Morrow --> Rotation?
by seattlesundevil on May 25, 2008 10:56 AM PDT
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Somewhat surprised that nobody has posted this anywhere on here, but, according to Baker, McLaren and Co. is starting to entertain the idea of moving Morrow ::gasp:: in to the rotation.
"We have thought about it,'' he said. "We haven't come to a conclusion yet, but that is a possibility.''
Morrow could either go back to Class AAA to begin the transition, or work out of Seattle's bullpen in the majors.
"There are a couple of schools of thought,'' McLaren said. "That he could be like Chamberlain and work on it here.''
I don't see why they would be throwing Morrow back to AAA in order to stretch him out when the team is in dire straits as it is.. Why not keep him at the major league level and let him work it out up here? What's the worst that can happen? (barring injury which would happen in AAA too if it's gonna happen) Morrow fails to go 5 innings? He loses? Yeaaa... what's new?
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You do what the T-Rats are doing with Aumont
You piggyback his 3-4 innings of work onto someone else’s starts… except who in our rotation can go 5-6 innings? Maybe Silva.
Then after a few successful runs, you put him in the rotation and get 5-6 innings out of him, and take it from there.
by Gomez on May 25, 2008 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they do this
It’s admission the season is over.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 25, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhhhhh
the season is over, at least in the “shot to make the postseason” sense.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 25, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh for chrissakes..
You, me, and everybody here knows that, but they haven’t admited it publicly yet. Morrow being turned into a starter would be a public admission of the season being over.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 25, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ICHIRO ADMITS THIS SEASON IS OVER
by giving up on fly balls and drinking SP Lager!
by Jordan of Boise on May 26, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro needs to drink SP Lager in the outfield. During games.
That would be awesome.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on May 26, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they aren't admitting this season is alrady over
then they are more stupid than I already think.
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is some evidence...
that major league innings are “more stressful” than minor league innings. So that’s a reason to prefer stretching it out in AAA as opposed to the big club. I would still plan to throw morrow ~50 pitches and then bring in Batista and let it roll from there.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on May 25, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's more stressful
in that, if you screw up in Tucson or Salt Lake City, nobody really knows or cares (hell, the local media in those towns won’t even notice). But if you screw up in the bigs, no matter what team you’re on, you’re likely to see your screw-ups on ESPN or FSN.
by Gomez on May 25, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares, nothing is expected of him.
ESPN/FSN has been showing Washburn/Batista/Silva get shelled for two weeks now. At least he can say this is my first time starting in the big leagues – all those guys are veterans who make tons of money.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, he has not been hyped up to be a savior like Kennedy/Hughes in NY were.
Throw the kid in there, lets see what he can do. This season is done with anyway.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and if he manages a couple innings of scoreless ball..
I don’t think they’ll hold a press conference and have clubhouse interviews on Sportscenter like another seemingly national Yankee favorite in Joba.
by seamariners85 on May 26, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
morrow in the starting role scares me.
not enough starting experience. this season is over. send him down. fire everyone.
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by sirbrianwilson on May 25, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Washburn/Batista/Silva in the starting role doesn't scare you? At least he can miss some fucking bats
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
morrow can miss bats for one or two innings...after that?
yikes.
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by sirbrianwilson on May 25, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know?
He has pitched 3 or more twice and let up no runs each time. I dont think he could perform any worse than our 4/5 pitchers have done the past two seasons.
If he pitched 5 innings and let up 6 runs it would be par for the course. He would have outpitched 2 of Bedard’s last 3 starts too. Haha.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so are you saying morrow > bedard?
c’mon. do you seriously think morrow joining our rotation now….while our season is over…is more advantageous than if he gained some AAA starting experience? give me a break…
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by sirbrianwilson on May 25, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think stretching him out at the Major League level
is more advantageous than AAA starting.. I would look forward to watching Morrow starts much moreso than Wash or Tits or Silva at this point
by seattlesundevil on May 25, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give you a break? Yeah, right.
Bedard is 1-3 with a 6.35 ERA in May. So yeah, Morrow probably is better than him right now since he is pitching like a complete asshole.
And yeah, of course him joining our rotation now when the season is over is more advantageous. He would be getting MLB innings, not AAA innings, infinitely more valuable.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morrow > Bedard?
Surely you’re not serious.
by Jeff on May 25, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That isn't what I'm saying.
I’m not suggesting he is better, but i’m pointing out that it isn’t as if Bedard is pitching anywhere close to “well” or “decent”.
