the potential labor pool much higher, which is why its low paying, but its more physically demanding and mentally draining than any desk job, for a much lower pay.

Even though its unfair, my dad has always told me when I was in middle-high school, and even now that I work and go to school simultaneously, that I have a hard bed now, but I am making a soft bed for later. Basically what that means is if you work hard sooner, you won’t have to work as hard later.

I don’t view it as fair, but that is how our society is set up and how it values certain jobs more than others, so I just go along with it.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in the sam boat, and I totally agree.

However, there are a lot of people who, for whatever reason, are never going to do better. And while I don’t want to go into zomg no politics territory, I think we’d be much better off as a society if everyone was treated with respect, decency and fairness, no matter what position they hold in the economic food chain.

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But as much as communism looks good on paper

It has proven not to work. If you read the commie ball article from a week ago or so, it describes how terrible Cubans have it.(I think I crossed the zomg no politics line, I am sorry if I did) I feel more than anything that our current society set up, while messed up and isn’t fair, always has opportunities if you are motivated enough.

You could always go back to school and get a GED and eventually a degree. Can’t afford it? There is the FAFSA and other scholarship/grants out there that could help financial aid to lower income people. I just don’t think people are fully aware or motivated to pursue school.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about communism.

I’m just saying that some people will never make it out of dead end jobs. I disagree that there is equality of opportunity in this country, but this isn’t the place to debate the specifics; I’m just saying people should be treated fairly regardless of their station in life.

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying

and I agree some people do have dead end situations, and this isn’t the place to talk about this, lol. But in the restaurant industry ironically, I think there is more leeway to work your way up than other jobs, which has been all but diminished in our society, where a dishwasher could work up to a cook to possibly manager. But I agree, the restaurant wages are way low for the amount of labor put in.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was anticipating a ZOMG No Politics post from butthol.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whateverz I'm always cool and shit.

Fuck differeneces, you know, cuz we;re all fans her right?

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by acblue on Jun 19, 2008 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually hate politics

So I like to think LL caters to my needs

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 18, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I remember

They aren’t allowed to count tips towards your minimum wage and then pay the remainder. Of course, that doesn’t make them any more likely to increase your wages.

All drivers in my company make minimum, and our reimbursement per run has only gone up ten cents in the nearly two years I’ve been driving for them.

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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While gas has gone up ~80%...

Not to mention the cost of maintenance…

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raised prices twice to stay competitive

And the wages? they’ll get back to you on that.

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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, fuck economics.

Zomg no political economy.

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that. Alot of our dealers don't make shit as far as hourly wages.

I’m pretty sure they make below minimum. Then again, I’ve seen them pull in anywhere from $100-$2000 in tips a night so you don’t really hear them bitch about it…..

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."

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by Goose on Jun 18, 2008 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, maybe the fact that they work on tribal land has something to do with it, I don't know.

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."

~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box

by Goose on Jun 18, 2008 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are specific to WA state laws.

Tribes probably have their own way of doing things.

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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dealers as in card dealers?

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I imagine drug dealers get paid better than minimum wage.

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."

~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box

by Goose on Jun 18, 2008 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only in the upper echelons

There’s a Freakonomics chapter about that. The drug dealing CEOs get megabucks, the guys on the street get shit. Just like the legal economy.

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by iglew on Jun 18, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to the game today

and the ticket scalpers trying to sell tickets only made 10% commission. Now that’s harsh.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only exception is Cedar's on Brooklyn.

The management keeps the tips. No one should ever go there. If you do for some reason, don’t tip. Fuck that place.

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That can't be legal.

What a bunch of jerkoffs. I’m seriously angry right now.

by Teej on Jun 18, 2008 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is.

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see why anyone would work there.

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by Fin on Jun 18, 2008 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People work there because they don't pay minimum wage

they pay their waitstaff around $12 per hour instead.

BTW, it’s the same deal with Taste of India which is located a half mile away and owned by the same family.

It is, in my expert opinion, the best Indian food I’ve had in Seattle. I hear Redmond has some great shit… but I don’t own a car… not even an Escort… so I can’t go there often.

by johnbai on Jun 18, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still total BS.

