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(Game thread posted below.)

When my plane landed in San Diego, I turned on my phone to seven new text messages and two new voicemails. When I got home and booted up the computer, I found five new Bavasi-related emails. Needless to say, it was a bit of a deluge. I'm still waiting for a knock on the door from FedEx since that seems to be the next logical step.

Leone For Third first opened up about a week before Bavasi was hired back in the fall of 2003. For all intents and purposes, as a blogger, I have known no other GM. The four and a half years since have been fraught with disappointment and well-intentioned failure. Bavasi's always been a hell of a guy who only wanted what was best for the team and who's always been willing to talk with his harshest critics face to face, but while I commend him for that, at the end of the day, if the only people you're meeting are critics, that means a lot is going wrong, and too much has gone wrong for the organization to justify keeping him in his role.

Bill Bavasi is finished as a Major League GM. I mean, sure, I guess the slim possiblity always exists that he could luck himself into another situation, but baseball is shifting irreversibly away from the back-slapping old school approach to roster management, and as Derek(?) remarked about the soon-to-be-fired John McLaren on Saturday, no team with a vacant managerial position down the road is going to look at Bavasi and say "that's the guy we need." It just isn't going to happen. Teams are smarter than that now*. Don't get me wrong, Bavasi will always be able to land a job with some organization if he's so inclined - other failed throwback GMs like Cam Bonifay, Dan Evans, and Woody Woodward have been able to stick around for quite a while as assistants and scouts. But as the guy leading the show, Bavasi is almost certainly done. He's exhausted his opportunities.

I suppose it's appropriate that a regime that never once demonstrated a solid grasp of probability was done in by its greatest gamble. 2008 was supposed to be the year. This was Bavasi's fifth season at the helm, and this was presumably the roster that Bavasi had been trying to build. The roster sucks. I don't know if you've looked at the standings recently, but the team that Bavasi thought was a playoff contender has been, for eleven weeks, three and a half games worse than any other team in baseball. That's really bad. And with so little help on the way, it's not going to be a real easy situation for whoever comes next. I won't go so far as to say that we're completely ruined, because we're not, but this organization is a mess, in large part due to Bavasi's lack of foresight.

Say what you will about ownership's intervention. From things like the Carlos Guillen deal to the Johjima extension, I think we all know that Bavasi was operating within certain constraints. But with that said, over the years it's become abundantly clear what he's all about. He loves chemistry. Loves it. Loves talking about it, and loves trying to build it, even though he himself has said that it's nigh impossible to predict. He also loves veterans, labels, roles, and spending way too much money on marginal improvements. Throw in a crippling inability to evaluate pitching and defense and you have the makings of a disaster. To his credit, Bavasi's pretty good with acquiring minor leaguers and locking up young players to long-term deals, but the former has more to do with his scouts, and as for the latter, on the day of his termination Bavasi's front office found itself at a standstill in contract negotiations with one of the greatest young talents the league has to offer. While the man may not have been granted free reign to do whatever he wanted, given what we know about him, shouldn't we be thankful for that? Ignore the results and look at the thought processes. There is no reason to believe that Bill Bavasi is even a half-decent general manager, and the organization is better off now than it was this morning.

It isn't yet time to celebrate. When I read those messages and listened to my voicemail, I was interested, but I wasn't smiling. Remember the official LL slogan for 2008: It Can Always Get Worse. Today the organization released one of its heaviest anchors. That's good news. But until we know who comes next, I don't think it would be wise to party too hard. In the event that Armstrong and Lincoln stick around, are they going to interview some fresh new blood, or will they stick with the same pool of retreads that can't find work anywhere else? What about Bob Fontaine? What's he going to do? Will the new guy approach Felix with the same zeal that Bavasi did Yuni and Lopez, or will they remain at an impasse? There are a lot of important questions to be asked, and for the time being, we don't have any answers. And so I beg of you, do not assume that we'll come out of this all peaches. We could and we should, but until we know, it's silly to take future improvement for granted. If the Bavasi era taught you anything, let it be that.

