What's the whole story with Bedard?
Baker had the Bavasi quotes trashing Bedard on his blog today... I defended Bedard saying Bavasi was the one who gave up the future for him, and Bedard has been a fine pitcher for his career. His "dumbass" attitude worked fine in Baltimore, and has his performance has nothing to do with his attitude towards the media, teamates but more so with his injuries and most likely his change in mechanics. Bavasi has no right to go and trash Bedard when he was the one who brough him in for an arm and a leg. He knew the risk he was taking, ignored the masses, and traded five super valuable pieces for a pitcher that didn't work out. One thing Bavasi needs to do is take a little responsibility. I appreciate him being candid, but the man is never responsible for anything in his own mind and he seems like a coward to me.
That being said, I was bombarded with people saying that Bedard will throw 100 pitches and just remove himself from the game. While I haven't had as much a chance to watch games lately, I wasn't sure if this was true. I didn't see anything of the like mentioned on here. Can some one help me out with a reference point here, and an honest look at the situation? Thanks guys.
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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jun 17, 2008 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jun 17, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
There is more
Bedard is def. being singled out as a particular breed of Clubhouse Cancer by Bavasi… but it’s probably true… Bedard is kind of adversarial with the press. I don’t think this is because of Bedard’s dislike of the media, but probably his general jack-hole-ness towards lots of folks. He was probably rude on multiple occasions to Bavasi.
I suspect he’s a smart enough guy, but probably not Mr. Pleasant, which of course goes against M’s philosophy.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
Bedard's a shy, withdrawn guy.
I don’t think he has a responsibility to deal with the press at all unless its in his contract.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Yes, but your position is without reasoned foundation.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Except Brayden is also a professional athlete
by seattlebruin on Jun 17, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally false.
Every professional athlete has a responsibility to the press. It isn’t like this blindsided him. Every player grows up knowing that if they make it to the show they will have to face the media. It was Bedard’s choice to be a cocksucker about it.
Bedard WAS singled out by Bavasi
What Bavasi thinks doesn’t matter anymore.
Bavasi is projecting
He was the one who made such a foolish, risky move to get him. Any struggles Bedard has makes Bavasi look even worse for making the deal. Human nature often leads one to project criticisms warranted to one’s self towards a relevant target.
Fuck Bavasi
This is like going to a used car lot with your brand new import and trading it in for a used one that peforms perfectly and then you try and drive it off-road in poor conditions and bitch about the color.
I am sure there is a better analogy to be made.
SInce when is Bavasi the pitching coach? Why does his insight even matter?
Why does Washburn suck at 90-95 pitches? Is no one gonna ask that?
re washburn
beat me to it
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You're really overstating things.
Bavasi does not trash Bedard in the least, in fact he defends him. Finally, he grows exasperated for having to make excuses for what is ultimately a pretty dumb question and says to go ask Erik. He then says that the response will likely be ‘dumbass’ meaning curt and evasive, which is absolutely true. Not trashing him at all.
The thing about 100 pitches… eh, Washburn pitches like a career minor leaguer after 90, and no one gives him shit about it. Bedard is fragile, knows his limits, and is mature enough to tell his coaches when he’s gassed. I wish more of our pitchers did that, frankly.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
I did watch it.
Its not about being mean, its about not taking any responsibility for his own trade.
No, it's about never giving up
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 17, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
It's aboot respect.
I like midgets more than I should.
He's not your fwend, buddy!
I like midgets more than I should.
I thought I knew where this was going
and then everything just unraveled.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 17, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Homer quote from Lisa's Rival.
The scene in the front yard with the pile of sugar is my favorite Simpson’s scene.
In the end, does it matter?
Bedard’s the guy who would probably flip you off out the window of his truck for taking a corner too slow, Princess Willie Weakly grounds out, McClaren sits in the dugout squinting at the field an hour after the last pitch trying to figure out what’s going on, Raul misplays another liner in the corner… the Failboat Sails on.
by lyleleander on Jun 17, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Bedard's the guy
who snaps his order to the waiter in one grunted utterance, takes his food and eats it without so much as a glance at the waiter, then pays without leaving a tip.
