I Was Wondering When It Would Come To This
The thread below inspired me to take a closer look at Yuniesky Betancourt to see just how much he's actually contributing to this team. For a while we've been assuming that he's a pretty average bat for a shortstop with above-average defense, but how does this stand up to investigation? I decided to avoid work for half an hour to find out.
Let me tell you - it doesn't stand up very well.
When he first came up to the big leagues, Yuni wowed us with his defense, and when the advanced metrics didn't support our opinions we wrote it off as a sample size anomaly. But here's the problem with maintaining that stance: Yuni has more than 3000 innings under his belt now as a Major League shortstop, and the advanced metrics still don't like him very much. Here are the big three to which I have the easiest access:
RZR, 2005-2008
Yuni: .802, 37 OOZ per 1000 innings
Average SS: .821, 41 OOZ per 1000 innings
PMR, 2005-2007
Yuni: 462 outs per 4000 in play, .115 DER
Average SS: 459 outs per 4000 in play, .115 DER
UZR, 2005-2007
Yuni: -5 runs per 150 games
Average SS: 0 runs per 150 games (duh)
That's bad. The numbers are painting the picture of a guy who's something like -10 < x < 0 runs in the field, relative to his position, and both the agreement and sample size are good enough for us to be able to say this with a fair bit of confidence. I think a lot of us have been giving this some thought for a little while now, what with Yuni's added weight and visibly diminished range, but when you actually spell it out and put it in plain writing...it's a bit of a shock to realize that the thing you appreciated most about a player doesn't exist, and arguably never did.
So that's his defense. What about at the plate? Let's go with wOBA :
Yuni: .303 (career)
Average SS: .316 (2005-2008)
To convert wOBA into runs, you simply divide by 1.15, which gives you runs/PA. Over 600 plate appearances, wOBA puts Yuni at 7 runs below the average shortstop.
But then, wOBA isn't park-adjusted. If you prefer something that is, you can look at Baseball Prospectus' EqA (or you can convert wOBA yourself but let's just keep this simple):
Yuni: .241, 61 EqR per 600 PA (career)
Average SS: .253, 67 EqR per 600 PA (2005-2008)
That's not much better. Depending on what you think of the statistics and how you adjust for Safeco, Yuni again comes out as being -10 < x < 0 runs below the average shortstop, this time with the bat. Which - ignoring baserunning and other minor stuff that generally doesn't make much of a difference either way - gives you a guy who's somewhere between 0 and 20 runs below average for his position per season.
That isn't good. Which means Yuniesky Betancourt isn't good. The fact that he's a shortstop making a paltry $1.25m this year makes him a reasonable value, but for all his enthusiasm and contact and hilarious arm positioning when he's running the bases, he just isn't a good player.
And that's lame.
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That is lame.
Because he’s a blast to watch when he’s not frustrating the hell out of you.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
May 8, 2008 1:13 PM PDT
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Realistically
who could we get to replace him and give us better results?
by BrianL on
May 8, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
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Yuni isn't killing us, he just isn't very good
this team has way bigger issues to address.
by Jeff on
May 8, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
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All of our washed up 1B/DH/RF type players?
by BrianL on
May 8, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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All of our washed up 1B/DH/RF type players?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 8, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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He's a mediocre shortstop.
Trade him to Toronto! They love mediocre shortstops.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
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May 8, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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But theirs can field
I’m this close to advocating a straight-up Yuni/McDonald swap.
You see how far above average Toronto’s team D is? You see how far below average ours is?
Felix deserves to pitch in front of a great defense. At least one year in his career.
I’m hopeful, though by no means certain, that the M’s can arrange that; it’ll take a few years at the minimum now.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 1:47 PM PDT
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It's all relative
in 2008, Yuni has an RZR of .792 with 6 out of zone plays.
in 2008, Eckstein has an RZR of .875 with 10 out of zone plays.
so if Eckstein can’t field….
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT
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And Eckstein doesn't play every day.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
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May 8, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
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OSWALDO!!!!
Um. Or not.
Mike Morse
Oh, wait.
FREE WILLIE!!!!
Okay, I’ll stop.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on
May 8, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
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I've tried not to think about this much, but it's hard not to think that a .710 OPS bat with mediocre D might be hurting you...
Very, very lame.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on
May 8, 2008 1:17 PM PDT
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Call up Triunfel!!
