A Thought
by Jeff Sullivan on May 24, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
in Seattle Mariners Stats
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PrintThe Mariner front office can't evaluate hitters. They love to stock up on aggressive, free-swinging types who put the ball in play and rarely walk, seemingly ignorant of the fact that the most important things a guy can do at the plate are get on base and hit for power.
The Mariner front office can't evaluate pitchers. They have zero understanding of replacement level, they put too much stock in ERA, and they buy into labels like "proven winner" and "innings eater" instead of trying to figure out what a guy can provide to the team with his actual performance.
The Mariner front office can't evaluate defense. Raul Ibanez is the everyday left fielder.
Our only source of happiness at the moment is the hope that sometime down the road there'll be people in the front office who are the complete and utter opposite of the people in there now.
Is that unhealthy? I think that's unhealthy.
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Of course it's unhealthy
What kind of idiot roots for his team to lose? Me.
Although, I suppose it would be more unhealthy to delude myself into believing that this organization will ever accomplish anything the way it is currently constructed.
Back before the start of the 05 season
We had Howard and Chuck speak at the the stadium employee orientation and they told all of us that :
“People dont go to games to watch their teams win, they go to have fun. People dont remember the final score of of their first ballgame but they remember how much fun it was to meet the moose and watch the hydros. And that’s the lasting memory that we want to give them”
I just about put a bullet in his ape head.
I hope you're not serious.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on May 24, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He told me the same story on the way to Canada this weekend :(
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
At the start of '05 they thought the losing of 2004 was a
thing of the past.
I’m hoping that after so many losing seasons since then, they’ve started to change their paradigm.
The artist formerly known as Katal
What did you work as?
That’s the insider info we need to pretty much back the argument that they don’t give a shit about winning but just to make money.
The sad part is they aren't even doing that.
They’re spending $100+ Million on this team. If they only cared about money, there are much cheaper ways to fail.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Fielder
Basically doing teenage bitch jobs around the stadium but since I got some inside info every now and then I can confirm our worst fears are in fact true.
Basically doing teenage bitch jobs
If only Washburn jokes were still funny.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on May 24, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It's always the scrappy guys.
I know a guy who’s girlfriend banged Jorge Cantu while they were dating.
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on May 24, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Point taken from this
Don’t get close to any of the players. They will hit on your girlfriends. Isn’t Willie married too?
I knew a ballgirl who not only Yuni hit on (or should I say, asked out), but also some of the players spread rumors about having sex with her and that threatened her job security. I mean who are they going to believe, the FOF or a easily-replaceable ball girl? I think she said she never wanted to work there again after the experience.
I remember the score of my first baseball game
...well no I don’t but I remember that Erik Hanson threw a shutout and it was awesome, and Kreuger lost the next day and it blew.
by JI on May 24, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
We lost to the Yankees 5-2
The team had traded Randy Johnson the night before and I missed A-Rod’s two run HR because of the idiot ticket taker couldn’t do his job. My second game, Clemens shut us out 12-0. I should have taken this as a warning.
A guy in RF hung a banner that said
HEY WOODY SUCK MY JOHNSON
it was awesome
by JI on May 24, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That trade was awesome ever though we were all pissed.
..as awesome as it could be under the circumstances anyway
by JI on May 24, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember Randy Johnson losing to the Orioles (and possibly getting lots of strikeouts?)
But at the time I really didn’t give a damn about baseball.
by Graham MacAree on May 25, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Old people live a long time these days
Howie and Chuck each probably have at least a couple decades left.
They need a dash of JI's blood in their veins
by Jeff Sullivan on May 24, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's type P pistive
"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena
by R.J. Anderson on May 24, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
But where would Bavasi take him?
There aren’t a lot of teams looking for dumb GMs at the moment. I’d worry about Engle before Fontaine anyway.
by discovolante on May 24, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't worry that Bavasi would take him
as much as I worry that Bavasi’s firing might spur Fontaine to go work somewhere better. From what I understand, the two are very close.
Note: I know jack shit about this. I just like the idea of someone wearing a Bill Bavasi mask.
Fontaine's a cool guy
but yeah, gameplanning an org’s scouting and player development isn’t a ninja-like science.
He was here before Bavasi
so I doubt there’s much connection.
I don't think this team's baseball philosophy will change until Yamauchi/Nintendo of America surrender control
Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack
No
Howie and Chuck just need to disappear and their replacement would need to be someone who is willing to let baseball people run the team and stick to the business end.
Yamauchi-san is not necessarily the problem. Of course he wants the damn team to maximize their profit margins. The problem is that Howie and Chuck think they know how to build a ballclub, and they don’t, but they have ownership of the ballclub and they get to meddle.
Is Yamauchi even still around?
Regardless, I’ll give you three guesses as to who demanded the Johjima extension. Hint: it wasn’t Bavasi.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 24, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
umm. I... uh... meant.... um...
did you REMEMBER to edit this… um… because I thought you may um… have spelled extension wrong. And you didn’t…. yeah, that’s what I meant.
...and now I'm here
I'm beginning to think that I am good typer and my only problem is lack of admin power.
by JI on May 24, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I better get some sort of admin status for my role as curator
Do you guys realize boring you were back in 2005. And I’m reading every last comment.
When you are granted the ower to edit posts
you will get one free rec for every one of my typos you fix.
by JI on May 24, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Every now and then I'll read those old threads
What a relatively muted bunch we were. If we had any idea what game threads would become….
that was before the days of recs and auto refresh
these are new fangled faster times
by JI on May 24, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that is when the season died
Even though I know that was the same day that Jeff’s account got hacked into.
