A Request
Nay, a mandate.
Could we drop the whole "Jeff Clement bat speed" thing? Forever?
The whole issue took on a life of its own that has persisted to this day. What started as "a scout thinks Jeff Clement has a slower bat than he used to" turned into "a scout thinks Jeff Clement sucks" which turned into "Dave Cameron thinks Jeff Clement sucks" which turned into "Dave Cameron and Jeff Sullivan think Jeff Clement sucks". I don't even know what the current incarnation of the story is now but I imagine it probably has something to do with Dave sending anthrax to congressmen and me designing an engine that runs on the blood of kittens and infants.
Look, I get that there are two factors in play here. One, most people can't read. And two, most people lack the ability to understand the subtleties and nuances of an argument and prefer instead to stick to extremes. But still, read these articles. I mean really read them. Look at the points. Look at the qualifiers. Look at the evidence. And most of all, look at the conclusion (which I will copy and paste right here for those who're too lazy to click a link):
Now, I’m not presenting this post as any kind of reason to jump off the Jeff Clement bandwagon. He was the #3 pick in the draft two years ago, so this isn’t some guy who scouts universally hated. He hit at USC, he hit in the Texas League, and now he’s hitting in the PCL. There’s too much history that says Jeff Clement can hit for me to buy the idea that he’s just a guy with marginal batspeed and his success won’t translate to the majors.
But I do find the entire conversation extremely interesting. I think it’s relevant information that Clement is loading up on Triple-A junkballers and struggling against pitchers with major league fastballs. I’m not sure what it means, but I don’t think it’s something we should ignore.
So, to be honest, I don’t know what to think about Jeff Clement. The numbers say I should be a fan - he’s a power and patience left-handed guy that looks like a perfect fit for Safeco Field, and after a long struggle, no one has been able to get him out for the last month and a half. But, traditional scouting can still see a lot of things that statistical analysis cannot, and in this case, there’s valid evidence of the scouting claim.
Is Jeff Clement going to hit in the majors? I don’t know. I think so, but I’ll be a lot more confident if he starts whacking the ball against some high velocity right-handers.
Do you understand what's being said? Do you understand that Dave was simply passing along the opinion of a scout (that is, an opinion that wasn't Dave's) that he found to be interesting? If you don't, congratulations, you're stupid. I'm surprised you made it this far.
And if you do, awesome. Now may this please be the last time this ever comes up.
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Jeff Clement's bat is frozen in time
like a hackneyed plot device from a 1973 episode of Doctor Who.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Then all we have to do is
Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow
must be something in the water
John Sickels had a moment today as well, banning a couple of posters in the process.
Go Fo Broke!
We should all ban more.
I like midgets more than I should.
Are they that bad over there?
I don’t read the comments as much.
Go Fo Broke!
Jeff Clement bat is so slow it was around for the invention of toothpaste
by Robert on May 2, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I remember that bat
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Clement has bat spasms.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on May 2, 2008 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"me designing an engine that runs on the blood of kittens and infants."
You say this like it’s a bad thing. Hello renewable energy!
I didn't say it's bad either but you know people
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
bloods overated
in shock value, underrated in food.
Go Fo Broke!
It could be bad if we have food shortages
Engines are harder to consume and digest properly.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The engines are made of puppy muscle
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's different then.
Bring on puppy power!
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
this needs a visual for clarification.
Go Fo Broke!
Hold on, let me get my dolphin flesh camera
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
just use your condor feather pen dipped in squid ink
to draw us a schematic on goat skin paper. You can use my whale oil lamp for lighting.
What's for dinner?
panda steaks on the grill. Deeeeeeelicious.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Only the best for me, sir
and whale ribs disperse the heat a lot more evenly, so the panda gets nice and tasty.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
you're missing
the spotted owl reference in that statement, but overall excellent
Go Fo Broke!
the interior of that car
has to be made from baby seal skin
by JI on May 2, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And they suck.
A lethal combination.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Society is crippled by stupid people not knowing they're stupid
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Or by average people thinking that they're smart, which is even worse
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
wait a minute
when did people start thinking? i missed this
Go Fo Broke!
You've just described 75% of NPR's audience.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to say KJR, but it's much higher than 75%
I fucking hate you Mariners
I got a while lot smarter when I realized I was stupid.
by JI on May 2, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You're like James Watt and Jonathan Swift rolled into one!
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Your father squealed reeeeeeeallllll good-- BEFORE HE DIED
by JI on May 2, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I use 1964 and Project 64 both because of the need to split SC and NonSC time trial results.
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It's easier to go to your parents' house
and pull your brother’s 64 out of the attic.
by JI on May 2, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care how slow his friggin' bat is.
