5/12: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
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Griffey blows. Ken Griffey Jr is an absolutely terrible baseball player.
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I didn't want to make a fanpost out of this.
But Carlos Delgado’s agent is insane.
http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2008/05/breaking_news_delgados_agent_i.html
That can't be real
I refuse to believe that anyone with Carlos Delgado’s reputation as a generally good guy would have that person as an agent…
by seattlebruin on May 12, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Griffey worse than GMJ right now?
Just wondering if I could somehow be thankful (relatively) for Gary.
the other angels fan
Hits worse, fields worse, throws worse
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
There is reason to believe that Griffey is a -35 < x < -25 defensive outfielder
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure there is
but it the same time I find it hard to believe that Griffey has worse instincts and skills than Ibanez does.
by JI on May 12, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
So is Ibanez
I know he’s horrible but I refuse to believe that he is Raul horrible.
by JI on May 12, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Churchill wrote
"Griffey is at least better defensively than Ibanez is.
What USSM and LL probably don’t see yet is that Griffey is at a disadvantage when it comes to all the sabr stats for defense.
Without formulating it in (it’s totally unintentional) the stats skew to players that play in bigger ballparks.
He’s got more room to cover and gets to this % of balls hit out there, so he must be better…
Ridiculous."
I do not know anything about defensive stats, just wanted someone’s take on this who knows how to measure defense, since Churchill’s is an opinion I respect.
Seems like it would be the opposite, and they would skew to the smaller parks
because the guys in smaller parks turn a greater % of balls in zone into outs (conceivably) because the zone is smaller
by seattlebruin on May 12, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I respect MGL's more
to say nothing of Churchill. MGL is just really smart. I tend to believe what he says.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason's wrong
Parks are compensated for.
by davidcameron on May 12, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
he plays 2B
and plays it pretty well.
Do you understand how that makes a straight OPS comparison dumb?
Yes. I'm pointing out that OPS is not always a great
way to judge a hitter.
Cheeseburgers are delicious.
I wonder if Lincoln will order Bavasi to acquire the Whiffster
Just to placate the unruly masses.
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As a DH he'd be somewhere at or below average
As a position player he’d be nothing short of an apocalyptic nightmare.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I still dont understnd defense stats
I was trying to show that he can’t hit anymore either
Is Griffey worse than Andruw Jones?
I went to the Dodgers game on Saturday and holy shit Jones looks DONE. Why they continue to play him and not Eithier I do not know.
The poster formerly known as Matt.
Wait they're not playing Eithier?
I thought they got smart at the beginning of the season and said that Pierre was the 4thOF. What happened?
the other angels fan
Kemp was the odd man out at the start of the season
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by Frosty Raptor on May 12, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He's now everyday and Either is odd man out.
They’re both on my fantasy team, so I know this. Ha ha.
For awhile Ethier was playing every day
but then when Juan Pierre started walking more they put him back in the line up and started playing Kemp every day. Andruw Jones continues to get starts for whatever reason.
I don’t understand Torre’s thinking. First Ethier is every day and Kemp is not, then it is the other way around. They both need to be in the lineup in order to give the Dodgers their best chance of winning.
The poster formerly known as Matt.
Well, if you think about it, it's actually pretty obvious.
He got hurt with the Mariners right? But they were all from smashing into walls and stuff. With Cincinnati, they’ve all been stupid injuries that, with a decent training staff, could be prevented.
Cheeseburgers are delicious.
I doubt this is true.
Plus (forgetting the 10 years he played in the Kingdome) they had turf in Cincy too. Turf will fuck you up.
Again, make more sense, you can’t just say a bunch of random stuff and expect everyone to know what you mean.
by JI on May 12, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Bob Finnigan has a hit out on Jeff right now.
Be afraid Jeff, be very afraid.
Some people cut themselves. I root for the Mariners.
Finnigan will eventually catch up to him.
It may take one year, two years, or even a couple of decades, but he’ll catch up to him!
Cheeseburgers are delicious.
Padilla pitching again?
Hmmm, I might just have to watch this game for the potential fireworks.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
No.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
With you Coach, I can't be to sure.
And I was saying no from Arizona’s perspective.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
.....