I'm looking forward to the interview process. This is a team that could reasonably decide to either play for 2009 or blow everything up, and that's exciting, both for us as fans and for applicants as GM. It's kind of nice to have the immediate future so open-ended, if only because Bavasi was so eminently predictable. I'm excited and nervous. But I'm not nervous because I'm fearful of impending doom; I'm nervous because I don't know quite how to respond to this glimmer of hope. There exists for us and for this organization a glimmer of hope. Not false hope. Real hope. It's there and I can feel it, and for the first time in what seems like forever, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know the next step. I don't know who Armstrong and Lincoln will interview. I don't know if Armstrong and Lincoln will even be around for the interviews. I don't know what approach the new GM will take with this team. I don't know.

And that's what's so exciting.

* except for the Astros

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That's a cartload and a half of terrible in the related links.

I will miss your willingness to talk to the blogosphere Bavasi.
I am hopeful that the next GM will be willing to listen to us instead.

by Matthew on Jun 16, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's under Rick White

second column, very bottom.

by Matthew on Jun 16, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Y'know, its funny what you can forget

simply by denying that it ever happened. Thanks for bringing up old retarded memories. Seriously, thanks, I know we’ll never have to deal with that again. (though this feels a bit like when we all wanted Hargrove to quit for the longest time then got McLaren, though to be fair to Hargrove, no one called for him to be fired in 2007 due to, among other things, his excellent bullpen usage).

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Jun 16, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope...

Your last paragraph was positively Shawshankian, Jeff. Well done, and let’s hope the organization can find a way to make the Mariners shine bright with talent again.

by Bodhizefa on Jun 16, 2008 6:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

YO JEFF: On a completely non-baseball related note, I want you to know that...

...as 1.) someone who spent his past life as a professional editor and critic/redactor of other people’s writing style, and; 2.) as someone who has been a faithful LL reader for the last few years; I would say that this is one of your best written and most measured posts ever. You strike the right tone between a triangular arrangement: relief the Bavasi is out, acknowledgment that the man himself is pretty much unequaled when it comes to personal likability, and fear for the future. I still think your “Weaver Pirates CG shutout” post is the one that should occupy pride of place on your literary CV, but this one takes on a critically important subject with an admirably level head. So many other people (myself included) are jumping up and down saying stupid things in the heat of the moment that I appreciate this measured response.

by esoteric on Jun 16, 2008 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One failure down, one to go.

I heard Mac say on the pregame show he wants to play Wlad in CF.

by eponymous_coward on Jun 16, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's just put Richie in RF and see what happens

No, better yet, take the entire rotation, have them play infield, and just let Ichiro, Burke and Willie pitch.

by Gomez on Jun 16, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'd be hard pressed to find a GM as terrible as Bavasi

As nice of a guy he was, he was so bad at his job the percentages of finding someone nearly as bad as he was are astronomical.

by marinator on Jun 16, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wrong.

There are plenty of guys near or below his level.

by Happybelly on Jun 16, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many guys have managed to torpedo two seperate franchises in the space of a decade?

I don’t think the number is as high as you suggest.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jun 16, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 16, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 if you want to make 10 years into 15 years.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jun 16, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's funny because the Blue Jays were home grown.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 16, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jays were sunk more by Gord Ash than Pat Gillick.

Pat Gillick just left after the peak on the success cycle, and Ash didn’t notice.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Gillick just left after the peak on the success cycle

I’m sensing a pattern.

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here he did more of the future mortgaging that crippled us going forward.

In Toronto he just left and Gord Ash sold the farm to buy Roger Clemens.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

That’s one.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jun 16, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 16, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Expos were NOT his fault.

You try succeeding with 29 owners who would rather see you fail. Hell, the Mets aren’t really his fault either. He’s put together a pretty good roster, though I suppose you could argue that he needed to fire Randolph a while ago.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jun 16, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still, I think he did pretty good work in Montreal.

Maybe that’s the secret. He’s only good when you place absurd restrictions on him.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'd been ordered to "win now"

in order to try and save the franchise. The other owners all knew it, since they gave the order, and so they lowballed him on trade offers. He was in a fairly impossible position and did the best he could. Bowden is more to blame than Minaya at this point.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jun 17, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To claim that Minaya

has torpedoed the Mets is ridiculous. They were a bad team when he took over.