They treat their employees like crap

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by acblue on Jun 18, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh I forgot,

he didn’t trade five ‘super valuable pieces for a pitcher who didn’t work out’. Come on now. Jones is super valuable, Sherrill is very valuable, Butler and Tillman are simply valuable, and Mickolio is pretty replaceable. And Bedard is working out just fine, He’s still a tremendous pitcher, playing in front of an abysmal defense and regressing a bit from an unsustainable performance last year. He is only a hair worse than I expected.

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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I agree defense is the problem

Put him on Toronto and his 100 pitches goes 7-8 innings more often than not since he would not be facing so many extra batters.

by hcoguy on Jun 17, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why Toronto leads MLB in complete games.

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by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Halladay

Is why Toronto leads the majors in complete games. The defense is tied up in that, but they only have 2 CG from other pitchers, 5 from Halladay. He had 9 in 2003, so this isn’t an unheard of pace for him either.

holt shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Jun 17, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Halladay isn't a strikeout pitcher...

He very, very, VERY much relies on a defense for his numbers. It helps that he’s a pretty extreme groundballer, so whatever damage is done is minimalized. But his ~7 K/9 is pretty inflated—he’s normally a 6-6.25 K/9 guy.

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by PositivePaul on Jun 17, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always said that if they could stay healthy

the best pictures in the AL are Halladay and Harden, (along with Felix and Santana (I said this 2 years ago)).

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by LantermanC on Jun 17, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought they had two from other guys before they played us.

I should look that up.

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by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

jones WAS super valuable.

he ain’t never hit a lick at the ML level, and my money says he’ll be lucky to have Phil Bradley on his comparable hitters list.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Jun 17, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what about this post bothers me more...

The fact that he’s already determined Adam Jones’ career path based on three months worth of play, or the grammar/punctuation/English issues?

I’m somewhat inclined to say the latter, to be honest.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't go looking at the "Guys I wouldn't trade" post, then.

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by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's ridiculous.

So because he hasn’t come out of AAA immediately mashing the ball he’s a dud? A lot of the best players in baseball had poor rookie years, even a few poor years in a row, before they finally got their shit together. There is every indication he has the skillset to be a success in the big leagues and quite possibly to be a star too.

by OlSalty on Jun 17, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you

Coach/Butthol '09: We shall overcome.

by qrsouther on Jun 17, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*on

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by qrsouther on Jun 17, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

better without the on

what are you?

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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no trouble believing that Bedard is kind of a douche.

When the media guys were giving him shit for his attitude towards them, I didn’t really have a problem with it. He’s kind of a jerk to them, and it can make their jobs tougher. With that being said, I had no problem with the way he acted towards the media, either; some of the funniest people I know are jerks sometimes, and it’s not as though he refused to answer questions, he just did it in a way that pissed the media guys off and I thought was pretty hilarious.

This “lazy 100 pitch pitcher” crap is ridiculous, though. He’s being criticized for Bavasi’s decision to trade for him, even though he’s been about what most (observant) people thought he would be. Most of the media guys loved the trade, and because the season has gone in the crapper, he’s become a lightning rod. (And I know Brewer was against the trade, but Bedard still represents, to most people, the failure of this season.)

I like Brewer for the most part, and I liked this article for the most part, but after reading it a second time, some of his assertions are way off base and pretty unfair.

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by acblue on Jun 17, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Knowing your defense is spotty = higher pitch count?

Bedard had 8 K’s in 6 IP in his last start… is it possible he’s going for K’s because he’s not too confident in the defense behind him? Y’know, trying to take matters into his own hands and get outs that might otherwise roll on by Jose Lopez, or drop just in front of Raul?

Have no idea… just wondering.

by wlad-o-matic on Jun 17, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He always goes for K's

He’s just been less successful at missing bats lately because of control problems.

by OlSalty on Jun 17, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After reading this

I think he is just a quiet guy that doesn’t like to be bothered.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3426985

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by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 17, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Approves of Bavasi's rant.

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."

~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box

by Goose on Jun 17, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

why isn't Red in more movies/shows?