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
Griffey may blow
But he’ll be a Mariner before the end of the year. Maybe even in Center Field, but probably DHing.
With Jarrod "The Magic School Bus" Washburn on the hill
Can I petition to make that Wash’s new nickname? He throws his teammates under the bus and was caught with girls who belong on school buses. I think it’s a win.
by seattlebruin on May 12, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It certainly wouldn't be lacking for hilarity
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't even know how they'd fit him in
but I imagine it would be right field since DH’ing him would either bench Clement or bench Johjima.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Worst player in baseball
Looks like he’s desperate for a piss.
I hadn't seen that, it's pretty funny
but you know you can actually say “his jock” on here and you won’t get in trouble, right? We like pottymouths.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Coach hates swearing
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 12, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be awesome if Bedard could throw up one of those
12-16K games at some point.
Neyer agrees, hops on Whiffey is not M's savior bandwagon
From the Neyer…
Griffey might have some real value as a drawing card. Based on what he’s done over these last three seasons (including this one), he doesn’t have much value as an actual player, and might struggle to be an average American League hitter. I can see acquiring him only if it’s not at the expense of the young players and the M’s have concluded that they’re out of the running for a playoff spot.
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Is this why Steve Phillips isn't a General Manger anymore?
TRADE JUNIOR Yes, Ken Griffey Jr. is one of the few reasons to visit Great American Ball Park, but it’s time to make the tough decisions. Griffey is signed only through this year, with a club option for 2009. As a 10-and-five player, he can veto any deal, but Chicago is a popular destination, so call White Sox GM Ken Williams, who’s tried to get Griffey in the past, and ask for Josh Fields or Carlos Quentin. The Sox have a shot, and Griffey would be huge in Chi-Town. Then call up top prospect Jay Bruce, and put him in center for the next 10 years.
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Holy frak it doesn't end!
On trading Adam Dunn, Phillips says thusly…
Go to the Giants, who need offense to replace Barry Bonds, and ask for Matt Cain. Go to Toronto and request a package that includes Adam Lind and Dustin McGowan or Shawn Marcum. Call Cleveland, which is desperate for bats, and ask for Cliff Lee and one of these three: OF Franklin Gutiérrez and lefties Jeremy Sowers and Aaron Laffey.
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by Frosty Raptor on May 12, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Three Cheers
No Cairo today…..
Three Boo’s for Vidro at first base batting second!
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
There are fewer good jokes to be made about Cairo
So it’s an improvement from a game-thread perspective. Which is all that matters these days, really.
You can make many fat and eating jokes about Turbo
by eponymous_coward on May 12, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel it may be a strong theme tonight
Especially when he is forced to leave mid-game with back spasms.
KGJ = Raul
They’re both immobile DHs who have no business playing OF or hitting against LHP.
If the AL goes to a double DH league, getting Griffey would be great. Otherwise, it’s a disaster. The Mariners need to quit adding DHs to the roster, as they already have 3 (Raul, Turbo, Sexson), and they’ve already gone through a few more (Norton, Morse).
by eponymous_coward on May 12, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions
I just had a horrible, horrible thought.
What if we traded for KGJ and had to eat both his option AND Turbo’s at the end of the season?
That's what the Mariners call "Monday"
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I thought Junior's option was a team option.
by eponymous_coward on May 12, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
KGJ would probably hang it up if he had a terrible 2008
and Turbo won’t play enough to vest if he keeps sucking this badly.
by eponymous_coward on May 12, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Well acquiring Junior would guarantee that there aren't any at bats for Turbo
because dear God, I can’t imagine they’d actually give up Clement or Balentien for him
by seattlebruin on May 12, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Junior to RF
Vidro, for some bizarre reason back to DH, Wlad and Clement back to AAA
Idiotic, but nothing surprises me anymore.
Think Slocumb for Varitek AND Lowe. :(
by eponymous_coward on May 12, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be much worse if they traded Clement/Balentien..
Varitek was 25 and hitting .772 in AAA and Derek Lowe was getting shelled in Seattle. At least they could write it off as two “busts” at the time :(
Clement and Wlad's combined OPS is pretty bad.
Just sayin’.
by eponymous_coward on May 12, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeahhhhh but...
