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April 12:

"Defense is a big part of our game, and we have been really sloppy,'' McLaren said. "It is something we take pride in. We have to do a better job. When it is your strength and it works as your weakness, that's not good."

Bottom 1

Ian Kinsler hits a sharp groundball to Adrian Beltre's left. Beltre picks the ball, then bobbles it, and by the time he recovers and throws to first, Kinsler is safe.

Bottom 2

Brandon Boggs sends a line drive into left field in the vicinity of Raul Ibanez, but Ibanez is slow in pursuit, eventually diving and having the ball tip off his glove for a double. The next batter - Gerald Laird - bounces a grounder right by a backhanding Yuniesky Betancourt at short for an RBI single.

Bottom 3

With two on and one out, David Murphy chops a could-be 4-6-3 grounder to Jose Lopez, but Lopez sits back instead of charging the ball, and Murphy beats out the throw to first for a fielder's choice.

Bottom 4

With men on the corners, Felix puts a fastball in the dirt right behind the plate that bounces away from Kenji Johjima, allowing a runner to score and the other to advance to second.

Bottom 6

Gerald Laird hits a line drive single into left field, but Raul Ibanez fumbles the ball, allowing Laird to advance to second.

Bottom 8

With one down, Gerald Laird chops a grounder to Yuniesky Betancourt, but the throw to first pulls Miguel Cairo off the bag. Later, with two on, Ramon Vazquez sharply grounds a single into right to load the bases, but the ball sneaks under Wladimir Balentien's glove, allowing everyone to advance and making it a 4-2 ballgame.

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Eight miscues. Seven if you think Yuni didn't have a chance on Laird's single. Seven or eight miscues that cost the Mariners four or five outs and 13 or 14 bases. While we obviously can't know for sure, one could make a pretty convincing argument that, had the Mariners played good team defense tonight,  the Rangers would've only score one run. Instead they scored five and won by a comfortable margin.

Generally when I criticize this team's defense, I'm referring to its overall lack of range, but these guys also seem to make way too many stupid little mistakes on routine plays. Tonight we saw the worst of both worlds. Beltre probably should've made that play in the first. A real left fielder catches Boggs' fly in the second. A better shortstop might then pick Laird's grounder and throw him out at first. A more aggressive second baseman turns Murphy's grounder into a double play. A catcher who knows how to block the ball instead of stab at it keeps Felix's fastball in front of him. Anyone older than 8 ought to keep Laird at first base there in the sixth. And, of course, the eighth just brought another pair of mental mistakes. This has gotten so far beyond bad that it's bordering on criminal, and the worst part is that, aside from things like fumbled grounders in the outfield, I can't envision a scenario in which it gets markedly better. God only knows what a Griffey acquisition would do to us. The only defensive highlight all game was a play that Felix turned in by himself. That's bad. This team is just hemorrhaging runs in the field that it can't afford to allow.

I guess it's not that big of a deal in the short-term, since the season's pretty much over and the team's record from here on out is of limited importance. But it bothers me to no end that a front office incapable of pitcher evaluation is similarly so incapable of evaluating defense. The gloves are killing us, and they've been killing us for a while. They're not the reason we're losing, but they're *a* reason we're losing, and yet this rarely gets mentioned as a problem.

Defense matters.

DEFENSE MATTERS.

I know I beat this drum all the time, and some of you are probably getting sick of hearing about it, but I'm not going to stop until more people understand just what kind of impact a team's defense really has on its record. It's huge. It's absolutely huge. And anyone who doesn't get that by now just doesn't get the game.

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Biggest Contribution: RRS, +5.9%
Biggest Suckfest: Yuniesky Betancourt, -19.9%
Most Important AB: Johjima double, +13.5%
Most Important Pitch: Kinsler DP, +11.6%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +7.5%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -57.5%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
(What is this chart?)

We lost. Felix's command has completely and utterly disappeared. 121 different players have at least twice as many walks as our shortstop and second baseman combined. I'd love to see a nightmare tonight that could top the one I'm living during the day.

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Heh

That’s pretty bad when RRS has the highest contribution…

by tait644 on May 13, 2008 11:00 PM PDT   0 recs

The Penultimate Fan of Jose Lopez says

Guess who was the only hitter with a positive WE :(

by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 11:03 PM PDT   0 recs

It's too bad patient Lopez has gone away.

This team in general has just been sucking.

by Fin on May 13, 2008 11:03 PM PDT   0 recs

He's not impatient per se

He’s just not taking walks. He’s got 3BB but only 9 K’s…..basically he’s getting deep into counts just refusing to take a walk when he gets there. He’d rather foul off pitches till he can get a hit….

