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Series Preview: Seattle Mariners @ New York Yankees

Seattle: 18-30
Yankees: 22-25

GAMES

Game 1: Erik Bedard* vs Andy Pettitte*
Game 2: Felix Hernandez vs Chien-Ming Wang
Game 3: Carlos Silva vs Mike Mussina

Bedard is coming off his nicest start of the year last time around, but that was at home and against the Padres. This test is going to be a bit tougher. Can you imagine the pickle the Yankees would be in if Pettitte had indeed decided to retire? Boy, that'd be a hoot. Instead he goes on being slightly above average.

Felix is all over the place, but he's never looked vintage Felix in 2008. Even the first two starts which yielded great results, were not normal great Felix since even then his strikeouts were down and he was allowing far more balls into the air. It starts with getting that ball back on the ground Felix. And it finishes with THROWING LESS PREDICTABLE FASTBALLS. Meanwhile, Wang's groundball rate is in steady decline but along with that his strikeout numbers are steadily improving. I'm not sure why he's making the tradeoff, but given the infield defense behind him maybe it's no surprise.

This should be a fun one. Who wants to watch Silva get his slop slapped around New York while Mike Mussina baffles our hitters yet again with his ability to throw a spheroid object approximately 55 feet without having it hit the ground? No? Good news for you. James Shields takes on Daniel Cabrera at the same time in Tampa. Tune in to watch what a real lineup does against pitchers that cannot throw strikes.

Star-divide

Likely Starters:
C Jose Molina/Chad Moeller
1 Shelley Duncan/Jason Giambi
2 Robinson Cano
3 Alex Rodriguez
S Derek Jeter
L Johnny Damon
C Melky Cabrera
R Bobby Abreu
D Hideki Matsui

We got manhandled by this very lineup a little under three weeks ago and now they've replaced Morgan Ensberg with a healthy A-Rod. Strasburg is about to be three games closer to ours. The Yankees haven't been scoring runs, but that's not much of an issue of their overall offensive talent and more to do with that .237 average with runners in scoring position. How do you spell regression? Well, I spell it M-A-R-I-N-E-R-S--P-I-T-C-H-I-N-G.

CONTEXT

The era of good feelings stemming from the series with San Diego just got bitch-slapped by the recession in Detroit. The Mariners offense continues to make mediocre and control-free pitchers look good by having no patience and not being able to capitalize when they do luck into seeing a mistake pitch. The Mariner defense continues to blow, though it should be noted that Jeremy Reed has awesome range and put it on display yesterday. More of him in leftfield please. The rotation, a strength in April, has been downright dismal in May and it hasn't been bad luck. Line drives and walks galore for these sad sacks.

Total combined out pitches amongst Carlos Silva, Jarrod Washburn and Miguel Batista: Zero. These three have to possess control or command in order to be passable. If they get both, they can be solid starters. Lately, they have neither and since they're not facing our offense that means they're going to get destroyed.

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Somebody doesn't read fangraphs

Because a smart, good looking guy wrote up a profile on Daniel Cabrera and his new found command earlier this week. Looks like D-Cab might have finally figured out how to pitch. Maybe.

by davidcameron on May 23, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply actions  

That's certainly interesting.

Will have to keep and eye on that. Though I wonder if him figuring out means “I’ve re-invented myself” or “I’m like Gil Meche in Seattle”?

by ThundaPC on May 23, 2008 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

he has better command (so far), but he's still throws below average

and it’s come at the sacrifice of missing bats, which is down almost 50% from 2007.

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Groundballs = Good

Check out the spike in his GB rate. Strikes + GB > Balls + Strikeouts.

by davidcameron on May 23, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm aware of his GB% increase

I’m skeptical it’s going to outweigh missing bats (4.7%) less often than Carlos Silva (5.0%) has when he’s still throwing too many balls.

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

And

Not to get too much into trend analysis, but he’s been remarkably better in the last month than he was in the first. He’s walked three batters in four May starts, which is really quite remarkable considering what we know about his skills. I’m not saying he’s fixed, but he’s clearly changing his approach from what it was, and when a player makes a shift in skills this dramatic, it’s worth paying attention to.

by davidcameron on May 23, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't expect those to last for much longer

somehow, the Mariners seem to defy statistics and regress every unlucky player to the happy mean

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Maybe he’ll actually wash the thong after they sweep us?

Free Stephen Awesome Strasburg!

by thejew4u on May 23, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's too early to talk about man thongs.

Is anyone else with me on this?

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too early?

It’s never time to talk about man thongs.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 23, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent point.

I’m not sure what I was thinking with my original post.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that where he landed?

I thought I threw him farther than that.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I peed in Grass Creek once.

I thought that made it mine?

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish I had been born a lefty.

And played baseball.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's the best thing you can learn as a parent

if your child is left handed and displays any semblance of athleticism, hand them a baseball. You’ll be handsomely rewarded with a beautiful retirement home someday.

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone can learn to throw left-handed starting at an early age.

I’m planning to teach my kid to do it, regardless of which hand is his natural hand.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even adults can learn this stuff.