Balentien is at least on pace for 35 hrs and Clement had an over .900 OPS in AAA, so is known to be legit. Plus is 23.
Of course I know what youre sayign though. Too scary to think about haha..
Rays are auctioning off a pitching lesson with Scott Kazmir
Oh man, that would be sweet.
I know this. I'm saying that the Mariners think he is.
good and once they see this, they’ll make “A Hitting Lesson With Jose Vidro”.
Cheeseburgers are delicious.
I hope he's put a bid in
He really stands to benefit. Or blow his elbow out.
Win either way.
Some little kid is gonna get his elbow slaughtered
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
They're doing a 1 hour hitting lesson with Cliff Floyd too
That’s 5 mins of hitting practice and 55 mins learning about hamstring injuries
I want to see in on the back of a Guernsey.
So there.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
What kind of heartless prick would deny a man his well-desrved homecoming?
You know what you are? You’re one of the so-called “SaberMetric” twat scars, that’s what you are. Griffey brings a hometown name and 600HR!
Picked that phrase up from a college buddy who came from Jersey.
It’s really a New Jersey sort of term, when you think about it.
Turbo in the two hole ...
Squinty’s really just throwing darts at a board at this point, isn’t he?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on May 12, 2008 4:38 PM PDT reply actions
I really want to trade for Griffey
If we’re going to suck, I want to be entertained watching the trainwreck, and having Griffey back would be nostalgically awesome.
Bill – go get Griffey. Trade Turbo for him!!! (And please, please, please don’t trade anyone more valuable than Ryan Feierabend)
Griffey would be a nostalgically awesome trainwreck indeed.
Play him in CF!
I don't see why not
this team isn’t going anywhere this year, so put a little fun into what’s left of the season
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
There's ugly and there's unfortunatly ugly.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
Oh shit, that's an ugly motherfucker
I bet if he was a fry cook, he wouldn’t be getting any. Infact…maybe that could be what happened to his face.
Is there any candy left?
I’ll fuck you up if there isn’t. I ain’t afraid of jail-time.
Who had that House "Bros before Hos" gif?
That thing was awesome.
I vote for Bedard
drilling Kinsler in his first at-bat….. just to make the whole series interesting.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
Fire and brimstone eh Dave?
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
I wish Kenji would stay under the damn bus.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
"I eagerly await the day when I can shit in the living room"
~Robert
I wish Wash would go under the bus as well.
And he can take Cairo with him.
Cheeseburgers are delicious.
Whenever I see your screen name, all I can think of is this:
by JI on May 12, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
But I'm pretty sure this is what he's going for
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 12, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
i actually run a fansite for that show..
im a sad person
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 12, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
What the fuck is he in the 2-hole for?
Jesus CHRIST!!!
Turbos up!
I haven’t seen this fat mug on gamecast in a while. Oh Turbo, how I haven’t missed you at all…
Beat Padilla with the ugly stick
with which his mother beat him so thoroughly
by Lents Park Homer on May 12, 2008 5:09 PM PDT reply actions
Beltre really wanted to swing at that...wow
I fucking hate you Mariners
Who?
says the guy who hasn’t been paying attention
by Lents Park Homer on May 12, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Griffey's the dude who played centre for us a while ago
He was pretty good
by Graham MacAree on May 12, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Why did we decide to flat out insult Griffey?
Did he do something recently that deserved our scorn?
...and now I'm here
Beltre 0-1..error charged...Beltre is an unlucky man, still.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Vidro en Fuego, please
Either metaphorically or actually.
Sexy at bat for J-Lo
I fucking hate you Mariners
WTF?
I turn away to do work for like thirty seconds and we have three runs?
WILL BEDARD WIN???????
Feast on Padilla's entrails my children of the sea!
Feast!
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Bad defense.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop blaming Joh!
I fucking hate you Mariners
I love how the Texas crowd booed Hamilton after his error
I mean, he’s had such a shit start to the season.
Welcome to Hardball Made Easy: Lesson 42 - How to Play Hung Over
Special guests the Texas Rangers, with your host Ron Stilanovich
by Lents Park Homer on May 12, 2008 5:23 PM PDT reply actions
Felix?
