Belaboring The Point
I decided to run some numbers to figure out the impact that each team's offense, pitching, and defense is on pace to have over the course of a full season. Results are in the table below. This may not be the absolute best way to do it, but it was the easiest, and this is my lunch break. Let me know if I did anything wrong.
OFFENSE: |R/G - lgR/G| * 162
PITCHING: |FIP - lgFIP| * 162 (assumes 9 inning games, which is ~average)
DEFENSE: |THT +/- rating * 0.8| * 162/GP (GP = games played; +/- rating and GP from May 14th, as THT hasn't updated its Team page for some reason)
Note that these are absolute values. So, for example, San Diego's offense is on pace to be 207 runs away from the league average, while its pitching is on pace to be 50 runs away, and its defense 32 runs away.
The key bit of information is that last line in the table. Offense is set to be the most variable of skills across the league, followed by pitching, followed by defense. I don't think anyone will find that particularly surprising. However, while the impact of defense may be the smallest, it's still significant. The average team's defense is on pace to end up 34 runs away from the league average (that's confusing), which is somewhere between 3-4 wins in the standings. Toronto is on pace to be 14-15 wins better than Pittsburgh on defense alone. 14-15 wins! To say nothing of how much better they were than Tampa Bay and Florida a year ago in the field.
Defense. Defense defense defense. I talk about it all the time to compensate for the fact that so few other people seem to pay it any mind. Just because it's not the most important thing in the world doesn't mean it's not important, and it's so ridiculously easy to upgrade that there's zero excuse for not doing so if you're given the opportunity. It'll make a difference. It may not be as obvious to the naked eye as a home run or a strikeout, but it'll help far more than most people understand.
Let's pretend, for the sake of simplicity, that Jeremy Reed's offense = Jose Vidro's offense (Reed's better, but anyway). Putting Reed on the bench and leaving Raul in left field instead of putting Reed in left field and sliding Raul to DH would be roughly equivalent to leaving Chad Billingsley in AAA so you can keep Adam Eaton in the ML rotation. Do you think people would stand for that? Of course they wouldn't. And neither should we stand for this.
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Revolution!!! Revolt!! Oh nevermind......
I like midgets more than I should.
Toronto and Pittsburgh are both the same. Is one of the teams 71 runs down and the other 71 runs up?
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on May 21, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions
Yes
As I mentioned, these are absolute values.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 21, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on Jeff's comments, I would say yes.
But the table doesn’t differentiate between positive and negative values.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 21, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
perfect usage
I fucking hate you Mariners
You stole my dead horse
Now I don’t know what to kick.
That's the neat thing about dead horses
You can keep kicking them all you want, because they’ll never get up and walk away.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 21, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Toronto's defense is better than I thought.
Though I suppose that May 14 cutoff minimises the impact of putting Brad Wilkerson on the team.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
By the way, no, these numbers aren't park-adjusted
that would require a lot more work for little gain. But I thought I should mention it anyway. And my impression is that adjusting the numbers for environment would only make defense look even more important.
Yeah i don't think park adjusted FIP would make a difference
since it would average out.
I’m a nerd. Do you have stdev for these handy?
by Edgar for Pres on May 21, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
StDev for the defense was 21, I believe
Offense was something like 54. Don’t remember pitching, and I’m on a different computer now than the one with the spreadsheet.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 21, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Midgets?!?
I LOVE MIDGETS!!!!
I like midgets more than I should.
Just had to ask
Any correlation between team payroll and these categories? Are low payroll teams trying to field good defenses and young pitching staffs since they can’t compete for offensive stars?
That's what Tampa Bay did over the off-season.
Look where it’s gotten them to this point.
Too small a sample to know
and I don’t have historical THT +/- data.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 21, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
True
Damn you small samples. Why can’t we just have more teams and play everyday of the year. Statistics would work so much better.
by Edgar for Pres on May 21, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You can never trumpet defense enough for my tastes.
There is nothing more depressing than watching a team that cannot catch and throw the ball properly.
Poor hitting and pitching results always have the variable of what the opponent is doing. Defense on the other hand is very much dependent on what that player can or cannot do.
Keep beating the drum, dead horse, rented mule, whatever. Someday someone will listen that matters.
I agree.
In fact, that is why I was invited to play in the softball tournament I’m playing in this weekend. The team has plenty of mashers (I’m not one), but they needed someone with speed and a good glove to play some D.
I like midgets more than I should.

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