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5/14: Open Game Thread, Part 3

We may be on the verge of blowing this lead but hey at least the Stars are doomed.

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I'd give Utley Beltre's contract

Except he’s already like 30 right?

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by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd give Utley 15-17 million per year over 4 years or so.

He’s really really good.

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Age? Someone said he's already 30 right?

Plus he plays in a band box.

Maybe if he were a few years younger?

I don’t know you guys are better at this than me.

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So given the length of his contract

how many, if any, years will he be overpaid? And is that acceptable?

I’ve wondered about this for a while. There seems to be a consensus (in the stat community) that if you are going to overpay, overpay for the superstar talents. Another consensus is that you should try to keep the length of contracts short, especially for pitchers. But how much “overpaying” is ok when it comes to length of a contract?

by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's any set equation

if the player fits, he fits. So, for instance, were Utley a free agent, it would make more sense for, say, Tampa Bay to give him a massive contract than for Pittsburgh to do the same, because the upside for the Rays would stand a pretty good chance of making the eventual overpayment worthwhile.

by Jeff on May 14, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fuck.

As soon as i wake up and turn on the game, they lose the lead.

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn you Jeff.

I had a witty retort, and you closed comments.

by Faux on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and that's ballgame

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lead lost.

It is accomplished.

by esoteric on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FEWER than Two outs you cunt drippings!

In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.

by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's always up when you least want him

It’s Murphy’s Law

In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.

by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

It was set up on a tee

In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.

by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mavs have been doomed

for a long time too.

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by Hit4TheCycle on May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To follow up

You should take player-park factors into account in that those factors contribute to a player’s contributions, which is the only thing that matters when judging a contract. You don’t say a contract is more or less fair based on a player’s skills regardless of park factors, because those park factors are unavoidable in their effect on his performance.

by vkut79 on May 14, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I’m just saying its not awesome

by vkut79 on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure I can think of one better.

Unless you want to count Bret Boone because he helped get us to the playoffs.

by Matthew on May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

in terms of production, no doubt

but w/o Boone how much worse are we 2001-3?

by Matthew on May 14, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

In terms of impact, Boone was huge. In terms of raw production, Beltre ranks higher.

by BrianL on May 14, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Boone was better over those three years than Beltre has been by an insane margin

by Graham on May 14, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Including defense....

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Should’ve won MVP over Ichiro. Screw Giambi.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Boone: 153 OPS+ in Safeco, 2B defense
A-Rod: 160 OPS+ in Arlington, SS defense

I know park factors are part of OPS+ but I’m not completely sold that OPS+ completely removes the bias for players who play in extreme parks.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a look at the numbers later

but I’ll concede you’re probably right, since you’re Graham and all.

by BrianL on May 14, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically

If you have two equal hitters except one is RH and the other is LH, and give them equal contracts to play at Safeco, the left-handed contract is a better value

by vkut79 on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See but what you're misunderstanding is this.

If Beltre hits .270/.320/.480 with gold glove defense in Safeco, and .290/.340/.500 anywhere else, the park does take away from his numbers. However, it takes away from the numbers of EVERYONE who plays in Safeco, therefore a .270/.320/.480 line in Safeco is just as valuable as a .290/.340/.500 anywhere else.

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The music operator

Is also the PA guy and more or less the PR manager. Chuck Morgan does a lot of things. As much as I like him, though, I have to agree. The sound selection is horrid.

by BudLight on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

EVERY PLAYER THE RANGERS HAVE IS THE NATURAL

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I personally hate the 3 ball count music the most.

Since the Mariners let Rangers get into 3 ball counts a lot.

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are the options for NHL in Seattle?

The Nucks?

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by Hit4TheCycle on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Likelihood of an NHL team leaving a large Canadian = vanishingly small

by cyberwulf on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

Large Canadian city

by cyberwulf on May 14, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also.

Fuck the misappropriation of Beethoven’s 5th

In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.

by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding!

I mean, hell, Beethoven’s 5th is only a 3rd.

What a frickin’ ripoff.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not even an important one

It’s just a minor third

In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.

by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wlad! :)

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wlad!

Man, these TX announcers are annoying (Listening via XM)

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WLAD!!!!!!

WFuck you WRangers

In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.

by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How much would you give Matt Kemp in 2 years?

Same goes for the Dodgers catcher, forget his name, brain fart right now.
And James Loney, man that team has some good young talent.

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by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WLAD!!!!!!!!!!

Wilkerson breaks every bone in his body trying that dive.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Defense? What happened?

I’ve only got Gameday pitch-by-pitch.

by BrianL on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woo Clement!!!

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If so...

...greatest game thread ever?

by JI on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JC rules.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Clement's hitting for the cycle...

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nvm

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't, would lose the DH

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on May 14, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubles woo

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

CLEMENT!!!!

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is why we still watch.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap Clement all of a sudden morphed into WFB

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Clement!

We don’t need the worst player in baseball!

by BrianL on May 14, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The ball seems to fly in Texas no matter what time it is

Can’t say the same about the parks on the west coast at night…

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by Hit4TheCycle on May 14, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was a gritty groundout

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

fucking christ

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 14, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

#1 DRAFT PICK!!!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on May 14, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm too excited for this.

It’s kind of sad that our season is already over but the anguish I’m enduring wondering if we can suck just enough is bothersome.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on May 14, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you trade away Clement for the rights to him?

Not that it’s possible, but since you love Jeff so much…

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on May 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

I’d think about it. I’m currently trying to buy a Strasburg SDSU jersey though…

by Graham on May 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a link to that?

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on May 14, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here. Not working for some people though.

by Graham on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Runner at 3rd 1 out and no score?

It’s all over the majors!

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by Hit4TheCycle on May 14, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Your DH, WFB

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Putz In, Game Over

But not that way.

Oh, wait, Lowe in for the Lowdown…

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just started watching.

What the fuck happened to Morrow in the 7th?

by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He went to play on the Stars

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by Hit4TheCycle on May 14, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Married Life:

Wife: “But I thought Modano was the best player on the team! That’s why he’s always on TV and stuff”
Me: “Well, you see…nevermind, I need another beer.”

by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad move by Washington earlier

Vazquez would be a lock to win this

by Jeff on May 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HOLY SHIT

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wtf

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on May 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was awesome

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

huh?

nice play by Cairo

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy fuck a duck

That was awesome

In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.

by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

See fuck those "statistics"

Our defense is awesome. We’ll show up on webgems, the true qualification of a good defense.

by dkulich on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, we got out of it.

im shocked

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rangers to Mariners:

You’re going to win this effing game, and you’re going to like it!

by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

just woke up..

was this an exciting 3-3 game, or the more likely painful type?

although I did wake up to catch that Cairo double play, thought I was in the twilight zone or something

by AtomicGarden on May 14, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you still feel things when watching the mariners

you haven’t been paying attention. So that being said, it was a [NUMB] game.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 14, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some odd reason, I still get excited/pissed off watching this team

Although my heart isn’t all the way in it. That 13-12 game on Monday evoked emotion (or shock) I didn’t know I had left for the M’s. Watching a doomed team is comforting, somehow.

by AtomicGarden on May 14, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having a debate with my brother...

Who is the Mariners best hitter?

At least we don't have Zito's contract.

by ColeFitz on May 14, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say Raul

then Beltre

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 14, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends...

Ichiro probably. But Beltre or Ibanez for power

by basebliman on May 14, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duh...

HR and RBI. That’s why it’s called the Triple Crown.

by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still

You could argue that Ichiro is our best hitter. He gets 200 hits a year (a lot of which is due to speed and beating out grounders), although he rarely walks. Meh… it’s debatable.

by AtomicGarden on May 14, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washburn

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, someone said that Mac has no position players left

does that mean he used his only two bench players (WFB and Burke) for a combined pinch running jaunt?

by seattlebruin on May 14, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wtf loafie?

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where was that!?

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Touche

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else compare Yuni and Lopez

to Michael Boulware and Ken Hamlin? Two young guys up the middle that looked like they could be awesome, but just ended up sucking/being about average or just below

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamlin made the Pro Bowl last year...

not that means a whole lot. I think he got overrated because he plays next to the turnstile that is Roy Williams pass coverage.

by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was because he was on the Cowboys

I always see him getting beat deep. Plus Lopez made the all-star game a few years back…

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by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welker abused Hamlin last year

It was Glorious

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on May 14, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not as bad as he did Reeves (Nickel CB)

But, let’s be honest, Welker abused just about everyone last year.

by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only play I really remember

Is hamiln trying to call a audible then running up to the line to only watch welker run right by him for a easy TD

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on May 14, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was under the impression that they're the same player

terrible in coverage and awesome hitters who have ridiculously over-inflated reps because of a few highlight reel hits

by seattlebruin on May 14, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Willams doesn't even hit hard anymore.

Trust me, Roy Williams is a lot worse at his job than Hamlin is at his.

by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Hamlin is a pro-bowler!!

Yeah, kind of. I had really high hopes for Boulware after how awesome he was in 2005. So go find us a russell/grant

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please not Russell

Russell is like Bloomquist

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on May 14, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Babineaux is the Bloomquist of the Seahawks--versatile, bad, fan favorite, makes a few good plays.

I nominate Babs for only playing late in the 4th quarter vs. the Cowboys.

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by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, we agree

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by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Death to Babs.

I sure hope Wilson is healthy this season.

by BrianL on May 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, more like a cairo

Veteran, Bloomquist is a Babineaux, plays Saftey #2 corner, dime, nickel, all adequatley one or two plays at a time

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by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

adequately

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by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes Mike Green Ben Broussard

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ

Gameday shows that ball was almost hit out.

by BrianL on May 14, 2008 2:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

At least if WFB pitches..

It’s not like we lose much by not having a DH

Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!

by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WFB pinch ran and is out

Joh is still DH

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 14, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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