I am saying there is nothing Morrow can do that can be considered disappointing since every member of the rotation already has that locked up.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"So yeah, Morrow probably is better than him right now"
by Jeff on May 25, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that remark was more to highlight the low downside of starting Morrow than to say he's actually better than Erik Bedard
even though he could have used better wording to make that point, obviously.
by Gomez on May 25, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to go, you can re-type what I wrote and take it completely out of context.
I already clarified what I meant. What more do you want me to say? Why even make that post?
I am not going to sit here and say Morrow is a better pitcher.
All I am saying is that it would not be hard for Morrow to perform better than Bedard has this month with 2 terrible starts. “If he pitched 5 innings and let up 6 runs it would be par for the course. He would have outpitched 2 of Bedard’s last 3 starts too. Haha.”
That is what I originally said. Just because some guy interpreted it as me saying “MORROW IS BETTER THAN BEDARD” doesn’t mean I said that. I am not sure when “Morrow is probably better right now” turned into “Morrow is a better overall pitching package, capable of outpitching Bedard over the course of an entire season.”
I said Morrow could outdo 2 ip 6 ER, and 4ip 9 ER. Really not much of a stretch to say that.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you'll be long for this blog if you keep doing these roll-your-eyes-at-the-admins posts.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 26, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol you are such a homer.
These guys, I am assuming, are grown men. We are all typing on a sports blog. They all can handle it and dish it out in turn. That is cool, and one of the things I like.
Even though it probably is appreciated, I don’t think any of them need you leaping to their defense, every one has been more than capable of justifying their position on things when I’ve called em out on it, which is one of the cool things about the blog.
You realize I can disagree with Jeff here, and still love all the work he puts into the blog?
Chill out.
by ASUBoyd on May 26, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, as grown men, you could just admit you said something stupid and move on.
by JI on May 26, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How asinine
That is like me writing:
Or, as grown men, you could just admit you stupidly misinterpreted what was said and move on.
Those are things Bill O’Reilly would say. The opposite is what you should be going for.
by ASUBoyd on May 26, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“So yeah, Morrow probably is better than him right now “
by JI on May 26, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, do me a favor and learn what a qualifier is.
There are two of them in there and they are pretty important. Kind of the difference between
“Morrow is better than him”
to
“Morrow is probably better than him right now”
This is also completely ignoring the fact it was all typed in jest – poking fun at how bad our rotation has been as a whole.
I’m done here.
by ASUBoyd on May 26, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things typed in jest should be funny
as per the definition of jest
by Jeff on May 26, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and the only two colors are black and white.
Totally subjective thing to comment on – this is getting pretty ticky-tacky.
You have typed in jest about how bad our rotation is many times. That doesn’t make it funny, it just means you aren’t being completely serious.
Obviously you read what I was writing differently than I intended it – whether through poor choice of words or misinterpretation – the semantics don’t matter because I have clarified what I meant. What more is there to write about this?
Whatever though, you can think what you want.
Bedard sucks, Morrow is the alpha and the omega. There you go.
by ASUBoyd on May 26, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sad ASUBoyd has been banned
this would have been a great flamewar.
by JI on May 26, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASUBoyd was like AK1984 with more flame wars.
seriously, those two guys would be best friends.
And this just goes to show – flame wars with mods are not your friends.
by seattlebruin on May 27, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dislike meta-flamewars
It’s a bunch of squabbling over what’s ultimately a red herring.
by Gomez on May 28, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also have seen Vidro do better than Ichiro occasionally too
Good thing we don’t put any meaning into that when it happens.
by Edgar for Pres on May 26, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not serious.
And don’t call him Shirley.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 25, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more sense arguing, it seems like the entire site is now agreeing the team needs to do this.
Via latest post on main page.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it damning...
...that these clowns didn’t come up with this idea on their own? That they had to have the xample of the Yankees and Chamberlain to give them cover to float this idea?
by rtang on May 25, 2008 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh..
It isn’t like it is some epiphany on the part of the Yankees..
Until the Bedard trade the Mariners were planning on shifting Morrow towards being a starter – they worked on stretching him out down in Venezuela.
by ASUBoyd on May 25, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, a savvy front office...
....would have kept this as an option no matter what happened during the season. No matter how good Morrow is as a reliver, you still want him stretched out and groomed to be a starter.
Right now it looks like desperate flailing.
by rtang on May 25, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
He can’t do any worse than anything we’ve seen this week
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on May 26, 2008 12:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh don't be silly.
Of course he can.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 26, 2008 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know..
