Series Preview: Seattle Mariners @ Detroit Tigers
Seattle: 18-27
Tigers: 17-27
GAMES
Game 1: Carlos Silva vs Justin Verlander
Game 2: Jarrod Washburn* vs Kenny Rogers*
Game 3: Miguel Batista vs Jeremy Bonderman
Not sure what's going on with Miguel and Jarrod and their rotation slots. The probable pitcher listing has Miguel in game two and game three TBA and since there is an offday Monday the M's could turn to Bedard on game three. But do they have a reason to skip Washburn? No, I mean a reason the Mariners would actually employ? Sucking doesn't cut it with this group.
Justin Verlander was never as good as most people thought after his 18-win season last year and Jeremy Bonderman has been nutters for a few years now. All in all, these match ups look a lot more scary than they actually are.
Likely Starters:
C Ivan Rodriguez
1 Miguel Cabrera
2 Placido Polanco
3 Carlos Guillen
S Edgar Renteria
L Matthew Joyce
C Curtis Granderson
R Magglio Ordonez
D Gary Sheffield
The Tigers problems haven't been in scoring runs. This is a legitimately scary lineup, even Matthew Joyce (who?) is raking the ball. Seeing the slate of pitchers we have going against them, there is good reason to enjoy that winning streak now before this series begins.
CONTEXT
For Jeff Clement/Jeremy Reed/Jose Vidro related hilarity look toward Jeff's post on the matter. The only part that I'll add is something that came to me this morning; that if the Mariners were actually a little smarter and went with Raul at DH and Reed in LF for the foreseeable future, that either sets the stage quite well for the 2009 offseason or sets us up for utter ruin.
Raul at DH is good, he's worth keeping around in that role, worth extending even, though not for more than two years. Reed would be a solid 4th outfielder who might not kill you as a starter, Willie makes a good bench player as the pinch-runner, backup middle infielder and 5th outfielder. Raul takes up the 6th outfield spot. That leaves backup catcher, backup corner infielder and backup masher as spots to fill. Not difficult to do.
That basically leaves just signing Teixeira (and poking around for a LFer better than Reed) as the only move you have to make next winter (leaving aside the sign Felix, Bedard, Beltre issues) to end up with a solid offensive and defensive team. Problem is, Raul is now firmly entrenched at DH, so...Clement? The brilliant offseason sees us either deal off Johjima or dump Burke and go with a 50/50 split in time behind the dish between Clement and Joh. The catastrophic scenario sees Bavasi trade Clement for Griffey, wherein one (or god forbid more) of {Griffey, Ibanez} is plying trade in the field.
WOOOO! Two-game winning streak! Off-Day! House season finale! This calls for lots of beer!
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Breakfast Stout
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That's right, a beer for each game of the series. If you like coffee taste in your beer, similar to a Kona Porter, than you'll love this. The name is spot on here, if you are going to have beer before noon, this is a perfect one.
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Is there any explanation as to Verlander's declining velocity?
His FB has averaged only 92.9mph this year versus ~95mph in his previous seasons. Is he likely hurt, even though he’s denying it?
by Alex B on May 19, 2008 10:25 AM PDT 0 recs
The Tigers continue to deny that he's hurt
but I’m not so sure I believe them. Either way, he’s fucked for a while.
by Jeff on
May 19, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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Yeah
Very few guys can comfortably throw 100 for an extended period of time without their arm gradually shredding.
by Gomez on
May 19, 2008 2:57 PM PDT
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OH MY GOD WHY DO YOU GUYS DRINK SO MUCH BEER?
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 19, 2008 10:44 AM PDT 0 recs
HEY LOOK AT ME ME MARINERS FAN ME GET TO DRINK BEER
AND DRIVE DRUNK AND KILL EVERYBODY HEHEHEHOOHOOHOO
by JI on
May 19, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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Ive puked on my mayors lawn on the town i live in
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
by wadswerth on
May 19, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
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I downed a quater of a fifth of Barcardi last night
While just staring at that ALCS picture that Jeff posted during the Yankee series a few weekends ago. And was working on a FanPost where I tried to write out the lyrics to “Goodbye Yellow brick Road ” until my friends confiscated my laptop.
by Robert on
May 19, 2008 5:38 PM PDT
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Churchill thinks Clement will be traded.
