Jeff Clement Back To Tacoma
No word yet on who's coming up. The best-case scenario is Jeremy Reed at LF and Raul Ibanez at DH, while the worst case scenario is Bryan Lahair at anything.
Bavasi had his reasons for promoting Clement when he did, but he was striking out entirely too often and just didn't look very comfortable, so he's heading down to AAA for more seasoning. Which will give us that additional year of team control we feared we had lost a few weeks ago. And I think that has to be considered good news.
See you soon, Jeff.
Update: sounds like Reed, although we don't know what his role would be. Presumably something stupid.
Update #2: Something stupid indeed.
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Reed deserves a shot
He’s still at best a 4th outfielder in the league, but it’s not like the Mariners need another 1B/DH. Plus if this gets the Mariners to actually DH Raul that’s even better.
by nfreakct on May 18, 2008 4:17 PM PDT 0 recs
Yeah...
We DH’d Raul today, and look what happened.
We won. Granted, WFB was in his spot…
but it’s the idea.
Maybe someone is taking notes.
by lyleleander on
May 18, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
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LaHair was in the lineup. Reed was not.
I had been wondering why it looked like they had shuffled the catchers around for the D-Jaxx game today. Now we know.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/
by JY on May 18, 2008 4:19 PM PDT 0 recs
Not just in Seattle...
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/
by JY on
May 18, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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This is a fantastic move
I’m sure it will be counter-balanced by stupidity tomorrow when we find out who gets called up and where that person is going to play.
Keep an eye on: Feierabend with Batista or Wash to the D/L.
by Matthew on May 18, 2008 4:19 PM PDT 0 recs
soon I mean, that's unrelated to the Clement demotion.
by Matthew on
May 18, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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I'm trying to figure out why they took him out after 3IP in his last start
to save him for the big club, or just a precaution…
by marc w on
May 19, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
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Was he looking bad?
He gave up some offense in those 3 innings.
by Gomez on
May 19, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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No, what happened was
he got hit with a line drive through the box.
It didn’t hit HIM, per se – it actually hit his glove. I think that had more to do with it than his poor showing; he wasn’t THAT bad. Still, it sounded like the ‘injury’ wasn’t serious at all. At the time, I thought it didn’t really make sense to take him out, but if they want him ready to come up, well, that would supply some context for that decision that I didn’t have at the time.
by marc w on
May 19, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
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Vidro back to DH
From the tacoma tribune blog: “Manager John McLaren said Jose Vidro will return to the starting DH role. Vidro delivered a key pinch single in the eighth in Sunday’s game that helped fuel the Mariners’ game-winning rally.”
meh. so much for a ‘dream’ combo of ibanez DH/reed LF
by AtomicGarden on May 18, 2008 4:27 PM PDT 0 recs
With Reed up though, maybe it'll take a week of Vidro sucking until they take him out of the line up
or am I being too optimistic?
by Fin on
May 18, 2008 4:34 PM PDT
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Maybe not
The Mariners have actually shown this season, if something isn’t working, they’re going to fuck around with it. A lot of the decisions they made have been somewhat… iffy, but at least they have consistently tried to shake it up. I guess that’s a good thing.
by AtomicGarden on
May 18, 2008 4:37 PM PDT
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When Clement came up they believed Vidro was benchable
since that day, Vidro has hit .200.
Now he’s starting again.
by Jeff on
May 18, 2008 4:42 PM PDT
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It's that damn vesting option
If they don’t give him a shot at it he’ll probably go to the Union and/or the media and raise holy hell, and it’d probably rip up the clubhouse.
by Gomez on
May 18, 2008 6:03 PM PDT
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It would be so horrible to do that to our amazing team chemistry
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 18, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
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Not a good argument
Vidro was already technically benched.
by Jeff on
May 18, 2008 6:32 PM PDT
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How could he do that?
If you build an option into the contract based on plate appearances, it kind of indirectly states that the player has to play well enough to earn the plate appearances. If he doesn’t perform, he doesn’t play, his option doesn’t vest. Plate appearances can be a performance-based incentive.
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by BrettJMiller on
May 18, 2008 6:48 PM PDT
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He would have a pretty crappy case for raising a stink
Because his performance has been god awful
by OlSalty on
May 18, 2008 7:22 PM PDT
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Could that mean a Wlad/Reed platoon in right?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/
by JY on
May 18, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
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As long as Raul is here
I don’t forsee a situation where they take Raul off the field because of the whole “Raul prefers playing on the field” thing.
With that said, I think we will see more similar things like today. Instead of Willie = LF and Raul = DH, we’ll see Reed out there.
I’m not bothered by Vidro getting the start again cause I know it will only last as long as he’s hitting. Thanks to lineup construction, they don’t exactly have a lineup that keeps Vidro on the bench. They need to take what they can get at this point.
by ThundaPC on
May 18, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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I thought Raul was open to DHing.
I think the problem is that the Mariners either simply don’t think he’s that bad, or that LF defense barely matters.
by JI on
May 18, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
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I am hoping they become somewhat competitive again
and they see more of an need for outfield defense.
by Fin on
May 18, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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Raul was the starting DH in 2005.
Raul told Geoff Baker that he thought he was going to be the DH this year last offseason.
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by BrettJMiller on
May 18, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
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Argh...
"Manager John McLaren said Jose Vidro will return to the starting DH role. Vidro delivered a key pinch single in the eighth in Sunday’s game that helped fuel the Mariners’ game-winning rally."

Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on
May 19, 2008 1:25 AM PDT
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I imagine Reed with be the new Jimerson
he might get a little more playing time, but who knows.
One thing that makes me optimistic is that Mac did give Reed some decent playing time last September.
FREE JEREMY REED!!
by MFAN on May 18, 2008 4:28 PM PDT 0 recs
They're going to let Vidro's option vest, aren't they?
He’s going to get the 400 or 450 At Bats he needs for that 8 million dollar pay day next year. Crapsticks and weaksauce.
Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack
by Frosty Raptor on May 18, 2008 4:41 PM PDT 0 recs
This is good....
It was a nice experiment to see if the team could make up some games, but it’s pretty clear that unless a miracle happens, this team is toast. May as well get back that year of service time.
Predicting anything with this team is folly though. I’d bet my house that WFB or Cairo will be the starting LF while Reed becomes the 4th outfielder. They never seem to do what makes sense.
by PLU Tim on May 18, 2008 4:43 PM PDT 0 recs
So what has changed that's convinced them that Vidro can cut it as a DH now?
by OlSalty on May 18, 2008 4:48 PM PDT 0 recs
The fact that we don't really have anything else available?
by ThundaPC on
May 18, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
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Vidro can't even hit for average anymore
He should not be in the major leagues at all
by OlSalty on
May 18, 2008 5:19 PM PDT
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I have more value offensively then Willie.
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on
May 18, 2008 5:01 PM PDT
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and Cairo
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on
May 18, 2008 4:57 PM PDT
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Good.
I’m sure that’s exactly what his parents wanted. JI to think about handjobs when hearing their son’s name. Finally their goal has been reached.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 18, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
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Well...
Fine….
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...
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Fuck.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 18, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
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Hehe
As did the Lincecums.
"Be prepared to be fucked by the long dick of the law." - Officer Slater.
by butthol on
May 18, 2008 9:25 PM PDT
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Tuglett
BTW he’s on a hot streak lately, having bumped his Tacoma average into the .220s. I’m sure you’re excited.
by Gomez on
May 18, 2008 8:12 PM PDT
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That third guy looks like a douchebag.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 18, 2008 6:33 PM PDT
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He prefers dirt badge.
"Be prepared to be fucked by the long dick of the law." - Officer Slater.
by butthol on
May 18, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
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The 2nd man from right is nothing resembling an option
by Gomez on
May 18, 2008 6:04 PM PDT
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Willie in left and Raul at DH makes this team way better
by Jeff on
May 18, 2008 6:32 PM PDT
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Oh I was thinking Willie as DH option
Willie in LF and Raul at DH at least makes some sense
by Gomez on
May 18, 2008 7:24 PM PDT
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This team can't find a DH who can OPS better than .546?
He’s slugging under .300 for christsakes, just about anyone would be better than him right now.
Raul should be our full time DH, Reed should be our fulltime LF, Vidro should be DFA’ed, he has no value whatsoever.
by OlSalty on
May 18, 2008 5:22 PM PDT
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Woo Reed!
Too bad he will sit on the bench. What does this do to Clement option wise? or does it work like that for him?
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 18, 2008 4:57 PM PDT 0 recs
No effect...
Options are actually Option Years, and since he started in Triple-A, he’s already used an option year.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on
May 18, 2008 5:10 PM PDT
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thanks
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on
May 18, 2008 6:16 PM PDT
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That kid just brightened up the whole situation
Too many puppies....
by amanalone11 on
May 18, 2008 5:42 PM PDT
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Vidro again!?!
Seriously. At least help our fucking defense Bavasi/Mac … UGH!
by phil333 on May 18, 2008 6:28 PM PDT 0 recs
What do people think about Reed now?
He’s putting up a pretty fantastic year in AAA. .348/.410/.560 with more BB than K and 6 HR in 141 AB and 6/1 SB/CS. Is he just on a hot streak or is he actually turning a corner?
by Edgar for Pres on May 18, 2008 6:51 PM PDT 0 recs
Whatever he is, this is as good as he's ever going to be
no better time to call him up and…sit him on the bench, I guess.
by Jeff on
May 18, 2008 6:54 PM PDT
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Either way, that plus shifting Ibanez to DH and improving our OF def would make me :)
now we just need to recognize that’d be the smart thing to do…
by Edgar for Pres on
May 18, 2008 8:06 PM PDT
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I'd be excited with 260/320/400 if it meant Raul didn't play LF and got shifted to DH
by Edgar for Pres on
May 18, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
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How big of an upgrade do we think Reed is over Raul in LF?
25 runs? 35? More? Given that we’ve called Raul -20 or worse, and Reed projects somewhere a little above average…
by seattlebruin on
May 18, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
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I'd guess
Reed is avg defensively and Raul is -20 runs (+/-5 runs for both). Then Raul is probably +20 runs with his bat while Reed is probably -5 runs.
by Edgar for Pres on
May 18, 2008 9:28 PM PDT
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I was hoping you'd nail "significant" and misspell "hey"
by Jeff on
May 18, 2008 9:48 PM PDT
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I alrerady gave in to the ultimate JI bait
I have to draw the line somewhere.
by JI on
May 18, 2008 9:51 PM PDT
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We'd still probably have a below average LF/DH combo
Don’t get too excited.
by Edgar for Pres on
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