Washburn’s 2.1 IP, 12 HA, 9 ER would be tough to beat.
by ASUBoyd on May 26, 2008 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have more walks
but other than that.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on May 26, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How dare you both
Sell a Mariner short. ANYTHING is possible for the Seattle Mariners! This team won 116 games one season! If they can do that, they can go above and beyond any arbitrary limits you set upon them or die trying!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 26, 2008 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still waiting for a pitcher's arm to literally explode on our mound.
by Graham on May 26, 2008 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Tony Saunders doing these days?
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on May 26, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right!
They can LOSE 116 games! They might even challenge the all time record!
WATCH OUT CLEVELAND SPIDERS
by Gomez on May 26, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the spirit!
Get the Mojo Risin’!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 26, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why let him develop in AAA?
I have a couple reasons:
1) His secondary pitches need improvement. Maybe not if he’s going to be a league average starter. But we drafted this guy thinking he could be a well above average starter. And to become that he needs to improve his curve and his change. They are both pitches with + upside that aren’t there yet. You can make the argument that facing big league hitters will force him to improve his command in ways that AAA guys won’t. I don’t think his secondary pitches are close enough to their potential for that that to be the primary concern. If you want to tell me that when rosters expand come September, sure, but right now Morrow needs to be starting in AAA.
2) We don’t need him. This team isn’t going anywhere this year. Let Corcoran take those innings. The goal for this season should be nothing more than avoiding profound humiliation. That’s it. Win 70 games and go home. Therefore if there is any risk in exposing our top pitching prospect to Major League hitting as a starter that risk should be avoided until the team is potentially competitive. That time is next year.
3) He’s not Joba Chamberlain. He lacks the track record of success in the big leagues and the track of record of success as a minor league starter.
I think it’s insane to leave Morrow up. He looks really good this year, and if all he could be is a top notch 8th inning guy, then sure, keep him in the bigs. However, he can be way more than that, and we need good homegrown starting pitching going forward. Let’s make that happen. Morrow to AAA!
by LongLiveTheKings on May 26, 2008 1:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's time for another episode of "Dreaming to the Future"
Our pitching rotation 5 years from now could be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
1. Felix Hernandez (one can dream)
2. Juan Ramirez
3. Felippe Aumonte….. cough
4. Brandon Morrow
5. STRASBERG
by marinator on May 26, 2008 8:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes, this
The old ‘rotation in 3 years’ meme.
A lot can happen between now and then, and not just trades, FA defections and injuries.
by Gomez on May 26, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man our rotation is going to be awesome in 2005
1. Meche
2. Pineiro
3. Blackley
4. Nageotte
5. Livingston
Unbeatable!
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 26, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I don't know if I'm fit to be a reliever."
(Yes, he really said that)
by Alex B on May 26, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, this wouldn't surprise me:
Juan Ramirez: Disgruntled ace demanding a trade before deadline.
Ryan Feierabend: Veteran soft tosser kept around for his guile because he ‘knows how to pitch’. ERA: 5.25
Kyle Lohse: Proven veteran who knows how to win. 5.36 ERA with 4-17 record.
Kyle Parker: Steady young talent who is the sign of a brighter future of this organization. 4.56 ERA 45/60 BB/K in 160 IP.
Doug FISTER: Can be a great pitcher if only he could avoid the big inning. (See: Meche, Gil, 2000-2006)
Where’s Felix, you ask? Why, in New York, of course!
by Gomez on May 26, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swap Morrow for Bedard
And that rotation may be better than ours is this year. >_>
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 26, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's what I call pitching downhill
eh? eh?
by Jeff on May 26, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff's here all week folks
I mean, he has to be, because it’s his blog, but still.
by Gomez on May 26, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
stick to your "hey is is Vitor artinez" bit
by JLC on May 26, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a dream that we traded something no one was mad about for him a few days ago.
My dreams are better than my life.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 26, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the catcher catches him
haw haw haw
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on May 26, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it gets done...
Batista and/or Washburn need to get out of the rotation right away. Morrow now has a slider/ curve, change, and split, so now is as good as ever. Slip him in there he, its not like it gonna hurt our chances of winning.
As for AAA or here. I say here. Last thing we need is for Morrow to struggle in AAA then let Bavasi “think”.
by Edgar for Mayor on May 27, 2008 1:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You gotta worry about Morrow's psyche too, though
and put him in a position in which he can be successful. I like the idea of grooming him as a starter, but I think he would be best served maybe even starting in AA for a couple of starts just to (very likely) experience some success – then he ends up back with the big club after… maybe 10-15 minor league starts (so around mid-August) and gets a trial then.
by seattlebruin on May 27, 2008 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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