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I love fights.

In hockey.

People criticize the proliferation of fights in the NHL, but what they don't realize is that, on top of the fact that most fights follow from a gentleman's agreement, there's also a strategy involved. Fights evoke emotion. Fights lift the bench. If a team is trailing or simply not playing very well, oftentimes you'll see one of its players drop the gloves in an effort to get everyone amped up and back in the game. Chances are good that, if a guy on a struggling team goes out there and fights, afterwards the rest of the guys are going to be skating a little harder.

No doubt this line of thinking crossed Richie's mind somewhere between waking up and charging the mound like a crazy idiot. You'd have a hard time convincing me that that stunt wasn't at least a little bit premeditated, and that it wasn't at least a little bit intended to light a spark under a team that, lately, has been playing like crap. I'm sure a big part of it was also just the boiling over of personal frustration, but the fact that Richie ran out there on a pitch that wasn't even particularly close tells me that he was just waiting for the opportunity to send a message. A message to the Rangers, a message to the AL, and - more than anything else - a message to the Mariners.

But here's the problem with that: baseball isn't hockey. Hockey is a sport that feeds off of emotion. It's blatantly obvious when a team is trying and when it's just going through the motions. Bad teams beat good ones all the time because they skate a little faster, pass a little crisper, and hit a little harder. In short, hockey is equal parts ability and effort.

Baseball isn't. Granted, if you have a team that doesn't really care at all about winning, it'll show up in the box score, but by and large, the results are driven by ability and randomness. There just isn't very much room for emotion to play a significant role. Almost everything in baseball is done best with a clear head. Batters need to focus. They can't go up to the plate looking to beat the snot out of the pitcher because it isn't going to work. And pitchers can't stand on the mound all angry-like trying to make the batters look stupid, because they'll get wild. These kinds of things (defense too) require incredible concentration. Especially in the Major Leagues, when the other guy's perfectly capable of using your emotions against you. Players can't afford to let their feelings get the best of them.

If Richie wanted to give his team a lift, he should've tried to hit. Or walk. Or just play better in general. Because as much as I imagine baseball players won't want to admit it, stuff like this just doesn't accomplish what people think it does. It's a fantastic way to vent and just go completely insane for a few minutes - and we can all understand the need to do that from time to time - but in terms of actually helping a team improve, I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing how that would work. It certainly didn't work tonight. It was entertaining, and it probably helped Richie blow off some steam, but I don't see how this sort of thing could shake the Mariners into playing better baseball. To do that, they need to score more runs. And to do that, they need to be better at hitting. They're bad at hitting, and no amount of hilarious helmet tosses is going to make them improve.

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Biggest Contribution: Richie Sexson, +2.1%
Biggest Suckfest: Felix, -22.3%
Most Important AB: Lopez double play, -7.7%
Most Important Pitch: Kinsler homer, -13.3%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -23.9%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -27.3%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +1.2%
(What is this chart?)

I guess I probably shouldn't try to think rationally about this whole thing since there's nothing more irrational in baseball than the bench-clearing brawl. Teammates see a guy charge the mound and five seconds later they're out there pinning the other team's backup catcher in a chokehold while getting sucker-punched from the side by a veteran LOOGY. It doesn't really make that much sense if you think about it. It's not just the players, either. Look at the opposing fan bases during a brawl and they'll be spitting some of the most potent venom you've ever heard. When a brawl first breaks out, even the most objective, even-handed fan on the planet is going to be pointing at the backup catcher screaming "THAT GUY'S A BITCH!" They're just insanely polarizing. From the field to the broadcast booth to people's living rooms around the country, a brawl truly makes a baseball game feel like an us-versus-them battle royale. It's energizing, but it's also really, really ugly (update: and clumsy. Holy crap, the clumsiness. Baseball players should not be allowed to try to throw punches) (update #2: well I guess technically they're not allowed to throw punches). A big part of me is thankful they're as rare as they are. I couldn't deal with that level of hate on a more frequent basis.