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Jun 17, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHA

Land of the Lost. Man, I’m so glad this is out on DVD now. Chaka rocks!

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jun 18, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF

I swear signed up on LL as “shortbus,” just like my USSM user ID. This is ironic on so many levels.

by short on Jun 17, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The whole

“Bedard will throw 100 pitches and just remove himself from the game” thing is from the midday host on KJR (I don’t know his name; don’t listen much). That’s all he was talking about yesterday. Apparently Felix and Silva give you everything they’ve got and Bedard throws his 99 pitches and takes himself out of the game. He likened Bedard to ‘that guy who puts in 8 hours and won’t work a second of overtime’.

by naviomelo on Jun 17, 2008 5:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I listened to "Mitch" for about 10 minutes today, and heard some of that as well

He also made a point that sometimes a manager (Mac) has to tell a pitcher (Bedard) that he’s going another inning whether he likes it or not, especially if he’s about to face some LHB.

I would agree with this. It would seem that maybe Bedard needs to be told not to be such a pussy in certain situations. Of course if he’s playing hurt, then it’s an entirely different situation, but if he’s healthy he needs to gut it out once in awhile.

by marinator on Jun 17, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why what?

Why would I listen to KJR in the mornings? My commute to work is 20 minutes, and they give updates every 15 or so, so I get to catch up on whatever I missed in the sports world the day before. Unfortunately I am also forced to listen to Mitch, who isn’t the greatest sports talk host, but it’s not like I have much to choose from around here.

by marinator on Jun 17, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if we were playing for something

I don’t see the point in Bedard risking anything by going deeper into games this year.

by johnbai on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me neither

we knew he was fragile when we traded for him.

by Jeff on Jun 17, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you have to consider risk vs reward

Is the risk of injury/wear from extending Bedard by squeezing out more pitches beyond his 100 pitch comfort zone worth the reward of an extra out or inning?

by Gomez on Jun 17, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From an O's fan

Guys, you’re getting what we’ve had for 3 years. A few things your FO should have known:

1) Bedard doesn’t do media. He’s never been a clubhouse problem, but you will never get more than 1 sentence out of him. English isn’t his first language, and he just doesn’t feel comfortable with the media.

2) Most AL starters top out around 100 pitches. From a post at CamdenChat:


In his 12 starts this year, he has pitched over 100 on 6 of them, although it’s usually between 100-110. In fact, 110 is the most pitches he’s thrown all year. Last year he made 28 starts, and he pitched over 100 pitches in 21 of them (75%). He did go deeper last year, though, throwing greater than 110 pitches 10 times, the most being 120.

For comparison’s sake, since Erik was obtained by Seattle to be their "ace," here are some stats on other teams aces (2007 season).

Boston: In 30 starts, Josh Beckett pitched greater than 100 pitches in 20 of them (67%) . He pitched greater than 110 pitches in 10 starts, and the most in one game was 118 (once).

Cleveland: In 34 starts, C.C. Sabathia pitched greater than 100 pitches in 27 of them (79%). He pitched greater than 110 pitches in 8 times, most in one game 119 (twice)

Tampa Bay: In 34 starts, Scott Kazmir pitched greater than 100 pitches in 26 of them (76%). He pitched greater than 110 pitches 11 times, most in one game 118.

3). He’s almost a guarantee to not make it through a whole season uninjured. He’s had TJ surgery, he had injury issues last year, and has only started more than 30 starts 1 time. That’s it – one time.

Sure, he’s underperformed this season. But he was never going to be an innings-eating monster with 38 starts. It’s just not Erik. Never has been, probably never will be. Usually, though, for the last year and a half he was with the O’s, those starts you did get gave you an almost 50% chance he would be the winning pitcher.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jun 18, 2008 7:32 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Heh.

Numbers analysis isn’t exactly our organization’s, or the media around the orgs strong suit.

Comparing one pitcher to other pitchers of similar caliber? Hogwash. We in the media want people to talk to us and give good soundbites for our stories, and if they don’t, we’ll say they’re bad even if we don’t know any better.

by Faux on Jun 18, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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