As GM of the Mets, he’s made his share of mistakes, bad decisions and some good decisions. Overall, he’s been meh.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 17, 2008 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's still time.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beware

I thought that at first, but these are the same people who looked at Bavasi as a savior when they hired him. I have nightmares of Cam Bonifay or Chuck LaMar even getting interviewed. If they’re even in consideration, that will show us what they’ve learned.

by overmanb on Jun 17, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to stop by (visiting from LetsGoTribe) and congratulate Jeff and all our old buddies here on Bavasi’s firing. Even though, (a) we are crushed that it would happen weeks before the Indians possibly were about to start dumping players, and (b) you still can’t have Chris Antonetti.

All kidding aside, it sounds like a joke, but I really am genuinely happy for you guys. You deserved better, and I’m sure you’ll get better with the next guy, even if only because it would be hard to find someone worse considering Ed Wade already has a job. As long as we don’t hear Steve Phillips’ name circulating, it’s safe to say you’re in for a nice improvement.

I hope this makes the season just a little more bearable for you. Losing sucks, but at least you guys get to see some blood.

by Jay on Jun 16, 2008 8:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

even if only because it would be hard to find someone worse

You can always do worse. Always. We’re holding off on the victory jig until we know who the replacement is.

by JI on Jun 16, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that reaction. Baseball Tonight just mentioned Antonetti and Cashman (of the expiring contract) as possibilities. Both good ones, but my bet is on neither.

by Jay on Jun 16, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because...

....this front office is still living in the 20th Century.

AND…they still want someone who they’e “comfortable” with. Apparently, they’ve chased off the only two GM/manager types that have brought the team success—they’d rather be comfortable with their “guys” than be winners…

by rtang on Jun 16, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It fits with the We Can Always Do Worse theme.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think my neck is safe now.

It’s not like I was really worried, though.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jun 16, 2008 8:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally, the USS Mariner guys are really embarassing themselves regarding Antonetti. Apparently they missed this story back in October, in which the Indians basically said Antonetti will succeed Shapiro, and Antonetti basically took himself off the market. Read it, judge for yourself, and post the link over at USSM if you want.

by Jay on Jun 16, 2008 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Common knowledge

Last October does not equal this coming October.

by JI on Jun 16, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

You’re right, we’re totally unaware of that news. We don’t follow baseball. In fact, I’ve never met Antonetti. I don’t have any friends in the Cleveland organization, and I know nothing at all about the inner workings of baseball front offices.

by davidcameron on Jun 16, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

He doesn't watch the games.

He just looks at spreadsheets.

by BrianL on Jun 16, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like a PC

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jun 16, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those commercials make me hate the Mac guy.

Now, whenever I see he’s in a movie, I assume the movie will blow and I’m filled with a fiery rage.

by joof on Jun 17, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I was really excited for that movie.

Popped it in, and just could not see the humor in it. Maybe I was too drunk. Or not drunk enough. But I’ve heard a lot of good things about it, so I’ll give it another shot.

When I think of most of my favorite movies, I didn’t like them that much on the first viewing.

by Teej on Jun 17, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it more each time I see it.

It’s definitely worth another look.

Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

by acblue on Jun 17, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. I have to agree with Teej. That movie is not worth the time.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes, I learned of this yesterday.

I’m glad there’s one person with worse movie taste than I.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've pointed it out before

and I’ll do it again. I don’t enjoy these movies, I watch them to test myself. I hate the majority of movies I watch.

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do know there are other ways you can see Mandy Moore

without having to resort to 1 1/2 hours of bad movie time.

by Jed MC on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Skin?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saved was hilarious.

It’s the other cheesy MM movies we’re mocking.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're a Mandy Moore loving masochist?

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do the same for Diane Lane.

I saw Under the Tuscan Sun in the theatre.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but I have impeccable taste in movies.

That movie is fucking genius.

Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

by acblue on Jun 17, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me, too. That character infuriates me.

