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Wbc_029_tiny by Jeff Sullivan on in Game Threads Comment 1166 comments

Seattle Mariners at Baltimore Orioles, Apr 7, 2008 12:05 PM PDT


Ichiro CF                 Roberts 2B
Lopez 2B                Mora 3B
Ibanez "LF"            Markakis RF
Beltre 3B                Millar 1B
Wilkerson RF        Huff DH
Sexson 1B             Scott LF
Vidro DH                Hernandez C
Johjima C              Jones CF
Betancourt SS      Hernandez SS

----------                   ----------

Silva SP                 Cabrera SP

Tracking Daniel Cabrera's average fastball:

2005: 96.2mph
2006: 94.8
2007: 94.3
2008: 92.2 (1 start)

I don't know what the Orioles are trying to do here, but it isn't working, as Cabrera's throwing fewer strikes, fewer groundballs, and steadily moving further and further away from the breakthrough superstar candidate that he was three years ago. Now almost 27, it seems unlikely that he'll suddenly take the next step, so I'll just go ahead and predict that before too long someone'll move him to the bullpen in an attempt to harness his batshit tendencies and use them for good. I don't know if it'll work, but would you want to face him? I'd be scared for my life.

Also, Carlos Silva.

LET'S GO MARINERS!!

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I wouldn't be surprised

if Cabrera's arm was hurt.

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitch release data on Cabrera

I can't remember where, but I recall seeing the graphical display of Cabrera's pitching release point(s), and it was, well um, diverse.

Is this a constant problem for tall pitchers?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Apr 7, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I think that was the site I saw the graph from as well. My bad.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Apr 7, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freddy Garcia was consistent too, wasn't he?

He arm slowly but surely gave out. Both guys have similarly reckless but natural fling-it-in motions. Cabrera could be slowly but surely giving out.

by Gomez on Apr 7, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that the last time we said that about Cabrera we ended up shelling him. Yup : http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270809101 HoRam and Cabrera each gave up 7 ER but Ho got the win. Goes to show you that Horacio>Felix because at least Ho can beat the Orioles.

by AZSEAfan on Apr 7, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Silva can pitch a complete game, we'll be okay.

Damn. We won' t be okay, will we?

Fun Fact: Angels third baseman Chone Figgins' first name is actually pronounced "Shawn." And his last name is actually pronounced "Weinberg" (it's a silent "Figgins").

by Thingray on Apr 7, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just thinking about this is killing me

I'm already in a pretty crappy mood seeing as how it's my first day back in the office after a long weekend in Vegas, and my brother won't stop gloating about the bets we made on Saturday (I foolishly took the M's, standing pat with my team, while he took the Orioles straight-up, no spread). On the plus side, I won't be home in time to watch the game. Not sure I could handle that level of torment today.

Free Barry Bonds

by thejew4u on Apr 7, 2008 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

And I know. When you rarely bet on sports, small sample size has a whole new meaning. There was some pretty serious GTE running in the Flamingo sports book Saturday evening.

Free Barry Bonds

by thejew4u on Apr 7, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love games on during work hours

when my boss is away for the day.

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How about that

Richie gets dropped to the 6 hole

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Our 5-8 hitters....

SUCK donkey balls

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked that better

For the microsecond I'd only read "Richie gets dropped"

Free Barry Bonds

by thejew4u on Apr 7, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On yahoo

the lineup has Beltre at 4, Wilkerson, and then Richie

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB.com

has the same line up.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Apr 7, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre after Ibanez?

What happened to his preferring to hit behind righties?

by iheartjavelinas on Apr 7, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Sexson gets moved after after two days when he was actually hitting pretty well?

Does McLaren work on a time delay, or does he just have to wait for the box scores to get translated into Moron?

by Jordan of Boise on Apr 7, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But Wilkersuck gets

moved up..... still a big glaring hole in the lineup with him in there.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 7, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera: Three True Outcome (Sort of) Pitcher

Cabrera 2007:
18.0% K/PA
11.7% BB/PA
49% GB%

Nearly 80% of his batters faced end in a strikeout, walk, or groundball.

by G_ on Apr 7, 2008 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stupid MLB.tv question:

If you've already purchased a basic plan, how do you go about upgrading to the premium one? I imagine they just let you pay the difference, but I can't seem to find it anywhere on their awesomely designed site.

by melack on Apr 7, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Call them.

Last year I bought just the radio package, then decided I wanted to upgrade to the full product. I called the MLB.tv help line and what they did was charge me the full $130 for the premium package, then credited back the money I had spent on MLB Radio back to my credit card. So they gave me my money back, but not immediately. So you might have to "pay for both" for a couple days before you get your refund back on your card, so just make sure there's enough money in your account to cover both costs for a short time period..

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to add to this . . .

MLB was very cool about this when I made the change. Any company in its right mind is going to be helpful when you're trying to give them more money. So you should be cool.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, thanks

Though it would be nice if they just had an upgrade option on their site. Ahh, but that's Major League Baseball, isn't it?

by melack on Apr 7, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PDB (this comment)

says there's an option on the site.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

BELOW this comment.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just don't ask where

i did this last year and I had to wade through a whole forest of links - it may be easier/less annoying to sit there on hold for a while.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 7, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to unsubscribe from the one you have

then subscribe to the premium one. You can do this online or on the phone - phone wait times are absurd right now so online may be your better bet.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 7, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like moving Beltre up, and Sexson down

I really hate moving Brad Wilkerson up a spot though.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah its that splitting the lineup

with LH/RH hitter crap again...

so going into today our lineup consists of
Ichiro - .558 (ops)
Lopez- .984
Ibanez - .815
Beltre - .876
Wilkersuck - .367
Sexson - .810
Vidro - .558
Johjima - .328
Betancourt - .857

Either you've got a good OPS or its total WFB time... ugh.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 7, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evidently I do Since I posted it

its nothing written in stone but its soething to talk about..... you don't have to be an ass if you don't agree with something, read it and move on.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 7, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I like being an ass right back

to people who have nothing better to do then pretend they know everything... so go fuck yourself.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 7, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah let's not do this

there's plenty of room for several assholes here.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 7, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no problem Jeff.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 7, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You dick!

Wait are we still angry?

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope not angry

I'll just wait til the end of the day for another Mrs. McLaren post. :)

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 7, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there's one thing in life that Jeff loves

It's a wide variety of assholes to choose from.

by Jordan of Boise on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might not be able to tell

but you're currently being seduced.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 7, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Is that a roofie I see in your glass?

Free Barry Bonds

by thejew4u on Apr 7, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way the M's have been so patient

Wouldn't surprise me if Cabrera walked a ton today. Then again, it also wouldn't surprise me if he pitched a SO. Let's just hope Sexson and Wilkerson doesn't swing today.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For those of you soccer/football inclined

The team name, colors, logo for Seattle's new MLS side are gonna be announced at a press conference in like five minutes on mlsinseattle.com

by Nick S on Apr 7, 2008 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sonofabitch YES

I totally called that like 3 weeks ago

Where'd you get that image?

by Nick S on Apr 7, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how does this work

Do they have to buy the naming rights from the original Sounders club? Is that club going away now that we have MLS? I haven't followed closely, but I'd like to know more

Free Barry Bonds

by thejew4u on Apr 7, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The current second division Seattle franchise already had the name

and there is some overlap in the ownership between the two. But I will defer to Nick on the specifics.

by G_ on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet!

I'm very happy to see the Sounders name included!

Fun Fact: Angels third baseman Chone Figgins' first name is actually pronounced "Shawn." And his last name is actually pronounced "Weinberg" (it's a silent "Figgins").

by Thingray on Apr 7, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More importantly

did they bring back the old Sounders theme song?

by G_ on Apr 7, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are they going to start that press conference?

All I see on this feed is a bunch of jerks shaking eachothers hands and smiling stupidly into the feed.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what lameass excuse is MLB.tv going to give me...

as for why I'm blacked out of Baltimore games while living in Philadelphia?

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

because you touch yourself

The owners are watching.

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Checking my zip code on their little thing...

Cleary states that I can not watch the Phillies (and why would I want to do that anyway?).
No mention of the Orioles anyway.

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

When the fuck do we get the Mariners' feed?

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Home games

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, did MLB.tv finally smarten up?

Actually, I like it a few years ago when they would have both feeds, but you had to refresh it over and over until you finally caught onto the feed you wanted. But, I am guessing this slowed down the performance. And now they have it so you know what you are getting everyday. I like it, other than long road trips suck.

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That reminds me

anyone notice in Ervin Santana's last start how hard he was throwing? I thought he had a 95mph FB on a good day but sat around 93-94 usually. His last start he was still hitting 98 on the gun as his pitch count hit 100.

the artist formerly known as Mere Tantalisers.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 7, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I'm seconding the bullshit call on that gun

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure hope so

He was pretty stellar against the Twins, and I was getting worried. Then I looked at their lineup.

the artist formerly known as Mere Tantalisers.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 7, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All right, looks like I'll be watching on archive again later on

hope this isn't as big of a waste of time as Friday. >:(

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 7, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Daniel Cabrera

Brandon Morrow in 2 or 3 years?

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

JOY

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ICHIRO POWER SWING!

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HOLY CRAP

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ichi Funk

He's tired of watching the other trying to drive him in.

by IceStormV1 on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even though I didn't get to see it...

ICHIRO RUINS BASEBALL BY HITTING FUNK BLASTS

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well. This is nice.

RaUl. I'll give you one "U" back for the HR...

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 7, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn college book store

ooks like I'm missing a great game

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

damn, everything getting pulled so far

Guess he really has lost some velocity

by hcoguy on Apr 7, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

cabrera isn't the same power pitcher...

it's sad to see. 3-2 breaking balls. but good for us.

by basebliman on Apr 7, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They have two Hernandezes and

they do not even add up to one Felix.

by hcoguy on Apr 7, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but they have a Governor and an Adam Jones :(

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hit and run plz!!

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 12:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Running up his pitch count

Maybe they'll be consistent with it this time and not let him pitch 7 or 8 innings.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

new math

Richie is the new Wilkerson

Jack Perconte choked up.

by GothamMariner on Apr 7, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From The: Who Didn't See That Coming Department

So, I bet on Seattle three straight days and watch in horror as they lose to a team they are far superior than all weekend loss. Stunned. Yesterday, as all of you know, was soul-numbing.

Like clockwork, I finally cut my losses and the team I expected to see all weekend shows up in the first inning against the awful O's.

Good grief.

by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Apr 7, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Quick heads-up

I'm mostly AWOL due to work, but I'm on my lunch break, and the Minor League Wrap-Up for last night is now up, right below the Game Thread on the Main Page.

GO MARINERS.

by Gomez on Apr 7, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what I like about Silva

Fast paced games. That's gotta count for at least 1 million a year.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sexson

Is a big part of the reason that the Mariners kill left-handed pitching. But he's no different from the guy he's always been for them - high-risk, high-reward. Kind of like a bizarro Adam Dunn. Or, because of the lefty-righty-thing there's a good chance they were separated at birth. And, to be fair, he did come up big for them yesterday before the bullpen peed down its leg.

by Doc's Sports Predictions Guy on Apr 7, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Silver lining

Markakis on my fantasy team.

That kid's a baller.

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow.

markakis owns silva. pulled a 3hr hat trick on him last year.

by sammy on Apr 7, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When Markakis came up the 3rd time...

how do you not take Silva out????

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure that

69 runs is no where near the league lead.

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

42 pitches through 2 innings.

Cabrera's efficiency is positively Mechean.

by Llewdor on Apr 7, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gathright would have jumped over Millar.

But seriously, that is one of the few times a headfirst slide to first would work.

by hcoguy on Apr 7, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm so pumped about the Sounders FC

Not even the Mariners can fuck this day up

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

don't tempt fate

they'll find a way

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Words can not describe that.

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Routine ground ball to second

and for some reason Sexson thinks he should make a play on it, so he dives, comes up 5 feet short, and as the ball rolls slowly by him Lopez picks it up and makes the throw to Silva covering at first.

by ack on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silva's kinda sucking

I like grounders. I don't like doubles and long fly balls.

Please, for the love of God greaseface

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAPPY AARP DAY!

Kind of the opposite of Felix day.

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

SO GLAD TO BE BACK.

And get TV in time for a game? I'm just so happy.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 7, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We want Jones to get better...

So he's not allowed to face good pitching? What the hell kind of sense does that make?

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PS -

Ibanez would have swung and missed that.

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was a ball.

Not a bad pitch to throw, though.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you were the O's,

wouldn't you let all the fans in the park come sit in the box seats? It's pretty sad to see empty seats from the batter-pitcher camera.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

God I hate Raul IBanez.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Adam Jones catches that?

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most likely.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

with his eyes closed

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fuck Brian Roberts

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

Silva's looked shitty

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

:signs Luis Hernandez to fantasy team:

by Patrick517 on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now now

the proper baseball phrase is "right down the cock."

by abelard on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Silva's contract

I think he should have to play goalie for the Sounders FC team for free

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

SWEEEEEEEEEEEP

Go Sounders!! hahaha

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh. Good.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ouch. melvin mora.

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's with all the FB's?

I thought Silva was a GB pitcher. Throw the sinker dammit!

Fun Fact: Angels third baseman Chone Figgins' first name is actually pronounced "Shawn." And his last name is actually pronounced "Weinberg" (it's a silent "Figgins").

by Thingray on Apr 7, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bye Bye ballgame!

Get yer brooms out, B'more...

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 7, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This really isn't shocking

It was only a matter of time. Silva's been just terrible.

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, get behind Markakis. Good idea.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 7, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh..Wilk...seriously

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We always pick up players

that had some value..but many years ago...we like reclamation projects, however, we suck at them.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wilk being shitty doesnt so much bother me

wilk not being replaced by wlad/morse until august or never does

by Diatribe on Apr 7, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you do realize that Morse sucks right?

and I mean, significantly moreso than Wilkerson.

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sex Son

I guess that is an improvement from Sexton.

Also when did Sexson grow an inch?

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Apr 7, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wilk and Sexson

We walk or strikeout...hmmm

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

but hitting .150-.225?

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well in the short term

I know SSS..but how long before it's not?

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

couple months

but I have a hard time believing Wlikerson's going to put up a .100 BABIP.

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wilkerson will do better

But I'm not sure you can have two similar players like Wilk/Sexson in the same lineup, let alone hitting back to back. They are like Dunn without the power and without the high walk rate.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilkerson's BABIP is .100.

Tiny sample sizes all around. He doesn't look great at the plate, but at least he's walking.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BELTRE!!!!

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 7, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I LOVE YOU BELTRE!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Beltre

lulz

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Apr 7, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

IN PLAY (RUNS)

the bane and reason for my existence

by Diatribe on Apr 7, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

AGGRESSIVE BASERUNNING!

and awesome inattentiveness by Cabrera

by pmc47 on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

that was fucking awesome!!!

by weebs on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was awesome.

Turbo and King Awesome working together.

by JuliaHope on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Vidro is one lucky suckfest

And Beltre is what we thought he was... King Awesome

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

stepped away for a second and I only have the gameday chart

did beltre just pull a willie mays hayes?

the other angels fan [formerly newlocal]

by Eyebrows on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we have what happened to the dissappearing umpire

Red did it!! "GET AWAY FROM MY BOY!!"

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on the number of times Rizzs has called that play "heads-up"

we're going to have to start calling Beltre Cerberus, or some multiple thereof.

by pmc47 on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yuni Already

has to be like +2 on defense

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dead meme

jk

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silva

I dread to think how fat he gets in the off-season if this is him in "competitive shape".

by Alex B on Apr 7, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!

FUCKING MARINER FAN YOU FUCKBAG

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love how Luke Scott records every at-bat.

When players get sold on doing that shit, it's like being told to write your goals down. Well, you know what, if you quit concentrating on writing that shit down, you might get off your ass and do something. Luke Scott hasn't, and probably won't, realize recording every at-bat is not going to turn him into Barry Bonds. While it is impressive to people like Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer, in reality it is just plain stupid.

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I give it to Edgar.

After all, when the laundry is finished, what else is he supposed to do?

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would consider mental preperation a skill

If it changes your approach at the plate

by weebs on Apr 7, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even then, it would manifest as something that correlates year to year

The sample size required to tease 'clutchiness' out is in the order of 10 seasons and it makes hardly any difference anyway. So it's a skill that's impossible to measure and doesn't effect anything, if it is a skill.

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not a repeatable skill

Which I guess is redundant since if something is a skill it should be repeatable by definition.

by hcoguy on Apr 7, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mental skill?

What, is he doing math calculations as he sees the ball coming toward the plate?

Tell me, doesn't every player carry this specific trait? What makes that at-bat any different than if no one was on base?

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't we discuss this before?

Like, you cannot be "clutch" but you can be "not clutch" (ie, pressure actually gets to you and you become a worse hitter)

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 7, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you happen to have a linky somewhere, Graham?

I would honestly be a little surprised if it had been proven that some players aren't slightly worse in clutch situations than others

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just (more or less) from a BBTN chapter

If anyone would have links here it's Matthew

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, no

I don't have links to clutch studies handy because I figure by now you either accept the vast overwhelming evidence out there or you don't.

Try searching through BaseballThinkFactory

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

K will do after work.

It's not that I don't believe you - I would just like to see the evidence or lack thereof myself.

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? There's no evidence people can do worse than their average?

I believe you, but I do find that surprising.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 7, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypothesis:

If a batter is clutch in a situation, this makes the pitcher un-clutch.

If a batter is un-clutch in a situation, this makes the pitcher clutch.

Clutchness is a zero-sum product.

Therefore, being clutch doesn't actually exist.

A hitter may fare better in certain "pressure" situations, but their success may be attributed to facing un-clutch pitching rather than them actually being clutch themselves.

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but you could make that argument for all at-bats

There should be a large enough sample size with "clutch" at bats that you would see a normal distribution of ABs vs "clutch" and "un-clutch" pitchers

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Yeah but you could make that argument for all at-bats"

Bingo

"There should be a large enough sample size with "clutch" at bats that you would see a normal distribution of ABs vs "clutch" and "un-clutch" pitchers"

Bingo 2x

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really easy to believe that no players would be consistently better in "clutch" situations

because then you would just say "do that all the time you fuckbag."

But like I said, I would definitely be a little surprised (not overly so, but a little) if it were true that some hitters consistently perform worse in "clutch" situations - the kind of guys who let little things get to them

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The conventional explanation for that:

Nobody who lets it get to them like that makes it to the majors due to the emphasis on being a clutch hitter.

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying it would be a dramatic effect, because yeah

anyone who let pressure get to them that badly would never succeed as a professional athlete.

Of course in that case it might just fall into the category of "things that we can't measure and are probably too small of an effect to notice anyway," which you stated above.

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rauuuuul

Please come to the DH side of the force!

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Silva..LOOK

that strike zone is enormous..use it!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raul/Ichiro/Beltre

My fantasy team thanks you. :^)

by bumkus on Apr 7, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Today your fantasy team thanks them.

But at the end of the year, your fantasy team is going to kick you in the balls.

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones got rung up on that same pitch.

Not a strike, but at least each team has been screwed by it.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn it Silva

He lost his bling, it contained all his necessary powers!

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jones hit to to once place...

that he wouldn't have caught it. Just to give it to the man.

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even AFTER hitting the ball...

...Adam Jones would still have caught that.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 7, 2008 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAH Beltre

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate Adam Jones.

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck.

But that was funny over at 3rd

by seattlesundevil on Apr 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's looked ok in the last 3 games

Which is a vast improvement over mind numbingly terrible

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There you big Richie

you still have an ugly swing

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Richie

no one cares if y ou're a nice guy. We want you to hit better.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Apr 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

First hit off Cabrera?

Hmmm. Maybe Sexson doesn't suck after all.

Naaaaaaah...

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by PositivePaul on Apr 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Richie for All-Star?

What can I say, I'm ready for the ASG already

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Back Spasm DP time

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

IBB to Vidro

Obviously the Orioles did not do their scouting report

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

IBB Vidro?

Kenji will GIDP here just to annoy us

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kenji is done too

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Soooooooooo

Jeff Clement anyone?

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not with his defense

Not now, maybe not ever at C.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Clement is good

Not as good as the other two, sure. But good

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loss of bat speed

Did that turn out to be a load of rubbish?

by Alex B on Apr 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looked fine in the majors

Didn't see him in Tacoma at all

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

But, we drafted him because we needed a catcher. And it's probably even odds that he never actually catches in the Major Leagues productively

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

his defensive problems are overstated.

Ramon Hernandez has a major league catching job. Jeff Clement is likely to as well.

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we could get a nice backup

It'd be cool to have them split up the catching duties 4/1 constantly, and have Clement DH the 5th...keep him fresh. Unlike Johjima who always catches and wears down

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's not like I'm rooting against the kid

I want to see him do well, obviously - but I heard he was a ways off. Of course, overstated counts for something, so I'll take it for what it is

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I want to have hope!

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sort of biased

Clement is my favourite Mariner.

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we coulda had Lincecum too

seriously, the one time they pass up a hometown player...

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bite your tongue!

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 7, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those new unis are ridiculous.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Straight and to the point haha

And now the announcers are harping on our lack of patience. Thanks.

by seattlesundevil on Apr 7, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got my fertilizer

I got my bag of nails

It's time to make a Yunibomb!

by Jordan of Boise on Apr 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good swing

Shame it didn't come to anything

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well done Carlos

take what the ump is giving.

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave Trembley

Loves dramatic pauses.....even when......he has nothing.....to say other than....."We have to pitch.....especially starting pitch...."

by Alex B on Apr 7, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh yes today's game brought to you by

King Awesome's fantastic base running and defensive skillz

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What Luke Scott was actually writing in his notebook

"It's only Carlos Silva...
It's only Carlos Silva...
It's only Carlos Silva...
It's only Carlos Silva...
It's only Carlos Silva..."

by Alex B on Apr 7, 2008 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least Silva seems to have calmed down.

But he couldn't have fucking done this before he gave up four runs?

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he can go 7

and only give up 4 in this ballpark, I'm satisfied.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walker is the one with giant platoon splits, right?

So this is Lopez's chance to do some damage?

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ichiro :)

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope!

and not the false kind!

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Classic Ichiro at-bat.

I love watching him face lefties.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKK

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Ichiro!

Extra ice creams for you tonight. 1600.... awesome.

by JuliaHope on Apr 7, 2008 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to JIm Palmer

The average year for Ichiro gives "between 48 and 49 walks".

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not like Ichiro couldn't have just stolen that base.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I do not like you Mac

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, man.

For a sec, I thought the bunt might actually make a tiny bit of sense, but then I remembered that Ibanez was up.

by Teej on Apr 7, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Career .819 OPS vs. LHP for Wilkerson

Career suck OPS vs. pitching for Morse.

Good call, Squinty.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've always defended Wilkerson

You fuckers are crazy for preferring Morse to him.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 7, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Wilk there to, at least he couldl walk.

I still like him as a sub, but not as a regular.

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes indeed

Greg Norton too.

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

sprinkle in some Kenny Lofton too

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike fucking Morse?

GEE WILL THEY BRING IN THE RIGHTY?

Way to screw us out of an inning assclown

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, great.

The Lanky Wonder

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Morse has got some power

buh?

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Apr 7, 2008 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

mor strds plz

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait.... Wilkerson was hitting in front of Sexson today?!?

How did I not know this earlier. I am being lulled into the losing ways of the Mariners.

by Wilder. on Apr 7, 2008 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

who didn't see that pitching change a mile away?

Lower your hand Mac, we know.

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NUMBERS

Mac...looks at Wilk's numbers vs. a lefty...don't just look at him being a lefty. should have pinch hit for Raul if anyone fucker

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so, tie game

our defense is now worse in RF and we have the worse platoon split. Good move!

by Matthew on Apr 7, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I leave my cube for 5 minutes to move my car

and when I get back, I find out that Mac is at it again! FAIL!

by BrianL on Apr 7, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO FUCKING WAY

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Can't do much about that.

by dkulich on Apr 7, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus H. Christ

is the ump watching the same game!?

by BrianL on Apr 7, 2008 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BAHAH..Morse in the OF

DIE Mac

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just to reiterate:

Mike Morse sucks, but that at-bat was in no way reflective of his skills as a baseball player.

by Graham on Apr 7, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

Sims and Blowers hated that move too.

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

STFU Sims

he sucks

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brian Roberts is a cockmonkey

Not sure what a cockmonkey is, but if you're looking for one, he's your man

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

YOU GOTTA BE SHITTING ME

EOF Warming Up??

HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNN!!!!!

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

C-Los

Living up to my irrational expectations, one pitch at a time.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Apr 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW EOF IS UP AND NOT RRS

HEAD EXPLOSION COMMENCING

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 2:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

RRS doesn't exist

This I know, because Johnny Mac tells me so.

by marinator on Apr 7, 2008 2:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BULLPEN PLZ

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 2:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You sure about that?

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Apr 7, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Free Barry Bonds

by JI on Apr 7, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for the record, I called this 20 minutes ago

Five bucks says EOF throws today

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply reply

by seattlebruin on Apr 7, 2008 2:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, Holmgren clearly isn't stupid

I bet he figured this would all happen, and we would find ourselves missing him.

Well, mission fucking accomplished Grover.

by cwel87 on Apr 7, 2008 2:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA!*@*(!

This is sooooooo funny how bad Mac is....I don't get it. Is managing so difficult that 90% of fans know what Mac is doing is retarded?

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 7, 2008 2:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Last night I had a dream

In my dream, I asked McClaren why he doesn't trust Ryan Rowland-Smith.

He responded that he knew RRS was our best lefty arm, but he didn't have the detective skills necessary to conduct a thorough investigation.

Hey, nobody said dreams have to make sense.

by camomilk on Apr 7, 2008 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs