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Where the Mariners Came From

Draft

Jeff Clement (2005)
Brandon Morrow (2006)
J.J. Putz (1999)
Mark Lowe (2004)
Willie Bloomquist (1999)

Trade

Erik Bedard (2008)
Sean Green (2005)
Jose Vidro (2007)

Free Agency

Richie Sexson (2005)
Adrian Beltre (2005)
Raul Ibanez (2004)
Carlos Silva (2008)
Jarrod Washburn (2006)
Miguel Batista (2007)
Arthur Rhodes (2007)
Jamie Burke (2007)
Miguel Cairo (2008)

International Free Agency

Kenji Johjima (2006)
Ichiro Suzuki (2001)
Ryan Rowland-Smith (2001)
Yuniesky Betancourt (2005)
Jose Lopez (2001)
Wladimir Balentien (2001)
Felix Hernandez (2003)
Cha Seung Baek (1999)

Star-divide

Assets to the team in 2008 (contract factors):

Johjima, Lopez, Yuni, Beltre, Ibanez (for his bat), Ichiro, Wlad, Clement, Felix, Bedard, Putz, Green, Lowe, Morrow, Rhodes, Rowland-Smith

Draft: (4/5)
Trade: (2/3)
FA: (3/9)
IFA: (7/8)

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The Sean Green trade.....

I don’t remember this one….

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 8, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah.

Taylor was that big kid that bounced around here for a while, but never found a spot to stick.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 8, 2008 1:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"reply" helps.

I’m a moron sometimes. It’s the midgets that cause it.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 8, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They don't even want the Vietnamese on their side.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 8, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've tried everything from steaming to deep frying,

but it always ends up the same.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 8, 2008 2:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Try the crock-pot

it’s really more of an all-day stew sort of thing.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 8, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a great idea.

Everything tastes better with a good simmer on it.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 8, 2008 4:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you know

that a disproportionate amount of midgets or rather dwarves kill themselves?

by Scrupio on May 8, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No worries

It was just a reference to the movie “In Bruges” which Llewdor was also referencing.

by Scrupio on May 8, 2008 5:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

I know they’d never can Bavasi during the season, especially before the draft, but honestly those of you who are concerned about losing Fontaine need to pay a little more attention. Yes, Fontaine has brought us better players using the draft than his predecessors. Hard not to improve from the zeros HIS predecessors gave us, though.

Fontaine is somewhat replaceable, but the message that’s perhaps missing is that a metric ton of our GOOD players - our BEST players - have come from the International scene.

That’s Bob Engle’s shop.

With Triunfel at the top of our remaining prospect list, that trend can and will continue.

I’ll acknowledge that Fontaine has brought some good players in lately (and two of the bigger pieces of the Bedard deal were also his guys)—but even right after the 2006 draft (and MORESO now that the Org has crapped on how he’s been developed), I thought Fontaine f’d up on the Morrow pick. Yeah, yeah, he wouldn’t’ve had Howie’s blessing to grab Miller (who actually is struggling a bit with FLA). Still, it was his call of Morrow over Lincecum and/or any number of other players who were worthy of a top-5 pick. Mangini is another questionable pick. He’s not a saint by any means.

I’m not saying we should dump Fontaine - not at all. He’s a good scouting director, and a great draft guy. But we also need to recognize that another guy in the organization has actually been MORE important to the farm system than Fontaine. If a side effect of losing Bavasi is losing Fontaine, that shouldn’t be something to be too horribly concerned about. There are many competent folks who can manage a draft, and the M’s have actually done a pretty good job of building their MLB-matriculating farm system without relying 100% on the draft - and they can continue to do so, even if they hire a low-VORSD (Value Over Replacement Scouting Director) to replace Fontaine, they’ll still be OK.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 8, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mathew you are wrong

The vast majority of mariners come from a hole filled with stinky poo

by InSpokane on May 8, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It funny cause it's true...

God I hate going to school in this town.

by SethGrandpa on May 8, 2008 2:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I miss my days in Spokane....

Great drinking town
The Chinese downhill -riding a bike down Division St and getting a beer at 6 Chinese resturants (all on one street and in less than a mile an half stretch)
-Around the World at Hucleberries takes proper budgeting and persistence.
Tanker beers (full gallon) at Flaming Joes in the valley. ($12.50 for Pabst)
-The Elk Cool place/good beer selection
The Viking Awesome place awesome beer selection.
-Skipping class and getting drunk in the AM at Jack and Dans.

by coasty141 on May 8, 2008 5:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh.

Looks as though that Standard Free Agent route sucks donkey balls. What a coinkidink.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 8, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome to the realization

that the way baseball handles contracts, free agency usually occurs AFTER a career peak at age 27-28.

This puts you ahead of the Seattle Mariners front office.

by eponymous_coward on May 8, 2008 3:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would if his contract were still league min or near it

but he’s over twice the league min at this point so I don’t think he’s an asset even properly employed.

by Matthew on May 8, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess, but on the other hand, $925,000 or whatever he's making

isn’t exactly a kings ransom for a useful piece off the bench.

Did you have a formula for doing this, or did you just estimate?

by seattlebruin on May 8, 2008 4:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anybody else think that when (if?) teams finally figure out that free agency as a whole

isn’t an effective way to build a solid club that the price of free agents will eventually fall, and things like signing bonuses to draft picks will increase by a significant amount?

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on May 8, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's entirely possible

but first the old guard of GMs is going to have to retire and younger, stats based guys will have to take over. I’d sense that eventually, if FA prices fell, you’d see GMs eventually start FA bidding wars and such – I bet it would be cyclical if anything.

by seattlebruin on May 8, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

I think it’s the only sane way the market can go because of the fixed league minimums.

by Graham on May 8, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a sharp contrast(even though this is already getting buried)

Where the Diamondbacks Came From

Draft:
Chris Snyder(2002-2nd round)
Conor Jackson(2003-1st round)
Stephen Drew(2004-1st round)
Mark Reynolds(2004-16th round)
Justin Upton(2005-1st overall)
Robby Hammock(1998-23rd round)
Brandon Webb(2000-8th round)
Max Scherzer(2006-1st round)
Micah Owings(2005-3rd round)
Brandon Medders(2001-8th round)
Doug Slaten(2000-17th round)

Trade:
Orlando Hudson(2005 with Tits from Toronto for Troy Glaus and a throw in minor leaguer)
Chris B Young(2005 with El Duque and Luis Vizcaino from Chicago(AL) for Javier Vazquez)
Chris Burke/Chad Qualls(2007 with minor league pitcher from Houston for Jose Valverde)
Danny Haren(2007 with minor league throw in from Oakland for Carlos Gonzalez,Brett Anderson, ect)
Randy Johnson(2007 from New York(AL) for crap)
Doug Davis(2006 with Dana Eveland and throw in from Milwaukee for Greg Acquino,Johnny Estrada, and Claudio Vargas)
Juan Cruz(2006 from Oakland for Brad Halsey)
Brandon Lyon(2003 with Cassey Fossum and two throw ins from Boston for Curt Schilling)

Free Agency:
Eric Byrnes(2005)
Augie Ojeda(2006-NRI)

International Free Agency:
Miguel Montero(2001)
Edgar Gonzalez(2000)
Tony Pena(2002)

Other:
Jeff Salazar(2007-Claimed off waivers from Colorado)

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert

by Goose on May 9, 2008 3:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brandon Webb was an 8th round pick?

Sheesh. It’s like buying a lottery ticket and waiting 4-5 years to see if you’ve won.

by Wilder. on May 9, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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