And I actually like Justin Long in everything else, and John Hodgman is one of the funniest people alive, but I want to stab someone every time I see this shit.

by Teej on Jun 17, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, as I am going to be a business-marketing major in college this fall

I find these commercials quite brilliant. I guess I am a little biased because I am a mac user, but besides the point, I think they get their message across while adding a little humor to grab people’s attention.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jun 17, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'm also biased, because I'm not much of a Mac fan.

And before anyone jumps on me, I’ve used them my whole life. I had a Mac Classic when I was a boy. My dad had one of the first gigantic black-and-white Mac laptops, and my parents owned nothing but Macs my whole life. I sit at a desk with both a PC and a Mac every day at work. I’m aware of Apple’s talent in building simple, usable systems. But I just prefer PCs for my personal usage because of software, price and flexibility, and the arrogance that the commercials represent rubs me the wrong way.

You’re right—the commercials are very good. They’re effective, and funny. Apple’s advertising strategy has always been “encouraging the switch,” and that’s brilliant. And they do it quite well. But Justin Long’s character just reminds me too much of the people I’ve known over the years who spend everything they own on Apple products and can barely pay their rent, yet they don’t hesitate to regale you with their holier-than-thou bullshit because they have iMovie or some shit, then ask to use your computer because the software they just bought won’t work on their new laptop.

(By the way, I REALLY don’t want to have a Mac vs. PC debate, which will go nowhere good. Just wanted to point out why the ads make me want to stab something.)

by Teej on Jun 17, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a devoted PC guy, but having just acquired my first Vista machine

I can totally see where Mac users are coming from.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just bought a computer with Vista.

I don’t understand why everybody hates it so much.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on Jun 17, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's an unnecessary resource hog.

The only thing it has going for it is DX10.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah.

I have a quad-core 4 GB machine…I don’t really worry about resources much.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on Jun 17, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure it's not a problem for your machine or my machine

but Vista is being packaged with dual-core machines with only a gig or two of ram quite often. I lot of poor saps buy a machine from Costco pre-loaded with Vista, and their brand new machine can barely run it.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have Vista at home, and it works just fine.

I don’t really tax the resources on that computer much though. A few simple games, some word processing, and some pics and music is about all I do at home.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Jun 17, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you play browser-based games online?

Vista hates those if they need a Java Runtime environment.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have this problem

Almost exactly as you described it, I bought my PC from Costco pre-loaded with Vista and this piece of shit crashes all the time because the memory isn’t up to the task whenever I try to run stuff the least bit system intensive.

by OlSalty on Jun 17, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I handle PC purchasing and distribution at the company I work for

and this problem always gives me one hell of a headache. I’m not going to shell out money for a quad-core machine that our employees are only going to use for word processing, spreadsheets, and e-mail, so I buy low-end single or dual core machines. Unfortunately, I can’t get them bundled with XP anymore.

I end up having to format each machine after we get it, load XP (thankfully we have an Enterprise agreement with Microsoft) onto it, track down the drivers, hand-install each one, and re-install Office 2k3 before shipping the computer out. I shouldn’t have to go through so many steps.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How long does it take to go from Vista to XP?

I’ve been meaning to do it to my laptop for a while, but when I got around to it, there really wasn’t a helpful guide I could find out there.

by seattlebruin on Jun 17, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get the drivers on a thumbdrive before you start.

The format and install shouldn’t take any longer than 30-40 minutes, the driver installs should take another 15-20 on top of that.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Use images.

Get Ghost, or one of the plethora of Linux image management sets. It’ll save you.

Otherwise, look into slipstreaming all your most common drivers into your XP discs. It’s easier than you think, you’ll soon be doing it offhandedly every time you get a new model.

Coming from an IT background, I can tell you the 15-30 hours you put into building a proper disc image server and slipstreaming updates, you get back every time it takes you 1/2 hour to get a computer set up.

by Faux on Jun 17, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I am using slipstreamed discs.

The problem is a lot of these PC and laptop manufacturers are using proprietary hardware and drivers that often aren’t preloaded into the XP driver database.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That and I'm on a budget, so I'm typically forced to buy a different machine every time I have to fulfil a request.

