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A Request

Nay, a mandate.

Could we drop the whole "Jeff Clement bat speed" thing? Forever?

The whole issue took on a life of its own that has persisted to this day. What started as "a scout thinks Jeff Clement has a slower bat than he used to" turned into "a scout thinks Jeff Clement sucks" which turned into "Dave Cameron thinks Jeff Clement sucks" which turned into "Dave Cameron and Jeff Sullivan think Jeff Clement sucks".  I don't even know what the current incarnation of the story is now but I imagine it probably has something to do with Dave sending anthrax to congressmen and me designing an engine that runs on the blood of kittens and infants.

Look, I get that there are two factors in play here. One, most people can't read. And two, most people lack the ability to understand the subtleties and nuances of an argument and prefer instead to stick to extremes. But still, read these articles. I mean really read them. Look at the points. Look at the qualifiers. Look at the evidence. And most of all, look at the conclusion (which I will copy and paste right here for those who're too lazy to click a link):

Now, I’m not presenting this post as any kind of reason to jump off the Jeff Clement bandwagon. He was the #3 pick in the draft two years ago, so this isn’t some guy who scouts universally hated. He hit at USC, he hit in the Texas League, and now he’s hitting in the PCL. There’s too much history that says Jeff Clement can hit for me to buy the idea that he’s just a guy with marginal batspeed and his success won’t translate to the majors.

But I do find the entire conversation extremely interesting. I think it’s relevant information that Clement is loading up on Triple-A junkballers and struggling against pitchers with major league fastballs. I’m not sure what it means, but I don’t think it’s something we should ignore.

So, to be honest, I don’t know what to think about Jeff Clement. The numbers say I should be a fan - he’s a power and patience left-handed guy that looks like a perfect fit for Safeco Field, and after a long struggle, no one has been able to get him out for the last month and a half. But, traditional scouting can still see a lot of things that statistical analysis cannot, and in this case, there’s valid evidence of the scouting claim.

Is Jeff Clement going to hit in the majors? I don’t know. I think so, but I’ll be a lot more confident if he starts whacking the ball against some high velocity right-handers.

Do you understand what's being said? Do you understand that Dave was simply passing along the opinion of a scout (that is, an opinion that wasn't Dave's) that he found to be interesting? If you don't, congratulations, you're stupid. I'm surprised you made it this far.

And if you do, awesome. Now may this please be the last time this ever comes up.

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We all hate Jeff Clement

I’m not madly in love with him at all.

by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2008 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeff Clement's bat is frozen in time

like a hackneyed plot device from a 1973 episode of Doctor Who.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 2, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Then all we have to do is

Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow

by mcshark on May 2, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

bloods overated

in shock value, underrated in food.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on May 2, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

It could be bad if we have food shortages

Engines are harder to consume and digest properly.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's different then.

Bring on puppy power!

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

just use your condor feather pen dipped in squid ink

to draw us a schematic on goat skin paper. You can use my whale oil lamp for lighting.

by Matthew on May 2, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's for dinner?

panda steaks on the grill. Deeeeeeelicious.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only the best for me, sir

and whale ribs disperse the heat a lot more evenly, so the panda gets nice and tasty.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're missing

the spotted owl reference in that statement, but overall excellent

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on May 2, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

the interior of that car

has to be made from baby seal skin

by JI on May 2, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

And they suck.

A lethal combination.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's like Naomi Watts crossed with a Swift Fox.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 2, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks to google image search

I just learned that the hippo was actually a hare.

by Robert on May 2, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Clement's bat plays 3B when it pitches.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 2, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't care how slow his friggin' bat is.

I just would like to see him, you know, not swing at the first friggin’ pitch he sees once in awhile…

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 2, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

wasn't his third AB last night

like 8 pitches or something? And I don’t think he swung at the first two.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 2, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

In his mind, he's swinging at the second pitch

that’s how slow his bat is ZING.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

kittens and infants

are far more renewable than crude oil, so there should never be a panic about “Peak Kitten”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally..took you long enough to post this

Your posting is slow

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on May 2, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply actions  

is that your opinion

or a scout you seek info from?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on May 2, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

you know

lately those fortune cookies has purposefully been stuffed with two fortunes to make you feel double lucky.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on May 2, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Sullivan types.

You know who else typed?

Josef Stalin.

Does Jeff Sullivan keep lists of people loyal to him so he can contact them discretely?

Is Jeff Sullivan planning a great famine to kill millions of Ukrainians?

We don’t know.

He’s not saying.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 2, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

When was the last time you saw a Ukranian?

yeah, looks like Sullivan’s way ahead of you.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I should pick him up for my fantasy team?

I haven’t been around long enough to make that joke… but someone had to

by LongLiveTheKings on May 2, 2008 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Graham's already claimed him.

Robby Johnson might be available though.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 2, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rob Johnson

makes being a no-hit AAA catcher look good.

by Edgar for Pres on May 3, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

A request. Nay, a mandate...

I’m going to be saying that tonight to my GF. If you don’t hear from me on Monday, send a search party.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 2, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Bush, search party of three

you can eat once you find the Dufresnes.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No politics?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 2, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He happily haunts us from the grave.

If I had known it would be free, I would have ordered…. nay, MANDATED a bigger sandwich.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 2, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I may offer a hypothesis

The source of Jeff Clement’s supposedly slow batspeed could have been due to graviational time dilation resulting from being near Vidro.

by Fett42 on May 2, 2008 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Alternative hypothesis

When Jeff Clement swings the bat, time slows down out of respect.

by Alex B on May 3, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

On this whole mess that took on a life to its own

I think this mangled game of blogosphere telephone is a microcosmic illustration of a bigger conundrum, that of blog readers and commenters taking thoughts and opinions of blog writers, blowing it up into something different and more concretely derisive than the authors intended, and suddenly you can’t have a conversation on the subject without the wall of distended dogmatic ivy that is the argument blown up into something other than it was intended to be falling down all over you the second you try to objectively discuss the issue.

I wish readers would be more objective with the material they receive, but likewise, the blogsphere is a microcosm of the world we live in. Misinterpretative stances are a byproduct. This is the world we live in, and we have to manage.

by Gomez on May 2, 2008 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Fuck

My comment was so AK-like. Ironically, I feel dumb for it. I’ll try and distill this into simpler language later.

by Gomez on May 2, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Important Part

Jeff, I need to know. Do you have to mix the kitten and infant blood? If you can tweak that engine to use twice as much kitten blood I think we have something marketable here.

Nay, world changing….

by kva15 on May 2, 2008 5:34 PM PDT reply actions  

So, uhh, can you get to work on that engine?

I got like 30 infants and 30 kittens over here and I don’t know what to do with them.

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on May 2, 2008 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Start draining them slowly, but enough that they can replenish.

Blood holds well for a good time refrigerated.

You can create a stockpile, then you’ll be ahead of the curve, and when others run out of blood, you can even sell your leftovers for profit!

by Faux on May 2, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

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