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Brian Sabean Appreciation Thread

So as you've all surely heard by now, Barry Zito - the durable front-of-the-rotation starter with ~5.8 years and $114m left on his contract - has been bumped to middle relief. By the Giants. The move, while surprising, is long overdue, as Zito's been nothing short of an absolute disaster of Chernobylian(?) proportions. Over 39 starts with San Francisco, he's put up a 91 ERA+, a 5.16 xFIP, and a 10% walk rate. And while 2007 was bad, 2008 has been a total catastrophe, as for six starts Zito was far and away the worst pitcher in the Major Leagues.

Don't believe me? Observe:

ERA: 7.53
RA: 9.42
xFIP: 6.01
tRA: 6.37
K%: 7.8%
BB%: 10.6%
StS%: 8%
Cntc%: 88%
GB/FB: 0.84
FBv: 83.7mph

The entire package is an unthinkable nightmare, but perhaps the greatest horror is that 8% swinging strike rate. Thanks to his little league fastball, Zito's missing as many bats as Carlos Silva, yet he's walking more guys than Daniel Cabrera and giving up more flyballs than Jarrod Washburn.

Barry Zito has zero strengths. Zero. The only differences between Zito and Steve Trachsel are the famous curveball that hasn't been a weapon in years and the fact that, while Trachsel will walk and likely retire in the fall, Zito's still guaranteed another nine figures. Barry Zito's contract is the worst contract ever signed in baseball history, and as much as you might want to tell me I'm wrong, you won't be able to prove it, because I'm right. No contract has ever gone so sour so fast. And there isn't any indication that things are about to get better.

I knew from the get-go that Zito was a bad idea, but never at any point did I think he'd fall apart this quickly. That's come as a surprise. But the fact of the matter is that smart front offices knew what they were doing and stayed the hell away. They saw the red flags, understood the market, and looked elsewhere without even placing a call to Zito's agent.

Bill Bavasi offered him six years and ninety-nine million dollars.

There but for the grace of Sabean go I, and you, and the Mariners, and all of our collective hopes and dreams. This team tried its damndest to kill itself in the face, but thanks to the existence of another, more stubborn holdout from the daunting realm of intelligent thinking, we were spared. We were spared. Mr. Sabean, I am forever indebted to your misguided courage. Regardless of your intentions at the time, you fell on a nuclear grenade, and for this gesture I cannot thank you enough. May this thread be construed as a token of my appreciation.

And damn you Bill for ever thinking this was a good idea for the Mariners. Damn everyone who thought this was a good idea for the Mariners. All of you are stupid. There, I said it. Maybe you've gotten smarter over the past year and a half, but if you wanted the Mariners to sign Barry Zito as a free agent, you were stupid. Stop being stupid. Brian Sabean can only prevent so many bad decisions.

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Sadly

Zito was and is my favorite non-Mariner pitcher in baseball.

It happens. He is terrible.

by Slica on Apr 28, 2008 7:43 PM PDT   0 recs

I must agree.

Even the unmitigated disaster that was Mo Vaughn pales in comparison to Zito’s monstrously absurd contract.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 7:45 PM PDT   0 recs

agreed

at least Mo Vaughn was really really good when he signed the contract. Zito was better than he was now, but not worth anything close to what he got

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 28, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's almost hard to fathom how bad that contract is.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

by Goose on Apr 28, 2008 7:47 PM PDT   0 recs

You're a Mariner fan.

It’s not that hard.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 28, 2008 7:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

as bad the M's are

I can’t think of a contract anywhere near this bad that they’ve given out.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 28, 2008 7:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

as bad "as" the M's are

I suck.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 28, 2008 7:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it is.

We’re talking about a guy who over the course of his contract will eat more money than the M’s have paid Jose Vidro, Richie Sexson, Kenji Johjima, and Jeff Weaver COMBINED.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One year contracts? Meh.

Jarrod Washburn, Richie Sexson, Miguel Batista, Carlos Silva?

Besides, it is not as though he does not have several other bad, long contracts. They’re just not as bad…. yet.

