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"Defense is a big part of our game, and we have been really sloppy,'' McLaren said. "It is something we take pride in. We have to do a better job. When it is your strength and it works as your weakness, that's not good."

Bottom 1

Ian Kinsler hits a sharp groundball to Adrian Beltre's left. Beltre picks the ball, then bobbles it, and by the time he recovers and throws to first, Kinsler is safe.

Bottom 2

Brandon Boggs sends a line drive into left field in the vicinity of Raul Ibanez, but Ibanez is slow in pursuit, eventually diving and having the ball tip off his glove for a double. The next batter - Gerald Laird - bounces a grounder right by a backhanding Yuniesky Betancourt at short for an RBI single.

Bottom 3

With two on and one out, David Murphy chops a could-be 4-6-3 grounder to Jose Lopez, but Lopez sits back instead of charging the ball, and Murphy beats out the throw to first for a fielder's choice.

Bottom 4

With men on the corners, Felix puts a fastball in the dirt right behind the plate that bounces away from Kenji Johjima, allowing a runner to score and the other to advance to second.

Bottom 6

Gerald Laird hits a line drive single into left field, but Raul Ibanez fumbles the ball, allowing Laird to advance to second.

Bottom 8

With one down, Gerald Laird chops a grounder to Yuniesky Betancourt, but the throw to first pulls Miguel Cairo off the bag. Later, with two on, Ramon Vazquez sharply grounds a single into right to load the bases, but the ball sneaks under Wladimir Balentien's glove, allowing everyone to advance and making it a 4-2 ballgame.

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Eight miscues. Seven if you think Yuni didn't have a chance on Laird's single. Seven or eight miscues that cost the Mariners four or five outs and 13 or 14 bases. While we obviously can't know for sure, one could make a pretty convincing argument that, had the Mariners played good team defense tonight,  the Rangers would've only score one run. Instead they scored five and won by a comfortable margin.

Generally when I criticize this team's defense, I'm referring to its overall lack of range, but these guys also seem to make way too many stupid little mistakes on routine plays. Tonight we saw the worst of both worlds. Beltre probably should've made that play in the first. A real left fielder catches Boggs' fly in the second. A better shortstop might then pick Laird's grounder and throw him out at first. A more aggressive second baseman turns Murphy's grounder into a double play. A catcher who knows how to block the ball instead of stab at it keeps Felix's fastball in front of him. Anyone older than 8 ought to keep Laird at first base there in the sixth. And, of course, the eighth just brought another pair of mental mistakes. This has gotten so far beyond bad that it's bordering on criminal, and the worst part is that, aside from things like fumbled grounders in the outfield, I can't envision a scenario in which it gets markedly better. God only knows what a Griffey acquisition would do to us. The only defensive highlight all game was a play that Felix turned in by himself. That's bad. This team is just hemorrhaging runs in the field that it can't afford to allow.

I guess it's not that big of a deal in the short-term, since the season's pretty much over and the team's record from here on out is of limited importance. But it bothers me to no end that a front office incapable of pitcher evaluation is similarly so incapable of evaluating defense. The gloves are killing us, and they've been killing us for a while. They're not the reason we're losing, but they're *a* reason we're losing, and yet this rarely gets mentioned as a problem.

Defense matters.

DEFENSE MATTERS.

I know I beat this drum all the time, and some of you are probably getting sick of hearing about it, but I'm not going to stop until more people understand just what kind of impact a team's defense really has on its record. It's huge. It's absolutely huge. And anyone who doesn't get that by now just doesn't get the game.

5_13_08_medium

Biggest Contribution: RRS, +5.9%
Biggest Suckfest: Yuniesky Betancourt, -19.9%
Most Important AB: Johjima double, +13.5%
Most Important Pitch: Kinsler DP, +11.6%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +7.5%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -57.5%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
(What is this chart?)

We lost. Felix's command has completely and utterly disappeared. 121 different players have at least twice as many walks as our shortstop and second baseman combined. I'd love to see a nightmare tonight that could top the one I'm living during the day.

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Heh

That’s pretty bad when RRS has the highest contribution…

by tait644 on May 13, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Penultimate Fan of Jose Lopez says

Guess who was the only hitter with a positive WE :(

by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's too bad patient Lopez has gone away.

This team in general has just been sucking.

by Fin on May 13, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's not impatient per se

He’s just not taking walks. He’s got 3BB but only 9 K’s…..basically he’s getting deep into counts just refusing to take a walk when he gets there. He’d rather foul off pitches till he can get a hit….