I’m kind of glad we’ve given up on the idea of Griffey as our DH.
by JI on May 19, 2008 10:44 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm not sure he actually thinks that.
But I am pretty afraid of it.
by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
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You know, given that Joh is probably servicable for the next couple of years
and then we have a few catchers in the minors (say, Adam Moore), I’m not entirely opposed to trading Clement. I just don’t trust Bill Bavasi to get anything worthwhile in return for him.
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 11:07 AM PDT
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Let me change it to:
he strongly implied that it would happen before he got a real shot
by JI on
May 19, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
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Maybe I'm overeacting
but that’s what I took from his comment.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 11:12 AM PDT
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I assume so.
The Johjima signing makes no sense otherwise. I don’t see how they could keep him if they want to, other than at DH where he’s less useful.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 19, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
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I see Clement as a Darren Daulton typr player
(minus being bat-shit crazy, of course), if he’s moved to DH or 1B, he basically turns into Paul Sorrento. We know the Mariners aren’t going to put up with four years where there’s catcher controversy. We also know they don’t cut ties with veterans until they completely roll of the edge of a cliff, and even then typically only in the last year of a contract. This leads me to believe that it’s only a matter of time until Clement is moved for something useful (or something perceived as useful) to plug up a hole on the roster for an 09 run. The only hope I think we have of keeping him is if the scapegoating of Kenji continues (which has its own racist overtones that are a different discussion altogether), the clubhouse sours and he is run out of town this offseason.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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Don't forget the possibility there's a new front office
this winter.
by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 11:34 AM PDT
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How much different could they be from the old one?
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
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I'm all for someone convincing they can make Lincoln and Chucky more money
I just don’t see it given their absolute contempt for any school of thought post-1980.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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It's a highly variable thing.
Gillick left, he really wasn’t fired, and he left at the perceived height of the team, after the ‘03 season, so we really haven’t seen what the higher ups would do in response to needing a new front office to radically alter the team. In their minds, they didn’t need a departure from Gillick when they hired Bavasi, why would they? They’d just won some 400 games over the last four years and were raking in tons of money.
If the Ms bottom out and win 70-odd games this year and attendance stays low, do we know what Lincoln and Chuck will look for? I don’t doubt that the number one priority for both of them is to make money first, win games second (or third or Xth), but I also don’t think they’re stupid. It’s unlikely they got to the position they’re at by being bad businessmen, and good businessmen don’t see a failing strategy, fire the guy who implemented it, and then hire someone who’s going to use that same strategy.
I’m not saying it’s likely we get a Freidman-style overhaul, just that it’s possible, and it really all begins with that one hire.
by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 12:30 PM PDT
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I just don't think they know what good baseball stratgey is
and I am worried they they may just think they were “unlucky” this year. And I worried they think hiring a “nerd” isn’t PR savvy, especially after they have their broadcasters openly mock the methods that successful teams use to win.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
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The Royals and Pirates figured things out
that’s enough to give me at least a glimmer of hope.
by Jeff on
May 19, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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They don't need to identify good baseball strategy to hire a good baseball strategist
I highly doubt things like replacement level come up in GM interviews. It’ll be about the new GM convincing them that his way is the best way to make the team financially healthy in the long run.
by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
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Hopefully.
Hopefully they’re not just stubborn old men.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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I don't think they're stubborn about the baseball side of things.
I just think that $$ = everything to them.
If the team sucks and attendance reflects that…
by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 12:42 PM PDT
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The attendiance has yet to become dire.
If it does, yeah I see people getting fired. I’m a bit surprised McLaren hasn’t been fired yet.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:44 PM PDT
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I know we joke that this team's management can't get much worse
and then we say “just wait” and point to McLaren as Hargrove’s replacement or something. But it won’t be much longer before this team actually can’t get much worse. Clement is probably going to be traded, Beltre may not be re-signed… I’m actually not sure how much worse a new FO could be? Beyond trading Felix, there isn’t much else they can do. There are so few players left that even matter.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 19, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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Refusing to draft Strasburg if they get the chance would be pretty entertaining
by Graham on
May 19, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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Stop being so optimistic about the Mariners winning games
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
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If "optimism" = "winning more than the Giants" then I guess that makes me an optimist
I feel like I’m missing out on the warm fuzzies, though.
by Jeff on
May 19, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
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The Giants are playing out of their fuking minds right now.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:20 PM PDT
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The Padres are nothing to write home about either
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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If Peavy's hurt bad, then they too enter the fray
we’re bad, but we’re not bad enough.
by Jeff on
May 19, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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damn the NL and their really crappy teams
and really good teams.
by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
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It feels strange when interleague games aren't automatic losses.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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referencing my non-Mariner fandom of course
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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I should also point out
that there’s always a chance that the other teams will pass on Strasburg if another prospect emerges between now and next June. The Padres would almost certainly select him, given that he’s worth of #1 already, is from SD, and is a lifelong Padres fan. If you’re going to make the #1 pick in the draft and there’s a kid like that sitting there, it’s a great PR move and a good baseball move.
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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like Lincecum would have been >:(
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by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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It's like a giant wall of tears.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
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Can you imagine a rotation headed by Bedard, Felix and Lincecum?
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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Doesn't mean that trade dosen't get made.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:51 PM PDT
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And also doesn't mean it wouldn't be awesome
and yes, I’d rather have Adam Jones. And GS52. And hell, Chris Tillman and Tony Butler too. But Baltimore can keep Kam Mickolio if they care that much.
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
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Like people hating mechanics actually means anything
by Graham on
May 19, 2008 3:18 PM PDT
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Well, the obvious question becomes then
do you think his mechanics leave him more susceptible to injuries down the road?
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 3:20 PM PDT
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I have no idea
Nobody else does either. It looks like they should, but we just can’t tell.
by Graham on
May 19, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
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They're friendly and fix his car promptly
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
May 19, 2008 3:30 PM PDT
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Giants players have really nice cars.
Totally not gamer cars.
by Matthew on
May 19, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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What's a gamer car?
2004 Kia Sonata?
1998 Honda Accord (the non-riced kind)?
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 3:34 PM PDT
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Ahem (I tried finding an angry picture of Zito, but he's too much of a gamer to be angry)

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
May 19, 2008 3:34 PM PDT
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Also, I'm sure Bocock drives a Jalopy
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
May 19, 2008 3:34 PM PDT
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Bocock is not a Giant anymore
but soon, he’ll be a Mariner
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 3:35 PM PDT
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Well he sure doesn't drive a baseball anywhere
Ho ho ho
by Alex B on
May 19, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
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What about Francisco Liriano's mechanics?
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
May 19, 2008 3:21 PM PDT
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Hate the injury history and trace it back to the mechanics
Hating the mechanics is stupid
by Graham on
May 19, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
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Why wouldn't you hate the mechanics for causing the injury history?
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
May 19, 2008 3:23 PM PDT
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Because you can't tell pre injury whether pitching mechanics are going to hurt someone
by Graham on
May 19, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
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So, less hate, more feel concern for?
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on
May 19, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
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you're doing the Internet wrong
it’s ok to hate things about which we know nothing. That’s what the internet was based on. That and porn.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
May 19, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
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Yeah, that guy SUCKS.
wait, what?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on
May 19, 2008 4:09 PM PDT
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A Strasburg collapse/injury is much more likely than another Strasburg-level talent appearing
by Graham on
May 19, 2008 12:27 PM PDT
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All I'm saying is that there's a lot of time between now and the draft
and even though right now, he’s certainly the top guy who would be draft eligible, you never know.
by seattlebruin on
May 19, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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They're going to hit better eventually.
still needs more Bonds
by JI on
May 19, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
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