Hey just because he's "unfriendly" and "quiet"
doesnt’ mean he isnt’ polite to waiters and waitresses, and it doesn’t mean he’s cheap. If I were a pro athlete, I’d probably act like Bedard as well, but I’m a big tipper, so I resent that.
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nope.. apparently I didn't get it..
sarcasm is too hard to detect on the internet
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com
Or he's the guy
who doesn’t like to repeat the same boilerplate to the media after each game, and lives his unprofessional life like a regular guy. For my part, I don’t give a shit what he has to say before or after a game unless he’s announcing a injury or new pitch or whatever.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what the media does.
I wouldn’t know how to make it interesting when the questions amount to “take us back to that crucial home run/strikeout” every game.
Hell, you could probably start drinking games around certain players’ stock responses to stock questions.
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I tip when the service is good
but otherwise you’ve described me in retaurants.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Wow, you should reallly re-evaluate that.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 17, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
What you should do
Not tip when the service is lousy, tip when it is decent or better.
But then you're stiffing the kitchen, busboys, etc.
Who had nothing to do with whatever inattentive, diva-ish bullshit the waiter/waitress was putting out.
So, basically, tip 20% all the time unless the service is really, really, bad.
This coming from a bartender/server :)
by AtomicGarden on Jun 17, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, if you want to be a total jackass.
15% is the MINIMUM for adequate service. 10% is the MINIMUM for BAD service. Tip withholding should only be done in the case of insanely awful service. 20% is the MINIMUM for good service.
Restaurant workers depend on their tips to make something approaching a living wage. If you’re not prepared to pay a gratuity, cook your own damned meals.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 17, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I work as a delivery driver.
Roughly half of my income is tips.
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by JY on Jun 17, 2008 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually...
now that I think about it, it’s closer to two-thirds.
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by JY on Jun 17, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
But the driving must take a toll on your car as well as the hiking gas prices
That’s why I got out of delivering pizzas after three weeks of doing it.
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Oh yeah.
I’ve noticed as time has passed that the number of drivers we had who drove big cars or pickups has plummeted and now all that remains are a bunch of Civics, Focuses, Accords, a couple of Nissans, a Camry, and one old guy in a Buick (because that’s what old people drive)
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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions
You'd have to mad to still want to deliver pizzas in a big car
Despite making somewhat decent tips in delivering, I felt like I was always filling my gas tank. I am just glad I don’t have to drive to work anymore, let alone driving around. Even though I did enjoy just driving around listening to the radio from place to place.
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I miss being able to enjoy a long, pointless drive.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Long pointless drives are the American way.
Thoughtlessly wasteful and vagrant, but in the name of discovery.
I once drove through seven western states in seven days, and would’ve made nine or more if I hadn’t decided to spend one day hanging out in Glacier, or if my right front wheel hadn’t nearly fallen off in Grand Junction (one screw holding the brace on, completely stripped, and I was going around 80-90 for however long like that). That was back when gas was at least a dollar cheaper.
Oh well, at least there’sthis now that might help towards solving that nasty little fuel crisis of ours. I know I shouldn’t complain when we pay only a fraction of what most of the world does, but long-range, fast, mobility is pretty awesome.
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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I wish I could road trip cross country
but sadly, a plane ticket to each place looks more and more affordable as the gas prices go up.
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I wish I got tips for putting 42" TVs into Escorts.
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by Mariner John on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone driving an Escort buying a 42" TV has their priorities out of whack.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey!
I drive an escort. But I am a college student and I don’t own a plasma.
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Driving an Escort is fine.
If you can afford a giant TV, though, you should upgrade your ride.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather spend the money on a TV, to be honest.
If your car gets you to work, it’s perfect. I’m still rolling in the 1991 Maxima my parents bought when I was a kid.
Yeah, but Maxima>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Escort.
Sleeper family sedan? Yes please.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Not necessarily an Escort
but any car that’s old, small and has a lot of crap in it, which pretty much describes most Escorts out there nowadays.
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by Mariner John on Jun 18, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention that a lot of restaurant workers are paid absolute shit because of the tips.
Employers can assume tips and legally pay workers below the minimum wage (or, for higher-ranking workers, below whatever scale another business would pay someone with the same experience). It’s a bullshit system, but it’s the way it works.
