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Earlier today on the train back from LA, I saw a guy wearing a Rays hat. As he walked by my seat in the aisle I gave him a high five.

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Biggest Contribution: Sean Green, +15.6%
Biggest Suckfest: JJ Putz, -48.5%
Most Important AB: Betancourt lineout, -14.6%
Most Important Pitch: Granderson single, -18.6%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -33.7%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -23.3%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +7.0%
(What is this chart?)

Still probably a day or two away from returning to normal posting action. If you need a way to pass the time, I recommend shifting your schedule around to make room for the LL/USSM event on the 14th. Be there. Or don't.

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The Rays hat guy scares me

I pray to god the Rays Nation don’t become the next Red Sox Nation.

by Fin on Jun 1, 2008 11:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This site accounts for like 10 percent of all Rays fans. I wouldn't worry about it.

The obnoxious Red Sox Nation as we know it today took decades to create. Plus the Sox are the regional team for a pretty big area. Tampa/St. Pete has nothing on that, and there’s zero history of fan dedication.

I don’t see a whole lot of 50-year-olds dusting off their Rays hats now that they’re finally good.

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, cool

It’s just I see them in Sports Illustrated and all the national media reporting on how good they are and will be, and I just hope there won’t be this big bandwagon forming. It would sap all the fun out of cheering for them.

by Fin on Jun 1, 2008 11:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you.

But teams make runs and people freak out, but the following never matches anything like RSN. This may be a bad example because they always end up burning down their teams, which fans tend to hate, but the Marlins have won two World Series and made appearances on many an SI cover, yet they still have about 18 fans around the country.

Plus it’s the AL East, so the Rays will be underdgos for the foreseeable future.

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The difference between the Marlins and the Rays though

Is the Marlins don’t play the Yankees and Red Sox over 30 times a year, so I would think the Rays would get more national media coverage for that reason.

by Fin on Jun 2, 2008 12:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN still thinks the Rays are a fluke

so there won’t be a big bandwagon for a while.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jun 2, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THEY HAVE NO VETERANS OR CONSISTENCY

unless you count consistent winning as consistency…

Joe Morgan – making America’s baseball fans dumber one game at a time!

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2008 9:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummmm.... aren't we considered bandwagon fan of the Rays?

I don’t see why others can’t hop aboard.

Fanhood is like economics. It goes in cycles. Eventually a bubble forms and then bursts. The Red Sox bubble is at its height. The Rays are seeing some inflation, but no bubble is forming, yet. Once the Red Sox bubble bursts, the Rays have the potential to be the next bubble to form. If they get a new stadium, the Rays’ inflation on fanhood will likely skyrocket and it may kick off a bubble to form.

I digressed. My main point is that worrying about a bandwagon forming around the Rays is like the pot calling the kettle black. Just be happy you jumped on board early because it may begin to get crowded.

by Wilder. on Jun 2, 2008 8:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess what I meant is

I am more worried about there being an obnoxious Rays Nation just as there is with the Red Sox Nation now where the fans invade every stadium the team plays in. I am glad though that my worries have been put to rest. I am probably going to buy a Rays cap within the next couple of weeks.

by Fin on Jun 2, 2008 8:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, I see now.

Yeah, as of right now, the only teams I can see becoming a national annoyance must be located in the cities of New York, Boston, and Los Angeles. It’s trendy to live in those areas and attaching oneself to a sports team located in those cities is the best way to prove your trendiness.

Tampa Bay has Miami and Orlando in its way before it becomes a trendy place to live. And seeing how the Marlins won two World Series in a 10-year period and they still don’t get any love, the Rays are definitely safe from ever becoming like “Red Sox Nation.”

Go buy that hat!

by Wilder. on Jun 2, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Part of the RSN bandwagon

was that, before 2004, the team hadn’t won in several decades and lived under a myth that they had fallen short because of some supernatural curse involving some fat lefthanded pitcher they dealt to the Yankees. Add in the clean cut $200 million Yankees (never mind that the Bosox have a huge payroll themselves) as their division rival blocking their path to the playoffs and World Series, and you’ve got the perfect image of an All-American Underdog.

The Rays have no such history. Any bandwagon will be a lot smaller and decidedly less annoying.

by Gomez on Jun 2, 2008 12:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention that the 2004 ALCS in itself was one of the most amazing things ever seen in baseball.

After that, it was all over. The Nation was born.

I dislike what the comeback led to, but I don’t regret rooting for it to happen. That was an incredible week.

by Teej on Jun 2, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...of sleep deprivation

for those of us who were out East.

by Jeff on Jun 2, 2008 12:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed, it was pretty awesome. I still persist that I don't hate (all) Red Sox players, just the bandwagon.

I’ve been to Fenway and it’s awesome how the crowd will get into it without having to be prompted by the scoreboard and hearing random chants like “Fuck-you My-ers” when Mike Myers is brought in to pitch for them. The bandwagon sucks and a lot of them show up at Fenway but I sat next to a few older couples my two games there and you could tell they’d been there through the worst of it. It was a lot of fun. I just am afraid that going back now would be decidedly less fun, because nothing is worse than Red Sox Nation these days.

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by BrettJMiller on Jun 2, 2008 10:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at the Capital Mall in Oly today, and strolled down to the baseball hat store, intent on picking up a Rays hat.

They were down to one Rays hat, in a rarely required size. They had plenty of everything else. (Except a 7 5/8 Rainiers hat, which was a fallback.)

-aaron c.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2008 1:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a tremendous melon.

The only bad thing about losing a ton of weight is that when I was a big fat guy, no one noticed, but now that I’m ~average size, it’s definitely quite apparent.

-aaron c.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2008 1:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wore my Rays hat to softball for like the 10th consecutive week today.