Just kidding, just kidding..
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
May 8, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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When the scouts, or people like me, bemoan the reliability
of defensive metrics, this is the best counter-example going.
There’s never been a player who has garnered such universal acclaim amongst scouts (at least on the defensive side).
I’d still argue that the guy we saw in 2005 is just not the same guy we’re seeing now. He’s lost more than a step, and it’s painfully obvious now. This may be a case where averaging 3 years of data makes him look better than he actually is.
Sad.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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Me, too.
Yuni in T-Town >>>>>> Yuni in Seattle…
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by PositivePaul on
May 8, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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My favourite part of going to games in 2005 was watching Yuni take ground balls
The man moved like a cat.
by Graham on
May 8, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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above/below avgerage
I’ve always wondered how close to a normal distribution we get in talent at a position like SS. Looking at PMR, in 2007, there were 13 SS above the mean and 26 below.
It’s evident that Betancourt is not a good player, but simply by holding such a difficult to fill position at an acceptable level without absorbing much of the team’s salary, that’s a fairly significant contribution. I would also guess that, when taken as a whole, his net contribution is about the median.
by MrIncognito on
May 8, 2008 1:47 PM PDT
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His defense looks far worse now than it did just last year and the years prior.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 8, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
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I don't know
LAST year was the big eye-opener for me. Forget the errors, he just stopped getting to balls last year. I hoped, fervently, that this would regress to the mean, or that it was impossible to get to balls given up by Horacio and Reefer Jaw.
I guess that wasn’t it.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
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Still looks worse this year.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 8, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
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That sounds like you could be describing Lopez too.
Most of the rest are just not good.
by Jed MC on
May 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT
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though with the position adjustment, it's daaaamn close
on paper, Lopez is a + defender, I think, which means it’s a toss-up.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
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Lopez is a 0 < x < 5 defender max.
I think it looks like gets to a lot of balls, but doesn’t always catch the ball. That ball before the Bautista/Baek implosion the other day represents Lopez’ play in my head. He got there, but missed the ball.
by Jed MC on
May 8, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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That came across a little stronger than I meant.
I don’t know enough about baseball to make that solid a claim. He LOOKS like a 0 < x < 5 defender to my lay-eyes.
by Jed MC on
May 8, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
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That's what we had thought about Yuni too
And that was wrong
In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.
by rlintott on
May 8, 2008 2:54 PM PDT
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But the stats actually back it up for Lopez
Yes, he’s a 0
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 2:57 PM PDT
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Boo.
Someone needs to make a “Last Fan of Yuniesky Betancourt” screen name.
Or not. I still like him, but I feel like he’s let me down of late. And when his defense was better, it was nice to feel like he was helping the team.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 8, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
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You can still like a player who isn't very good.
Unless it’s Mike Morse. That’s not allowed.
by Jeff on
May 8, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
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I like Baek too.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 8, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
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It's been too long since I've gotten to use this.

by BrianL on
May 8, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
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Amen!
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by PositivePaul on
May 8, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
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Hater!
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by PositivePaul on
May 8, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
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A few winters ago Dave Cameron said that we'd be surprised
by what the offers the Mariners were getting for Yuni. I wonder what those were.
by JI on
May 8, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
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yeeeeesh that's bad
good thing he’s reasonably priced.
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by pdb on
May 8, 2008 1:54 PM PDT
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I can't wait until we buy out his arb years and let Felix walk.
by JI on
May 8, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
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His arb years were bought out last April
He’s on a 4 year deal (through 2011) with a club option for 2012.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
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Hell if I know.
I guess.
My original sentiment is still hilarious though.
by JI on
May 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT
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Speaking of,
Isn’t it about time that the rumored Felix deal gets done? That would make the M’s recent shittiness easier to endure.
by Teej on
May 8, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
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Yeah they're still dicking around on that
by Jeff on
May 8, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
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It's going to hilarious when he signs with the Angels.
by JI on
May 8, 2008 2:24 PM PDT
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Eh, I'm getting more of a New York / Boston signing vibe.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
May 8, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
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SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
only we may talk about this, and then only in jest
by JI on
May 8, 2008 2:27 PM PDT
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Incorrect.
Every time we play the Yankees and Felix is pitching, they bring up the same stories over and over about how he liked the M’s because they weren’t a “big” team, and it seemed like they cared about him, not just the team. I don’t think that = him going to a big market team.