Also, for fun:

This photograph amuses me, though I’m not positive I know why.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 28, 2008 8:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, wait, this is why.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 28, 2008 8:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Think how long ago his career would have been over

If it weren’t for

1) Bonds’ [unlikely late career surge] which transformed him into the best hitter ever.
2) Absurdly good years by Ellis Burks, Rich Aurilia, JT Snow, Marquis Grissom etc.

by JI on Apr 28, 2008 7:51 PM PDT   0 recs

That contract is worse than

the 8/140 that Juan Gonzalez turned down (which the Tigers would still be paying)

I can’t wait till he gives Adam Dunn a 7/126 deal.

by JI on Apr 28, 2008 8:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That Gonzalez contract might've been worse

but since Juan didn’t sign it…

by Jeff on Apr 28, 2008 8:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

at least the Tigers would have gotten

+ / – 2 good seasons out of him; compared to Zito’s 0.

by JI on Apr 28, 2008 8:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, one and a half

plus it had that extra eighth year. But yeah, Zito probably still wins out.

by Jeff on Apr 28, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess if you adjust for inflation

yeah

(I would find it interesting if someone adjusted these horrible contracts over the last 10-15 years for inflation)

by JI on Apr 28, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Adjusted for "the going rate"

for players’ top salaries in MLB, wasn’t Albert Belle’s contract (1998?? 1999?) right up there?

I mean, Zito played last year. Eleven wins. I don’t believe Belle even performed one year for Baltimore.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Apr 29, 2008 11:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've actually found that pitching wins and teams wins are very strongly correlated

in fact, the R value is very near 1. Look at last years M’s – pitchers combined for 88 wins, and the team won 88 games! Who would have thought that after all the time you guys spend talking about how pitcher wins are a useless statistic!

Sabermetrics at their very best :)...

by seattlebruin on Apr 29, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True

I should go pen an article where I do no research what-so-ever (especially not looking up Albert Belle in Baseball-Reference [which takes about 0.4 seconds] and see that he actually played two seasons in Baltimore) about pitching wins being the ultimate gritty indicator.

by Matthew on Apr 29, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, I've always thought the five-inning requirement was funny

just because it doesn’t really make any sense and really encourages managers to leave a struggling pitcher on the mound with a one-run lead in the fifth just so in case they get out of the jam, they qualify for the win

by seattlebruin on Apr 29, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well if he mean "performed"

as in “played well” ... well, it’s still wrong actually.

by JI on Apr 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course, the other side of that argument is,

if you take out all the games the M’s lost, they went undefeated. So pitching wins is obviously infallible as an indicator.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 29, 2008 12:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay, I see Belle played for Baltimore

and they took out insurance, so it did not cost them at all. Only the fact that he had to remain on the 40-man roster (to collect insurance) was a pain….

...a very minor pain!

Altruistically speaking, even if Zito thought, “Heck, I cannot pitch…I’ve lost it!” and decided, “I won’t rob the Giants, I’ll simply retire and they’ll be off the hook..” the MLBPA would NEVER allow him to do it! It would ruin all the future gimongous multi-year idiocy.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Apr 29, 2008 12:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You mean, no one is like Tony Gwynn

He told his agent to shove it, and the MLBPA went after him for not selling out to the highest bidder.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Apr 29, 2008 2:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No

I mean no one would or should retire and forfeit their guaranteed payday.

I’m tired of people acting like these greedy players are putting their teams out of business, it’s total bullshit. These owners are billionaires, most of them have held their cities for ransom, lied, and cheated their way to publicly funded stadiums. I do not have one iota of sympathy for the owners; they’re making $texas off the game, those who play deserve their share of the profits because without them there is no game. I don’t understand why I’m supposed to be outraged that Albert Belle got paid, but then happened to get hurt; it’s a ridiculous double standard.

So if someone is truly feeling guilty for taking a paycheck they think they do not deserve, invest it in something righteous, and use that money to make the world a better place. Don’t give back the owners.

by JI on Apr 29, 2008 2:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Most definitely agreed

People always talk about how greedy players cashing in big time on free agent payday are the bad guys, whether they live up to the contract or not, yet many of them are the same people who complain how their employers don’t pay them enough. Well guess what? In the same way their company can’t run the show without them, team owners can’t run baseball without the players. The players are the blue collar workers who make The Man his money, and until they as a whole get a big raise, the players are getting cheapskated.

I guess people just lump millionaires and billionaires together and don’t think about the big picture.

Hmm... Needs more Bonds.

by Double06 on Apr 29, 2008 4:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who said you're supposed to be "outraged" about Belle??