I would reserve my tips for truly good service if I knew that the workers were making a living wage without them. It’s either go with the system or stiff the people who need the money the most. I go with the former, as much as I hate the principle.
I think that's not actually legal anymore.
I may have to get back to you on that one.
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As far as I know the servers make min wage at where I work
I am a cook so I get paid above the servers from the restaurant, but I only get a small portion of tips, basically almost enough to cover the payroll taxes.
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In Washington, waitstaff must be paid minimum wage.
Minimum wage doesn’t even come close to a living wage, though, especially considering the amount of work involved,
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
O yea I agree with that
Even the wage I am being paid I feel is no where close to how much work I put in. I am literally on my feet 6-8 hours non stop, with maybe a 5-10 minute break if I get a chance, and hustling just about the whole time. Even though I agree its not intellectually challenging, and you don’t need qualifications for the job, making the potential labor pool much higher, which is why its low paying, but its more physically demanding and mentally draining than any desk job, for a much lower pay.
Even though its unfair, my dad has always told me when I was in middle-high school, and even now that I work and go to school simultaneously, that I have a hard bed now, but I am making a soft bed for later. Basically what that means is if you work hard sooner, you won’t have to work as hard later.
I don’t view it as fair, but that is how our society is set up and how it values certain jobs more than others, so I just go along with it.
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I'm in the sam boat, and I totally agree.
However, there are a lot of people who, for whatever reason, are never going to do better. And while I don’t want to go into zomg no politics territory, I think we’d be much better off as a society if everyone was treated with respect, decency and fairness, no matter what position they hold in the economic food chain.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
But as much as communism looks good on paper
It has proven not to work. If you read the commie ball article from a week ago or so, it describes how terrible Cubans have it.(I think I crossed the zomg no politics line, I am sorry if I did) I feel more than anything that our current society set up, while messed up and isn’t fair, always has opportunities if you are motivated enough.
You could always go back to school and get a GED and eventually a degree. Can’t afford it? There is the FAFSA and other scholarship/grants out there that could help financial aid to lower income people. I just don’t think people are fully aware or motivated to pursue school.
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I'm not talking about communism.
I’m just saying that some people will never make it out of dead end jobs. I disagree that there is equality of opportunity in this country, but this isn’t the place to debate the specifics; I’m just saying people should be treated fairly regardless of their station in life.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying
and I agree some people do have dead end situations, and this isn’t the place to talk about this, lol. But in the restaurant industry ironically, I think there is more leeway to work your way up than other jobs, which has been all but diminished in our society, where a dishwasher could work up to a cook to possibly manager. But I agree, the restaurant wages are way low for the amount of labor put in.
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Oh, if only all social status discussions went like this...
LL wouldn’t have a ZOMG NO POLITICS rule…
by seattlebruin on Jun 18, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
This only went like this because the participants knew Matthew was waiting around the corner with a shotgun.
Amazing how that will make people behave real nice and polite-like.
I was anticipating a ZOMG No Politics post from butthol.
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Whateverz I'm always cool and shit.
Fuck differeneces, you know, cuz we;re all fans her right?
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 19, 2008 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually hate politics
So I like to think LL caters to my needs
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 18, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
From what I remember
They aren’t allowed to count tips towards your minimum wage and then pay the remainder. Of course, that doesn’t make them any more likely to increase your wages.
All drivers in my company make minimum, and our reimbursement per run has only gone up ten cents in the nearly two years I’ve been driving for them.
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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions
While gas has gone up ~80%...
Not to mention the cost of maintenance…
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Raised prices twice to stay competitive
And the wages? they’ll get back to you on that.
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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, fuck economics.
Zomg no political economy.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about that. Alot of our dealers don't make shit as far as hourly wages.
I’m pretty sure they make below minimum. Then again, I’ve seen them pull in anywhere from $100-$2000 in tips a night so you don’t really hear them bitch about it…..
"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."
~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box
Also, maybe the fact that they work on tribal land has something to do with it, I don't know.
"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."
~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box
Yeah, I think that might explain it.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
These are specific to WA state laws.
Tribes probably have their own way of doing things.
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by JY on Jun 18, 2008 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I imagine drug dealers get paid better than minimum wage.
"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."