Now, when the Orioles get new ownership…
by Faux on
May 8, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
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I straight up asked him once
And he laughed and said he signed with Seattle for a reason
by Robert on
May 8, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
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Maybe he'll realize this extra muscle thing isn't working
and slim down for next year. And figure out how to hit.
by r0ry on
May 8, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
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I'm not really sure how much of this is reversible
I’m guessing “very little”.
by Jeff on
May 8, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
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And I'm not so sure it's muscle, either.
It looks like he’s just getting chubby.
by Teej on
May 8, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
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Well regardless
Felix has proved that that can be taken care of as well.
by r0ry on
May 8, 2008 2:07 PM PDT
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Yuni's not fat; Yuni's just fluffy!

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by PositivePaul on
May 8, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
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Yeah, sure.
“Muscle.” Right.
...and now I'm here
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May 8, 2008 2:00 PM PDT
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I know it's been said in one way or the other in this thread already
but you can’t undervalue low-priced average (or near average) production. Average is still well above replacement level. I wouldn’t call Yuni not-good. He’s just not great, which is what many had thought previously. Still having an ~average SS for the $1-2 mil or whatever he’s getting a year is a good thing. It allows a team to allocate its money to get excellent players at other positions, although it’s arguable whether the mariners have done this. The only time having average players is bad is when the whole roster is average, and not complemented by superstars (See: Toronto Blue Jays).
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
May 8, 2008 2:25 PM PDT
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Right, he is valuable
but I’d say ~average is his best possible scenario right now. The likelihood is that he’s a little below that.
He’s not good. He’s a value to have, but he’s not good.
by Jeff on
May 8, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
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Yeah
and it’s worth remembering that he’s bringing in close to $3.5m. This isn’t an MLB-minimum sort of a deal, people.
Still, he’s not killing the team, the contract’s not bad, etc. But we’re paying, per year, the free agent market rate on this guy (if $4m/win is ave. for FA, then I’d say his $3.5/a bit below is in the ballpark). That’s fine, it’s not awful. But when you’ve got young players in arb or in buy-outs, THAT’S where you’ve got to be making up ground – it’s not OK to get free-agent equivalent production from guys like that. It’s not crippling, but it’s frustrating.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 2:30 PM PDT
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avg and replacement value are different
So he’s still a good value at $3.5 mil.
by MrIncognito on
May 8, 2008 2:39 PM PDT
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I don't get how the subject and the body of this message connect
Right, he’s below average and above replacement. He’s getting paid roughly what a FA with his production would give you. So… how’s he a good value?
My point is that tying up these arb or pre-arb guys is generally a way to get GUARANTEED value. Given the system, any arb guys you tie up should be average or hopefully a bit better. That’s why it’s just a bit disappointing to see his production drop a bit below average, and the dollars creep up.
by marc w on
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The math
http://ussmariner.com/2008/02/14/2008-win-values/
The value of a player on the free agent market is wins above replacement, not wins above average.
Lopez is 1-2 wins above replacement, so his value is in the neighborhood of $4.4-$8.8 million (Dave’s number at UUSM was $7.5 million). At a $3.5 million salary, he’s proving the Mariners with enough excess value to go buy a win somewhere else.
by MrIncognito on
May 8, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
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Wait, are we talking about Lopez or Yuni?
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
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Blah, I meant Yuni
They all look the same anyways.
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May 8, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
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Averaging his $13.75/4 deal.
Jeff’s got the breakdown below, but I was just wingin’ it.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
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His contract escalates (as you'd expect)
08: $1.25m
09: $2m
10: $3m
11: $4m
12: $6m option or $2m buyout
by Jeff on
May 8, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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I smart org would trade him this offseason.
by JI on
May 8, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
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would really only work if we got a SS back
and those types of deals rarely happen.
Yuni will likely remain a value through 2010, if not for the full contract.
Trade him if you have someone to step in, but otherwise, motivate him to get better.
by Matthew on
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Well yeah
on the other hand, when you have a player who’s perceived value greatly outweighs his actual value you should be looking to take advantage of that situation. I don’t know whether there are any decent one year fill ins on the FA market or if there’s a long term SS out there that makes sense, but it’s something a good organization would explore.
by JI on
May 8, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
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Hmmm.
