Hey Guess What
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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After yesterday's game, we now officially have the worst team defense in baseball.
Suck it, Giants.
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We are the worst!
We are the worst! We are the worst!
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Woooooooo!
High Five!
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
by Goose on May 13, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you missed! TRY AGAIN FIVE!
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
High-fiving white guys.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on May 13, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Nye before he was the science guy...
I remember the old days of “Almost Live”
by Fin on May 13, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got those old episodes.
My dad taped em years ago. Great stuff.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for those that don't...
King 5 still has the page they put up to promote the reunion show a few years ago. It has a few clips on there.
The Lame List was the greatest.
But of the sketches on that page, the Green River Dance is the best.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 14, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful.
I’ve almost given up on this year. Not the TEAM mind you, but this year. The sooner I can accept the fact that we mortgaged the future for the present, and yet the present still sucks, the happier I will be.
Once I accept the fact I can just watch the games because I love baseball, and not worry so much about individual wins and the standings.
BTW, if I had booted a ball twice in softball like Lopez did on that play, I’d STILL be getting shit from my teammates. That was more than a tad frustrating.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh... I gave up on this year over 10 days ago.
Get with the times.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was busy this weekend.
Missing out on watching a few games took a toll on my pessimism.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Giants, you guys are a bunch of winners!
We’re going down!
by Fin on May 13, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see this one.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!!
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the one!!
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically the kids don't want to play baseball, so they are trying to lose on purpose
but every other team they play also wants to lose so they can go home and play video games. They keep winning until they are at the finals and they finally lose to Denver. Its a good episode, especially since we can relate this to the Mariners right now.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so excited to play the Padres
For the outside chance that the game will go 45 innings
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited to play the Padres
This could really be a pivotal series.
by Graham on May 13, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strasburg is rooting for us to win
So he can stay in sunny SD with Jeff.
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will kidnap that motherfucker if I have to
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think he's pitching today
and I just realized that SDSU isn’t in Chula Vista. I thought it was a hell of a lot farther away than it actually is.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would move to San Diego just to watch a rotation with him and Peavy in it
by Graham on May 13, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time I go down there to visit one of my best friends
My wife asks why we don’t consider living there. She hates it when I always answer that Safeco Field is the only place I have front row seats.
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause the weather sucks.
Hot = bad.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on May 13, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A/C = wonderful invention
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego is not hot
Unless you consider 84 degrees, every day, all summer long to be hot, in which case anything south of the 45th parallel will be too hot. San Diego’s real problem is that it’s obscenely expensive. Stupid idyllic climate.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been SCORCHING this spring :(
like LA in August hot
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's crazy
but then again, it’s supposed to hit 90 in Portland on Friday and Saturday, so I guess crazy is relative.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
90's in Seattle this weekend as well.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok 83
still pretty warm, but not 90s
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty surprised too
it takes a pretty severe heat wave to get Seattle into the 90’s this time of year. 83’s about perfect.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just going by what they said on the news this morning.
I’d be surprised if it actually got that high though.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna be the World Series of Suck.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
by Goose on May 13, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my boss gave me tickets to the Friday game already!
Between home and first, 20 rows back! Plus I’m taking a hot girl. This is going to be awesome
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(insert dead meme here)
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'll work.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't insulting Fresno kinda redundant?
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have family in Fresno.
I hate that place with a fiery passion.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like they could use more Bocock in their lives
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or less Fresno.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am petitioning to shorten "more Bocock" to simply "Mocock" or "Mo'cock"
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't want to risk Mocock overexposure
You have to be careful with funny.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad that sentence ended with the word "funny"
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron > Cuddy.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 13, 2008 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bea Arthur > Rue McClanahan > Betty White
oh, wait, I thought we were talking about the Golden Girls.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got tired of seeing the exact same House discussion from yesterday
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's talk about WNBA players then
I think that one 7 foot Russian chick is hot
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're tired of seeing it
Tell JI to get it right.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna pretend you're talking about baseball
so this is what I think you’re saying:
> 
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what would improve our defense? A Gold Glove CF.
BRING BACK GRIFFEY!!!1111
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thank you for giving me the chance to post this again.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see it but I'm going to assume it's the worst player in baseball picture
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's the truth
but that picture still makes me sad.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I don't want KGJ to be the worst player in baseball
even though empirically I know he is. It’s the death of a large part of my Mariner fandom from the 90’s.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing will ever take away from how awesome he used to be
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
and I’ve got enough saved video clips of that swing to last me several years. I just hope he has the good grace to go when he needs to go and not hang on for way longer than he should.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could probably make the argument that he's already hung on too long
in light of all the injuries he’s had
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he probably has.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody hangs on way longer than they should
I don’t think anyone deals with the realization that they’re old and bad very well.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds isn't playing
he could still play.
by JI on May 13, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey was that team for me when I was little.
It’s the death of a large part of my Mariner fandom from the 90’s.
EVERYONE’s Mariner fandom from the 90’s. Junior was our great hope, and I very literally grew up with him. I was four when he came up and six when I went to my first M’s game with him. My dad always used to tell me just to watch Griffey sometimes – not to even watch the game. He was that special of a player.
And I was there in ‘95 when he slid into home to send us to the ALCS. I remember not really knowing what was going on except that it was past my bedtime. It was probably three or four years before I realized how special that game really was. I have tons of ticket stubs littering my room, from Safeco, the Rose Bowl, Pauley, Qwest, Husky Stadium, you name it. I just wish I still had the stub from that game. One of the best days of my life, retroactively.
A huge part of me wants to see Junior hit a bomb off the Hit It Here Cafe wearing Mariners blue because it would bring back all those memories of 91-99 when he was the best player on the planet. Hell, why do you think that cafe is in right field, anyway? I’m grown enough now to know that he’s nothing more than a shell of the player we once saw, but I still want to see it anyway.
Bringing Griffey back has absolutely not baseball reasoning behind it. I know he’s a terrible defensive player (hell, he’s even starting to drop the ones he DOES get to, if last night is any evidence), and that he doesn’t hit well enough to be anything more than an ~average DH at age 38.
Maybe I’m being too sentimental, but I loved Griffey. He WAS the Mariners to me when I was little. If we’re not going to be good this year, I wouldn’t mind at all getting to see the Junior reunion tour. Even if he’s a disaster on the field, I’d still enjoy it. It would just be an everyday reminder of how awesome growing up right when the Mariners got good was.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
Insert sarcastic “surprised face” here.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that comment was super emo
I just really liked Griffey and would love to see him finish his career here.
Providing we don’t break the bank and praying he’s not too much of a trainwreck.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing with you.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"those memories of 91-99 when he was the best player on the planet."
Except for Barry Bonds
by Graham on May 13, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a much awesomer farewell tour
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good.
Or wait, that’s bad?
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So more Griffey --> more tanking --> more Strasburg
right?
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I fully endorse a Griffey trade as long as Clement/Wlad/Aumont/Ramirez/Triunfel do not leave us.
Clement especially.
by Graham on May 13, 2008 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence why I keep repeating
I’d be happy to send em Johnson or Feierabend. I’d also like it if we re-worked his contract, but if they spend the $16M and they weren’t gonna spend it on the roster otherwise, hell it’s not my money.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And are we at the point where we're mortally terrified
of Bavasi actually sending them Clement?
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it happens I will be shocked
I’m definitely afraid of it happening, but it’s irrational.
by Graham on May 13, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Common mistake made by people up here.
I think BWAA made that mistake too.
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Barry Bonds WAS the best player on the planet
I have decided that he is an asshole and jerk so that in my Seattle-centric world, Junior can still be the best :(.
But Junior was really, really, really damn good, even if Bonds was better.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, we need to consider the "no chemical additives" + CF/LF factor
Barry’s peak as a player comes after he starts visiting Balco for cream and clear.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only talking 1991-1999
Bonds is quite clearly the better player.
by Graham on May 13, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Graham on this
I wish people would stop thinking Barry got good all of a sudden in 2000.
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just became God-like all of a sudden right about then
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He went from the best player of his generation
To the best player of all time.
by Graham on May 13, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I never realized he's only hit fifty homers once
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough at bats.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 13, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
2004 – 232 BB, 120 IBB, .609 OBP
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
45 homers in 373 at bats.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 13, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't believe that number is real.
by JI on May 13, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
263 OPS+
and that isn’t even the highest of his career
by Graham on May 13, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's fifty points clear of the third best mark of ALL-TIME for OBP in 2004
(he owns the second best season)
I will also argue that had it not been for WWII, Ted Williams may very well have eclipsed the .600 OBP mark at some point
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
165-170 OPS+ in CF isn't exactly jaking it.
Barry’s godfather’s peak in OPS is around 180, and he was more in the 165-175 range, like Griffey was at his peak.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey's highest OPS+ was 171
Barry Bonds beat that 5 times between 91 and 99
by Graham on May 13, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, playing LF.
Position being played does make a difference when evaluating offensive contribution.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legitimate question:
Could Bonds have been a plus defensive centerfielder?
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With his tools, why the hell not
I’d say in his prime he could have easily been average to plus
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
was Griffey even?
some stats don’t think he was.
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say he was plus on sheer athleticism
until he started to slow down in the late 90s. Of course I can’t really back that up…
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, man
Griffey’s OPS peak is comparable to Willie Mays, like I said. This is close to a Williams-DiMaggio discussion (except with Ted WIlliams being able to field and run, but still playing LF).
