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"Defense is a big part of our game, and we have been really sloppy,'' McLaren said. "It is something we take pride in. We have to do a better job. When it is your strength and it works as your weakness, that's not good."
Bottom 1
Ian Kinsler hits a sharp groundball to Adrian Beltre's left. Beltre picks the ball, then bobbles it, and by the time he recovers and throws to first, Kinsler is safe.
Bottom 2
Brandon Boggs sends a line drive into left field in the vicinity of Raul Ibanez, but Ibanez is slow in pursuit, eventually diving and having the ball tip off his glove for a double. The next batter - Gerald Laird - bounces a grounder right by a backhanding Yuniesky Betancourt at short for an RBI single.
Bottom 3
With two on and one out, David Murphy chops a could-be 4-6-3 grounder to Jose Lopez, but Lopez sits back instead of charging the ball, and Murphy beats out the throw to first for a fielder's choice.
Bottom 4
With men on the corners, Felix puts a fastball in the dirt right behind the plate that bounces away from Kenji Johjima, allowing a runner to score and the other to advance to second.
Bottom 6
Gerald Laird hits a line drive single into left field, but Raul Ibanez fumbles the ball, allowing Laird to advance to second.
Bottom 8
With one down, Gerald Laird chops a grounder to Yuniesky Betancourt, but the throw to first pulls Miguel Cairo off the bag. Later, with two on, Ramon Vazquez sharply grounds a single into right to load the bases, but the ball sneaks under Wladimir Balentien's glove, allowing everyone to advance and making it a 4-2 ballgame.
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Eight miscues. Seven if you think Yuni didn't have a chance on Laird's single. Seven or eight miscues that cost the Mariners four or five outs and 13 or 14 bases. While we obviously can't know for sure, one could make a pretty convincing argument that, had the Mariners played good team defense tonight, the Rangers would've only score one run. Instead they scored five and won by a comfortable margin.
Generally when I criticize this team's defense, I'm referring to its overall lack of range, but these guys also seem to make way too many stupid little mistakes on routine plays. Tonight we saw the worst of both worlds. Beltre probably should've made that play in the first. A real left fielder catches Boggs' fly in the second. A better shortstop might then pick Laird's grounder and throw him out at first. A more aggressive second baseman turns Murphy's grounder into a double play. A catcher who knows how to block the ball instead of stab at it keeps Felix's fastball in front of him. Anyone older than 8 ought to keep Laird at first base there in the sixth. And, of course, the eighth just brought another pair of mental mistakes. This has gotten so far beyond bad that it's bordering on criminal, and the worst part is that, aside from things like fumbled grounders in the outfield, I can't envision a scenario in which it gets markedly better. God only knows what a Griffey acquisition would do to us. The only defensive highlight all game was a play that Felix turned in by himself. That's bad. This team is just hemorrhaging runs in the field that it can't afford to allow.
I guess it's not that big of a deal in the short-term, since the season's pretty much over and the team's record from here on out is of limited importance. But it bothers me to no end that a front office incapable of pitcher evaluation is similarly so incapable of evaluating defense. The gloves are killing us, and they've been killing us for a while. They're not the reason we're losing, but they're *a* reason we're losing, and yet this rarely gets mentioned as a problem.
Defense matters.
DEFENSE MATTERS.
I know I beat this drum all the time, and some of you are probably getting sick of hearing about it, but I'm not going to stop until more people understand just what kind of impact a team's defense really has on its record. It's huge. It's absolutely huge. And anyone who doesn't get that by now just doesn't get the game.
Biggest Contribution: RRS, +5.9%
Biggest Suckfest: Yuniesky Betancourt, -19.9%
Most Important AB: Johjima double, +13.5%
Most Important Pitch: Kinsler DP, +11.6%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +7.5%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -57.5%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
(What is this chart?)
We lost. Felix's command has completely and utterly disappeared. 121 different players have at least twice as many walks as our shortstop and second baseman combined. I'd love to see a nightmare tonight that could top the one I'm living during the day.
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Heh
That’s pretty bad when RRS has the highest contribution…
by tait644 on May 13, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Penultimate Fan of Jose Lopez says
Guess who was the only hitter with a positive WE :(
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad patient Lopez has gone away.
This team in general has just been sucking.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not impatient per se
He’s just not taking walks. He’s got 3BB but only 9 K’s…..basically he’s getting deep into counts just refusing to take a walk when he gets there. He’d rather foul off pitches till he can get a hit….