Any cheap options we could pick up at SS during the FA period that would be ~ $3 million on a 1-3 year deal and comparable to Yuni?
The way I see it, you flip him + talent for a decent young LHB at a corner OF position, sign this Mystery Free Agent SS (think Julio Lougo-ish), and you come out ahead.
by eponymous_coward on
May 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT
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Er, Lugo
important thing: he can’t completely suck ala Aurilia, but he can be just OK because he’s cheap but not very good like Yuni.
by eponymous_coward on
May 8, 2008 3:19 PM PDT
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or when you are paying premuim FA $ for them
also see: Blue Jays, Toronto
by JI on
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Oh and I should add
Good post, Jeff. This is why we have that rec button.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
May 8, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
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I'm gonna blame last night's game on JeffS...glad to see the real Jeff is back.
Stupid evil, alternate-dimension twins.
by SethGrandpa on
May 8, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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JeffS isn't evil.
He’s the pedophile twin who lusts after Anne Frank.
by BrianL on
May 8, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
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JeffS lusts after Anne Frank circa Holocaust.
by BrianL on
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JeffS is a necrophiliac?
by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on
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If it's Anne Frank he's after...
...then he’s a necrophiliac pedophile.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on
May 8, 2008 3:10 PM PDT
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but it could also be assumed he's anti-Nazi
so there’s that.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
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as would skoorbo.
man, you were doing so well, too. We need one of those construction safety signs:
“JI’s Posts: (x) days without a typo”
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
May 8, 2008 3:18 PM PDT
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technically this is poor spelling and not a typo
by JI on
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tomato/tomahto
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by pdb on
May 8, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
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You actually thought he was Skrobo?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
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Finally! Someone not only notices the elephant in the corner of the room...
the person goes and touches the elephant to make sure.
Yuni has been able to get away with his antics because the other 8 guys in the lineup and the field keep raising the bar of sucktitude.
by Wilder. on
May 8, 2008 2:38 PM PDT
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Don't touch my elephant.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on
May 8, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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no means no, mr. elephant toucher
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by pdb on
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I'm Sorry to do this
But I am trying my damndest to talk and think in these new and better stats. Yet, I don’t understand the idea behind wOBA. How do I interpret the run values of an event. For instance, the claim that a HR = 1.7… Does that mean that if I hit 10 HR I should (theoretically) have 17 runs? That would make sense, but I have trouble believing that 10 NIBB would equal ~6 Runs… Am I doing this all wrong?
I mean, the wOBA number and it’s application is easy to understand, but since I’m trying so hard to get this stuff, I’d like to get the numbers behind it. Hope this isn’t too annoying…
In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.
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This is quite complicated.
This first thing to consider is that there are many different states a baseball inning can be in, defined by the number of outs and which bases are occupied (so stuff like 2nd, 0 out, etc) . There end up being 15 of these game states, if I recall correctly.
Now what we do is say for each of these states, how many runs are scored on average between that state and the end of the inning. So bases empty with 2 down won’t give you a very high number, but bases loaded no outs is about 2. This is called run expectancy, and combining that with game states gives you a run expectancy matrix.
Now you can measure the run value of events, by averaging out the change in game state and therefore run expectancy. Say a batter comes up to the plate with the bases loaded and one out, and hits a double which pates 3 guys. The run value of that individual hit would be 3 (the number of runs driven in) + (run value [2nd, 1 out] – run value [loaded, 1 out])). That last term is going to work out as a negative number in this case.
So now we’ve seen how to get run values for an individual hit, you can sum up all the run values for every HR that has happened in the past 5 years and then take the average. Voila, 1.7 runs.
Sorry if that’s a little unclear, I’m a wee bit buzzed.
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15 is probably something to do with concrete then
My brain is really sore.
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15 may also be your fingers slipping from 2 and 4 to 1 and 5
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25 or 6 to 4.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
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That makes sense
But I am still unclear on one thing. Does this mean that your average walk is worth .62 runs?
In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.
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Is there a place where I can see all fielders ranked by RZR?
I just want to know on a position by position basis who the best fielders are and trying to find a website that has that info is killing me. Seriously, it gave me cancer.
by DAMellen on
May 8, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
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And here's a link
to one of the best cancer centers in the country, which should help rid you of that pesky cancer.
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There is a cure for cancer.
The FDA won’t approve of it because there is too much damn money in cancer research as well as in other cancer treatments… which only work a percentage of the time.
Makio Murayama is the man with the cure (he may be dead now; 93-years old in 2003 when I frequented his home) and he found the cure for Sickle Cell Anemia back a few decades ago, which also happens to still get plenty of research funds for some reason.
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Why didn't he get off his ass
and cure AIDS while he was at it? Prejudice?
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There might be a cure for AIDS.
You just won’t ever hear of it.
by Wilder. on
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My uncle worked on a team that was developing a drug
To treat leukemia. It ended up being a cure and never went to market.
by Sec 108 on
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I'm just going to stop lest I end up
repeating myself multiple times.
by Matthew on
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Damnit Matthew!
The whole reason I spewed that BS was because your response was making me laugh.
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Much like Mike Morse
I dropped the ball
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A little sore.
I’m sure if it wasn’t I could get hit .350 though
by Matthew on
May 8, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
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You could get hit .350?
like 35% HBPs for the season?
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 3:57 PM PDT
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it's just not the same.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
May 8, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
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Your grandmother's piano teaching was substandard
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by pdb on
May 8, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
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She hated Catholics.
Only the Mormon kids got the Class A lessons.
by Sec 108 on
May 8, 2008 4:04 PM PDT
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There's a cure for chronic shoulder tendonitis
by eponymous_coward on
May 8, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
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Amputation cures everything
Head amputation
by Graham on
May 8, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
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Drink more
that was far too coherent. You’re slacking off, sir.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
May 8, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
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Having me be drunk all the time would deprive everyone of tRA and idiot flaming services
by Graham on
May 8, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
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I think you'd be more hilarious at flaming idiots drunk
but we would miss the tRA.
by eponymous_coward on
May 8, 2008 4:04 PM PDT
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switching hands relieves the tension on the shoulder
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
May 8, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
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Mike Morse doesn't drop the ball
that implies he has to get close enough to catch it.
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
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Can anybody develop a cure for Bavasi, Armstrong, and Lincoln?
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on
May 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
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There is one.
Ever hear of kidnapping? Recently approved for incompetent executives
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
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Dead meme.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on
May 8, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
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I 34.4% believe that.
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by pdb on
May 8, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
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The toppings contain potasium benzoate.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on
May 8, 2008 4:02 PM PDT
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*potassium
dammit.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on
May 8, 2008 4:02 PM PDT
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That's bad.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on
May 8, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
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I 010% Beleive Tihs.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on
May 8, 2008 5:49 PM PDT
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Sickle Cell
Is caused by a genetic mutation. In order to cure it, you would have to rewrite the patient’s genetic code. That’s not going to happen any time soon.
It’s currently treatable.
Wikipedia breaks it down pretty well, as usual.
Contrary to what conspiracy theorists like to think, the FDA only controls the US Drug market. There are dozens of regulatory bodies that are happy to look at drugs rejected in the US, so it’s not like the FDA could kill a cure for cancer, even if it wanted to.
by MrIncognito on
May 8, 2008 3:43 PM PDT
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(Ducks as people stray towards the politics line)
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
May 8, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
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Okay, there is not a "cure" in the sense it can't be prevented.
But people born with Sickle Cell can have it treated. Therefore, for individuals there is a cure.
Oh, and I should say I did go a little far with the FDA. The National Cancer Institute wouldn’t allow a cheap, 100% treatable cure for all cancers to make it to the FDA level for approval.
by Wilder. on
May 8, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
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The current treatment runs about $25 bucks a month
I don’t know why they would allow that cheap treatment on the market but not the crazy Japanese man’s.
last post on this issue
by MrIncognito on
May 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
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I finally found what I was looking for.
I am not sure of the $25/month treatment you are talking about, but the “crazy Japanese man’s” treatment is the Hoxsey formula. But this treatment has been widely considered as “folk medicine” because it only works in rare cases. Well, Murayama added the “cure” for Sickle Cell Anemia, urea, to the Hoxsey formula and now the treatment works every time. And it only takes 3-4 weeks drinking the formula to cure the cancer.
Makio explained to me that the urea allowed the Hoxsey formula to penetrate into the cancerous cells and destroy them. Without urea, the Hoxsey formula struggles to pass through cancerous cells’ layers (I don’t know the names of which layers). This is why the Hoxsey formula only works in rare cases.
Makio cured himself twice with this treatment (many years apart) and many other patients of his with various different types of cancers. ALL of them were cured, but he eventually was forced out of cancer research by his peers and has received countless death threats over the years.
It’s just the way it is. Call it conspiracy theory, but this theory is actually proven… you just won’t ever read about it from a “trusted” source.
by Wilder. on
May 8, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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[Insert anticipated statement here]
Also, Hydroxyurea != Urea
by Matthew on
May 8, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
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So the secret is adding biological waste
to a ‘treatment’ universally regarded as a fraud? And then it works?
altogether now, I 100% believe this.
by marc w on
May 8, 2008 4:24 PM PDT
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Sounds like an excuse to piss on someone if you ask me
by Graham on
May 8, 2008 4:26 PM PDT
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No judge, I wasn't engaging in illegal acts with those 14 year olds
I was curing them of Hodgkin’s!
by Matthew on
May 8, 2008 4:27 PM PDT
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Who needs an excuse?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on
May 8, 2008 4:27 PM PDT
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It's a treatment that's been through wars
I don’t need your data or nerdspeak to nerd up my cure for cancer. It’s natural, so it must be good for you!
by MrIncognito on
May 8, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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There is always urea in your system
It’s a product of normal metabolism. Measuring urea levels is a standard lab test (blood urea nitrogen or BUN). In fact, there’s enough floating around your bloodstream that it would be completely pointless to take more.
There is still a Hoxsey center in Mexico. You can go there yourself and get treated for only $3,500.
Hoxsey Clinic
Bio-Medical center
PO Box 727
615 General Ferreira, Colonia Juarez
Tijuana, B.C. Mexico
Telephone: (011) 52-66-84-90-11
by MrIncognito on
May 8, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
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There's mercury in your system, too.
But people are not dying all over the place because the amount floating around our systems is not fatal.
Urea is in our system as well, but there is not an amount great enough to allow the Hoxsey formula to work properly.
Get it. Got it. Good.
by Wilder. on
May 9, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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There is one.
Ever heard of kidnapping? Recently FDA approved for bad executives.
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 3:54 PM PDT
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So...
according to this, Eric Byrnes is the most valuable defensive player in baseball followed by Rick Ankiel? That’s a surprise. I knew Byrnes was a solid player, but that seems really high and I had no idea that Rick Ankiel was anywhere near that.
by DAMellen on
May 8, 2008 8:23 PM PDT
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Out Of Zone (OOZ) plays are also important to take into consideration
but more than anything else, realize that 1+ month is way too small a sample from which to derive any sort of conclusions about a player’s defensive ability. You need a few years.
by Jeff on
May 8, 2008 11:55 PM PDT
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I still don't trust individual defensive metrics enough to make any claim on Yuni
being above or below average. I’m just going to call him average and leave it at there. I had small hopes for hit bat though, thats what I’m disappointed in.
by Matthew on
May 8, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
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Agreed
He’s not good but definitely not holding this team back.
by Edgar for Pres on
May 8, 2008 5:54 PM PDT
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Apparently Armstrong was on KJR earlier
Courtesey of USSMariner
Armstrong Comments -
"Advanced tickets sales, season tickets, and suites are all up this year. Weather has definately played a roll in the attendance dropping."
"Our team is clearly better than we are playing. The team picked to win the AL this year by many, the Detroit Tigers, is well below .500 and not playing well."
"We are trying to build the brand so when people come to the park they have a good Safeco Field experience. We are trying to cater to women and children."
"I think Bill Bavasi has done an outstanding job. During the Piniella years, I love Pinella, but he would not play young guys. Bavasi has built up our minor league system."
"We are in the 14th biggest market. Really 18th biggest market. Yet we have the 6th highest payroll."
"Bill Bavasi’s job is completely safe."
"Mac has done a good job."
There are the main points.
Holy crap
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May 8, 2008 3:26 PM PDT
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None of this is surprising or aggravating
unless you’ve never heard Chuck Armstrong speak before, in which case I’ll give you “surprising”. This is the Mariner Party Line, and will be until Chuck retires.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
May 8, 2008 3:30 PM PDT
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I have never really heard his comments before
So is he that dumb/blind or just out there to talk a bunch of gibberish? Because, yes, that did surprise me.
by nwtrev on
May 8, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
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Neither dumb nor blind
he 100% believes that the Mariners are on the right track, and will continue to do things exactly as he has done in the past. This is the problem with these Mariners.