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn't
But then I am not in the mood to talk about Jr’s defensive deficiencies today.
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see it
Bonds absolutely kills him on OBP. His worst season over than stretch would rank as Griffey’s 4th best.
by Graham on May 13, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams was a better hitter than DiMaggio, which was my point.
And by “better” I mean “arguably the best hitter who never used cream and clear”.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
since people thinking DiMaggio was better are also clearly wrong.
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, isn't the story that it was a close race
and that some sportswriter who hated Williams didn’t even put him on his ballot?
I think Williams’ personality killed him in those kinds of votes
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak the most unbreakable record in baseball?
or is it Bond’s .609 OBP
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what's a dumb debate?
most unbreakable record debates.
(not picking on you, your question is actually fine, it just sparked a memory)
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cy Youngs 511 wins!
Fernando Tatis’ 2 GS in one inning!
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact:
My uncle did some stats research for a baseball org, possibly SABR. He found that in all sports, the 56 game hitting streak is the only time in any sport that a player was actually “Hot” and not just meeting his own probability. I hope I’m explaining that right, I hadn’t spoken with him about it for like 5 years.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 14, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams is one of the most underrated players ever.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This word, "underrated"?
I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People tend to undervalue how great his hitting was
because he missed 5 prime years and much of his value was tied up in OBP.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people undervalue those missed years
age 24, 25 and 26 seasons. Absolute giant years for an established hitter.
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which people?
I’m not trying to pick a fight, but Ted Williams is pretty much universally regarded as one of the, if not the, best hitters of all time.
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When people say hitter, they tend to mean batting average.
He is often compared to Tony Gwynn and players like that. If the MSM believed he was one of the greatest offensive forces ever the debate would be between him and Ruth.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Also, the best regular season record from 1946-1950, the years we hear OMG TEH YANKEES AND DODGERS?
The Boston Red Sox. Led by… Ted WIlliams.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Underrated in that he
Was an amazing hitter, fighter pilot, Marlin fisherman and frozen head.
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His latest years as a frozen head have been disappointing
but I tend to blame that on the leaking freon.
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
easily the third best hitter in baseball history
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's an arguement to be made
that he was a better hitter than Ruth.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Babe Ruth's fucking comic book swing
by Graham on May 13, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least he relaized that small ball was for retards
for that we can be forever greatful
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, there's an argument to be made.
I don’t believe it though.
Bonds – Ruth – Williams
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bonds' peak was far and away the best
but Williams was a lock for a ~.490 OBP well into his late 30s.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second best if you don't count cream or clear
I’d say Williams at peak > Bonds. As a hitter.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That being said, Bonds should win out on baserunning/fielding
and there’s pretty much a tie on “dickhead” factor.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Williams an ass to non-media people?
by Jed MC on May 13, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, yup.
There’s the spitting incident. OTOH, he was a big guy for the Jimmy Fund. He was just kind of a jerk.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do we really know how much roids helped him?
Bonds was already close to the best hitter of all-time before Roids. I don’t know, I’m not sure I believe Steroids can add 35 HR to your bat in one year. I don’t know.
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by BrettJMiller on May 13, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Bonds was close to the best hitter of all time before the PEDs
by Graham on May 13, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go find me other players who hit career peaks at age 36.
Even guys like Edgar Martinez, Patron Saint of the Late Career Peak, peaked at 32.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank Aaron
.327/.410/.669 aged 37
.301/.402/.643 aged 40
Williams:
.316/.451/.645 age 40
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, not his peak.
1941: 235 OPS+ in 143 games
1957: 233 OPS+ in 132 games
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the '57 season was the one I referenced.
Which you could argue was more impressive considering there was a much wider talent pool than there was in 1941.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is more impressive
adjusted lines:
41 – .390/.537/.705
57 – .392/.529/.741
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
games played makes a difference
Also, check out the year before/year after for both years.
There’s no way you can say Williams in late 30’s = Williams in 20’s.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I agree Bonds is unique in that aspect
but some of the greatest layers ever were fairly consistent into their late 30s/early40s.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but consistent =! career peak
Esepcially when it’s going from 180-200 OPS+ to 220-250 in your late 30s.
THAT is why he’s not the best without PEDs.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is arguing that Bonds didn't take PEDs
and that those PEDs didn’t turn him into superman.
I can’t remember where I read it, but there was an article that played out the odds of a 37 year old man legitimately hitting 73 homers—and those odds were worse than having a LD% of .008
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank Aaron?
best OPS+ years were in his mid/late 30s
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check his home/road splits in Atlanta for HRs
Basically, Hank Aaron went from a crappy HR park in Milwaukee to a good home run park in Atlanta.
If you look at his ROAD career, he peaks around the same time as everyone else… but his HOME career peaks late.
I say “park effects”.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it?