He didn't spell anything wrong. It was content,
And all he did was change the blame. He originally seemed to be saying Yamauichi was to be blamed for everything. Then he reworded it to ensure that Yamauchi was really only to be blamed for Kenji.
...and now I'm here
At least Johjima is good
And at least [COATHANGER] is only demanding we offer such extensions to good players.
Problem is
the from what I can tell Howie and Chuck are pretty good at making money. I also don’t really think Howie and Chuck care if they can build a “winning” ballclub because they are just trying to make money. Sure it’d be nice to win a lot of games but they don’t want to take the risk of losing a lot of games (although this has bit them in the ass a couple times). Mediocre teams can make a lot of money in baseball. They probably won’t get fired until they lose a lot of money and I doubt this is gonna happen unless we turn into the next KC Royals.
by Edgar for Pres on May 24, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I have quietly mourned the 2008 season and moved on, and for one accept our incompetent overlords
I think that’s healthy.
And yet somehow fail to properly evaluate the intangibles as well
otherwise why would there be such a chemistry problem?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 24, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Bavasi said there is no clubhouse leadership.
.... In the team that he specifically designed in order to have good clubhouse leadership. Hm….
...and now I'm here
rec'd for a barely acceptable amount of pervyness
by JI on May 24, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
this place is turning into one giant circle rec fest
by Matthew on May 24, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your just jealous because your falling behind in the standings.
by Robert on May 24, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd to keep Matthew behind in the standings
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd to further Matthews embarrassment
by Robert on May 24, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You were much more excited last night >:(
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't toy with my emotions like that!
You know I really care about you!
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That's it, you're not getting an action tonight buddy.
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Robert's got plenty of pictures and a few videos from last night....
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It's cool, I could just describe them.
Why did you think I was Arthur Rhodes anyway?
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Graham though Arthur Rhodes doesn't have breasts like me
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually we've already done that
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
If only we weren't already sharing the couch.
Because then I’d make him sleep on the couch. Of course doing that now would just be rewarding his bad behavior
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You're much more fun when you're passed out drunk
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you should start looking at yourself.
Besides, who knows how much longer you’ll have this relationship.
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
How is it possible that you're not the bitch here?
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Joke's on you it's your bed too
Yes I’ve forgiven you.
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
But only because you're very good at a lot of things...
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
...
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
God damn it
I was so close to not sharing a bed with you but I was too drunk to just say “Can I crash at your place Lindsey?”
Shitty.
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by BrettJMiller on May 25, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like Mark Teahen :(
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
God I'm sexy
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Better mine than most things. I'm like five tens
If you take out all my extra fat
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You're missing the important part.
You know, the sodomy part.
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I reject real communication
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
In which case it would be the opposite.
Fuck beer googles + ugly girls at a bachelorette party
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Fucking rec'd
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright, so I'm still a bit confused by this distinction
Is it:
A) The Mariners don’t understand that Ibanez is bad at defense
or
B) The Mariners acknowledge Ibanez is bad at defense, but don’t realize the consequence of having a truly awful defense
I’m guessing it might be a little from column A and a little from column B, but holy shit have they seen Ibanez play defense in Yankee Stadium recently?
I think it's a little of both
Combined with a healthy dose of not giving a shit about the team winning, only getting kids and non fans into the ballpark.
by Smegmalicious on May 24, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose Lopez's contract is hilarious
# $0.125M annually in physical performance bonuses: $25,000 for passing each of 4 in-season physical tests (body-fat percentage, 60-yard sprint, 20-yard shuttle run & vertical jump), plus $25,000 for passing 4 in 1 year # award bonus: $50,000 for being voted to start All Star game, $25,000 for All Star selection
A very large part of me wonders how high Loafie has to jump to earn the $25,000. Talk about literally jumping for money…
So what's the point of rooting for this team until current ownership is shifted?
Hilarious failure? I guess that’s something.
For the pride of not being a douchey frontrunner.
by JI on May 24, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
and reading Jeff
That is, until this orginization drives him to drink a gallon of Everclear and his liver explodes.
They're robbing me of my will to write
by Jeff Sullivan on May 24, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You said it was more fun when we sucked.
I agreed. I thought we would be friends. Why are we not friends?
It used to be
I think I’m about ready for a good team now
by Jeff Sullivan on May 24, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Hoping they somehow pull another 88-74 or better record out of their asses one season
even though the team most likely won’t deserve it.
Because it's the team we root for
Why didn’t any of the long timers give up on the team when Smulyan or Argyros owned the team?
Hay is is Mallio Ordoyez
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
TV viewers don't know what they're missing
by Jeff Sullivan on May 24, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank god for vacation
I finally got to see it.
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by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm seriously considering getting a one moth mlb.tv subscription for vitor artinez alone.
-aaron c.
by Aaron Campeau on May 24, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, it's more to watch good baseball.
But vitor artinez is legitimately a check in the ‘for’ column. For now.
-aaron c.
by Aaron Campeau on May 24, 2008 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news
Wilkerson hits a GS today. And to think I couldn’t picture him hitting a HR. He’s probably happy to be out of this stupid organization now.
I was gonna say that WFB would be a better RF than Wilkerson
and he might be…until I looked at willie’s stats this year and it made me laugh. His OBP is over 2x higher than his SLG. I really hope this continues.
by Edgar for Pres on May 24, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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