The game? Felix was bad. Richie was kind of stupid. Kason Gabbard got his ass beat, albeit not on the scoreboard, which would've been way better. Mark Lowe was awesome. We lost again. If I'm starting to sound like a broken record, that's weird, because I'm typing, you freak.

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You know who else is a freak?

Your mom ohhhhhhhhh snap

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 9, 2008 1:41 AM PDT   0 recs

Yes I am a liiiiiitle ibt drunk.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 9, 2008 1:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Join the club

Whose turn is it tommorow night?

by Robert on May 9, 2008 3:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lookout Landing's

Let’s all toast the end of the season.

by Alex B on May 9, 2008 3:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can I volunteer?

I’ll be drunk at some point tonight (although I probably won’t be where I have internet access)...

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 9, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

'll be.

Unfortunately, I’m not funny when drunk posting because I try to spell correctly too hard

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The drunk typo thing is played out

Type well, so we can all immediately understand the nonsense that you’re thinking.

by marc w on May 9, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

just got back from work

I don’t know what started the fight, but it was awesome!

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 9, 2008 2:30 AM PDT   0 recs

"awesome"??

for one ballplayer to run out and hit another with a helmet, then fall on him. Gabbard fell to his knees..he didn’t even swing back, and Sexson hit him with his helmet, for a pitch over the plate.

That’s “awesome”??

IMO, sounds like you’d probably call the Grand Canyon “cute”.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on May 9, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it was fun and entertaining to watch

therefore it was awesome

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 9, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why is this douche still around?

A 50-year old A’s troll that’s made nothing but snide comments on here? I’ve seen it all.

by redwolf75 on May 9, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We do

but since young people are never wrong, it’s a moot point

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Get off my lawn!

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 9, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 9, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was at the game in row 9 by the home plate (photos up tomorrow night)

the fight ‘felt’ like a good thing. Everyone had something anything to cheer for. I laughed. I screamed. I cheered for the team that I have followed so closely for so long was doing anything worth cheering for.
If I had the choice, I would have choosen a true King Felix day with a HR from all the starting 9. But that was not going to happen. The brawl happened and it was something, anything, that made me want to stay to the last pitch.

Now start playing baseball you clowns!

by mark sobba on May 9, 2008 2:34 AM PDT   0 recs

I totally agree!

I was at the game as well and I was yelling, laughing, cheering and going absolutely nuts. For the fans, this just felt AWESOME. It reignited our fading interest in the otherwise terrible and boring game and made us feel SOMETHING again. It was epic. Sexson rocks my world.

by l0nepinemall on May 9, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So we still invading DRays Bay?

Because I’m all for it.

Other than that, I think I’m gonna ignore this team for a while. No games, No Felix Days, no nothing. Box scores and game recaps will suffice for a while.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert

by Goose on May 9, 2008 3:07 AM PDT   0 recs

i wish i could

i can’t totally leave the team even when they suck. too much of a die-hard. but i sure as hell won’t be caring about the loses as much. this season is over. go drays! go mets!

by phil333 on May 9, 2008 7:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mets? Pfft.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert

by Goose on May 9, 2008 7:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Sexson's reaction to throwing the helmet is hillarious

Over on Geoff Baker’s blog:

“Sexson admitted he should not have thrown the helmet. Used a swear word to describe his action, which has to do with a chicken and is a euphamism (sic) for cowardly.”

He also seems convinced that the high pitch was on purpose. Looking at the signs during the game I got the impression that Laird wanted something inside at least, really inside probably, and a plunk maybe.

It’s been a while since I caught, and when I did I wasn’t on TV so when I wanted a guy plunked I just stuck my thumb out. What did you guys make of it?

by Smegmalicious on May 9, 2008 3:19 AM PDT   0 recs

After watching it myself

The setup was perfect. Two Rangers plunked, a retaliatory message was inevitable. Raul and Beltre complied by grounding out and flying out respectively to set up a two out situation where a plunk or a buzz wouldn’t mean much except as a signal. Up went the pitch. Up went Sexson’s temper. Up went our interest for a few minutes.

If he’d have done it on the fourth pitch, non issue. But it was the first pitch with two out. It was an obvious message, problem was Sexson wasn’t taking messages. He should have just stood there, stared, and jawed like a good little angry baseball player. Ump comes out and issues warnings, and that should have been the end of it. Instead, Kevin Nash flung his dome cap.

Stupidity, to be sure.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 9, 2008 3:44 AM PDT   0 recs

Except

the pitch was not inside. It might have even caught the plate. It was just a high fastball.

by HungryHunter on May 9, 2008 9:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You're making the fallacy of not seeing it from Sexson's perspective.

Watching it on replay is much different than being at the plate yourself and seeing a high 90 mph fastball coming your general direction at eye level. I’m not defending Richie’s decision, but your over-simplifying the problem.

by redwolf75 on May 9, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Your general direction"

I realize that Sexson’s skills have diminished quite a bit, but that pitch was out over the plate. If that’s your definition of “in your general direction” then every time a batter comes to the plate the pitcher is going to be throwing in their general direction.

Sexson wanted to fight. He so much as admitted to it in the post game interview. He said that he knew he was going to get hit. He made a real ass out of himself.

by HungryHunter on May 9, 2008 11:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

None of us our denying that Richie made an ass out of himself.

He did, however, provide amusement, of which that game was sorely lacking.

My point was that just because that pitch ended up more toward the middle of the plate (and it wasn’t looking at replay), it may have not looked that way coming at Richie.

by redwolf75 on May 9, 2008 11:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Richie knew he was a target

he expected to be thrown at… when the pitch came in at eye level, rather than at hip level, he went ballistic. It was supposed to be a message pitch… that much was obvious to everyone on both teams. It was NOT supposed to be coming in at head level.

by johnbai on May 9, 2008 1:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tell me about it --

I stopped watching 5 minutes before he charged the mound.

by redwolf75 on May 9, 2008 7:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

At least the Spurs-Hornets game was entertaining

by ningwers on May 9, 2008 8:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fuck the Spurs

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on May 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Think of all the infield singles!

His Batting average would be near .250!

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on May 9, 2008 9:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately, he's only required to throw it AT the shortstop

there’s nothing in our rules requiring that he HIT the shortstop. Kind of like his hitting in general.

BAVASI: When we’re at home, you’re required to swing at low, outside breaking balls
RICHIE: But I’m not required to hit them, right? I can just miss then go sit down?
BAVASI: Yes
RICHIE: Alright, sounds good. WHIFF

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2008 9:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BIG RICHIE

He’s getting shut out and he still sucks
If you throw a high fastball you’d better duck
Richie: EAT MY HELMET BITCH
Kason: But I wasn’t even throw at y- [eats helmet]
BIG RICHIE

by Gomez on May 9, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   3 recs

This video would be cooler

if Richie then turned around and ran back to homeplate, went into a headfirst slide 20 feet in front of the plate and slid past home base, then did a 180 while still sliding and came back to tag the plate.

by johnbai on May 9, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

holy crap

i unfortunately am too poor to get cable, or i dont spend my money in a manner that allows me to pay fucking comcast their stupid monthly increasing prices to get ti. So i cant watch the games.

I didnt see the video until i heard that Sexon got a 6 game suspension. I was like WTF. but this video explains it. When I first heard about a fight, I thought, wow, cool a fight, maybe we can motivate ourselves and save the season… but this is a lame ass attempt. I do not discredit Sexon, in fact I sincerely appreciate the effort. However, could you please make it a little less obvious. Albeit, this is pretty funny if you think about it. Unfortunately, this was more hilarious than serious.

I still owe you a thank you Sexon. Hopefully you have motivated us. Now raise your terribel batting average!

by SeattleReign on May 9, 2008 3:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I finished mowing the lawn after work, and got back in the house just in time to see Cairo and go:

WTF??? I had to wait until this morning at work to watch a replay and find out what happened.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 9, 2008 12:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In other news to make Jeff happy, Ben Broussard was DFA'd yesterday and is now available.