So OPS+ is adjusted perfectly for Safeco screwing righties and being OK for lefties? I thought it was a bit broad-brush for that.
Basically, I’m saying that Aaron figured out how to work his park to his advantage in his mid-late 30’s, and he couldn’t do that in his 20’s because County Stadium didn’t offer an advantage, and that if you put 25 year old Hank Aaron in the same park playing home games as 35 year old Hank Aaron for a couple of years, I think 25 year old Hank Aaron wins, and the road splits seem to bear that out.
Bill Dickey is another guy who started showing extreme home/road splits later in his career, FWIW… and it looks like he also got a boost from the park.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou Gehrig seems surprisingly underrated as well.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 14, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm six months older than Junior
Every time he’d do something amazing, I’d think “he’s (insert age at time of awesome thing), I’m (same age), and I work in a financial services company. What the hell did I do wrong?
All I want out of a Junior return is the Crash Davis “one more day in the sun”. Especially if this season keeps up the way it’s going – I will unashamedly give in to unabashed sentimentality for the rest of the summer if the M’s still blow and Griffey’s in town.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, I'm the same way with Felix
right down to being about six months older than he is.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what f'ing sucks?
Being a few days older than Player A.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on May 13, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey's older than Player A
so it can’t suck that bad…
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brother is a day younger than Sidney Crosby
And he’s finishing his sophomore year in college. Feels kind of weird.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Triunfel would be graduating high school next month
by Graham on May 13, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm depressed now
Most of the kids playing AAA ball nowadays were born in or around the year I graduated high school.
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember when 8th greaders seemed like adults.
by JI on May 13, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those were the days
And when you would dress in your little league uniform and dream of playing in the big leagues one day.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember the first time I figured out how old I'd be in 2000
and my little 11 year old brain couldn’t fathom being 31.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strasburg would be my peer
Also Tim Lincecum was a senior in high school when I was a freshman, and I was friends with seniors when I was a freshman. Also, he went to the rival high school, Liberty.
by Fin on May 13, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's getting very close for me as well.
:(
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on May 13, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did KGJ start? and why?
Junior, Griffey or Jr are better.
by Matthew on May 13, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be okay with GKGJ, perhaps
but I usually use Junior.
And in answer to the actual question, I have no idea.
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It keeps making me think we are talking about Kevin Garnett
by Sec 108 on May 13, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He plays for Green Bay, not Cincy
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would also be useful
Next time Kason Gabbard throws “at” Richie, KGB can sack the pitcher
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Garnett would be an awesome addition to this team
if Richie is a good 1B because he’s tall, imagine KG over there…
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It started for me because I'm lazy
and KGJ is less characters than Junior. But I do actually prefer Junior.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me as well
and yet I still want him on this team
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm okay with
a league average DH as long as we don’t give up too much for him. Add Griffey, subtract Vidro, that’s got to be worth a couple of wins, even if Griffey does suck in the outfield.
by wysiwyg on May 13, 2008 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
You’re gonna pay out the ass for him. Why keep mortgaging the future
Aussie, Aussie, Aussie
by cougfan on May 13, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it only costs Johnson or a throw-away minor league arm
and next year’s option isn’t picked up, it’s an OK trade.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to call a moratorium on "he's going to cost too much"
because I think the Junior supporters KNOW that he’ll cost too much, which is why we always add “as long as we don’t ridiculously overpay for him” to the “bring back Junior” comments
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything >0 is "too much"
and you’re right, it doesn’t freaking matter.
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. he's the 1B now.
That is, until he eats 1B.
:(
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If cursed means "so bad I wish Richie was in there,"
then yes
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, it does come with frogurt.
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's bad.
Unless Vidro eats the frogurt, in which case, it’s good.
by eponymous_coward on May 13, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's implied that Vidro eats everything
I just hope he doesn’t eat Wlad
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He ate the base so nobody can find it
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is everyone out or safe then?
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's safe from that gullet
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by pdb on May 13, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random bit of information:
Jason Giambi has a BABIP of .128
by JI on May 13, 2008 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ
That’s got to be historically unlucky.
by BrianL on May 13, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but his LD% is .008.
So, yeah, he’s pretty much right in line.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 13, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(this was a joke by the way)
(albeit a bad one)
(and after this, I’ll be done talking in parenthetically)
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 13, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit. "talking parenthetically"...not "in parenthetically".
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 13, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering about that...
You’d need 12500 at-bats to have a hope of a 0.008 LD%
by Graham on May 13, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the conversion to expected BABIP?
by seattlebruin on May 13, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LD avg + .12
So say a player has a 25% LD rate. His expected BABIP is .370.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip
by Phildopip on May 13, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bavasi is alarmed at the team's performance.
Heh.
by ThundaPC on May 13, 2008 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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