~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box
Only in the upper echelons
There’s a Freakonomics chapter about that. The drug dealing CEOs get megabucks, the guys on the street get shit. Just like the legal economy.
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I went to the game today
and the ticket scalpers trying to sell tickets only made 10% commission. Now that’s harsh.
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The only exception is Cedar's on Brooklyn.
The management keeps the tips. No one should ever go there. If you do for some reason, don’t tip. Fuck that place.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad job market, dishonest hiring prcoess.
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
People work there because they don't pay minimum wage
they pay their waitstaff around $12 per hour instead.
BTW, it’s the same deal with Taste of India which is located a half mile away and owned by the same family.
It is, in my expert opinion, the best Indian food I’ve had in Seattle. I hear Redmond has some great shit… but I don’t own a car… not even an Escort… so I can’t go there often.
It's still total BS.
They treat their employees like crap
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by Aaron Campeau on Jun 18, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
oh I forgot,
he didn’t trade five ‘super valuable pieces for a pitcher who didn’t work out’. Come on now. Jones is super valuable, Sherrill is very valuable, Butler and Tillman are simply valuable, and Mickolio is pretty replaceable. And Bedard is working out just fine, He’s still a tremendous pitcher, playing in front of an abysmal defense and regressing a bit from an unsustainable performance last year. He is only a hair worse than I expected.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree defense is the problem
Put him on Toronto and his 100 pitches goes 7-8 innings more often than not since he would not be facing so many extra batters.
Roy Halladay
Is why Toronto leads the majors in complete games. The defense is tied up in that, but they only have 2 CG from other pitchers, 5 from Halladay. He had 9 in 2003, so this isn’t an unheard of pace for him either.
holt shit its christmas.
Roy Halladay isn't a strikeout pitcher...
He very, very, VERY much relies on a defense for his numbers. It helps that he’s a pretty extreme groundballer, so whatever damage is done is minimalized. But his ~7 K/9 is pretty inflated—he’s normally a 6-6.25 K/9 guy.
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by PositivePaul on Jun 17, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I always said that if they could stay healthy
the best pictures in the AL are Halladay and Harden, (along with Felix and Santana (I said this 2 years ago)).
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com
I thought they had two from other guys before they played us.
I should look that up.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
jones WAS super valuable.
he ain’t never hit a lick at the ML level, and my money says he’ll be lucky to have Phil Bradley on his comparable hitters list.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
I'm not sure what about this post bothers me more...
The fact that he’s already determined Adam Jones’ career path based on three months worth of play, or the grammar/punctuation/English issues?
I’m somewhat inclined to say the latter, to be honest.
Don't go looking at the "Guys I wouldn't trade" post, then.
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by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 17, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That's ridiculous.
So because he hasn’t come out of AAA immediately mashing the ball he’s a dud? A lot of the best players in baseball had poor rookie years, even a few poor years in a row, before they finally got their shit together. There is every indication he has the skillset to be a success in the big leagues and quite possibly to be a star too.
See Alex Rodriguez's first 200 at bats in the majors.
I fucking hate you Mariners
better without the on
what are you?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 17, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Washburn always pitche slike a career minor leaguer.
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by Mariner John on Jun 17, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no trouble believing that Bedard is kind of a douche.
When the media guys were giving him shit for his attitude towards them, I didn’t really have a problem with it. He’s kind of a jerk to them, and it can make their jobs tougher. With that being said, I had no problem with the way he acted towards the media, either; some of the funniest people I know are jerks sometimes, and it’s not as though he refused to answer questions, he just did it in a way that pissed the media guys off and I thought was pretty hilarious.
This “lazy 100 pitch pitcher” crap is ridiculous, though. He’s being criticized for Bavasi’s decision to trade for him, even though he’s been about what most (observant) people thought he would be. Most of the media guys loved the trade, and because the season has gone in the crapper, he’s become a lightning rod. (And I know Brewer was against the trade, but Bedard still represents, to most people, the failure of this season.)
I like Brewer for the most part, and I liked this article for the most part, but after reading it a second time, some of his assertions are way off base and pretty unfair.
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Knowing your defense is spotty = higher pitch count?
Bedard had 8 K’s in 6 IP in his last start… is it possible he’s going for K’s because he’s not too confident in the defense behind him? Y’know, trying to take matters into his own hands and get outs that might otherwise roll on by Jose Lopez, or drop just in front of Raul?