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All-bat no glove all-time team

C Mike Piazza
1B Frank Thomas
2B Alfonso Soriano
3B Aramis Ramirez
SS Hanley Ramirez
LF Manny Ramirez
CF Barry Bonds
RF Albert Belle (he sucked at Defense right?)

Would this team’s defense be bad enough to somehow cost them the playoffs?

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 11:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Given an average pitching staff, a team with no defense would allow 1000+ runs

they’d probably finish over .500, but the playoffs wouldn’t be a sure thing by any means.

by Jeff on May 13, 2008 11:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moral of story

Ramirez’ are born DHs.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on May 14, 2008 1:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Needs an edit.

Follow King Felix and the 2008 AL WEST CHAMPION Seattle Mariners all season long at Lookout Landing.

by Teej on May 13, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rays, Mariners, Nuff Said.

Worst part of this is that this organization is convinced that this is a good defensive team playing bad defense. In realitly, it’s a bad defensive team playing bad defense.

In fact, the FO is currently convinced that this is a really good team that’s just playing poorly.

Oh yea, and so much for assembling a pitching staff that stops losing streaks. So far the only 2 wins of the month happened when Washburn and Batista pitched. Yes, our stoppers have been the 4-5 Cardiac Arrest.

by ThundaPC on May 13, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack

by Frosty Raptor on May 13, 2008 11:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuck Geoff Baker.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easy now.

Geoff hasn’t exactly been on a roll as of late, but he’s still a better beat writer than Hickey and Street.

That said, I can’t really blame Felix for not wanting to talk to the media today. He has had a rough couple of starts in a row. Aside from getting rocked in New York, he just hasn’t been getting run support. That’s got to be wearing him down.

by BrianL on May 13, 2008 11:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, not easy now.

Fuck him. Fuck him.

I’m tired of his shit. He fucking argues with the blogosphere all the goddamn time. He says stupid shit. And now he’s fucking bitching because Felix doesn’t want to talk to him or the rest of goddamn media. Hey Baker, take a fucking hint you idiot. Saying he’s done very little in the game just because he doesn’t want to fucking talk to you? Bullshit.

Fuck Geoff Baker. Go back to fucking Toronto.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here's a thing

you could try not reading it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 14, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I've read his column three times

because it doesn’t really add anything to my knowledge or enjoyment of the game. if I want a trainwreck there’s many other places I can go.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 14, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know this is probably odd for many here

But I really don’t read the sports page during the season. Since I am either going to the games or listening to them on the radio I am not really in need of an article to tell me something I already knew.

I do devour any baseball writing I can find in the off season though because I am jonesing for baseball.

by Sec 108 on May 14, 2008 9:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't particularly care what he does.

Provided he finally acknowledges that the people he disagrees with all the time are actually right. That’d be nice.

Though his current post is down, so I can’t find out what pissed Goose off so much.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew I should of screenshotted that shit.

Basically it was him bitching that Felix didn’t want to talk to him or any of the other media members and that he hid in the “off limits section” from them. He said something about them having deadlines and that in his “11 years of doing this” that he had never seen a 22 year old act this way. He also said that he’s got all the talent in the world, but has done nothing in this league. Said he was hiding, blah blah blah.

Fuck Geoff Baker.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know there will be calls for Ibanez to be moved to a DH role, especially with all of those Ken Griffey Jr. rumors floating around. All I can say is, at least he came out and answered the questions.

by JI on May 13, 2008 11:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OH GOOD HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!

IS THAT WHY HIS DEFENSE ISN’T COSTING US GAMES??!!!?? BECAUSE HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!? THANK GOD HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS! WHERE WE WOULD BE WITHOUT HIS ANSWERS! PRAISE IBANEZ!

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Baker's still awesome.

Geoff certainly is overreacting to Felix not responding to questions, but that’s part of his job, so it’s at least somewhat understandable.

by redwolf75 on May 13, 2008 11:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like him alot less than I did.

He wont admit when he’s wrong, and he wastes too much space scolding the blogosphere.

by JI on May 14, 2008 12:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the beginning I was the same way.

I thought “Holy shit! Somebody who recognizes that the sphere is a viable source of good info! And he seems willing to learn new stuff! This guy is awesome!”

Then it became:...well ok you’re wrong Baker, but unlike the rest, you look like you’ll be able to learn and understand why.

Then after that:No, you’re wrong Baker. And you’re not getting it. What’s your problem?

Then:Ok, now you’re just being stupid.

Then:And now your being a dick to the rest of the sphere. It’s like you are arguing with us on purpose. Time to take you off the reading list.

Today:Fuck Geoff Baker.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love how at the end Baker says 'Happy Felix Day!'