If you examine what your right arm does when you throw, you can then mimic that behaviour with your left arm and produce a vastly superior throw than your previous girly-armed attempts within minutes.

The hard part is placing your feet correctly.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

I can barely scratch myself with my left hand. Damn thing is useless.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I take out the garbage, I have to unlock the dumpster

(it’s locked to discourage homeless people from wandering the neighbourhood). So I carry keys. When I’m done, I tend to throw the keys to myself behind my back. WIth my right hand, I toss the keys behind me and up over the left shoulder, and then I catch them, again with my right hand.

It occured the me that I could learn to do it with the other hand. At first, I just tried to catch the keys with my left hand, and after a few weeks I was pretty good at that. I tried throwing it a few times, but my body position was all wrong.

But now, I can happily throw my keys up over my shoulder from behind me with either hand, and catch both throws with either hand.

And your left hand can’t be that useless, Don’t you ever mouse with your left?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If by "mouse" you mean "push the power window button in the car", then yes.

I’m not really saying that it’s completely useless, I’m just debating how quickly I could develop a good throwing motion with it at this age. I am far from ambidextrious (crap, is that spelled correctly?).

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeez, we're lefties aren't we?

I guess it just means we’re naturally better.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 23, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

know a guy that does that for the Browns

but he can also snap a football into a garbage can from 30 yrds.

by laxtonto on May 23, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not an important skill unless you're in the NFL.

Although it would make taking out the garbage much easier.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Long snapping into a garbage can from 30 yrds

vs

Throwing a baseball 90 mph a distance of 60 ft over a small plate.

by Edgar for Pres on May 23, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

After reading the discussion at USSM

...for some reason I thought Teixeira was 2 years younger. I have to agree with Dave, while I don’t think it would be a disaster, that’s not the type of player I would risk paying $texas in his age 35 season.

by JI on May 23, 2008 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Ehhh....

This is probably just me being dumb and has nothing to do with the premise of your comment, but I’ve really grown tired of the ”$texas” meme. Is it just me?

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 23, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hardly ever see it here, so it's still not obnoxious to me.

I liked always liked $Pujols to describe an exceptionally good hitter, but it never caught on.

by JI on May 23, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

$poo holes

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 23, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Much better!

I don’t know if I’m “tired” of the $texas meme, but I usually find it unnecessary.

Funny part is he always spells it correctly!!

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've been so steeped in perl and php lately

that $texas means something very different to me now.

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave's right

but I don’t care. The team’s going to throw money around all stupid-like so under those conditions the least they could do is throw money around all stupid-like in the direction of somebody good.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 23, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave showed me his argument this morning

I think the main divergence in opinion is in how he will age.

by Graham MacAree on May 23, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wassup with the green background and the E-Trade star?

Did some leprechaun stockbroker run through here?

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh. First time I've seen it.

I prefer the leprechaun story though.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm Scottish/Irish,

and I find that picture to be offensive.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone settle down.

I was only offended because he doesn’t have a drink in his hand. Looks like someone stole it out of his right hand.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am also Irish

I do not appreciate your hate speech.

by JI on May 23, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh...

May the wind be at your back, the sun shine upon your face, your eyes see beauty, your ears hear music, and may you get drunk and fight at weddings.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 23, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not yet.

Geez.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm 1/4 irish.

Wish I was at least 1/4 drunk right now.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 23, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm half.

But the other half is Scottish, so it’s drunk too.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Irish, German and Native American

So the continued battle in my head isnt “if” ill have a drink, its “Is it Beer or Whiskey.”

by laxtonto on May 23, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hear ya.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or highlighted.

I’ve never before seen someone drop only the second gh from that word.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's dropping the ball.

I say we DFA him.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wow, BrianL just god DFA'ed

so we can sign Eyebrows to a long term contract!

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck yeah this is gonna be awesome

Gonna be like Washburn and go from Angels to the Ms and be really shitty and get paid a lot of money.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 23, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOU WANT US TO PO

POST LIKE THIS

WHAT IN THE HECK

by JI on May 23, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

EYEBROWS IS OUR SAVIOUR

WE’LL NEVER MISCAPITALISE AGAIN

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is this guy?

Why did we DFA BrainL for him?

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I waffle.

I also sometimes drop periods at the end of sentences as well.

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that bothers me, too.

I understand that Noah Webster’s orthographic reform has infected America, but his principles of phonetic consistency are completely at odds with you guys misspelling both lighter and litre as liter. They’re not pronounced the same, so Webster would hold they shouldn’t be spelled the same, and yet his standards of reform produced both words.