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by pdb on
May 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT
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Nope.
You’re giving these guys WAY too much credit for being honest. Baseball executives spin worse than politicians. Basically, this is public posturing. See my post below.
by eponymous_coward on
May 8, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
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"Our team is clearly better than we are playing." This is sort of true.
What Armstrong has failed to realize yet is that his team is basically a .500 + OR -.050, and that because of the slow start, bet on the -.
by eponymous_coward on
May 8, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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Also, none of this means jack shit.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040505&slug=melvin05
Lincoln did his own evaluation, joining the club on its last road trip to Texas, Baltimore and Detroit. The team struggled to a 3-6 record, but Lincoln said he came away impressed with the team’s attitude and effort.“One thing very apparent to me, from the trip I took with the team, is that (the struggles) are not for want of trying,” Lincoln said. “Or some chemistry problem in the clubhouse, because there is not. I particularly admire the way Bob Melvin has handled our players. He’s remained positive and upbeat. He has the respect of the players.
“We could certainly have waited until the end of the season, but we thought it was the right thing to do now.”
They blew up the team a little over a month later, and fired the guy whose contract they extended in May. You remember the Iraqi Minister of Information? He’d make a hell of a baseball executive.
I would like to say that the rumors that the Mariners are in last place are complete lies.

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May 8, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
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But Yuni is a magician out there on the field.
A magician I tell you….
At least that’s what the commercial says.
At this point, unless Yuni completely falls off the table defensively, there is going to be a general consensus among casual observers and the FO that thinks Yuni is an amazing shortstop. Not that this is a massive problem or anything mind you but as long as Yuni does a serviceable job at SS he’s going to continue flying under the radar. And as a 9-hole hitter not much will be expected from him offensively.
But yea, that’s too bad. It’s fun to pull for Yuni but he’s certainly replaceable it it ever comes down to it.
by ThundaPC on
May 8, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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This is like finding out Santa isn't real
You suspect it for a while then someone tells you for a fact and it’s devastating(sp?)
by WCLittleGiant on
May 8, 2008 3:34 PM PDT
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If you used Firefox you could tell if that word was spelled correctly or not (it is).
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on
May 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
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FF spellcheck is a wonderful gift upon mankind.
I wish it worked in the post headings.
by Matthew on
May 8, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
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From funny to meme to dead meme in 19 minutes
This place is going to strain my creativity.
by Matthew on
May 8, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
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Phildopip = Piniella
Refuses to give the young memes a chance.
by Alex B on
May 8, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
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Well don't worry, someday veteran memes like Home Team Rules!
will fall off a cliff like Bret Boone and we’ll have to give new memes a chance
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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That is, assuming we haven't traded our meme farm for the "left-handed sock" meme
by Alex B on
May 8, 2008 4:15 PM PDT
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Thankfully LL has Jeff as the GM instead of Gillick/Bavasi
so there will no panic meme-trades.
God forbid we would ever trade “John Olerud sucks” and “Home team rules” and Corco-bombing to HH for “Panther”
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May 8, 2008 4:17 PM PDT
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I just hope that Jeff doesn't throw it all away
For some high-risk, toolsy House memes of questionable age.
by Alex B on
May 8, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
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Well we were able to sign "It's never lupus" for a pretty good deal
and it shows some promise.
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 4:24 PM PDT
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That's true but demand is driving up the price of House memes
We need to look to the international draftee market.
by Alex B on
May 8, 2008 4:29 PM PDT
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Yup, gotta start scouting those Korean dramas
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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I think we should hit up the Japanese meme market.
There’s some real talent to be had there.
by BrianL on
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I agree
Need to watch out for age-gate with the international market though. There’d be nothing worse than signing a meme only to find that it’s already dead.
by Alex B on
May 8, 2008 4:44 PM PDT
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Not such a problem with the Asian markets
what with the explosion of the interwebs and such.
Rural memes from Africa? Those might be a bigger problem, and I’m sure we’re going to have a few get over here and turn out to be much deader than anticipated
by seattlebruin on
May 8, 2008 4:45 PM PDT
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Or... You know... Better than it does.
That’d be nice too.
...and now I'm here
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