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All-bat no glove all-time team
C Mike Piazza
1B Frank Thomas
2B Alfonso Soriano
3B Aramis Ramirez
SS Hanley Ramirez
LF Manny Ramirez
CF Barry Bonds
RF Albert Belle (he sucked at Defense right?)
Would this team’s defense be bad enough to somehow cost them the playoffs?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Albert Belle doesn't qualify
You could plug Jose Canseco into RF
by Fin on May 13, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds was a good glove back in the day.
by redwolf75 on May 13, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In LF
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given an average pitching staff, a team with no defense would allow 1000+ runs
they’d probably finish over .500, but the playoffs wouldn’t be a sure thing by any means.
by Jeff on May 13, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that all those guys were within the last 10 years.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3b Edgar Martinez?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post-Injury, possibly.
But Pre-injury he was actually a very good fielder.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think this is revisionist history.
by JI on May 14, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he was decent.
Not a star, but he held his own.
by Sec 108 on May 14, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. That's what I meant.
He was no Beltre, but he definitely held his own.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moral of story
Ramirez’ are born DHs.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
by ralphie81 on May 14, 2008 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is actually what did us in.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The jokes on Rev. He dropped 100 bucks for that little line.
by redwolf75 on May 13, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he didn't. Not exactly.
He was given a 100 dollar credit for something else he did, and thought it would be funny to use it on us.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Who did?
Devin?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs an edit.
Follow King Felix and the 2008 AL WEST CHAMPION Seattle Mariners all season long at Lookout Landing.
by Teej on May 13, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rays, Mariners, Nuff Said.
Worst part of this is that this organization is convinced that this is a good defensive team playing bad defense. In realitly, it’s a bad defensive team playing bad defense.
In fact, the FO is currently convinced that this is a really good team that’s just playing poorly.
Oh yea, and so much for assembling a pitching staff that stops losing streaks. So far the only 2 wins of the month happened when Washburn and Batista pitched. Yes, our stoppers have been the 4-5 Cardiac Arrest.
by ThundaPC on May 13, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The 4-5 Malignant Leprosy
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack
by Frosty Raptor on May 13, 2008 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Geoff Baker.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy now.
Geoff hasn’t exactly been on a roll as of late, but he’s still a better beat writer than Hickey and Street.
That said, I can’t really blame Felix for not wanting to talk to the media today. He has had a rough couple of starts in a row. Aside from getting rocked in New York, he just hasn’t been getting run support. That’s got to be wearing him down.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not easy now.
Fuck him. Fuck him.
I’m tired of his shit. He fucking argues with the blogosphere all the goddamn time. He says stupid shit. And now he’s fucking bitching because Felix doesn’t want to talk to him or the rest of goddamn media. Hey Baker, take a fucking hint you idiot. Saying he’s done very little in the game just because he doesn’t want to fucking talk to you? Bullshit.
Fuck Geoff Baker. Go back to fucking Toronto.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's a thing
you could try not reading it.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 14, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been doing that for a while now
Works very well.
by Sec 108 on May 14, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I've read his column three times
because it doesn’t really add anything to my knowledge or enjoyment of the game. if I want a trainwreck there’s many other places I can go.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 14, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know this is probably odd for many here
But I really don’t read the sports page during the season. Since I am either going to the games or listening to them on the radio I am not really in need of an article to tell me something I already knew.
I do devour any baseball writing I can find in the off season though because I am jonesing for baseball.
by Sec 108 on May 14, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't particularly care what he does.
Provided he finally acknowledges that the people he disagrees with all the time are actually right. That’d be nice.
Though his current post is down, so I can’t find out what pissed Goose off so much.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 13, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I should of screenshotted that shit.
Basically it was him bitching that Felix didn’t want to talk to him or any of the other media members and that he hid in the “off limits section” from them. He said something about them having deadlines and that in his “11 years of doing this” that he had never seen a 22 year old act this way. He also said that he’s got all the talent in the world, but has done nothing in this league. Said he was hiding, blah blah blah.
Fuck Geoff Baker.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know there will be calls for Ibanez to be moved to a DH role, especially with all of those Ken Griffey Jr. rumors floating around. All I can say is, at least he came out and answered the questions.
by JI on May 13, 2008 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH GOOD HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!
IS THAT WHY HIS DEFENSE ISN’T COSTING US GAMES??!!!?? BECAUSE HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS!? THANK GOD HE ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS! WHERE WE WOULD BE WITHOUT HIS ANSWERS! PRAISE IBANEZ!
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Baker's still awesome.
Geoff certainly is overreacting to Felix not responding to questions, but that’s part of his job, so it’s at least somewhat understandable.
by redwolf75 on May 13, 2008 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him alot less than I did.
He wont admit when he’s wrong, and he wastes too much space scolding the blogosphere.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the beginning I was the same way.
I thought “Holy shit! Somebody who recognizes that the sphere is a viable source of good info! And he seems willing to learn new stuff! This guy is awesome!”
Then it became:...well ok you’re wrong Baker, but unlike the rest, you look like you’ll be able to learn and understand why.
Then after that:No, you’re wrong Baker. And you’re not getting it. What’s your problem?
Then:Ok, now you’re just being stupid.
Then:And now your being a dick to the rest of the sphere. It’s like you are arguing with us on purpose. Time to take you off the reading list.
Today:Fuck Geoff Baker.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how at the end Baker says 'Happy Felix Day!'
I want to punch him in his vagina.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on May 14, 2008 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh. It got taken down quickly.
But I saw it, too. And Goose is right—it was in a very childish tone and just sounded like whining because he couldn’t get a quote for his story.
Baseball depends on media, and vice versa, and I understand Geoff’s frustration to a degree, I guess. But Felix has the right to do whatever the hell he wants with the media, and if that means hide from reporters for a day, so be it. Calling him out as having “done nothing in this league” is pretty ridiculous.
by Teej on May 13, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That little bitch probably deleted it.
Goddamnit I should of gotten a screenshot.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 13, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone quoted it in full in the game thread
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he didn't get the full thing, but he got some of it.
Thank you Frosty Raptor!
"…Hernandez, unlike Ibanez, again did his best to avoid the media for as long as he could. He’s been doing it all week, since helping to ignite that brawl with the Rangers. This time, he ignored a media relations staffer’s repeated, polite requests to come talk, purposely hanging out in an off-limits area for 45 minutes after the game until all but a Seattle radio reporter had left. Writers have deadlines and pitchers are made well aware of them and usually come out to speak quickly unless they are receiving treatment. Media members will rarely linger in a clubhouse more than a half-hour after a game. Players don’t like it. Neither do we.But Hernandez was being purposely difficult, making a team employee chase him around. He did the same stuff to other employees in spring training and, I’ve got to admit, it bugs me to see a 22-year-old allowed to do that. Bugs me that anyone would, especially putting out employees of his team doing their jobs. His team, not mine. I know how much talent Hernandez has, but he has accomplished very little in this game."
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see where it comes off as whiny and a bit petty but..
It is his job. The players know that, and are asked to deal with the media. They do not have to be elaborate, long interviews, but they can be short or whatever as long as they talk to them once in awhile a la Bedard.
I think he is just saying it would be one thing if it was Pedro Martinez doing it, but Felix has barely thrown 500 innings in the majors and shouldn’t be acting like a prima donna.
I guess what I am saying is that while I don’t agree with him, I understand his frustration.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like some generic quote from Felix is going to make or break his game recap.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not what it is about, come on.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Writers have deadlines and pitchers are made well aware of them
I know there will be calls for Ibanez to be moved to a DH role, especially with all of those Ken Griffey Jr. rumors floating around. All I can say is, at least he came out and answered the questions.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
It is about him feeling like he is being disrespected by a 22 year old..
Again – I dont agree with him, but he can be like that if he wants. He just comes off whiny.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I once attended a Geoff Baker speech
Where he spent about 45 minutes going off on how he was described in Moneyball.
Guy can’t let something go.
The artist formerly known as Katal
by Katal LM on May 14, 2008 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give a shit if it's his job.
It is a COURTESY that he is allowed in the PLAYERS clubhouse to talk to the players. He is a reporter. They are the players. He should cater to them and not the other way around. He should be grateful that he gets to talk to them at all. They don’t have to. Like you said, they are ASKED to. If they don’t want to talk to them. Oh goddamn well.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, but one can still understand his frustration.
Perhaps he came to his senses, realized he went too far, and deleted his post.
by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frustration doesn't mean you can be a little whiny bitch.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok..but you could say Felix is doing the same thing by whining in the corner.
It isnt hard to walk out and talk for 20 seconds, or say “i didnt have it today, end of story” and walk off.
He doesnt HAVE to. But he comes off better.
Thats about it i think.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if he would said
“Hey Geoff. I don’t want to fucking talk to you. Go away!”
Would that have been better?
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would of said.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm JI times 10 when I'm pissed.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JI times ten would be completely incomprehensible
you’re JI times 1.2.
by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can only imagine what that would be like:
f32 x?@f;l
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell? I said:
Before the season started, I said that we’d learn a lot about the M’s in the first month – that big questions like whether Sexson would rebound would be answered pretty quickly, and those answers would determine the course of the year.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:26 AM PDT to up reply actions 3 recs
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It took a couple readthroughs to realize that a person much smater that I am wrote that.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much smater indeed.
I was going to repost an epic poem, but decided wasting the space wasn’t necessary.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When/If his post gets back up
you should go comment and see what he says.
He seems to be pretty good about responding as long as you don’t just write out some ad hominim attack on him. I would be interested to see him respond to your valid complaint, because I am sure he has his own reasons for it you know?
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he puts it back up in it's entirety.
Then I will tomorrow. Once I’ve calmed down and am able to come up with a non “Fuck Geoff Baker” comment.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if he doesn't put it back up in it's entirety
then he’s a goddamn coward as well and not worth my time.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with this at all.
I’ve never seen anything even resembling a response to any of my coherent and well thought out posts.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you personally,
but i could go and cut and paste responses of his to TONS of posts.
He made an entire post replying to questions and criticisms.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with this.
But he cherry picks the questions. Besides Adam and occasionally faceplant, he tends to only respond to really easy questions, like “Is Vidro’s knee okay?”
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has to cherry pick
consider the volume
by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't disagree. That's not my point.
I’m disagreeing that if I write anything in the comments section, there is any likelihood he will write back to it. There is none because he cherry picks his responses to either easy questions or two members that have been there an unbelievably long time. Ergo, there is no reason to address my concerns in order to expect a response.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't make a really informed comment since I do not read all of the reponses to his posts but..
I do see him respond to Adam a lot.
In his defense, the few times i have glanced through the comments Adam is one of the few coherent and reasonable posters. He does get a lot of “FIRE BAVASI!! WHY DONT WE FIRE HIM AND I WANT GRIFEFY BACK NOW!!!” ... that sort of garbage.
I think it also depends on when he reads it, when he is posting his next thing, if he feels like he has addressed the issue, that sort of thing.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He responds to me
Maybe you should be more awesome.
by Graham on May 14, 2008 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've probably written some of my best comments there. Using numbers even.
Since here you guys tend to cover everything, and it is largely unnecessary. I don’t expect a response, so I’m not saying I’m mad, pissed or disappointed. I’m saying there is no reason to ask him anything or challenge him on his blog because you’re not going to get a response. When I comment on there it is solely to explain a point, not to hear anything back regarding it.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Of course not, but he could just answer with one word answers, passive aggressively showing that he is not interested in talking about it and then he could have excused himself after 3-5 questions.
Lots of players do this, it is not unusual when they do not want to talk to the media.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The phrase "I don't want to talk to the media"
in my interpretation means “I don’t want to talk to the media. Nothing. Not one word.”
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
But you are being paid a lot of money, and they just want to ask you some questions. It isn’t like they are appearing on Meet The Press, they are just giving some quotes to some reporters and talking about the game so their fans can figure out why one of the best young pitchers in the league had a WHIP close to 2 against the Rangers.
I just don’t agree, I think the guy can complain if he feels like Felix should talk to him, he has been doing it long enough.
personally, i dont care about what Felix did, i am just playing devil’s advocate.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
And I’m just putting myself in Felix’s shoes.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
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by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think it is easy to see both sides.
Maybe Felix will write a whiny bulletin on his myspace to even things out.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix has every right not to speak, and Geoff has every right to be annoyed
I think that’s what it comes down to here, pretty much.
by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll concede that.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, as stupid as it seems
since player quotes are usually worthless, I’m sure that in situations like today Geoff’s under considerable pressure from his boss(es) to get Felix to say something. An article would look weird if it just skipped him entirely.
by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I understand that.
But he simply could of said something along the lines of “Felix, who struggled again today, wasn’t in much of a mood to talk to us tonight. Maybe we can get him tomorrow” Or something along those lines.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
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by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
You aren’t going to write something like that and publish it though.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So instead you write and publish an article
that has you whining like a little bitch?
Ok.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
He is not publishing anything of the sort.
It was a blog post.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a Seattle Times newspaper website.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but the standard has been set long ago to talk to the media, if only for a moment.
There is a reason people get reputations like Bedard and Bonds. They are dicks to the media.
It is not an isolated incident, so the guy can complain if he wants to, if he feels like this 22 year old kid is being petulant he can write something about it on his blog. It isnt like he is calling him out in a story.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't exactly call Bedard a dick to the media.
It’s not like he’s insulting them—he’s just brusque.
by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but you have to admit It is his reputation
It probably isnt justified, but like Baker has shown, it makes their job easier when players talk to them.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were a player
I’d speak to the media in nothing but innuendo and non-sequiturs.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, so you would be George Takei then
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
George Takei is the most awesome gay guy ever.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In YOUR endo!
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on May 14, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is s standard I've always disagreed with.
Their jobs comes with the privilege of being able to talk to these guys. If it’s obvious Felix doesn’t want to talk to them, then he should of moved on instead of pressing the issue and then whining on his blog about it,
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's cool, you can disagree with the standard
I guess I just do not think it is fair to rip him for complaining about it when that is just the way it is.
I’m sure it is nice to get a quote from the starting pitcher from the game, even if it is just for 15 seconds and frustrating if they are avoiding you.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would counter that
With Felix’s job comes with the privilege of being a major league baseball player, and he can get over himself for three minutes and do what is expected of him.
by Garces on May 14, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geoff Baker doesn't bug all that much.
Although he seems to have a thing against young players.
He had a column a while back saying that Wlad and Clement NEED to produce. Well, yea….so does the rest of the team. Those two aren’t exactly A-Rod and Bonds.
Then, even before Felix’s start, he talks about how he “let his team down” last start and needs to rebound. He wasn’t worried about Bedard though, oh no.
So while Bedard gets a pass for his abysmal 2.0 inning outing (6ER) where he coughs up a 5-run lead, Felix gets taken to task for putting up 6.0 mediocre innings (3R, 2ER) in a game where he never HAD the lead….oh, I guess cause he’s not really talking to reporters. Whatever, Felix is stubborn. Even so, if you swapped the starts, we would’ve had a much better chance of winning yesterdays game (if only Baseball were that simple).
by ThundaPC on May 14, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has a Canadian bias towards Bedard


by Fin on May 14, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that why Bedard is blurry?
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Baker's defense
it can’t be easy to hang around this team and write about them every day when they’re losing. I imagine it can get stressful and incredibly frustrating, and when you have a player actively interfere with a job for which you have a deadline…well I don’t blame him for being annoyed. I don’t like the tone, but I understand it.
by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that makes sense.
Especially since, quite often, Baker will make reference to past Toronto Blue Jays teams and how the Mariners seem different from those teams.
Baker seemed to have a good time covering this team last year since they were contending. Now they have the worst record in the Majors.
by ThundaPC on May 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that he's upset, but whining about it on the Times' blog is bushleague
Plus, Felix has accomplished more than most players do in their entire careers.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if that is true, that is a pretty big statement
but, yeah, it is whiny and comes off pretty mingy. He can write what he wants though.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was indeed a questionable decision
but then I’ve posted things I wish I hadn’t when I’ve been frustrated sometimes, so I get it. Sometimes you just need to vent.
by Jeff on May 14, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Jesus Christ
I just bought a PS3 and a copy of MLB 08 The Show…
and I find out that Rex Fucking Huddler is the color guy in the game.
Fuck me.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 11:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At least it's not Steve Lyons
Gotta be zen about this man.
Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack
by Frosty Raptor on May 13, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont play with sound i just listen to music
The game kicks ass though. Make sure you grab the roster updates.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After viewing this game my dad is finally starting to come around to the fact that Raul is the worst left fielder ever.
by JI on May 13, 2008 11:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad because he is raking the ball. I really don't understand why they cant shift
Wlad to left and Ibanez to right. If he has that fragile of an ego then he can go fuck himself because he is being paid to perform, and he can’t play any fucking defense and it is costing the team games.
If it isn’t that and it is just McLaren scared to do anything then fuck him too, stop being a pussy, your team sucks you need to make some fucking changes before you lose your job.
This whole organization is fucking pathetic, sans the international scouting department. Fuck Felix right now too, he has the best arsenal in the league and he let up 6 hits and walked 5 batters in 6 innings. Fucking learn to pitch, if Greg Maddux had the type of stuff Felix did he would be untouchable. It isn’t just about trying to throw your pitches by people, you need to use your head.
Can’t believe i am going to watch this team all summer.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a pitching coact who actually does something, like Dave Duncan
or Leo Mazzone.
by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best hting I can say about having Dave Duncan
would be that the team would never sign a shit pitcher to a 4 year deal ever again.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mel Stottlemeyer's nephew tried to get me in on pyramid scheme last night.
by Robert on May 14, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They like to call that Multi-Level Marketing now.
Because somehow they think that is less annoying.
by Sec 108 on May 14, 2008 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once I get to the third level
My loved ones and me will be able to quit our day jobs.
by Robert on May 14, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what level is the nephew at?
Or is pitching it not a job? More of a hobby?
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 14, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's never met his uncle supposedly
which is strange because they live in the same city.
by Robert on May 14, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ibanez shouldn't play the outfield at all.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but obviously the team is too fucking scared of him to sit his ass down or DH him
so stick him somewhere else. Put him at fucking first, just get him the hell out of left it is so awful watching him.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, not from anything I have read. If you can show me what makes you think this, that would be nice, but..
all i remember reading is how he wants to play OF.
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes too much fucking sense to slot him in at 1B
and bring up Reed to play LF.
He even has 1B experience—it’s not like he’s never played there before.
by redwolf75 on May 14, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or platoon Richie and Ibanez
Then I think we would have a real two headed best. Almost like our own Mark Teixeria
but no, we don’t want to hurt either one of their feelings now.
by Fin on May 14, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, feelings are more important than winning.
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:(
by ASUBoyd on May 14, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a fairly new development
but there was an article or blurb earlier this year about him being tired and wanting to keep fresh
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raul Ibanez anticipated being the DH coming into 2007
until the Vidro trade.
by Matthew on May 14, 2008 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still assert that this was the crowning masterpiece to our legacy of stupid trades.
by JI on May 14, 2008 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say HoRam was worse
But, yeah, the Vidro debacle was almost equally stupid.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game threads are more interesting when the team is h ilarious.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was kinda talking about our draft position and team playoff position in the AL East
by Graham on May 14, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB needs a draft lottery in Stasberg years
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck that, then I'd have to wait off on buying a Strasburg 37 jersey until lottery order was settled
by Graham on May 14, 2008 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Padres feel the same way.
This weekend’s series has the potential to be the most awesome thing in the history of baseball.
by JI on May 14, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No mention of having the desire to lose over at the Padres SBN blog.
They must not want Strasburg as badly.
by Fin on May 14, 2008 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're doing it wrong.
or their just jealous that their hated rivals want it more
by JI on May 14, 2008 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I'm really rooting for SD now
because it relives Strasburg pressure on us. If Pittsburgh or Washington or someone like that gets the pick, there’s a chance they could pass on him. No way does SD pass on the hometown who grew up a Padres fan and throws 101 mph.
Go Strasburg!
by seattlebruin on May 14, 2008 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants won!
they’re pulling away from us, those sly bastards.
FREE JEREMY REED!!
by MFAN on May 14, 2008 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
3 games back of the Dodgers!
I’m rooting for the Giants to take 2nd place. It would be hilarious.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
1998 Expansion Teams Reign Supreme!
by Goose on May 14, 2008 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I often wish LL had a IRC chat so these threads would actually load.
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 14, 2008 3:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Even though I’ve upgraded my system as much as I possibly can, I STILL avoid the game threads precisely because they take a metric f-tonne of forever to load, let alone refresh (and auto-refresh hasn’t ever jived with me).
IRC chat for game threads would be way, way better.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not so much my Apple
As it is my Microsoft router, and the fact that at home I’m sitting about as far away from the thing as I can be without completely losing signal.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile, the Rays are in 1st place in the AL East!
by Gomez on May 14, 2008 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn it's too bad we're not in the NL
then we’d be the polar opposites – last place, different league, cross-coast division, incompetently run
by seattlebruin on May 14, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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