I just would like to see him, you know, not swing at the first friggin’ pitch he sees once in awhile…
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
wasn't his third AB last night
like 8 pitches or something? And I don’t think he swung at the first two.
the other angels fan
In his mind, he's swinging at the second pitch
that’s how slow his bat is ZING.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm amazed that he managed to draw a 0 pitch walk, then
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Clement's bat violates the law of nature AND baseball.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Jeff Clement's bat hurts this team by being slow.
I like midgets more than I should.
Bob Dole, Bob Dole, Bob Dole.. BobDole... bobdole....
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
I like midgets more than I should.
kittens and infants
are far more renewable than crude oil, so there should never be a panic about “Peak Kitten”.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Know that I'm flying my nerd flag here
but I was a kid when that first aired, and it scared the crap out of me.
the other angels fan
if we never allow the kittens and infants to age past 1
that won’t be an issue.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
What about bunny blood?
I mean, jeez, rabbits are way more notorious for their procreating.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
Finally..took you long enough to post this
Your posting is slow
I fucking hate you Mariners
is that your opinion
or a scout you seek info from?
Go Fo Broke!
The Internet creator Al Gore says Jeff Sullivan sucks at typing
That’s what I heard
I fucking hate you Mariners
Jeff Sullivan types.
You know who else typed?
Josef Stalin.
Does Jeff Sullivan keep lists of people loyal to him so he can contact them discretely?
Is Jeff Sullivan planning a great famine to kill millions of Ukrainians?
We don’t know.
He’s not saying.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
When was the last time you saw a Ukranian?
yeah, looks like Sullivan’s way ahead of you.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen Geoff Baker blog from my terrace club seats
That man is fast….and crazy animated in his key strokes
I fucking hate you Mariners
I endeavour to get ti right at all times
by Graham MacAree on May 2, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
You think this would encourage me to double check
what I type before I hit post.
by JI on May 2, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Today Logie is bashing park factors.
Fascinating stuff.
That would be entertaining.
He starts foaming at the mouth every time Dave Cameron blinks.
He could also once again regail us with tales
about how he saved a police office from getting his ass whooped by some young punk.
by JI on May 2, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So I should pick him up for my fantasy team?
I haven’t been around long enough to make that joke… but someone had to
by LongLiveTheKings on May 2, 2008 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
Rob Johnson
makes being a no-hit AAA catcher look good.
by Edgar for Pres on May 3, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
A request. Nay, a mandate...
I’m going to be saying that tonight to my GF. If you don’t hear from me on Monday, send a search party.
I like midgets more than I should.
Everything is in the last place you look
or else you’re a goddamn retard.
Hey I found my keys in the cupboard!
Maybe I can try to find more of my keys…
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
but how long did it take you to find the cupboards?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
was there a midget there too?
I fucking hate you Mariners
Stupid midget.
Stay the fuck away from my Trix.
I like midgets more than I should.
Dufrane...search party of 3
I fucking hate you Mariners
Bush, search party of three
you can eat once you find the Dufresnes.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 2, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No politics?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 2, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hope the Dufrenses aren't black......
I fucking hate you Mariners
He happily haunts us from the grave.
If I had known it would be free, I would have ordered…. nay, MANDATED a bigger sandwich.
I like midgets more than I should.
If I may offer a hypothesis
The source of Jeff Clement’s supposedly slow batspeed could have been due to graviational time dilation resulting from being near Vidro.
Alternative hypothesis
When Jeff Clement swings the bat, time slows down out of respect.
On this whole mess that took on a life to its own
I think this mangled game of blogosphere telephone is a microcosmic illustration of a bigger conundrum, that of blog readers and commenters taking thoughts and opinions of blog writers, blowing it up into something different and more concretely derisive than the authors intended, and suddenly you can’t have a conversation on the subject without the wall of distended dogmatic ivy that is the argument blown up into something other than it was intended to be falling down all over you the second you try to objectively discuss the issue.
I wish readers would be more objective with the material they receive, but likewise, the blogsphere is a microcosm of the world we live in. Misinterpretative stances are a byproduct. This is the world we live in, and we have to manage.
The Important Part
Jeff, I need to know. Do you have to mix the kitten and infant blood? If you can tweak that engine to use twice as much kitten blood I think we have something marketable here.
Nay, world changing….
So, uhh, can you get to work on that engine?
I got like 30 infants and 30 kittens over here and I don’t know what to do with them.
Go Nova
Start draining them slowly, but enough that they can replenish.
Blood holds well for a good time refrigerated.
You can create a stockpile, then you’ll be ahead of the curve, and when others run out of blood, you can even sell your leftovers for profit!

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