Have no idea… just wondering.
He always goes for K's
He’s just been less successful at missing bats lately because of control problems.
After reading this
I think he is just a quiet guy that doesn’t like to be bothered.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3426985
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Approves of Bavasi's rant.

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."
~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box
HAHAHAHA
Land of the Lost. Man, I’m so glad this is out on DVD now. Chaka rocks!
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by PositivePaul on Jun 18, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF
I swear signed up on LL as “shortbus,” just like my USSM user ID. This is ironic on so many levels.
The whole
“Bedard will throw 100 pitches and just remove himself from the game” thing is from the midday host on KJR (I don’t know his name; don’t listen much). That’s all he was talking about yesterday. Apparently Felix and Silva give you everything they’ve got and Bedard throws his 99 pitches and takes himself out of the game. He likened Bedard to ‘that guy who puts in 8 hours and won’t work a second of overtime’.
I listened to "Mitch" for about 10 minutes today, and heard some of that as well
He also made a point that sometimes a manager (Mac) has to tell a pitcher (Bedard) that he’s going another inning whether he likes it or not, especially if he’s about to face some LHB.
I would agree with this. It would seem that maybe Bedard needs to be told not to be such a pussy in certain situations. Of course if he’s playing hurt, then it’s an entirely different situation, but if he’s healthy he needs to gut it out once in awhile.
Why what?
Why would I listen to KJR in the mornings? My commute to work is 20 minutes, and they give updates every 15 or so, so I get to catch up on whatever I missed in the sports world the day before. Unfortunately I am also forced to listen to Mitch, who isn’t the greatest sports talk host, but it’s not like I have much to choose from around here.
Maybe if we were playing for something
I don’t see the point in Bedard risking anything by going deeper into games this year.
Me neither
we knew he was fragile when we traded for him.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 17, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, you have to consider risk vs reward
Is the risk of injury/wear from extending Bedard by squeezing out more pitches beyond his 100 pitch comfort zone worth the reward of an extra out or inning?
From an O's fan
Guys, you’re getting what we’ve had for 3 years. A few things your FO should have known:
1) Bedard doesn’t do media. He’s never been a clubhouse problem, but you will never get more than 1 sentence out of him. English isn’t his first language, and he just doesn’t feel comfortable with the media.
2) Most AL starters top out around 100 pitches. From a post at CamdenChat:
In his 12 starts this year, he has pitched over 100 on 6 of them, although it’s usually between 100-110. In fact, 110 is the most pitches he’s thrown all year. Last year he made 28 starts, and he pitched over 100 pitches in 21 of them (75%). He did go deeper last year, though, throwing greater than 110 pitches 10 times, the most being 120.For comparison’s sake, since Erik was obtained by Seattle to be their "ace," here are some stats on other teams aces (2007 season).
Boston: In 30 starts, Josh Beckett pitched greater than 100 pitches in 20 of them (67%) . He pitched greater than 110 pitches in 10 starts, and the most in one game was 118 (once).
Cleveland: In 34 starts, C.C. Sabathia pitched greater than 100 pitches in 27 of them (79%). He pitched greater than 110 pitches in 8 times, most in one game 119 (twice)
Tampa Bay: In 34 starts, Scott Kazmir pitched greater than 100 pitches in 26 of them (76%). He pitched greater than 110 pitches 11 times, most in one game 118.
3). He’s almost a guarantee to not make it through a whole season uninjured. He’s had TJ surgery, he had injury issues last year, and has only started more than 30 starts 1 time. That’s it – one time.
Sure, he’s underperformed this season. But he was never going to be an innings-eating monster with 38 starts. It’s just not Erik. Never has been, probably never will be. Usually, though, for the last year and a half he was with the O’s, those starts you did get gave you an almost 50% chance he would be the winning pitcher.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jun 18, 2008 7:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
Numbers analysis isn’t exactly our organization’s, or the media around the orgs strong suit.
Comparing one pitcher to other pitchers of similar caliber? Hogwash. We in the media want people to talk to us and give good soundbites for our stories, and if they don’t, we’ll say they’re bad even if we don’t know any better.

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