If I was buying a fleet of identical machines, I’d slipstream the drivers onto a disc in a heartbeat.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohh.

That’s tougher…

Umm, yeah… good luck I guess.

by Faux on Jun 17, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I slipstream the discs as best I can

In other words, I’ve got an install disc that has SP3 as well as some required company software snuck on there. The drivers are another problem entirely.

Also, fuck HP. I bought an HP laptop (against my will, I wanted to get a Thinkpad but my boss vetoed it) for our CFO and the fucking XP drivers on their website were broken.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that comes with the HP territory.

That’s a shame about the TP. Even a low level T series is better than almost any HP.

Just try getting decent scanner drivers/software from them. I was on the phone with a tech for about 6 hours, after sending in 3 scanners already. He was adamant that I had to wipe/install XP on the machine (already had XP). After getting into a shouting match with his manager (over a 2000$ scanner), I finally got the head of CS and get my problem solved in a conference call with two programmers from the driver team.

by Faux on Jun 17, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can slipstream any driver into XP discs.

You can even register them as Windows approved. I’d tell you where to look it up, because it’s out there somewhere, but I learned it from my boss, so I never had to look it up.

If I can’t find it somewhere online, I’ll try to get the steps down (Not something I’m very good at.)

by Faux on Jun 17, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh yeah, that's probably why you don't see the big deal

They auto-installed it on EVERY machine, even the lower-grade, cheaper ones. Vista’s probably great on a good machine. On a low-ender with fewer GB, it’s a hog that brings many processes to a crawl.

by Gomez on Jun 17, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bringing up the Mac commercials one more time

The Mac commercials bring up how when a Mac’s OS is upgraded, they don’t need to chance anything with their hardware while PCs have to upgrade graphics cards and memory and such.

Before I had a mac, I had a PC, and when I upgraded it to Vista (yes when it first came out, I am not too bright with PCs) the Aero feature didn’t even work because my computer was too old, and the sound eventually got messed up. Part of the reason I support Macs is because whenever I’ve had a PC they always crap out in one form or another, from either crappy OSs, or hardware, or spyware.

Anyway, I will stop provoking a Mac vs. PC debate now.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jun 17, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So do I. Applications crash far more often than they did under XP.

And Vista hangs from time to time.

And Java doesn’t work without crashing your browser unless you edit your registry to disable DEP.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I studied them for a group project in one of my classes

It’s all about identity politics and using the inherent polarized generalities that society judges each other by to coax viewers into seeing the Mac as a cutting edge system. It’s quite the effective, non-traditional approach.

by Gomez on Jun 17, 2008 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do think it is more than persuasion that makes the commercials effective

A lot that is mentioned in the Apple commercials are true, such as there being just one OS with everything on it opposed to multiple OSs with different features, the systems all being made by one person, as opposed to all different parts coming from different people, or the fact that Macs aren’t slowed down or eventually crapped out by spyware.

Maybe the commercials come off as pretentious to PC users, I can understand that, but from a marketing point of view, you have to admire the creativity and the success of the commercials while intertwining advantages of Macs vs. disadvantages of PCs. To compare this the Microsoft, I was recently in Staples reading a pamphlet advertising Vista, and I just felt bad for the marketers, because reading through the bullet points it seemed they had a hard time finding reasons to make you want to buy each edition.

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jun 17, 2008 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apple really, really needs to look into these commercials.

I can’t be the only person identifying with PC more than Mac.

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not.

Both my girlfriend and I are exactly the sort of hipster jerks who are Mac’s target audience…and every time we see these commercials we both agree that they just make us want to buy a PC and kick the smug Mac punk in the nuts.

The whole “join the young hip in-crowd!” vibe of the commercials is so transparent it comes off as crassly manipulative and condescending.

by esoteric on Jun 17, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't most ads to convince you buy the product because the hip in-crowd is doing it?

Beverage ads (both beer and soda) are like that and all kids commercials are like that too. I do admit the Mac vs. PC ads are particularly annoying and condescending.

