Why Mariners fans are some of my favorites
And I'm completely serious when I say this. You guys are great, and I always get a kick out of reading this blog and USS Mariner.
I'm a Cubs fan and have been so since 1968. As such, I understand the futility of life and the joy of small victories (or even almost victories). As my bartender, another life-long Cubs fan of my generation, says: "You lose more often than you win in life, and being a Cubs fan prepares you for this."
The problem, though, is that most Cubs fans today don't understand this. They see the experience as some sort of amusement park ride, where there are going to be ups after the downs because there are supposed to be. They don't understand that sometimes, the downs are all you're going to get.
Which is why I enjoy reading this blog so much. The existential angst! The hopelessness and loathing! The Kierkegaardian dread! Plus, you do it so intelligently. Most sports blogs, sadly, are places for the lame of mouth and the halt of brain to feed their fixes. Here, and at USS Mariner, you not only roll Sisyphus' boulder up a hill, but can explain, using cold, hard logic, why it will fall down again. I shudder at the grandeur of this achievement.
And, to be honest, losing is probably more fun than winning. One appreciates the game more, and you don't run the risk of turning into a Yankees fan. The perfect example is the Red Sox, whose fans were crusty yet lovable New Englanders until just a couple of seasons ago. Winning, however, has turned them into insensitive louts who are no fun to be at a game with.
So hang in there, Mariners fans. After awhile, it's a badge of honor to have endured so much mediocrity.
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If the Mariners actually were good (and I mean legitmately good)
I’m not sure we’d know what to do with ourselves.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
by Goose on May 13, 2008 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I get confused when we show hints of success
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by I'm NOT Corco on May 13, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of rooting for awesome teams like the Rays,
We’d be rooting for terrible teams like the Giants, so that the warm familiar feeling of Fail was still there.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
by Goose on May 13, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
That was a nice compliment. I think you are pretty spot on with:
Here, and at USS Mariner, you not only roll Sisyphus’ boulder up a hill, but can explain, using cold, hard logic, why it will fall down again.
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything said
I remember being at an Ms Red Sox game in 2003, all the Sox fans were so fun to be around it was great… then the WS happened… fuck
by mariners124m on May 13, 2008 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Mariners are indeed an amusement park ride
It’s just that they’re the one over there in the seldom-visited corner of the amusement park, with half its neon dead, and a bunch of litter scattered around it and graffiti on it. The one making all those ominous squeaking noises as the one-toothed, vaguely fish-smelling carny simultaneously reaches out for your ticket and shoves you in, leaving you no choice but to get on, even though you know it won’t end well when you do.
Mariners Mojo – Catch It Today!
Seriously, though, thanks for the nice words…
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the part where one of us has to pull out the typical Angels fan routine
Hay man you dont no wut ur talking bout. teh m’s are gonna be awesum in 3 years u just wait. dont be a hater that u like the scrubs and u never win. trolllllll
In all seriousness? I can’t imagine having that long of a WS drought – as M’s fans, we have no right to complain after what the Cubs have been through. Though I would like to poach Kosuke Fukudome from you guys and play him in left field…
Hopefully both our teams can get a WS, although something tells me the Cubs will just be that much more lovable if they come close and fall yet again. The Mariners? Well they’re funnier in epic failure than in coming close and not making it.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there's more than a few Cubs
the Mariners fans would like to steal.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou?
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 13, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee?
Would solve our first base woas.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My grandfather just turned 90 last week.
He lives near Champaign and is a lifelong Cubs fan. It blows me away he has never seen them win it all. Yet he still keeps watching them every day with a smile on his face.
I like to think he taught me how to be an M’s fan.
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's my worst fear
to be that old an never see one. and I’m only 23.
by Clown baby on May 13, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate this!
I am forever grateful that at least that at least we Mariners fans have two of the best baseball blogs in the league, despite cheering for one of the worst operated team in the league. I can agree that I feel losing makes someone a bigger fan of the team, even though it would be nice with a win.
Its not that we hate the team, we just hate how its run. Even though there will always be something to criticize about any club, I feel that the Mariners make way too many stupid decisions, and sometimes you have to wonder if Bill “The Negotiator” Bavasi is even qualified for his job (maybe his dad being the great Buzzie Bavasi helps). If the team was ran like one of today’s smart teams (Rays, Indians, Diamondbacks, Brewers, A’s, etc.), I think the criticisms for this team would sharply decline. But it never will be until Lincoln and Armstrong are fired, or they figure out that baseball teams are operated differently today than in the past.
I don’t think I can switch my alliance from the M’s, partially because I live in Seattle, but also I have dedicated too much time and effort cheering for this team to cheer for someone else. I feel the cubs fans are probably the same. And the Mariners have even been compared to the Cubs of the AL, because they were a bad team with good attendance and a habit of playing veterans (I am not sure if the cubs always did this, but I know Dusty Baker did). Now attendance is declining here is Seattle, so that comparison no longer seems true. Hopefully this is the wake up call needed to make major changes in the club.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but the Cubs aren’t very good at building a team either? From what I understand, the club has spent enough money on the team to make it foolproof from losing, is that correct? I understand the Cubs now give more way to younger players who deserve a shot, rather than coddling their aging veterans (Geovanny Soto is amazing He sure has raked for my fantasy team). I just wish the Mariners got a hint about their catching dilemma, rather than extending their aging catcher for 3 years and a crap load of money. Good luck with your team, and hopefully one day the Mariners will have a loyal and dedicated fan base like the Cubs.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Edmonds,
Felix Pie.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
by rfloh on May 14, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody anywhere is happy about this move at all.
by JI on May 14, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Edmonds is happy.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on May 16, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we narcissistic for recommending a post that says good things about us?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on May 13, 2008 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm lucky
I live in Indianapolis so I get the Colts (a model franchise), but the Mariners do humble me. The Cubs are the closest MLB team so that’s who a lot of my friends support and I think I hear daily “How the m’s doin” but I think all the negativity makes me a better person
by WCLittleGiant on May 13, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Model franchise?
...lol
Northeastern University Huskies: Mediocre hockey, guaranteed.
by Carl Johnson on May 14, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do they do wrong?
The draft well, have good coaches, stay out of trouble, and win. What else is there?
by WCLittleGiant on May 14, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they pump crowd noise into their arena
they play indoors
their quarterback is borderline insane
Northeastern University Huskies: Mediocre hockey, guaranteed.
by Carl Johnson on May 14, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laser rocket arm...
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBS admitted the crowd noise was their fault and the NFL
said there was nothing illegal going on. Playing indoors makes them a bad franchise? What? How is Peyton insane?
by WCLittleGiant on May 14, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insane in a good way...
he’s one of the five best players in the NFL… he works harder and understands the game better than any QB I’ve ever seen… he’s a legitimately great player
by seattlebruin on May 14, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You spelled Douschbag wrong
As did I, I think.
Your favorite meme is dead
by Edanger6 on May 15, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why but this comment is hilarious
by Graham on May 15, 2008 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee golly Christmas
I cannot stop laughing.
by Slica on May 22, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope I don't have to wait until 2077 or later for a World Series
Of course, by then, there may not be enough oxygen left for life to survive on Earth.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on May 13, 2008 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mars will win the World Series that year, anyway.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on May 14, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way, it's Venus all the way
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 14, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a team of all women winning the WS any time soon.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 14, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 69 years from now. How is that soon?
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 14, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa! 69, dude!
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on May 14, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this comment is in desperate need of a semicolon.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 14, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you assume the Venetians will simply come to this planet and immediately break into baseball?
I can’t even talk to you if you’re going to be this irrational. It will take them at least 10 years to get used to our atmosphere where they’d be able to even run the bases. Then we’re talking learning curves, trial and error, independent leagues… Jacqueline Robinson will have to come to the bigs, and even then it’s unlikely she’ll be accepted right away. And then a team of all women? Do you have any idea how bad that will be for PR? Sure, the Venetian Democratic Republic may be happy, but once they come here and take all of our jobs, expect a backlash that doesn’t land them that opportunity.
Seriously. 2116 at best.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 15, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who mentioned Venice? Or did you mean Venusians?