I want to punch him in his vagina.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on May 14, 2008 8:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh. It got taken down quickly.

But I saw it, too. And Goose is right—it was in a very childish tone and just sounded like whining because he couldn’t get a quote for his story.

Baseball depends on media, and vice versa, and I understand Geoff’s frustration to a degree, I guess. But Felix has the right to do whatever the hell he wants with the media, and if that means hide from reporters for a day, so be it. Calling him out as having “done nothing in this league” is pretty ridiculous.

by Teej on May 13, 2008 11:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That little bitch probably deleted it.

Goddamnit I should of gotten a screenshot.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well he didn't get the full thing, but he got some of it.

Thank you Frosty Raptor!

"…Hernandez, unlike Ibanez, again did his best to avoid the media for as long as he could. He’s been doing it all week, since helping to ignite that brawl with the Rangers. This time, he ignored a media relations staffer’s repeated, polite requests to come talk, purposely hanging out in an off-limits area for 45 minutes after the game until all but a Seattle radio reporter had left. Writers have deadlines and pitchers are made well aware of them and usually come out to speak quickly unless they are receiving treatment. Media members will rarely linger in a clubhouse more than a half-hour after a game. Players don’t like it. Neither do we.

But Hernandez was being purposely difficult, making a team employee chase him around. He did the same stuff to other employees in spring training and, I’ve got to admit, it bugs me to see a 22-year-old allowed to do that. Bugs me that anyone would, especially putting out employees of his team doing their jobs. His team, not mine. I know how much talent Hernandez has, but he has accomplished very little in this game."

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see where it comes off as whiny and a bit petty but..

It is his job. The players know that, and are asked to deal with the media. They do not have to be elaborate, long interviews, but they can be short or whatever as long as they talk to them once in awhile a la Bedard.

I think he is just saying it would be one thing if it was Pedro Martinez doing it, but Felix has barely thrown 500 innings in the majors and shouldn’t be acting like a prima donna.

I guess what I am saying is that while I don’t agree with him, I understand his frustration.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Writers have deadlines and pitchers are made well aware of them
I know there will be calls for Ibanez to be moved to a DH role, especially with all of those Ken Griffey Jr. rumors floating around. All I can say is, at least he came out and answered the questions.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right.

It is about him feeling like he is being disrespected by a 22 year old..

Again – I dont agree with him, but he can be like that if he wants. He just comes off whiny.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I once attended a Geoff Baker speech

Where he spent about 45 minutes going off on how he was described in Moneyball.

Guy can’t let something go.

The artist formerly known as Katal

by Katal LM on May 14, 2008 6:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't give a shit if it's his job.

It is a COURTESY that he is allowed in the PLAYERS clubhouse to talk to the players. He is a reporter. They are the players. He should cater to them and not the other way around. He should be grateful that he gets to talk to them at all. They don’t have to. Like you said, they are ASKED to. If they don’t want to talk to them. Oh goddamn well.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough, but one can still understand his frustration.

Perhaps he came to his senses, realized he went too far, and deleted his post.

by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frustration doesn't mean you can be a little whiny bitch.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

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by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok..but you could say Felix is doing the same thing by whining in the corner.

It isnt hard to walk out and talk for 20 seconds, or say “i didnt have it today, end of story” and walk off.

He doesnt HAVE to. But he comes off better.

Thats about it i think.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So if he would said

“Hey Geoff. I don’t want to fucking talk to you. Go away!”

Would that have been better?

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would of said.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm JI times 10 when I'm pissed.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can only imagine what that would be like:

f32 x?@f;l
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to up reply actions 0 recs

What the hell? I said:

Before the season started, I said that we’d learn a lot about the M’s in the first month – that big questions like whether Sexson would rebound would be answered pretty quickly, and those answers would determine the course of the year.

by JI on May 14, 2008 12:26 AM PDT to up reply actions 3 recs

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Much smater indeed.

I was going to repost an epic poem, but decided wasting the space wasn’t necessary.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When/If his post gets back up

you should go comment and see what he says.

He seems to be pretty good about responding as long as you don’t just write out some ad hominim attack on him. I would be interested to see him respond to your valid complaint, because I am sure he has his own reasons for it you know?

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he puts it back up in it's entirety.

Then I will tomorrow. Once I’ve calmed down and am able to come up with a non “Fuck Geoff Baker” comment.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, if he doesn't put it back up in it's entirety

then he’s a goddamn coward as well and not worth my time.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't agree with this at all.

I’ve never seen anything even resembling a response to any of my coherent and well thought out posts.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, you personally,

but i could go and cut and paste responses of his to TONS of posts.

He made an entire post replying to questions and criticisms.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with this.

But he cherry picks the questions. Besides Adam and occasionally faceplant, he tends to only respond to really easy questions, like “Is Vidro’s knee okay?”

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't disagree. That's not my point.

I’m disagreeing that if I write anything in the comments section, there is any likelihood he will write back to it. There is none because he cherry picks his responses to either easy questions or two members that have been there an unbelievably long time. Ergo, there is no reason to address my concerns in order to expect a response.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't make a really informed comment since I do not read all of the reponses to his posts but..

I do see him respond to Adam a lot.

In his defense, the few times i have glanced through the comments Adam is one of the few coherent and reasonable posters. He does get a lot of “FIRE BAVASI!! WHY DONT WE FIRE HIM AND I WANT GRIFEFY BACK NOW!!!” ... that sort of garbage.

I think it also depends on when he reads it, when he is posting his next thing, if he feels like he has addressed the issue, that sort of thing.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He responds to me

Maybe you should be more awesome.

by Graham on May 14, 2008 12:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've probably written some of my best comments there. Using numbers even.

Since here you guys tend to cover everything, and it is largely unnecessary. I don’t expect a response, so I’m not saying I’m mad, pissed or disappointed. I’m saying there is no reason to ask him anything or challenge him on his blog because you’re not going to get a response. When I comment on there it is solely to explain a point, not to hear anything back regarding it.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Of course not, but he could just answer with one word answers, passive aggressively showing that he is not interested in talking about it and then he could have excused himself after 3-5 questions.

Lots of players do this, it is not unusual when they do not want to talk to the media.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The phrase "I don't want to talk to the media"

in my interpretation means “I don’t want to talk to the media. Nothing. Not one word.”

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

But you are being paid a lot of money, and they just want to ask you some questions. It isn’t like they are appearing on Meet The Press, they are just giving some quotes to some reporters and talking about the game so their fans can figure out why one of the best young pitchers in the league had a WHIP close to 2 against the Rangers.

I just don’t agree, I think the guy can complain if he feels like Felix should talk to him, he has been doing it long enough.

personally, i dont care about what Felix did, i am just playing devil’s advocate.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know.

And I’m just putting myself in Felix’s shoes.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

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by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think it is easy to see both sides.

Maybe Felix will write a whiny bulletin on his myspace to even things out.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll concede that.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

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by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, as stupid as it seems

since player quotes are usually worthless, I’m sure that in situations like today Geoff’s under considerable pressure from his boss(es) to get Felix to say something. An article would look weird if it just skipped him entirely.

by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I understand that.

But he simply could of said something along the lines of “Felix, who struggled again today, wasn’t in much of a mood to talk to us tonight. Maybe we can get him tomorrow” Or something along those lines.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

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by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh

You aren’t going to write something like that and publish it though.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So instead you write and publish an article

that has you whining like a little bitch?

Ok.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

He is not publishing anything of the sort.

It was a blog post.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On a Seattle Times newspaper website.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right, but the standard has been set long ago to talk to the media, if only for a moment.

There is a reason people get reputations like Bedard and Bonds. They are dicks to the media.

It is not an isolated incident, so the guy can complain if he wants to, if he feels like this 22 year old kid is being petulant he can write something about it on his blog. It isnt like he is calling him out in a story.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't exactly call Bedard a dick to the media.

It’s not like he’s insulting them—he’s just brusque.

by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right, but you have to admit It is his reputation

It probably isnt justified, but like Baker has shown, it makes their job easier when players talk to them.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is s standard I've always disagreed with.

Their jobs comes with the privilege of being able to talk to these guys. If it’s obvious Felix doesn’t want to talk to them, then he should of moved on instead of pressing the issue and then whining on his blog about it,

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's cool, you can disagree with the standard

I guess I just do not think it is fair to rip him for complaining about it when that is just the way it is.

I’m sure it is nice to get a quote from the starting pitcher from the game, even if it is just for 15 seconds and frustrating if they are avoiding you.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would counter that

With Felix’s job comes with the privilege of being a major league baseball player, and he can get over himself for three minutes and do what is expected of him.

by Garces on May 14, 2008 8:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geoff Baker doesn't bug all that much.

Although he seems to have a thing against young players.

He had a column a while back saying that Wlad and Clement NEED to produce. Well, yea….so does the rest of the team. Those two aren’t exactly A-Rod and Bonds.

Then, even before Felix’s start, he talks about how he “let his team down” last start and needs to rebound. He wasn’t worried about Bedard though, oh no.

So while Bedard gets a pass for his abysmal 2.0 inning outing (6ER) where he coughs up a 5-run lead, Felix gets taken to task for putting up 6.0 mediocre innings (3R, 2ER) in a game where he never HAD the lead….oh, I guess cause he’s not really talking to reporters. Whatever, Felix is stubborn. Even so, if you swapped the starts, we would’ve had a much better chance of winning yesterdays game (if only Baseball were that simple).

by ThundaPC on May 14, 2008 12:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Baker's defense

it can’t be easy to hang around this team and write about them every day when they’re losing. I imagine it can get stressful and incredibly frustrating, and when you have a player actively interfere with a job for which you have a deadline…well I don’t blame him for being annoyed. I don’t like the tone, but I understand it.

by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I agree with this, essentially.

I mean pointing out that Felix should, basically, respect them since he is only 22 is kind of the reason he is doing this… he is only 22 and is frustrated and embarassed with his performance.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that makes sense.

Especially since, quite often, Baker will make reference to past Toronto Blue Jays teams and how the Mariners seem different from those teams.

Baker seemed to have a good time covering this team last year since they were contending. Now they have the worst record in the Majors.

by ThundaPC on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand that he's upset, but whining about it on the Times' blog is bushleague

Plus, Felix has accomplished more than most players do in their entire careers.

by JI on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know if that is true, that is a pretty big statement

but, yeah, it is whiny and comes off pretty mingy. He can write what he wants though.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was indeed a questionable decision

but then I’ve posted things I wish I hadn’t when I’ve been frustrated sometimes, so I get it. Sometimes you just need to vent.

by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For sure.

But i also think there is a difference between his blog and his game stories for the Times.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Jesus Christ

I just bought a PS3 and a copy of MLB 08 The Show…

and I find out that Rex Fucking Huddler is the color guy in the game.

Fuck me.

by BrianL on May 13, 2008 11:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least it's not Steve Lyons

Gotta be zen about this man.

Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack

by Frosty Raptor on May 13, 2008 11:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont play with sound i just listen to music

The game kicks ass though. Make sure you grab the roster updates.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's too bad because he is raking the ball. I really don't understand why they cant shift

Wlad to left and Ibanez to right. If he has that fragile of an ego then he can go fuck himself because he is being paid to perform, and he can’t play any fucking defense and it is costing the team games.

If it isn’t that and it is just McLaren scared to do anything then fuck him too, stop being a pussy, your team sucks you need to make some fucking changes before you lose your job.

This whole organization is fucking pathetic, sans the international scouting department. Fuck Felix right now too, he has the best arsenal in the league and he let up 6 hits and walked 5 batters in 6 innings. Fucking learn to pitch, if Greg Maddux had the type of stuff Felix did he would be untouchable. It isn’t just about trying to throw your pitches by people, you need to use your head.

Can’t believe i am going to watch this team all summer.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, but obviously the team is too fucking scared of him to sit his ass down or DH him

so stick him somewhere else. Put him at fucking first, just get him the hell out of left it is so awful watching him.

by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It makes too much fucking sense to slot him in at 1B

and bring up Reed to play LF.

He even has 1B experience—it’s not like he’s never played there before.

by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or platoon Richie and Ibanez

Then I think we would have a real two headed best. Almost like our own Mark Teixeria

but no, we don’t want to hurt either one of their feelings now.

by Fin on May 14, 2008 12:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

And right now the team’s just sad.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope the Padres feel the same way.

This weekend’s series has the potential to be the most awesome thing in the history of baseball.

by JI on May 14, 2008 12:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're doing it wrong.

or their just jealous that their hated rivals want it more

by JI on May 14, 2008 1:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See, I'm really rooting for SD now

because it relives Strasburg pressure on us. If Pittsburgh or Washington or someone like that gets the pick, there’s a chance they could pass on him. No way does SD pass on the hometown who grew up a Padres fan and throws 101 mph.

Go Strasburg!

by seattlebruin on May 14, 2008 8:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Giants won!

they’re pulling away from us, those sly bastards.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on May 14, 2008 12:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 games back of the Dodgers!

I’m rooting for the Giants to take 2nd place. It would be hilarious.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!

by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...

Even though I’ve upgraded my system as much as I possibly can, I STILL avoid the game threads precisely because they take a metric f-tonne of forever to load, let alone refresh (and auto-refresh hasn’t ever jived with me).

IRC chat for game threads would be way, way better.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 11:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not so much my Apple

As it is my Microsoft router, and the fact that at home I’m sitting about as far away from the thing as I can be without completely losing signal.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn it's too bad we're not in the NL

then we’d be the polar opposites – last place, different league, cross-coast division, incompetently run

by seattlebruin on May 14, 2008 8:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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