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by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
What with all the non-ironic Surprised Face usage?
by JI on May 12, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It's close, but think about this
It’s perfectly possible to be sarcastically surprised at something that SHOULDN’T be a surprise. Like a MLB team getting a lead for a pitcher.
by eponymous_coward on May 12, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
it's Kenji's fault.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
There will be spoilers so avert your eyes
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on May 12, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Pre-emptive ban, please
I fucking hate you Mariners
I am confident you are joking
but in case you aren’t, you would be banned so fast.
This should be added on to the TOS.
No House Spoilers.
Well the game's already over on the east coast.
I’ll give you a hint. Miguel Cairo does not hit a pinch hit grand slam in the 7th
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on May 12, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Should have taken my advice
and just drilled Kinsler, he’d be at third at most.
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Ramon Vazquez
or Padilla’s mug. One or the other.
by seattlebruin on May 12, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hot-dog seller won't be around
Vidro will have cleaned him out.
At least we don't have Zito's contract.
Why can't Ranger fans spell "Richie." Anyone else see that dumbshit's sign?
“Richy”? Haha. Oh yeah, this is Texas. Nevermind.
So we'll be using our whole bullpen tonight.
I fucking hate you Mariners
watching that
I got the feeling Bedard wasn’t too thrilled with Kenji during that conference at the mound.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Bedard will throw Kenji under a tank or something
seems like the bus would be too gentle for a guy like Bedard
by seattlebruin on May 12, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bedard won't throw Kenji under anything
he doesn’t talk to the media…. I’m just trying to see if others seem to have an issue with Kenji.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The pitching staff as a whole doesn't love him
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You know those Japanese.
Stubborn stubborn stubborn.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Does "aller + verb" not work here?
I can’t remember, nearly 10 years since I studied French.
He did a couple times
that’s why Kenji went out to the mound.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Good ol 4-6-3
At least we don't have Zito's contract.
1000 hours in photoshop
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 12, 2008 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
It sounded good...nice crack of the bat.
I fucking hate you Mariners
What the hell is with Balentien's home/road splits for OPS?
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on May 12, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions
So forgive me for asking
but what’s the story with Bedard’s fastball? Has it always been a 91 MPH pitch?
Since he's been awesome, yes.
NEEDS LESS SUCK
ok let me specify
When he was healthy.
Take out when he was hurt, and the month of April when he was 88-90 and it will probably be 92-93 average.
Why would you take out the month of April?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering he's constantly injured I don't think it's fair to throw that out
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, are we talking about his average, injuries and all
or if what we are seeing now is who he is when he is healthy.
Right, that is why I am saying his FB is slightly slower than it is when he is healthy.
Which is one reason his swinging strike rate is down
Nah
That ball was freakin’ pounded… and trailing towards second base.
The only thing you can say is, he should have dived
but to get that with his glove and throw it in stride would have been impossible.
I'm not 100% certain
there was an old Yuni…. he was just better then what was there before him.. now we’re seeing he’s really not that awesome.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
by MfaninAlaska on May 12, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
man i wish i could go to safeco someday
just for the stupid crap like that
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 12, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know that he was spectacular
but 2005 Yuni was way better than 2008 Yuni.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 12, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Ive got a bad feeling that this isgoing to be high scoring....
Winds from SSE at 20 mph gusting to 26 mph.
Pitch count a wee bit high
30 with only one out in the second inning? That’s some badness.
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Dave to the ump:
Even my eyes are better than yours.
Was Kenji scared of the ball or what?
Crossed up my ass
Kenji's fault
//left-handed douchebag
NEEDS LESS SUCK
im sorry
my thumbnail looked smaller
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 12, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Smaller with Picard? Sir, that's not possible.
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by Frosty Raptor on May 12, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
thumbnail looked smaller
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 12, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
wrong reply
I’ll shut up
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 12, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone else really sick of Ian Kinsler?
I have him on my fantasy team (you care!), and I still can’t stand him, his floppy hair and his penchant for catching Beltre’s soft line-drives.
Strikeouts.
I like them. Also, stop your bitching Kinsler.
I have a lot of irrational hate for Ian Kinsler
NEEDS LESS SUCK
Brain? where's pinky.
Pop goes the buttsy on the left hand side!!
by PhilKenSebben on May 12, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
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