The whole Mac vs. PC debates haven’t changed much since the BBS days. I’m sure there are some redundant Coke vs. Pepsi debates on line too. And probably some Risk-esque games too.

by Jed MC on Jun 17, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Car ads tend to try to sell you a lifestyle rather than a car.

You belong outside

Who cares? What does the car do?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but I also enjoy the fun music in the background.

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jun 17, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, spreadsheets are important.

Macs, in many respects, are like gaming consoles. I’m almost exclusively a PC gamer because I find consoles horribly limiting. I get the same feeling whenever I use a Mac (or an iPod, for that matter – I hate those things) – probably just because I have no idea how to modify a Mac.

Just this week I had to disable Data Execution Prevention on my Vista PC. This required about an hour of research and then a single command line entry – bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx AlwaysOff – but Macs are completely impervious to my skills.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there is a decent chance get a better GM

But we’re not exactly a beacon of luck around here. It’s gotten to the point where I hope we get a GM that doesn’t spend an arseload of money and commitment on bad players.

In a perfect world, we get someone who knows how to build a baseball team. Thankfully, as of right now, that possibility exists. That’s something at least.

by ThundaPC on Jun 16, 2008 10:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Bavasi was stopping the Bloomquist -> CF, Ichiro -> RF

At least we have him to thank for one thing.

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

by Mariner John on Jun 16, 2008 10:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

by acblue on Jun 16, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one knows more than I do how much Bavasi being gone means to your franchise.

So congratulations.

Also- Damn it.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jun 16, 2008 11:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh.

I consider Bavasi to be worse than just about anybody, and argued as much in the Pirates blog worst GM vote earlier this season. Krivsky had two and a half years (not a whole lot) on Cincinnati and not all his moves were horrid. Still a step up, IMO.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Jun 17, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea how much of that farm system can be attributed to Krivsky,

but shit, it would be really nice to have Bruce, Votto, Cueto and (eventually) Bailey hanging around when it’s time to burn this bitch to the ground.

by Teej on Jun 17, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And even if you entirely disregard the farm

Krivsky got the Reds Brandon Phillips, no star, yes, but still a pretty decent player; and Josh Hamlton, who was turned into Edinson Volquez, for basically nothing. Those moves certainly balance out the Kearns + Lopez trade.

He also picked up Jeff Keppinger for essentially nothing.

And incidentally, Daryl Thomson, who went to the Reds in the Kearns trade, is starting to look like a pretty decent pitching prospect. This year, 22Ks, 4 BBs in 27.2 IP, 4 starts in AAA in the Int and in 10 starts in AA, 56Ks, 14 BBs, in 61 IP. In 2007, in 27 starts in A and A+, 121 Ks, 33 BBs, in 133 IP.

Conversely, Lopez has been a bust, his good numbers while with the Reds boosted by the home park, and Kearns has also been very disappointing.

It seems to me that Krivsky’s supposed suckiness, is way exaggerated.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 17, 2008 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phillips is a star.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Phillips,

but star? Perhaps. He’s a decent offensive player, slightly above average. Defensively, he has the reputation of being very good. The BIS based metrics loved him last year and continue to do so this year. The STATS based metrics had him at around average in 2006 and 2007, and among the best this year.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 17, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though his on base skills aren't great

he has

-power
-steals
-makes decent contact
-play good to great defense at a premium position

Sounds like a star to me.

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's definitely top 5 of all 2B in the league, probably top 3

Not the best in baseball though, Chase Utley is crazy.

by OlSalty on Jun 17, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His EQA this season is 273

it was 272 last season, career 251. So his talent level right now is probably around a 270-275 EQA.

EQAs of of some other 2b: Utley, 338, Uggla, 322, Kinsler, 297, Derosa, 290, Roberts, 289, Johnson, 283, Durham 281, Hudson, 279, Ellis, 270, Castillo, 269, Grudzielanek 267, Polanco 267.

Now, obviously some of these guys are having career seasons, Uggla, Kinsler, Derosa and to a lesser extent, Hudson, but then guys like Cano and Pedroia are also performing much worse than expected.