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All-bat no glove all-time team

C Mike Piazza
1B Frank Thomas
2B Alfonso Soriano
3B Aramis Ramirez
SS Hanley Ramirez
LF Manny Ramirez
CF Barry Bonds
RF Albert Belle (he sucked at Defense right?)

Would this team’s defense be bad enough to somehow cost them the playoffs?

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 11:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Given an average pitching staff, a team with no defense would allow 1000+ runs

they’d probably finish over .500, but the playoffs wouldn’t be a sure thing by any means.

by Jeff on May 13, 2008 11:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

3b Edgar Martinez?

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Post-Injury, possibly.

But Pre-injury he was actually a very good fielder.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 10:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Moral of story

Ramirez’ are born DHs.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on May 14, 2008 1:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Needs an edit.

Follow King Felix and the 2008 AL WEST CHAMPION Seattle Mariners all season long at Lookout Landing.

by Teej on May 13, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rays, Mariners, Nuff Said.

Worst part of this is that this organization is convinced that this is a good defensive team playing bad defense. In realitly, it’s a bad defensive team playing bad defense.

In fact, the FO is currently convinced that this is a really good team that’s just playing poorly.

Oh yea, and so much for assembling a pitching staff that stops losing streaks. So far the only 2 wins of the month happened when Washburn and Batista pitched. Yes, our stoppers have been the 4-5 Cardiac Arrest.

by ThundaPC on May 13, 2008 11:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack

by Frosty Raptor on May 13, 2008 11:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Fuck Geoff Baker.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Easy now.

Geoff hasn’t exactly been on a roll as of late, but he’s still a better beat writer than Hickey and Street.

That said, I can’t really blame Felix for not wanting to talk to the media today. He has had a rough couple of starts in a row. Aside from getting rocked in New York, he just hasn’t been getting run support. That’s got to be wearing him down.

by BrianL on May 13, 2008 11:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, not easy now.

Fuck him. Fuck him.

I’m tired of his shit. He fucking argues with the blogosphere all the goddamn time. He says stupid shit. And now he’s fucking bitching because Felix doesn’t want to talk to him or the rest of goddamn media. Hey Baker, take a fucking hint you idiot. Saying he’s done very little in the game just because he doesn’t want to fucking talk to you? Bullshit.

Fuck Geoff Baker. Go back to fucking Toronto.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

here's a thing

you could try not reading it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 14, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I've read his column three times

because it doesn’t really add anything to my knowledge or enjoyment of the game. if I want a trainwreck there’s many other places I can go.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 14, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I know this is probably odd for many here

But I really don’t read the sports page during the season. Since I am either going to the games or listening to them on the radio I am not really in need of an article to tell me something I already knew.

I do devour any baseball writing I can find in the off season though because I am jonesing for baseball.

by Sec 108 on May 14, 2008 9:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't particularly care what he does.

Provided he finally acknowledges that the people he disagrees with all the time are actually right. That’d be nice.

Though his current post is down, so I can’t find out what pissed Goose off so much.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I knew I should of screenshotted that shit.

Basically it was him bitching that Felix didn’t want to talk to him or any of the other media members and that he hid in the “off limits section” from them. He said something about them having deadlines and that in his “11 years of doing this” that he had never seen a 22 year old act this way. He also said that he’s got all the talent in the world, but has done nothing in this league. Said he was hiding, blah blah blah.

Fuck Geoff Baker.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know there will be calls for Ibanez to be moved to a DH role, especially with all of those Ken Griffey Jr. rumors floating around. All I can say is, at least he came out and answered the questions.

by JI on May 13, 2008 11:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OH GOOD HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!

IS THAT WHY HIS DEFENSE ISN’T COSTING US GAMES??!!!?? BECAUSE HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!? THANK GOD HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS! WHERE WE WOULD BE WITHOUT HIS ANSWERS! PRAISE IBANEZ!

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Baker's still awesome.

Geoff certainly is overreacting to Felix not responding to questions, but that’s part of his job, so it’s at least somewhat understandable.

by redwolf75 on May 13, 2008 11:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like him alot less than I did.

He wont admit when he’s wrong, and he wastes too much space scolding the blogosphere.

by JI on May 14, 2008 12:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In the beginning I was the same way.

I thought “Holy shit! Somebody who recognizes that the sphere is a viable source of good info! And he seems willing to learn new stuff! This guy is awesome!”

Then it became:...well ok you’re wrong Baker, but unlike the rest, you look like you’ll be able to learn and understand why.

Then after that:No, you’re wrong Baker. And you’re not getting it. What’s your problem?

