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Something I've been trying to work out in my head since the news broke this afternoon is, why now? I don't mean "why did the Mariners make the changes," because it's obvious why they made the changes, but why did they do them today, in the middle of a series in Cleveland? Even leaving aside the whole service time thing, they usually don't do stuff like this until the beginning of a homestand, so the minor leaguers can sleep in their own beds and travel as little as possible. What made these moves such a priority? Why not just wait until the end of the weekend?

The answer occurred to me somewhere around dinner time. The Mariners made these moves today because, by getting Balentien and Clement their season debuts in Cleveland in a Washburn start, they were minimizing the amount of pressure on the young players' shoulders, since no one would be watching. When you call a prospect up from the minors and give him an important job, you have to worry at least a little bit about how he'll deal with the stress. The Mariners responded to this concern by beginning both their prospects in a stress-free environment. I imagine it's a lot tougher to get comfortable in front of 30,000 fans at home than it is to get comfortable on the road in front of a 55 year old drummer in a game you have no chance of winning. So, good on you, Mariners. Way to turn lack of interest and Washburn's countless limitations into a positive.

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Biggest Contribution: Richie Sexson, +1.3%
Biggest Suckfest: Jarrod Washburn, -15.4%
Most Important AB: Balentien double play, -7.6%
Most Important Pitch: Sizemore homer, -9.6%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -20.3%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -29.7%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
(What is this chart?)

Star-divide

  1. You hear the expression "pitch to contact" all the time about various guys around the league. Jarrod Washburn, for example, is absolutely a pitch-to-contact pitcher. But while you usually think of these guys as letting the ball hit the bat and hoping the defense does the work, I think a more accurate way of looking at things is that, for pitchers like Jarrod Washburn, they simply leave it up to the hitter. And sometimes that doesn't necessarily lead to contact. Jarrod Washburn struck out seven hitters tonight, six of them swinging. 11 times now we've seen him strike out at least six hitters despite not having strikeout stuff, and despite seldom really trying for the strikeout. This is because sometimes hitters are just going to miss the ball, even if the guy on the mound is trying for a grounder or a pop-up.

    What I mean by this is, when Washburn has one of his 6+ strikeout games, it's not because he made an adjustment or changed his mechanics. It's because the batters just missed the ball more often than they usually do, and in the wrong counts. Washburn doesn't own a strikeout pitch. He doesn't go out there trying to make the hitters fish for breaking balls in the dirt. He works in and around the zone, trying for weak contact. Of his seven strikeouts today, one was called - on an 0-2 fastball just off the plate - and six were swinging, of which five came on pitches in the strike zone. And I'd say it's more the Indians' fault than Washburn's that they missed those pitches. Most of the time they'll foul them off or put them in play, but tonight they swung through, and Washburn's K rate jumped as a result. It's neat, but it's not reliable, because it's not done on purpose.

  2. Ordinarily, of course, when a guy piles up a surprising number of strikeouts, he benefits from the lower amount of balls in play. But not Washburn, not tonight. The contact wasn't real good aside from Sizemore's leadoff home run, but all the luck Washburn had with missing bats was erased by weak hits putting men on base. In that respect this felt a little too much like Felix circa 2006.

  3. Cha Baek deserves a better job than the one he's got. Bill Bavasi is actively costing him future millions by refusing to let him go and catch on with some other team's starting rotation. If you're so into ethical behavior, Bill, you'll deal Baek to a team with a need and give his mop-up spot to some random Rainier with a dream. That way you make two people happy instead of zero.

  4. This was RRS' first appearance in a week. Over that span of time, Arthur Rhodes has three, and Sean Green has four. I guess nobody noticed that curveball he threw to Garret Anderson.

  5. I wasn't wild about the way Wlad got his season debut started, putting two pitches outside off the plate in play in his first two at bats, but the home run he hit in the seventh inning is exactly why he's always managed to get people excited despite all kinds of weird issues (some that continue, some that went away) with his approach. Lee gave him a low-outside fastball in a 2-0 count, and Wlad went down and drove it the other way, supplying the bulk of the power and hitting it hard enough to clear the fence. That's no small feat, and it demonstrates both incredible strength and an ability to go to right field. I won't go crazy about the opposite-field hitting until I see it a little more often (remember Kenji's first home run?), but the power is legit, and it's the tool that got Wlad to where he is today. Wlad will miss his fair share of pitches, but the ones that he hits will be hit pretty hard. Remember how I said that I couldn't even imagine what a Wilkerson home run would look like? I can imagine Wlad doing much much more. He...he won't be boring.

  6. Jeff Clement's 2008 Mariner debut: one pitch, one strike, 95mph, line drive base hit to center. With one out to go in an 8-3 game, the pitcher's obviously just going to pipe fastballs until a batter gets himself out, so kudos to Clement for knowing that and taking advantage. I don't know why more people don't do things like this. I don't just mean in blowouts, either. The first pitch of the game by both pitchers is almost always a fastball, so why not anticipate that, make sure it's a strike, and rip away? Might be the most hittable pitch you see all day.

  7. 7024_mediumYou know those crime scene TV shows where they find a skull and use reverse-animation or whatever to figure out what the face would've looked like? Jamey Carroll looks like that face before they add the little subtleties that make it human.

  8. Ichiro can start hitting any day now.

  9. I don't know what to say about Cliff Lee. Looking through his PITCHf/x data, he's throwing nearly 85% fastballs, up from ~72% a year ago. And...that's about it. His pitches are the same, and while the ratios are a little different, that doesn't come close to explaining what's going on. He's also throwing a few more strikes, but again, when a guy goes from a K/BB of 1.8 to a K/BB of 16, you expect to see something a bit more dramatic. This is one of the weirdest fluke months I think I've ever seen. Considering his five starts have come against four of the five worst non-Cleveland offenses (so far) in the AL, he's obviously due for some heavy regression, but I just hope it's not too bad, because I love seeing cool pitchers bounce back from adversity to be successful.

Miguel Batista and Paul Byrd tomorrow at 4:05pm PDT. But they should really just declare that the matchup is Johan Santana against Whitey Ford, because what's the worst that could happen?

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Speaking of Ichiro

what is his BABIP and contact rate right now? The last week or two he hasn’t looked all that bad at the plate.

by BrianL on Apr 30, 2008 11:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Contact rate looks good

BABIP seems a bit low. Makes me think that those batted balls will start finding holes at some point.

by BrianL on Apr 30, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BABIP will come up

I’m not concerned about Ichiro. I just want him to start actually getting on base.

by Jeff on Apr 30, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tits vs. Byrd

That is going to be a horribly boring match-up. Fortunately I will be working throughout that game anyway.

Also glad to see the rookies produce in their first game. Hopefully this makes sure McLaren doesn’t have an excuse to start his precious veterans instead.

by Fin on Apr 30, 2008 11:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's talk more about Paul Byrd's addiction

I mean every guy is a little addict to porn. Let’s not kid ourselves.

All I know is that his kid thinks he sucks because he doesn’t play for the yankees.

by Fin on Apr 30, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

His book is called The Avenger of Blood: A Plot Where Real Facts and Evidences Face Faith?

...I have to read this. Then I’ll have to find a time machine. So I can travel back to this point in time to prevent myself from reading this. It’s going to be awesome.

Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack

by Frosty Raptor on May 1, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well for the next 2 days we won't be seeing Kenji start.

It’ll be Clement behind the dish, according to Baker.

by BrianL on Apr 30, 2008 11:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait I just realized...

Did Washburn and Johjima make up?

by Fin on Apr 30, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it.

Mac probably told Wash to shut up or go fuck himself.

At least, that’s what I’d like to think.

by BrianL on Apr 30, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that was going to happen

regardless of who was catching today. You can only blame Kenji for so much, you know.

Poor Kenji.
coughDIAFcough

by BrianL on Apr 30, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Wash

Is the Mariners version of Kobe Bryant…tanking intentionally to show the team that…wait, he tanks unintentionally. Where the heck was I going with this…

Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack

by Frosty Raptor on Apr 30, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait

Let me try one equating Wlady to Chris Paul. I can do it!

Coldly devouring reason as if it were a delectable snack

by Frosty Raptor on Apr 30, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun facts

Guess who is taller, and guess who weighs more?

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 30, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple years ago, I was talking to a friend about Paul on AIM

And he misspelled Chris ‘Christ’.

Best typo ever.

by cwel87 on May 1, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

went to school with CP

he is a lot better at basketball than i am.

and more successful in his chosen profession.

i suck.

by deacvision7 on May 1, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH...

“deac”vision. How did I not catch that before? Too bad bout Taron Downey and Justin Gray. I thought both of those guys were gonna be great.

At least you guys have that awesome recruiting class coming in

by seattlebruin on May 1, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariners have already had one of those faggots.

What was his nuts? Back in 1999 or something?

Yeah, Allen Fucking Watson. Wasn’t he the little bitch who publicly stated he didn’t want to play for the Mariners, grooved a bunch of home run balls, and got his ass sent packing 5 days later?

Or am I thinking of someone else?

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 1, 2008 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends.

Does the person you’re thinking of use homophobic slurs too?

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 1, 2008 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But apparently he's a big LL fan.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on May 1, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giving Vidro every last chance to hit, I see

Probably gave Squinty some vesting-option-related grumbling.

by Gomez on Apr 30, 2008 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.

I might prefer seeing Vidro in the lineup to Kenji. They’re both slow as fuck and have made minimal contact, but at least Vidro can take some pitches.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 30, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever.

That’s the most sensical decision he’s made so far this year.

And I know sensical is not a word, but it really needs to be.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 1, 2008 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because 'logical' just doesn't seem adequate, does it?

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on May 1, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah,

logic refers to a specific, inherently deductive system of inference and demonstration—you can’t just call any sequence of events or predictions that seem to make sense “logical.” For instance, assuming that Vidro will do well against Byrd because he has in the past is an inductive process and cannot be considered a formally logical conclusion.

Sorry for the rant, it’s just amusing when people seem to assume that logic=common sense.

by Liebkartoffel on May 1, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure that makes a lot of sense.

But I have no clue what the difference is, despite your eloquent explanation. How is common sense not based on logic? Did ThundaPC error in using the phrase “Mac’s logic”? Why can’t you call the Vidro v. Byrd decision a ‘formally logical conclusion’? What constitutes formal logic?

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on May 1, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logic, in the most specific sense,

involves deductive inferences whose truth necessitate the truth of one’s conclusion. The argument “If John Thune is a senator, he works at the capital/ It is the case that John Thune is a senator //( Therefore) John Thune works at the capital” is an example of a logical, deductive argument.

Deduction is the process of making specific propositions from general criteria. For instance the following scenario--I arrive home and I discover that a beer can, which I’d left next to open window, is now on the floor, and infer that the wind, coming through the open window, has knocked it over—is an example of a deductive process (given a general situation, I make a specific conclusion), although even here I am making substantial inductive inferences.

Induction could be considered the opposite of deduction, and is, namely, the application of specific criteria to general phenomena: it is the case that this beer can has been knocked over by the wind, therefore all beer cans are capable of being knocked over by wind. Most of what we consider common sense is actually inductive: the statement “what goes up, must come down,” implies an observed specific event--I throw a ball up in to the air, and it falls back down to the earth-that has been generalized to all events--if this ball falls back to the ground, everything must fall back to the ground. Induction is not considered a valid form of logic by most because it is based on assumption (what could happen) rather than fact (what has happened)—or to put it most simply, deduction is interpretive and induction is extrapolative.

Therefore, McLaren’s hypothetical assumption that Vidro will do well against Byrd, because he has done well against Byrd is merely an inherently inductive extrapolation, and not logical in the traditional sense.

by Liebkartoffel on May 1, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

False.

And no, I haven’t incorrectly assumed an excluded middle.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on May 1, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent. I totally get that.

Thanks, Love Potato.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on May 1, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did.

I don’t like it as much. But to be fair, I really like the word “nonsensical,” so I’ve got a little bias.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 1, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starting callups in non-pressure situations?

Reminds me of the King’s first game in the bigs. Day game in Detroit with MLB.tv airing what might well have been a web cam from the boxes behind the screen. Yuck.

by DCMariner on Apr 30, 2008 11:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Was about to mention that.

Jeff may be on to something here.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/

by JY on Apr 30, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So before the game

A reporter asked McClaren if there would be a platoon in effect for Wlad. He answered No, he is going to play. Where the hell was this sentiment last year with Jones!? If you are going to be a jackass, at least be consistent about it.

by thewyrm on May 1, 2008 1:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raul and Guillen were hitting

Wilkerson/Vidro/Kenji are not.

by Kaorikaze on May 1, 2008 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raul wasn't really during the first half

.275 .324 .426 is what he put up. It’s not Wilkerson/Vidro/Kenji bad, but it’s not good from your everyday left fielder.

by gumbostu on May 1, 2008 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s even worse when you look at what he had at this point of the season last year
.253 .291 .354
With 1 HR. He rebounded to have a nice year, but at this point of the season last year, and through a lot of the first half he was bad.

by gumbostu on May 1, 2008 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, so Raul was due for some progression to the mean, right?

As I recall, everyone started hitting better when Jones showed up. And since they were making a playoff push, they stuck with the “hot hand”. I mean, I’m not supporting it – I’m just saying I think the situation is very different now, so McSquinty isn’t really being inconsistent.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on May 1, 2008 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Baker:

Clement to get the next two starts at Catcher while Johjima pops a chill pill. In so many words.

by Jordan of Boise on May 1, 2008 7:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Points 6 & 8 used to go together quite nicely.

Is Ichiro having trouble seeing the ball or are his adjustments mid-pitch slowing because of age? I can’t feel bad for Ichiro if he isn’t contributing himself. I would rather feel bad for him if we are going to lose anyway.

by Wilder. on May 1, 2008 8:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wlad, career:

.571/.500/1.571/2.071 (avg/obp/slg/ops)

Best. Player. EVER.

WOO SMALL SAMPLE SIZES!

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on May 1, 2008 8:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow I'm a moron

forgot that sac flies weren’t counted in AB

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on May 1, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a stupid rule

your instincts were correct

by JI on May 1, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think all the sacrifice flys/bunts

are what is making Lopez look ok? His LD% is about at his career level, BABIP looks a little high, and his HR/F% is pretty mediocre still. If anything, it looks like he’s been a little lucky but is still the same hitter he ever was. As always, small sample size caveats apply for this year’s #’s.

by Jed MC on May 1, 2008 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's his approach. He's taking more pitches and getting into hitters counts.

He looks much better and like he has a plan at the plate…he no longer looks lost. The results haven’t been great yet but he’s giving himself a chance to hit better pitches now which should (hopefully) lead to better results.

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by BrettJMiller on May 1, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And even if he doesn't keep improving

something like .300/.315/.415 wouldn’t be all that bad from a decent defensive second baseman. Especially considering what he was a year ago.

by Jeff on May 1, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And considering he's a right-hander in Safeco.

I’d take it

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by BrettJMiller on May 1, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And honestly, I'm still waiting for him to go on a massive tear

honestly, it seems like he’s been a little unlucky with his fly balls this year – he’s hitting em right at people instead of to the gaps.

by seattlebruin on May 1, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone's lucky when Jack Cust is in left field

One time in Vegas, we got this kind of slow dealer on the Wheel of Fortune game (we were drunk and in LV, don’t judge), at which you’re at like a 33% disadvantage. But she was kinda stupid and kept double paying everyone, so we were at like a 40% advantage (yes, I can do EV drunk. It’s talent).

Jack Cust is like the stupid dealer. Everyone is lucky when he’s in LF

by seattlebruin on May 1, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I got what you meant

I just wanted to use my LV story and compare Jack Cust to the stupid dealer :)

by seattlebruin on May 1, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clement and Wlad

so they’ve been called up and are supposedly going to get regular playing time, this makes me wonder if the organization as a whole as taken a different viewpoint in regards to prospects and using them, or is this a managerial difference?
Last year AJ and Wlad were both tearing up the PCL early and the M’s had some regulars struggle offensively but they stuck with the vets… this year not so. Is this a difference between McLaren and Hargrove, or a shift in philosophy from the front office? What do you guys think?

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on May 1, 2008 9:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's this whole "win now" thing.

I think the M’s have backed themselves into a corner by saying anything less than the playoffs will be a disappointment, and a little panic is setting in. I mean, doesn’t it make sense that the M’s would make better decisions out of sheer desperation instead of thinking things through?

by OldFan on May 1, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on how the offseason went I'm going with managerial difference.

I know people have made McLaren into a human punching bag but honestly, he hasn’t done a single thing this season to make me truely angry. I honestly think he’s going the best he can and considering how this team is contructed I can’t really complain about that.

Sure, Mac has a preference for veterans but he also wants results. So far, he’s had Jose Lopez bat 2nd instead of Vidro to start the season. Struggling veterans have been shoved to the back-end of the lineup. Bullpen usage, although suspect, has been flexible considering no one in it is guaranteed to shut things down.

Year after year, we’ve had to put up with the manager and even the organization standing pat despite early season struggles. The result, aside from 2007 was that we always finished May in last place and pretty much out of contention. This year, we’re seeing a clear message that we have to win, not make struggling veterans conmfortable.

The way McLaren entered last year kind of forced him to go with the flow because the team was doing well and he was still using Hargrove’s coaches. He didn’t want to be the one to mess up whatever was working which is undertandable. This year he’s starting from scratch and taking charge. Works for me.

He’s not a great manager by any means but he does enough not to annoy the hell out of me.

by ThundaPC on May 1, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, he uses his bench more than Hargrove...

The bullpen management on the other hand…

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by BrettJMiller on May 1, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He uses it more, yeah, but in really confusing ways

like for example insisting on platooning Wilkerson, who didn’t need a platoon buddy, he needed a body bag (but still hit lefties as good as righties)

by seattlebruin on May 1, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God

Damn it, I was going to skip the game and do some much needed catching up on studying etc. for finals. Now that Clement’s starting, I feel forcibly drawn into watching.

by redwolf75 on May 1, 2008 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

btw

Good post over at USSM about the ethics of calling up Balentien/Clement before May 7th.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on May 1, 2008 11:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was a very good piece of writing.

I think too many people were making a big deal out of this. Everyone gets pissed because “the Mariners only care about making money, and not about winning”, but then they get outraged when they make a move like this for no other reason then to make the team better, regardless of cost.

Plus, it’s the right thing to do for the players. If they’re ready and we have a need they can fill, call ‘em up!

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 1, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remain unconvinced that it's helpful long term

But we were discussing the ethics of this yesterday – it’s not something that’s entirely escaped our attention.

by Graham on May 1, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean helpful as in "it won't help over the course of the season"?

Or do you mean long-term as in club control down the road?

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 1, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree somewhat,

But I think the club’s thinking is that they will buy out those arby years anyway, so in the end it won’t make a difference.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 1, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it will in how much they're buying out, right?

One way or another, there is an impact. And while I thought Dave’s argument was very well stated, I don’t see anything unethical about it. At least, anything more unethical than capitalism in general.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on May 1, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Communist!

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 1, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FA years cost more to buy out than arb years

this is an unalienable fact.

It makes a difference.

by Matthew on May 1, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

I still think it’s a small price to pay for the team showing a willingness to replace struggling veterans, and bring up young guys when they are ready to make the jump. It’s not like they blew through Jake Woods arby time or something.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 1, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So is blowing $100.00 on pull tabs,

but it’s never stopped me before.

I understand that it’s important to maintain club control for as long as possible, but my love for watching the kids play overrules the logical side of my brain.

Plus if you’re trying to “win now”, well… Go for it. Although I don’t agree with that plan.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 1, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not complaining

I’ve long since come to terms that Bavasi doesn’t think the same way as other GM’s.

I’m just pointing out that his ethical decision comes with a cost.

by Jeff on May 1, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of them do unfortunately.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on May 1, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll just be a dick and say it

LL commenters > USSM commenters

even though there is a ton of overlap

They need nested comments or less commenting.

by JI on May 1, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They get bitchy when I rip into people over there too

So I just do my little moddy [ ]s and slink off.

by Graham on May 1, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid people have a tough time being told they're stupid

Kudos to Dave and DMZ for not dumbing anything down to please the LCD. It’s tough to do when you are semi-mainstream.

by JI on May 1, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

the stupid are too stupid to know they’re stupid.

by Jeff on May 1, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The nested comments really do promote dialogue.

That said, I’m heading back to see who objects to what I said.

I Jeff hates pho?

by Llewdor on May 1, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is true.

Because on USSM, they cannot scare off commenters as easily.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 1, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure about that...

I’ve long since come to terms that Bavasi doesn’t think the same way as other GM’s.

I don’t necessarily think most GMs are out there to play with the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law when it comes to service time. Certainly if that’s what the Twins were interested in, there’s no way that Bill Smith would have started the season with Carlos Gomez on the major league roster, or even given Fransisco Liriano a shot in the majors in April.

I don’t think it’s a good long-term strategy for GMs to fuck around with technicalities on this—if it becomes apparent to the MLBPA that this is something that is being exploited, then it’s bound to come up in the next round of CBA negotiations, and the last thing we need is a bunch of unresolved issues that make the negotiations harder than they need to be.

by ubelmann on May 1, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should also note that it would be a huge difference

if it was something like wait a month to push back for a year. That would be egregious.

This was 7 days.

Of which Clement isn’t going to start all of. Wlad might, but then again, his improvement over Wilk, over a 7 game period is a fraction of a single run.

by Matthew on May 1, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I like the move

because, as someone threaded at USSM, it could pay business dividends with players, agents, etc. interested in a team that treats its players right.

You’ve got to think Wlad and Clement are liking the Mariners a little bit more today than they might have next week.

by Paytheline on May 1, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but so what?

What matters is how much they like the Mariners 2, 3, maybe 6 years from now. When they’re staring the payday in the face, are they going to reciprocate the kindness?

by Matthew on May 1, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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