I also was looking at THT team stats and it wasn’t very pretty. 2nd to last in the AL for runs scored a game (KC is last), they allow the 4th most runs per game, and only Texas has a lower DER. If I wasn’t raised as a fan of the mid-80’s Mariners I might not watch baseball this year.

by Jed MC on May 9, 2008 7:59 AM PDT   0 recs

I would be better than Cairo

All I’d do is stand there and hope to draw a walk. Cairo actively swings to get himself out

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they throw too fast for me

the fastest I’ve ever been able to hit is 85 and that’s weak shit in the bigs so…

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Show off

I think Hoffman’s “heater” is down to that speed now though, so I guess you could potentially make him blow another save.

by Fin on May 9, 2008 1:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm
Sexson admitted the way the Mariners have been struggling on offense, and the fact he missed Wednesday night’s game to be with his child, who was taken to Children’s Hospital, probably had something to do with his reaction to the pitch

Some explanation for Richie’s actions perhaps?

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert

by Goose on May 9, 2008 8:02 AM PDT   0 recs

The child (I don't know gender) is at the Children's Hosiptal.

That can’t be good. I don’t think anyone has said in the media what he/she is going through, but I really wish their family the best.

by Jed MC on May 9, 2008 8:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Baseball Brawls

while I agree that they don’t have the immediate impact that a hockey fight would, I do think there is something to them that lifts a team in a different way, especially a struggling team. The thing with brawls like last night is not the emotional lift the team gets, but rather the change in thought patterns that happen for the next game. Baseball is played upon concentration, focusing on your job and not dwelling on the struggles. When a brawl happens for a team in a funk, the impact happens after the game and the next day. You aren’t swamped with questions of your struggles and what you can do “right the ship”, you’re given a mental break because the majority of questions will be about the fight, the impact of the fight, the impending suspensions and so forth.

The problem is they don’t help long term and you can’t brawl every few days. So usually its just a short term thing where the team comes out a little more relaxed in regards to their struggles… but then the talent will again take over and the struggles will come back.

Remember just a few years ago down in Texas, when the team was struggling and Raul when batshit at the homeplate umpire… the team then rolled off a couple wins. It gives you an emotional break when something like that happens.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on May 9, 2008 8:34 AM PDT   0 recs

...but we have the talent

I dont know how much I agree or disagree with your bench clearing brawl argument, however I do believe that for a astruggling team that is already on a one way trip to sucksville. The problem, I believe is that we arent missing the talent, we just have a bad combination of things facing us right now.

1) Cold bats
2) really bad luck in general… nothing goes our way. lets face it, baseball has a lot of luck involved, its just a fact (IMO,lol).
3) Our manager has no passionate temper (Lou)—i think this drives teams to fight for a win, not just hope for one.

im sure others can list much better reasons

by SeattleReign on May 9, 2008 8:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

1. Poor roster construction leads us to have utter offensive black holes – Richie, Kenji, Vidro, Wilkerson. Yuni and Loafie aren’t great either. Wlad and Clement will be good, but up to this point they haven’t been.
2. Bad defense. Bad, bad defense. Beltre, Ichiro and Wlad are all good, Kenji and Loafie are ~average, Yuni is below average and Raul and Richie are just terrible.
3. No hitting off the bench. Anytime the words “pinch hit” and “WFB” are used in the same sentence, it had better be “WFB is being pinch hit for,” not the other way around
4. Bullpen mismanagement and subsequent implosion. No Sherrill, so Potatoes was forced to open the year as the LOOGY, but when his FB control deserted him, he punched himself what’s probably a one-way ticket to the minors.

Basically, we suck in every phase of the game except the starting rotation. We’ve been unlucky, but even if we were getting lucky we’d still be a ~.500 team.

by seattlebruin on May 9, 2008 9:09 AM PDT