A couple Red Sox fans on the team, too. All in good fun, but it’s nice to pretend you’re not a Mariners fan sometimes.

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did see a little kid wearing an M's hat at the field today.

I was tempted to give him my Rays hat.

“Here. You’re still young. There’s a better way.”

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Screw that noise

The kids should have to go through the same bullcrap that we do.

by Jeff on Jun 1, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man, you really hate kids.

Nah, I bought a big package of pink Mariners blankets and shit for my friend’s newborn girl a couple of years ago. I helped create another sad M’s fan.

But yeah, I guess it’s good to go through this pain. If the M’s win a World Series before we die, it will be all the better.

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with Jeff

I’ve now gone through 28 years of this pain, so when the M’s win the WS… it will be that much sweeter.
Effin Mariners. Damn it.

by josh_h on Jun 1, 2008 11:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fully agreed.

I moved to Washington in 1990 at the age of 8, so I’m almost 18 years into my M’s fanhood, so you’ve got a decade on me. But yes, if (please, WHEN) it happens, it will be a glorious day. Year. Life.

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill brought his kid with him to the game.

During the 9th I just leaned over to her and said “See, your dad is raising you right—you’ll know that good things don’t come easy in life when you’re older.”

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jun 2, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh.

I’d just show my kid the Beavis & Butthead segment:

Beavis - “Heh heh, hey Butthead - why do we have things that suck?”
Butthead - “Uhhh. Uhhhh. Well, if we didn’t have things that suck, how would we know what’s cool???”
Beavis - “Heh heh. Oh, yeah. Heh heeh heh heh…”

That’s all the lesson he needs on that subject…

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Jun 2, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Completely OT

Kerry Wood is fucking dealing. I was not expecting this.

by JI on Jun 1, 2008 11:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

[Deleted, OT]
I am glad I only spent a twenty something round draft pick in my fantasy league for him! He was a sleeper pick for sure! That is good for the Cubs.

by Fin on Jun 1, 2008 11:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did anybody see Melky Cabera's botch in CF today for the Yanks? It was worse than Raul...seriously...

I mean, Justin Morneau got an inside the park FB (well techincally a triple with an E) because of it. It was hilariously bad.

by SethGrandpa on Jun 1, 2008 11:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beloved mods:

Why do you guys rip into me every damn thread? Is it because of my age? Because I like to talk about random shit? I read most of this thread and I see no reason for everybody to rip into me. In past threads I’ve gotten destroyed also. Again, I see no reason why… Somebody in this thread said that it’s because rarely do my posts pertain to the open game thread, but to be honest, so much shit in this thread has nothing to do with baseball it’s definitely normal. Nothing I do is out of the ordinary in the threads.

I know how to gif failure, that’s what it boils down to. I respect this site so much more than USSM because the community is much, much better. Please, for the sake of all Mariners fans, do not turn this site and this great community into a negative, degrading USSM.

by JI on Jun 2, 2008 9:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always rec your gifs over Jeff's

I don’t like contributing to dictatorships. Unless maybe it was Jessica Alba dictating.

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JI/Robert '08 is not a dictatorship

Everyone who votes for them (me, Fin, LFoJL) will be given equal rights to work the CoachCage

(insert JI/Robert ‘08 banner here)

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeff/Matthew/Graham

The ticket Coach would vote for.

(I expect my payment by 3PM, JI)

by BrianL on Jun 2, 2008 12:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

Your payment isn't good enough.

JI/Robert – The ticket endorsed by Coach, Butthol, and ASUBoyd.

by BrianL on Jun 2, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Now that's a hot Lamb-orghini"

This was the MLB.com headline about Mike Lamb hitting a triple in the previous game.

I know that MLB.com’s punnery is notoriously poor but this has to be the worst I have ever seen.

by Alex B on Jun 2, 2008 12:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FIP question

Can someone smarter than me explain why Greg Smith has a better FIP than Jason Bergmann? I’m looking at K and BB, and Bergmann’s been far better. Is it the homers?

Fantasy warning: The reason I’m asking is a friend is asking me who’s a better bet going forward. And I’m kind of on the fence.

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:50 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah, I just want to explain.

Like I mentioned last week in one of my deft maneuvers to bring up fantasy baseball, I don’t talk about MY fantasy team, but sometimes I have overall questions about baseball players that are indirectly related to fantasy. And people might wonder: “Who gives a fuck about even one of those pitchers, let alone both.”

It’s not like I’m like BEEELTRE!! HES ON MY FANTASY TEAM WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT!!?

by Teej on Jun 1, 2008 11:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, it's the homers

FIP = [ (13xHR) + ((BB+HBP)x3) – (Kx2) ] / IP + ~3.2

Homers play a huge role in determining a pitcher’s FIP. However, you’ll notice that Smith and Bergmann have opposite HR/FB’s, so the FIP difference should shrink over time as regression takes place.

by Jeff on Jun 1, 2008 11:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I take it Rauuuuul was his usual circus in the field today?

I missed the ninth inning, which is probably for the better. Is there some reason we don’t let Morrow stay in for more than one inning?

by Smegmalicious on Jun 2, 2008 1:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you let him pitch too much,

he might start getting wild ideas and sneak into the starting rotation when no one’s looking. And no one wants that.

by Teej on Jun 2, 2008 1:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.

We have 5 #1 starters, we don’t need another.

by Smegmalicious on Jun 2, 2008 2:02 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are all 10-0 with 0.00 ERA's right?

So there is no need at all to develop another long term starter, right?

Shave and a haircut two ti- hey hold on.

by PhilKenSebben on Jun 2, 2008 2:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course not.

We have two “losing-streak stoppers,” according to Howard Lincoln. That’s all you need.

by Teej on Jun 2, 2008 2:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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