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DER and You

DER is the ratio of balls in play that are turned into an out. Think of it as the inverse of BABIP. Coming into play today, the Mariners defensive efficiency ratio stood at an awe-inspring .678 meaning that Mariner defenders turn 67.8% of balls in play (e.g. HRs excluded) into outs. That is dead last in the American League and only the lowly Pirates have more shame than us in the National League.

Now, there's a pitching aspect to DER as well. Line drives only end up as outs roughly 30% of the time compared to groundballs, bunts and flyballs which all hover around 80% outs. Infield flys are a touch over 90%. Of course, this all varies depending on whose definitions of line drive vs flyball, flyball vs popup, etc that you use, but they're good general guides. So a pitching staff that yields more line drives than usual is going to see a lower DER that's not the fault of the defenders. This was part of the hope for the 2008 Mariners that removing the suck fests of Weaver and Ramirez would make our defense look slightly better.

Well, it hasn't. The 2008 staff is allowing a dead-on league average 19% line drives. They are allowing slightly more flyballs than usual and, since they have an average IF/FB ratio, they are getting more infield flies than average. So, if anything, the pitching staff is gifting the defense easier balls in play than the average American League team. You can see this quantitatively on the THT Team page in the Plus/Minus under Team Fielding Stats. You see both a pitching and a fielding number. That pitching number is exactly what we just described, the number of plays the defense should make over an average squad due to the pitcher's batted ball profile. So, we possess the league's worst defense at turning balls in plays into outs even with some extra help from our pitchers.

The average team faces about 27 balls in play per game. The difference between the Mariners defense and an average AL defense so far is a little over half an out per game, meaning the Ms defense allows a bit over one runner to reach base every two games that an average defense does not. The difference between the Mariners league-worst defense and the Blue Jays league-best defense is over 1.25 batters every single game. Every. Single. Game. In relative terms, Mariner pitchers have to record 28.27 outs every game compared to Toronto's 27.

Defense is not a strength of ours.

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So what you're saying is that if we had Toronto's defense

we wouldn’t necessarily be dead right now – more like 22-26 or 23-25?

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been wondering this

Why do we use DER instead of BABIP? BABIP seems to be a more intuitive number.

by Edgar for Pres on May 23, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

DER is basically 1-BABIP. It's just an out average on balls in play.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on May 23, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think i was more asking for historically why do people making stats often have many names

for basically the same stat. Its not really confusing once you know what it is but I’m sure for somebody seeing it all for the first time it probably is annoying.

by Edgar for Pres on May 23, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

because BABIP is more thought of as a pitcher's stat

and we’re not trying measure the pitchers. That’s the reasoning anyways.

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just looking at some more THT #s

It seems like Sexson, Beltre, Betancourt, and Ibanez are below league average in RZR, that can’t be good.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on May 23, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't blame you.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on May 23, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Toronto's defense is going to win Shaun Marcum a Cy Young award.

That’s quite a feat.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply actions  

But their offense is going to lose it for him

because Cy Young voters love the W-L record.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 23, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why Halladay's 280 IP and 18 CG won't win it for him.

So far Marcum’s getting a .824 DER behind him. They don’t need to score much when he’s only allowing 1 run.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They need to score 2

and they have Brad Wilkerson leading off. Who knows, maybe they can ground into two bases loaded no out double plays every game.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 23, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ichiro hurts this team

by not making ESPN highlight reels.

by johnbai on May 23, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoa crazy

you realize that Jarrod threw that fastball 89 mph? Is that the fastest pitch he’s thrown this season?

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

As you can see

it’s hard tip tie up an opposite handed batter up and in with an 89MPH cockball.

by JI on May 23, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's like Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball on 64

That was his Super Suck Pitch, hence the increased velocity.

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on May 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man...

:(

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A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 23, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

The answer to this is obvious

We need a Gold Glove outfielder like Ken Griffey Jr.

by eponymous_coward on May 23, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

So f'ng rec'd...

‘Cause you know the M’s would be thinking that…

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 23, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to be straight....

The +8 under “Pit” is means that our pitchers have essentially handed the defense 8 plays this season or in other words, if this team had an average defense, they would be +8 in plays made.

But the REALITY is that the M’s are -27?

Doesn’t that REALLY mean that the M’s are -35 then?

by PLU Tim on May 23, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh man....

KC is brutal….

Pit +19
Fld -22

by PLU Tim on May 23, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are right on the pitchers

the pitchers are +8
the fielders are -27
overall they are -19

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

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