Yet more evidence that he was a lunatic.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

There’s meaning in the etymology. Without that, words’ meanings would be based on how people used the words, and that’s just crazy.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

Knowing english is a barrier to getting a good job. If its easy to learn english we’ll all lose our jobs since we are lazy and horribly qualified.

by Edgar for Pres on May 23, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there's a reason

We shouldn’t expect him to age normally, I’d love to hear it. My basic aging curve came from here.

by davidcameron on May 23, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hot tar baths.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just not convinced the decline comes in half win increments per year

If he hit his peak as sometime like a 2.25 wins over average as a 27 year old, at age 31 if you apply the linear weights value of 0.922 he’s lost a quarter of a win with the bat. Now I know that’s not rigorous and defence tends to decline fast, but losing 8.6% of your value a year? delta$LW between ages 33 and 28 is roughly -8.6%.

by Graham MacAree on May 23, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good for the flexor bundle as well.

That’s how Wash keeps throwing that amazing 84mph heat.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's why Jarrod throws people under buses

he can only throw them under things his fastball can catch up to.

If he tried to toss em under a Ferrari like Felix would…

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

$poo holes

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

"players like THAT"

How did I miss an entire word? I’m brain-dead today.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not dead.

It’s just JI.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

an incredibly saucy dame?

much better than
acute infected scrotum disorder

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really.

I just care about the twins that much.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fail.

AISD. Try again.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washburn has it.

“Apparently, I Suck” Disorder

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 23, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It means you're on a DAIS.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If we are gonna sign some huge contracts we might as well sign good people (Ichiro, Beltre) and not shitty guys (Washburn, Silva).

by Edgar for Pres on May 23, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

NY papers

reported that Mussina and Wang’s starts have been flipped, so now it’s Moose v. Felix and Wang v. Silva. Not that it matters one iota.

I’m lucky enough to be going to the Boogie Down for tonight and tomorrow’s games. Best possible outcomes I can think of? 1) A massively entertaining brawl 2) A large Stadium fire which purges the M’s dugout of all that is necessary (the Bronx is BURNING!) 3) Someone buries McLaren and Bavasi under the new stadium. You know, for luck.

Jack Perconte chokes me up.

by GothamMariner on May 23, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I always preferred the "Dick Ball" sports report.

Or a good ‘ol fashioned NASCAR race featuring Dick Trickle.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, I know this is OT

but did we lose another FanPost? I don’t see the Felix Extension post up there anymore

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

(ducks)

Thingray fears the banhammer.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't honestly think I'm in danger.

I’m not, am I? I mean, I know I said nice things about Coors Light, but isn’t everyone allowed a mistake or two?

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

(whispers)

I want him back too, as long as he’s cheap and doesn’t play in the field much.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Up Cork City!

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 23, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll say it to them alright.

I have a lot to say to those rat-bastards.

by Graham MacAree on May 23, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the space of two weeks in 2001

I killed one squirrel on my bike and one in a car. they’re all afraid of me now. Which makes me happy.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 23, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay! Obliviousness is bliss!

As long as I remain unaware that Jeff hates me, I’m safe.

I feel like Elan.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 23, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many ways are there to say

The Mariners will lose, and not very interestingly?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 23, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the speed that impresses me.

Not the action. The action is predictable.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 23, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to always be here to help.

I wonder why that is? Seems like I’m always bored when they come out for some reason.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 23, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we have covered, Irish, Squirrels, Bows, BanHammers, soccer, deep sanppers, the "school of Cock" and other assorted topics

Not a bad start to a series. Well rounded and cultured discussion of some of the little know facts in the world we live in.

by laxtonto on May 23, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, now you've gone and done it.

speaking of which, I was doing my budget and I’ve spent more on beer than I have on all other food products combined in 2008.

by Matthew on May 23, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

make sure to find a computer and start posting here

about noon on Saturday. Hilarity will indeed ensue.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 23, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pussy

Brett and I are going to be drunk this entire weekend in Whistler

by Robert on May 23, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats just the start of the first day.

I dont know what will happen when i get to Houston tonight, or Sunday night…Just playing it by drunken ear

by laxtonto on May 23, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's fashionable to hate the Yankees.

It is fashionable to hate A-rod. I try to stay fashionable and hate both. This may be the first series, though, that I will not be invested in a Mariner victory against New York.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 23, 2008 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

By the Way, JI -

I was working on this for fun. Any thoughts?

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 23, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I just think it would be funny with cheese in one of them

and I agree, it’s a meme that needs to be used correctly. I apologize for brain-deadedly trying to add it to your picture

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I don't disagree with you at all.

It can be used well, and it might be good in the picture. I’m not just sure yet. I’ll play around with it later and see. It has to look good, too. So even if it works really well, if it messes up the picture too much it loses its appeal.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 23, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is the moon made of cheese or rocks?

My personal favorite is “Where does it specify the left feilders can’t ride unicorns? oh man that would totally helpRauls range”

by laxtonto on May 23, 2008 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

What about
Please specify

Exactly where in the rule book it says that the home team cannot decide which rules will be used”

Best. Comment. Ever.

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

Where it the rule book does it say we cannot give ourselves 6 runs every time we want?

Or discount all the runs we don’t want scored?

I’m going to miss him….

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 23, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he comes back to LL someday

Can you imagine the Second Coming of F’nA’s? It would be glorious in so many ways.

I might even take a personal day to enjoy the trainwreck from home.

by seattlebruin on May 23, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

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