So about these Griffey rumors...
by Karma Police on May 13, 2008 5:00 PM PDT
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PrintHas anyone heard anything about who might be going to Cincinnati? Its probably still very rough at this point, but do the Reds have a need that one of our available guys could fill? any speculation?
I could see Baek or Morrow or Lowe go. Rob Johnson maybe? reed?
75 word fun fact: Miguel Cairo still has a job. playing baseball. major league baseball. on the seattle mariners. playing first base. batting second. miguel cairo.
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Morrow Lol? Uhhh a first round pick for an old outfielder?
NO GRIFFEY PLZ
He'll help us win the Strasburg race
Especially if he plays defense. Plus those ten or so homers he’d hit would be exciting for me. As long as we give up no value this is good. Especially if he sucks and we don’t re-sign him next year
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However, you have to assume he's taking playing time from Clement and/or Wlad.
In which case he’s not worth it. Those guys need playing time more than anything.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 13, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm okay with trading some C-level talent for Griffey
Shipping Feier or Johnson to Ohio makes sense to me.
He isn’t going to be great by any means, but he’ll be exciting to watch (sorry Jeff) and will be better than Vidro at DH. Or they’ll stick him in LF and he’ll provide slightly better defense than Raul. Either way I’m satisfied.
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But Vidro isn't the DH anymore.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 13, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Barring some sort of 1B epiphany
adding Griffey either means Johjima gets benched (unlikely), Clement gets benched, or Balentien gets benched.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's just trade Richie for him then... =(
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I like about you...
you’re a dreamer.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 13, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
But he's not the only one.
He hopes someday you will join him.
Then the world will live as one.
But before that, we need to hold the Bed-in for Peace, right? Boy, that’s gonna be awkward.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 14, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention that whoever draws the short straw
has to marry Yoko Ono.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Based on comments by Bavasi
Clement and Balentien don’t have their slots locked up. Bavasi likes what he sees out of Wlad but thinks Clement is pressing a bit.
So say if we ended up getting Griffey now, Clement would be the odd-man out.
Clement could always go back and work on his catching.
Then replace Johjima in 20…......... sorry, I just realized there was way too much optimism for competence in this comment.
...and now I'm here
Actually, you know what?
Get Griffey and send both Clement and Balentien back to AAA for a couple weeks somehow until we recover that year of team control.
Yeah!
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The 10-day rule would pretty much cover that, I think...
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I might be ok with
Johjima, Clement, and Wlad getting their playing time cut by 33% each.
For Griffey? Really? I can understand Joh, but Wlad and Clement?
It’s not like this season means anything. Let the kids play.
by SethGrandpa on May 13, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to believe it'll only take a couple B or C level players
It should only take that much. That really is, at most, what Griffey is really worth.
But I have a bad, educational-guess-motivated feeling the Reds will demand an A level prospect coughtriunfelcough and two others or no deal, and Bavasi will cave.
Agreed, they won't send Triunfel, but all the foxsports 'news' reports
are predicting this total selloff for the Reds and how they need to get some talent back for their high dollar guys. Don’t blame them, buuuut I also don’t want to give much.
In a dream world we give them our org ‘un-useables”. The Feirieier’s, the Reed’s, the Cairo’s, so fully expect a Jimenez/Johnson for Griff.
I have a cousin with 1 testicle, when they yell play ball, he smiles.
That's the only time it makes sense.
Griffey isn’t good enough to be on a winning team anymore.
This is a matter of ticket sales, not winning.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 13, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never heard of a player being signed just for ticket sales and not helping the team win
That’s my issue with that theory, although it makes sense.
not a ton though
at $16m/yr, say he brings in an extra 5,000 per game for 14 days, and that’s being way optimistic I think given the way the Mariners are playing. At an average ticket price of 25+15, so say the average head spends $40 at Safeco (and again, I think that’s optimistic), what is that, $2.8 million? That seems to me like the absolute best case scenario and that doesn’t even come close to offsetting the 10 million dollars or so we’d owe him in salary
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hell, even if I'm even more optimistic and say the average head spends $60, that's still $4,2
but a lot of the big spenders are season ticket holders and paid for their seats anyway. Any extra revenue is likely coming from cheap seats
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Basically
with 55 home games remaining if we acquired him June 1st, we’d still owe him about $10.8 million so to break even on that you have to profit at $40 a head, you’d have to average 4900 extra fans a GAME for every game from June 1st out to break even.