Then:Ok, now you’re just being stupid.

Then:And now your being a dick to the rest of the sphere. It’s like you are arguing with us on purpose. Time to take you off the reading list.

Today:Fuck Geoff Baker.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love how at the end Baker says 'Happy Felix Day!'

I want to punch him in his vagina.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on May 14, 2008 8:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh. It got taken down quickly.

But I saw it, too. And Goose is right—it was in a very childish tone and just sounded like whining because he couldn’t get a quote for his story.

Baseball depends on media, and vice versa, and I understand Geoff’s frustration to a degree, I guess. But Felix has the right to do whatever the hell he wants with the media, and if that means hide from reporters for a day, so be it. Calling him out as having “done nothing in this league” is pretty ridiculous.

by Teej on May 13, 2008 11:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That little bitch probably deleted it.

Goddamnit I should of gotten a screenshot.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well he didn't get the full thing, but he got some of it.

Thank you Frosty Raptor!

"…Hernandez, unlike Ibanez, again did his best to avoid the media for as long as he could. He’s been doing it all week, since helping to ignite that brawl with the Rangers. This time, he ignored a media relations staffer’s repeated, polite requests to come talk, purposely hanging out in an off-limits area for 45 minutes after the game until all but a Seattle radio reporter had left. Writers have deadlines and pitchers are made well aware of them and usually come out to speak quickly unless they are receiving treatment. Media members will rarely linger in a clubhouse more than a half-hour after a game. Players don’t like it. Neither do we.

But Hernandez was being purposely difficult, making a team employee chase him around. He did the same stuff to other employees in spring training and, I’ve got to admit, it bugs me to see a 22-year-old allowed to do that. Bugs me that anyone would, especially putting out employees of his team doing their jobs. His team, not mine. I know how much talent Hernandez has, but he has accomplished very little in this game."

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I see where it comes off as whiny and a bit petty but..

It is his job. The players know that, and are asked to deal with the media. They do not have to be elaborate, long interviews, but they can be short or whatever as long as they talk to them once in awhile a la Bedard.

I think he is just saying it would be one thing if it was Pedro Martinez doing it, but Felix has barely thrown 500 innings in the majors and shouldn’t be acting like a prima donna.

I guess what I am saying is that while I don’t agree with him, I understand his frustration.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Writers have deadlines and pitchers are made well aware of them
I know there will be calls for Ibanez to be moved to a DH role, especially with all of those Ken Griffey Jr. rumors floating around. All I can say is, at least he came out and answered the questions.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right.

It is about him feeling like he is being disrespected by a 22 year old..

Again – I dont agree with him, but he can be like that if he wants. He just comes off whiny.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I once attended a Geoff Baker speech

Where he spent about 45 minutes going off on how he was described in Moneyball.

Guy can’t let something go.

The artist formerly known as Katal

by EricBehrens on May 14, 2008 6:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't give a shit if it's his job.

It is a COURTESY that he is allowed in the PLAYERS clubhouse to talk to the players. He is a reporter. They are the players. He should cater to them and not the other way around. He should be grateful that he gets to talk to them at all. They don’t have to. Like you said, they are ASKED to. If they don’t want to talk to them. Oh goddamn well.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough, but one can still understand his frustration.

Perhaps he came to his senses, realized he went too far, and deleted his post.

by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Frustration doesn't mean you can be a little whiny bitch.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok..but you could say Felix is doing the same thing by whining in the corner.

It isnt hard to walk out and talk for 20 seconds, or say “i didnt have it today, end of story” and walk off.

He doesnt HAVE to. But he comes off better.

Thats about it i think.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So if he would said

“Hey Geoff. I don’t want to fucking talk to you. Go away!”

Would that have been better?

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

would of said.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Would've

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm JI times 10 when I'm pissed.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can only imagine what that would be like:

f32 x?@f;l
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to up reply actions 0 recs

What the hell? I said:

Before the season started, I said that we’d learn a lot about the M’s in the first month – that big questions like whether Sexson would rebound would be answered pretty quickly, and those answers would determine the course of the year.

by JI on May 14, 2008 12:26 AM PDT to up reply actions 3 recs

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:37 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Much smater indeed.

I was going to repost an epic poem, but decided wasting the space wasn’t necessary.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When/If his post gets back up

you should go comment and see what he says.

He seems to be pretty good about responding as long as you don’t just write out some ad hominim attack on him. I would be interested to see him respond to your valid complaint, because I am sure he has his own reasons for it you know?

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If he puts it back up in it's entirety.

Then I will tomorrow. Once I’ve calmed down and am able to come up with a non “Fuck Geoff Baker” comment.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs