Roster Shakeup
Brad Wilkerson and Greg Norton have both been shown the door, according to Geoff Baker.
While I was in favour of the move prior to the season, Wilkerson had a terrible start to the year and just wasn't coming out of his slump, looking terrible the whole time - it's hardly a surprise that he's been given the boot. I suspect Norton was DFA'd over Cairo because the team envisions Jose Vidro taking the switchie pinch hitter role, because i can't imagine any other reason they'd do this.
Clement and Balentien called up from AAA Tacoma. Service time complaints are for another day. Kick some ass, boys.
One thing's for sure though - this isn't last year.
PS: I'm so glad Mike Morse is on the DL.
PPS: I'll be annoyed if Clement isn't wearing #9.
Matthew's Take: Even with Bavasi does something smart, he mucks it up.
- He releases our two primary 1B backups which means Vidro is now our backup 1B.
- Cairo is still on the team
- 12 pitchers are still on the team
- You're potentially screwing yourself out of a an arb year in order to get 7 days of Clement on the roster when he's probably only going to play 3 or 4 games.
Listen, I love that they're willing to shake things up when the offense so clearly needs it (though they ignored the obvious solution, Bonds). But again, this just reeks of their total lack of planning. The Ms don't need 7 relievers, so one of them was expendable for this move; you could have just had Lowe and Morrow ride the T-Town train back and forth all year to balance their usage out.
Keeping Wilkerson around gives you at worst a 4th OF with a LH bat, which you'd want if Wlad is your new starting RF. There's zero reason to call Clement up now as opposed to 7 days from now. If you think the extra arb year doesn't matter, then you're missing the whole point. Here's what should have happened: Wlad called up, Morrow/Lowe sent down. A week hence, Clement called up, Norton DFA'd. Then you have Wilkerson as your 4th OF/ 1B backup (instead of WFB and Vidro), Vidro as your #10 hitter, Clement at DH, Wlad at RF.
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Damn
Beaten to it by like 20 people.
Anyways, its either Balentien or Reed. Kinda obvious which one.
Unless of course, Bloomquist gets put out there. God I hope not.
by Slica on Apr 30, 2008 1:15 PM PDT 0 recs
It's been broken for awhile dude
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by BrettJMiller on
Apr 30, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
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Not for those of us with access to the super secret server.
by Robert on
Apr 30, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
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I know
I meant as in
[sarcasm] Service time issues just broke USSMariner, thanks Bill Bavasi! [/sarcasm]
by seattlebruin on
Apr 30, 2008 1:17 PM PDT
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Its been working for me?
It worked after the game last night and it works right now…
by Slica on
Apr 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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We're working on it
(trying to be small and unobtrusive)
I’m one of the volunteer mods for USSM; we’re aware of the sporadic site issues and we’re trying to get them resolved. Bear with us.
by Jeff Nye on
Apr 30, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
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Just to be sure we should create more diaries
and carpetbomb Jeff’s inbox to see if he knows.
by JI on
Apr 30, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
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Let's not jump to conclusions
The bears may provide killer IT support
by ningwers on
Apr 30, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
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Shannon Drayer says Wilkerson, Norton DFA'd, Clement, Wlad up.
I hope we didn’t actually DFA Norton…can’t we stash him in the minors?
Of course, this wouldn’t even be an issue if they just got rid of Cairo
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 30, 2008 1:16 PM PDT 0 recs
WHAT PURPOSE DOES CAIRO SERVE ON THIS TEAM
FASDLKJLKADF
Sorry, RMTE (roster move thread emotion) got the best of me there
by seattlebruin on
Apr 30, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
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Diversifying our grittiness
As you know diverse ecosystems are healthy ecosystems.
Wait, what’s that now? This is a baseball team? Fuck.
by ningwers on
Apr 30, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
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Wilkerson has his best offensive game as a Mariner and then get's the boot.
.232/.348/.304
Oh well, it was a decent idea at the time.
Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.
by Goose on Apr 30, 2008 1:17 PM PDT 0 recs
That .348 OBP isn't bad...
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by BrettJMiller on
Apr 30, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
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It's okay
Pepe’s going to come in for Jose’s place on the roster
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by MarkE on
Apr 30, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
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I'm surprised we cut Wilk so quickly
but I wanted to Vidro to be the one gone. I’m paranoid that Mac will run Vidro out there time and again while Clement sits on the bench.
by JI on Apr 30, 2008 1:17 PM PDT 0 recs
A little cruel...
To cut him one game into the road trip, isn’t it? If yesterday’s game obviously had no bearing on his decision, why not let him go in Seattle where his stuff likely is? Seems unnecessarily inconvenient. The Front Office is spastic.
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by Frosty Raptor on
Apr 30, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
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I don't care about how cruel it is
Wilk > Norton > Vidro
by JI on
Apr 30, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
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The link now says
both Wlad and Clement up, no ambiguity there.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Apr 30, 2008 1:17 PM PDT 0 recs
I too had hoped Wilkerson would be okay, but he was horrible.
Like Jeff mentioned recently, his defense was worse than expected too. I am hoping Wlad gets some excitement going for us in RF. I can’t wait to greet him next Monday.
As for Cairo. Why is he still on this team?
by Sec 108 on Apr 30, 2008 1:18 PM PDT 0 recs
Great... I had no plans of watching the game tonight becaue I have things to do
now it’s all gonna be pushed back. Freaking Bavasi, even when he does good, he does bad :(
by seattlebruin on Apr 30, 2008 1:19 PM PDT 0 recs
Is Wlad going to wear 25 like he has been in Tacoma?
by seattlebruin on Apr 30, 2008 1:20 PM PDT 0 recs
He wore 25 last year in Tacoma
but the 40-man has him listed as #50
by seattlebruin on
Apr 30, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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Why does David Bell make me think of Jeff Cirillo
Make it stop! Make it stop!
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by Frosty Raptor on
Apr 30, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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All I can say is I hope they get playing time.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on Apr 30, 2008 1:23 PM PDT 0 recs
There's no way not to give Wlad time with Wilk gone
And if they’re going to give him time they’re sort of obliged to do the same for Clement. His bat should play brilliantly in Safeco.
by Graham on
Apr 30, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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They could play Willie in right rather than Wlad
Doubt it, but I can’t be surprised by anything this organization does.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
Apr 30, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
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We're luring him over to the dark side.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
Apr 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
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I thought the Angels were the dark side.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
Apr 30, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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Good point.
But being an M’s fan is no picnic…
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
Apr 30, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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Stupidity in baseball pains me
No matter what front office is perpetrating it.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
Apr 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
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You're semi-following the wrong team.
You might want to try the Indians or Rays.
by brayden04 on
Apr 30, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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Love the Rays.
Can’t wait to see them when they come into town.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
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Brayden
Jeff posted pictures that can be used for a CL ad. Interested in working this?
by seattlebruin on
Apr 30, 2008 1:54 PM PDT
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I'd have said that would be clearly insane
But I said the exact same thing about a Kenji Johjima extension about a week before it happened so I’m just going to shut up.
by Graham on
Apr 30, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
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I'm just going to assume Vidro is the starter
until they release him.
by JI on
Apr 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
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As hard as it is to believe with this team
I think the Norton experiment showed Vidro is actually on a leash right now
by ningwers on
Apr 30, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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true
Richie was on a leash last year and he got his job back after two good games
until it see otherwise, I’m assuming that Clement is Roberto Petangine.
by JI on
Apr 30, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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I also think the fact that they're bringing up now instead of waiting a week
indicates that the team is in panic mode. He’ll play.
by ningwers on
Apr 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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A lifetime of experence tells me otherwise
but that same life experience never thought they’d see the day when a guy making $3m would be cut after ~24 games
by JI on
Apr 30, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
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It seems disturbingly bold and intelligent, doesn't it?
by ningwers on
Apr 30, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
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on one hand yes
on the other hand, he’s way more useful then hotdog gobbler
by JI on
Apr 30, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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There is always a downside
Its the Mariner way.
I personally look at it like this. If I drink the alcohol. There is less alcohol to drink later.
by Slica on
Apr 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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well
the manager is on record as saying if the kids come up they will play, in place of those who are not performing.
Go Fo Broke!
by eknpdx on
Apr 30, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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I don't trust Squinty.
But the playing time might be dictated by the front office on this one.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
Apr 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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Everything I've heard backs up what eknpdx says
It sounds like Mac is one of the main forces pushing for the kids to come up and play
by ningwers on
Apr 30, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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I just don't understand
The DFAing of Norton, a switch-hitting pinch-hitter. A good guy to stash on the bench. Both Vidro and Norton would be good pinch-hitters off the bench.
Should have been Cairo who got the heave-ho (in addition to Wilkerson). Do they really think that if they dump Cairo that Lopez is gonna fall apart?!
by fosio on Apr 30, 2008 1:25 PM PDT 0 recs
I agree, but I don't think it's a huge deal
The run differential between a meh bench bat and a terrible bat with speed and defensive ability is fairly minimal, and Vidro (if he does end up benched) would be an upgrade over Norton. I think.
by Graham on
Apr 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
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I hope this keeps Vidro's PA down so his option doesn't kick in.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
Apr 30, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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What if there's something to this Cairo chap
I think I read it in one of Geoff’s blog, but somebody argued that Cairo might be pushing Yuni and Lopez to be better “behind the scenes.” There has to be some value in that, doesn’t there? Maybe not enough to waste a roster spot, but still…
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by Frosty Raptor on
Apr 30, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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If you want a coach, you hire a coach
You don’t waste a roster spot on him
by Graham on
Apr 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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Very true
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by Frosty Raptor on
Apr 30, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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Well, I think it's stupid to call both of them up before the 7th.
That said, I hope Wlad and Clement kick ass.
by BrianL on Apr 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT 0 recs
didn't somebody say
that they can send them down for 10 days at any time, and still get the extra year? Would seem like an easy thing to do.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on
Apr 30, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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I believe someone countered that that if they go back down it has to be for 20 days
by ningwers on
Apr 30, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
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Yeah, you can't just send them down for a day here and a day there.
There’s a minimum amount of time they have to stay in the minors after being sent down.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
Apr 30, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
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And that minimum is 10 days
Barring subsequent injury to another player, whereas they could call said player up again.
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum
by PositivePaul on
Apr 30, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
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What about DL time?
What happens if Clement mysteriously winds up on the 15-day DL during interleague play?
by BrianL on
Apr 30, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
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He'd still be on the roster
from my understanding they’d have to actually send him back down to stop the clock.
And someone (Corco, I think) pointed out that if they do that, they’re just asking for a MLBPA grievance to be filed
by seattlebruin on
Apr 30, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
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Correct on both counts I believe.
I like midgets more than I should.
by Thingray on
Apr 30, 2008 2:03 PM PDT
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they're only hope
is to do it at some point this year because it will be impossible once he’s established.
by Matthew on
Apr 30, 2008 2:05 PM PDT
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Well
here’s to hoping that they perform well and can be inked to a long-term deal before FA kicks in.
by BrianL on
Apr 30, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
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I don't think
it’s a typing problem…
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
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