At $50, 3900 fans
At $60, 3300 fans
That’s a lot of butts.
I just don’t see how the team could possibly make money acquiring Griffey this early in the year, short of getting the Reds to pay a good chunk of salary, which would mean we’d have to give up more than we want to
So if we get Griffey I expect us to overpay for him in talent
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Well... Not really.
His first week will draw 15,000 more at least per day, if not more. Maybe even his first two weeks. Let’s say 12 games at 15,000 extra fans (and again, considering the current turnout, that may be lowballing it), you get 180,000 extra fans. Divide that by 55 games and you have an average of 3272 fans per game if 0 extra fans come after the 2nd week on.
...and now I'm here
You think Griffey is really going to draw 15 thousand extra fans for two weeks straight?
I just don’t see that happening.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
The reasoning behind that is because it's not like when Griffey came back last year
when ticket purchasers knew well in advance that Griffey was coming and were able to buy tickets. When Griffey comes t his year, it will be via trade and nobody will know what day he’s coming back. People have lives and aren’t going to block out their evenings for the next four months just in case Griffey comes back, so I expect it to be more of a steady trickle where 5000 or so people per game come to see him then 15000 extra day of game sales. I just don’t see that happening
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
I dunno, I could see it happening
I’d feel different if i didn’t go to the Griffey game last year, but considering how huge of a deal everyone made of it and the fact that they were actually cheering for Feieierararabend to fail…
not that i think its a smart move but if we continue sucking like this, having Griffey could be a huge jolt of excitement in an otherwide depressing and boring season, and i think people would really go out of their way to see him as soon as possible
by Karma Police on May 14, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Sort of. I’m willing to lower that number for two reasons:
Depending on the team they play (eg, the Yankees) it is impossible for him to bring in 15,000 extra fans. So if he was traded before a series with them, then no, I don’t think that.
Also, weekends vary for the same reason, though I could see ~10,000 on good days.
But series like those we had against Texas I could see a lot. 15,000? Maybe not as I hadn’t considered the two parts above. But if you don’t think some 10,000 or so people in Seattle with nothing to do one evening would go see him play in a Mariner uniform, I simply disagree.
...and now I'm here
Only for the first two weeks of course.
So I do need to lower my number. But I think it would be a substantial amount, considering. And then he’d only need to average ~2-3,000 the rest of the season to meet your numbers, which is doable.
I’m conceding that you are right, my numbers are high, because I hadn’t considered the amount of people that could fit in Safeco.
...and now I'm here
My argument was oversimplified, as well.
It’s not just ticket sales – it’s jerseys and other paraphenalia as well. I don’t know how many dollars that actually adds, but it must be some, right?
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 14, 2008 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions
It better be, otherwise Ichiro loses a lot of value.
...and now I'm here
Yeah, it is pretty much guaranteed to be a business success.
Attendance will sky rocket, guaranteed. I mean christ, there are record lows at the moment. People would love to go watch Jr again
Player being signed to help ticket sales:
The Mariners signed Gaylord Perry when he was way over the hill so that he could win his 300th with the Mariners.
Oops, this should have been a reply to
vkut79 who said he’d never heard of a player being signed simply to help ticket sales.
I don't know how I didn't know this.
But David Ortiz was signed by the Mariners?
God damn, how many players did we sign/raise that went on to have ridiculously successful major league careers in the last 1 1/2 decades?
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How didn't you know that?
We traded him for the legendary 3B Dave Hollins. Technically, Ortiz was one of those mystery “player to be named later.”
Instead of being a sidenote in the history of baseball’s obscure trade stats, he went on to be awesome. Naturally.
Dave Hollins though gave us 28 great games, hitting .351/.438/.479 .917, then promptly left in free agency to the Angels.
I don't know.
I was only 12 or 13 back then. I’m more surprised I never noticed anyone mention it here or elsewhere. Maybe they did and I just missed it.
...and now I'm here
I'm not even borthered by that one.
David Ortiz went over to Minnisota for about six years and then went over to the Red Sox to win MVPs and stuff. I’d be more annoyed as a Twin fan.
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