5/14: Open Game Thread, Part 3
We may be on the verge of blowing this lead but hey at least the Stars are doomed.
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I'd give Utley Beltre's contract
Except he’s already like 30 right?
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by LantermanC on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT 0 recs
I'd give Utley 15-17 million per year over 4 years or so.
He’s really really good.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on
May 14, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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And the first born children of every family in the Northwest
by Graham on
May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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Age? Someone said he's already 30 right?
Plus he plays in a band box.
Maybe if he were a few years younger?
I don’t know you guys are better at this than me.
Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on
May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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Chase Utley is a 29 year old good defensive 2B with four consecutive .300+ EqA seasons
by Jeff on
May 14, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
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Fair enough. I don't know much about the aging curves for 2B so I have no idea how long he can maintain.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on
May 14, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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So given the length of his contract
how many, if any, years will he be overpaid? And is that acceptable?
I’ve wondered about this for a while. There seems to be a consensus (in the stat community) that if you are going to overpay, overpay for the superstar talents. Another consensus is that you should try to keep the length of contracts short, especially for pitchers. But how much “overpaying” is ok when it comes to length of a contract?
by GhettoBear04 on
May 14, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
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I don't think there's any set equation
if the player fits, he fits. So, for instance, were Utley a free agent, it would make more sense for, say, Tampa Bay to give him a massive contract than for Pittsburgh to do the same, because the upside for the Rays would stand a pretty good chance of making the eventual overpayment worthwhile.
by Jeff on
May 14, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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fuck.
As soon as i wake up and turn on the game, they lose the lead.
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Damn you Jeff.
I had a witty retort, and you closed comments.
by Faux on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT 0 recs
FEWER than Two outs you cunt drippings!
In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.
by rlintott on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Coach Owens is going to get his championship before any of us
by Robert on May 14, 2008 1:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Coach Owens is going to think he gets his championship before any of us
by Robert on
May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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Actually you have yours
whats it feel like to not end in failure?
by Robert on
May 14, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
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It's nice being better than someone who is cleary better than you.
Plus, I’ve been around since the Joe Torre years. Coach is a Wings bandwagoner.
by JI on
May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
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I wont remember the week following my first
Because I’ll likely be long dead.
by Robert on
May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
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I fail to understand how the Wings still playing is an improvement
Northeastern University Huskies: Mediocre hockey, guaranteed.
by Carl Johnson on
May 14, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
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He's always up when you least want him
It’s Murphy’s Law
In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.
by rlintott on
May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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I'm sorry
It was set up on a tee
In the name of the Bedard, the Felix, and the Ichiro, amen.
by rlintott on
May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
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The Mavs have been doomed
for a long time too.
All Games and Comments are Subject to Blackout
by Hit4TheCycle on May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT 0 recs
I'll be sure to send you all
NBA scores next year.
by GhettoBear04 on
May 14, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
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To follow up
You should take player-park factors into account in that those factors contribute to a player’s contributions, which is the only thing that matters when judging a contract. You don’t say a contract is more or less fair based on a player’s skills regardless of park factors, because those park factors are unavoidable in their effect on his performance.
by vkut79 on May 14, 2008 1:34 PM PDT 0 recs
"Has there every been a long term contract that has worked out?"
Yes. Beltre.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on
May 14, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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Potentially one of the best FA signings in club history?
by BrianL on
May 14, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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Not sure I can think of one better.
Unless you want to count Bret Boone because he helped get us to the playoffs.
by Matthew on
May 14, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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in terms of production, no doubt
but w/o Boone how much worse are we 2001-3?
by Matthew on
May 14, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
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Agreed
In terms of impact, Boone was huge. In terms of raw production, Beltre ranks higher.
by BrianL on
May 14, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
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I disagree
Boone was better over those three years than Beltre has been by an insane margin
by Graham on
May 14, 2008 1:42 PM PDT
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Including defense....
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by PositivePaul on
May 14, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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Bret Boone was an outstanding defensive second baseman until he hit the wall in 04
by Graham on
May 14, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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Yes.
Should’ve won MVP over Ichiro. Screw Giambi.
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by PositivePaul on
May 14, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
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No.
Boone: 153 OPS+ in Safeco, 2B defense
A-Rod: 160 OPS+ in Arlington, SS defense
I know park factors are part of OPS+ but I’m not completely sold that OPS+ completely removes the bias for players who play in extreme parks.
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by PositivePaul on
May 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
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The part about OPS bias, that is.
I’d probably pick A-Rod, though.
by eponymous_coward on
May 14, 2008 2:25 PM PDT
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On offense it's a wash
Defensively, Boone destroys him
by Graham on
May 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
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I'll take a look at the numbers later
but I’ll concede you’re probably right, since you’re Graham and all.
by BrianL on
May 14, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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I don't know what this comment means but you are wrong
by Jeff on
May 14, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
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basically
If you have two equal hitters except one is RH and the other is LH, and give them equal contracts to play at Safeco, the left-handed contract is a better value
by vkut79 on
May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
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This doesn't change the fact that Beltre has been good
by Jeff on
May 14, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
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I'm just responding to a specific point about park effect and contract evaluation
This is not specifically related to whether or not Beltre’s contract is worth it.
by vkut79 on
May 14, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
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