Offensively, he’s pretty good, but nothing all that special. Defensively, let’s assume that he is very good. So, that places him at around Mark Ellis’ level. Which is pretty good, star level I suppose. Top 3 or top 5 2b? Well, when you combine offense and D, quite a few 2b are bunched around that level.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 17, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh, I dunno

Hudson’s 279 EQA is a career high. His career average is 262.

He and Ellis are good comps for each other. Ellis’ career average EQA is also 262.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jun 18, 2008 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I first read that, I thought you were talking about Tim Hudson

and then instantly thought “wait, why didn’t the A’s just let him try CF in the minors then?”

by seattlebruin on Jun 18, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DOV pimping, among others, Jeff for Ass. GM in training.

That would be cool, although the GTE would have to be monitored. “Jose, sorry I called you a fucking piece of dogshit and said that I hope you rot in hell last night. GTE. We cool?”

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jun 17, 2008 5:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be on board with Antonetti/Sullivan

Better than Coach/butthol

Also, linky

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jun 17, 2008 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For once I complete agree with Detecto.

SULLIVAN FOR ASSISTANT GM!

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."

~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box

by Goose on Jun 17, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Day 91

Got a restricted call today. Thought it might be Lincoln, so I picked up. It was my mom. She didn’t have any information about the job. I made some toast.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 17, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would your mom call you from upstairs?

All bloggers live in their mom’s basements, right?

by seattlebruin on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phone's are easier than yelling.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So are phones.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like the noe was intentional.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOE

New Orleans East? j/k

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Jun 17, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

New Orleans!
Home of pirates, drunks, and whores!
New Orleans!
Tacky, overpriced, souvenir stores!
If you want to go to hell, you should make that trip,
To the Sodom and Gomorrah on the Mississipp’!

New Orleans!
Stinking, rotten, vomiting, vile!
New Orleans!
Putrid, brackish, maggoty, foul!
New Orleans!
Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank!

New Orleans!

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on Jun 17, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

New Orleans.

The food spices, sizzles, delights.
Alcohol in the streets, it’s our right.
We dance through the night into the morn’.
Following the sound of that old brass horn.
Seduced by the scent of jasmine on the breeze.
We wonder why anyone might ever leave.
Here we will stay, come what may.
Laissez le bon temps roulet!

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer yours.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Jun 17, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprisingly, yes.

But that’s giving JI too much credit.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just dumb luck.

I wouldn’t know east from west of I was in NO.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Jun 17, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither do we.

Everything is uptown, downtown, river side, lake side.
When I drive to the West Bank (yes, we have one) at 9AM, the sun is in my eyes. Doesn’t make a bit of sense.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might I interest you in a compass?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 17, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot:

And now I’m here.

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."

~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box

by Goose on Jun 17, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's assuming you will fail.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone should tell him that Beane is part owner of the A's.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean

Assistant to the GM!

Jl/Robert '08: Promise for a CoachCage tomorrow!

by Fin on Jun 17, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would kill LL.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then who will be our slaves?

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach and butthol

plus think of all the free publicity the new GM will give LL. He can pimp it in every press conference, leading to our eventual dominance of the M’s FO AND blogosphere!

by seattlebruin on Jun 17, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The minor drawback is that I will have to cut and paste

the content of USSM and Rotoworld and pass it off as my own.

"Jeff Clement has a slow bat." -Jeff Sullivan

by JI on Jun 17, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, we were just fine without them this weekend.

No, really.

Yes, I'm a girl. Yes, I know baseball. Yes, I even drink beer.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a MAD pact.

If any of us three get a FO job, that person has 30 days to get the other two into the organization or he faces death from the outsiders.

by Matthew on Jun 17, 2008 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Oh, and when I told our manager to die in a fire?

I didn’t really mean that. At least not after the 8th inning.”

by Gomez on Jun 17, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check out Dan Szymborski's Tribute to Bill Bavasi

Complete with moving music.

"It didn’t really bother me at all," Johnson said. "If it would have, he’d probably be in a stretcher and I’d be out of the game."

~Randy Johnson on Doug Mientkiewicz taking too long to step into the batters box

by Goose on Jun 17, 2008 1:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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