I can tell you’ve put a lot of thought into this. A rather disturbing amount, actually. As for your analysis, I would suggest that the games won’t be played here – nothing will survive on Earth at that point, as Mariner John pointed out. Secondly, there won’t be a J.R., as the Venusians will have their own league, which will join with MLB. American, National, Martian, Venusian – that’s how it’ll play out. Just you wait. Finally, Venusian women are uber-hot. PR shouldn’t be a problem. Nice try, though.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 15, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm...
I find your points foolish and unresearched. These “Venusians” as you so correctly spell them have a light orange hue from living too close to the sun. They are mildly attractive at best. Secondly, you believe they will play their games on Venus? Talk about park effects. If the batters can even see the ball in the white/yellow atmosphere, chances are that every pop up will leave the yard, thanks to 9% less gravity. Finally, Mariner John’s timeline is clearly in error, as the earth will not run out of oxygen until at least 2203, which casts his credibility into doubt and puts the rest of your hypotheses into question. Though I do not have a problem with your belief in a 4 league MLB, I simply disagree that it will be the case. But time will tell, my friend. Time will tell. We shall revisit this in later in the coming century.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on May 15, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm glad that's settled
.... for now.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 15, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's LFoJL when you need him
This seems like a good time for an A League of Their Own reference
by OlSalty on May 15, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When isn't it?
“Did anyone ever tell you, you look like a penis with that little hat on?”
and
“Uh, Lord, hallowed be Thy name. May our feet be swift; may our bats be mighty; may our balls… be plentiful. Lord, I’d just like to thank You for that waitress in South Bend. You know who she is – she kept calling Your name.”
Also,
Jimmy Dugan: Ballplayers? I don’t have ballplayers, I’ve got girls. Girls are what you sleep with after the game, not, not what you coach during the game.
Ira Lowenstein: If we paid you a little bit more, Jimmy, do you think you could be just a little more disgusting?
Jimmy Dugan: Well, I could certainly use the money.
Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?
by The Alaskan on May 15, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, 3744 (if I may call you 3744)
Whaddaya think of the newest Cub, Mr. Jim Edmonds?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 14, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
I may have missed a player or two, but every time the Cubs do business with the Cardinals (or sign ex-Cardinals) it does not turn out well for the North Siders. Brock for Broglio, Sutter for Ken Reitz, Todd Zeile, whatever. My hope is that Edmonds runs into the ivy and sustains just enough of an injury to sideline him without actually doing any damage. Because Cubs fans are not cruel. Then, the Cubs can platoon Pie and Reed Johnson, get decent defense, and see what happens. It pains me to look at Edmonds’ numbers.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on May 15, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually starting to like it when this team loses
I’m a lifelong Mariners fan and probably always will be, but knowing that the season is already over, the losses are just more entertaining than the wins. I think it’s because when we lose, we tend to do so in spectacular fashion, like we’ll have 3 errors in one play or the bullpen will give up 6 runs or they’ll invent some brand new way of losing I’ve never seen before. There’s a point where it goes from depressingly bad to hilariously bad, and that’s where we’re at now.
by OlSalty on May 15, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Vidro eats the ball, and we forfeit.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on May 15, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is written infinitely better than I would have put it
But I’m an A’s fan that has taken to reading this blog for exactly the same reasons.
by SkipT on May 22, 2008 6:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The most impressive part
Every day I’m here, I get more and more frustrated with your brain trust and even though my fandom benefits from their ineptitude. As a fan of baseball, it makes me nearly physically sick to my stomach to see decisions be made consistently that are not just logical risks that don’t work out, but completely indefensible to begin with. Meanwhile, its some how a surprise to the many people who follow this game for a living when things aren’t working out. In short, I don’t get it.
All I can say is please continue to make me laugh my head off regularly. Otherwise, I’m not sure how anyone could get through this.
by SkipT on May 22, 2008 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an A's fan, you have the added benefit of being able to contrast our terrible decisions with those in Oakland
which are, for the most part, pretty smart.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on May 22, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think the hilarity of our banter (trying to sound intelligent)
Has alot to do with our team in general. Not because they suck exactly, but because of why they suck. And who sucks. And why those whos suck.
We’re a Heidi Fleiss escort service.
by Slica on May 22, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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