Where’s your instructions for that?
Which sentence?

I think you read something, maybe everything, then synthesize some “realm” of heros and villians populated with your own grand mythologies.

You ought to actually absorb what’s been written.

Not ONCE.

Not ONCE did I say the owners are getting ripped or even came close to saying players are putting them out of business. Or even defend, advocate, or even condemn, how the owners do business.

Your fabrication about my “take” on owners. 100%

By the way, another “no one” is Keith Foulke. He retired from the Cleveland Indians, rather than go on the DL for ONE DAY of the regular season, which is all he needed to get his millions. He didn’t.

So, instead of getting “tiredd” at hypothetical people and “outraged”, why don’t you read what is written?
Why not? Give us the “reason” for what YOU do, instead of all the unjustified opinions about what everyone else purportedly does?

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Apr 29, 2008 4:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why don't you calm down and do the same?

I was explaining my reasons why, and why I think those sentiments are misplaced. I can see why you would think that I was representing your view, and I should have been clearer, but at no point did I “fabricate” your opinions.

by JI on Apr 29, 2008 4:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In other news

Jon Garland is still awful. 4 runs in 2.1 innings. However, he has managed to strikeout a season high 2 batters.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 28, 2008 7:59 PM PDT   0 recs

3.

3 batters. But yes, he still sucks, and Graham was still right.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

heh, don't feel too bad

making fun of Garland is the only thing a desperate M’s fan (me!) has over the Angels.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 28, 2008 8:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I have some possible good news.

Our offense seems to be sucking just as much against A’s pitching as yours did.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 8:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm beginning to hate John Garland with a fiery passion.

Seriously, who the ** gives up a HR to Jack Hannahan?

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 8:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So we're losing this game.

It’s okay. Just DFA Garland and call up Adenhart.

...

It’s not going to happen, is it?

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 9:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My team has given up 14 runs and counting

to the Oakland A’s.

Oh and addendum:
Chris Bootcheck is forbidden from pitching again. Ever.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 9:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's the world's smallest guitar

playing the worst saddest tune, just for you.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 28, 2008 9:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah, I'm over it. We'll get 'em tomorrow.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 9:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I searched for a pic of cartman playing his violin

Couldn’t find it, so enjoy this instead.

by Fin on Apr 28, 2008 9:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've never been more happy to see a free-agent leave

"Evidently, a large number of people said, 'We really need more vermin at the ballpark, Artie.'" - Nick (AN), 10/7/07

by doctorK on Apr 28, 2008 8:04 PM PDT   0 recs

That last paragraph...

...was a bit much. I appreciate the sentiment, but you don’t have to be stupid to miss something that many professionals also missed. Regardless of whether or not they should be professionals.

Visiting Mariners' fan

by KingCorran on Apr 28, 2008 8:07 PM PDT   0 recs

All the evidence pointed to Zito being a lousy investment

if a given person chose to ignore that at the time, I can’t think of a better way to characterize his intelligence.

by Jeff on Apr 28, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, it wasn't. If anything, that paragraph wasn't strong enough.

But this comes from someone who made denigrating Barry Zito his sole mission of the 2006 offseason. I say this now to everyone who had the nerve to think I wasn’t right:

I was totally right. You were all totally wrong.

by Matthew on Apr 28, 2008 8:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

soriano

Another contract that isnt looking too hot at the moment is Soriano for the Cubs. Soriano’s slow start and the rest of the cubs doing well with out him during his injury are leading some cubs fans to be pretty short sighted and think the team is better off with out him… might not be a zito disaster but who knows?

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

by GarlicFryCubFan on Apr 28, 2008 8:11 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah it looked pretty bad at the time

Soriano is basically a poor man’s Vlad Guerrero. I’d be surprised if he made it to the end og it.

by JI on Apr 28, 2008 8:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So, you think that a 37 OPS+

is representative of Soriano’s true talent level?

Also, Soriano is a very good defensive outfielder.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Apr 29, 2008 8:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh.

Holy Wowzers, Dept.

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 28, 2008 8:18 PM PDT   0 recs

His actual ERA in Safeco will run in the threes.

I can’t believe people read that.

Three days ago, Sabrmatt made a post about how the Mariners lost all their games because their were unlucky. They should have won all of them, ergo the team is really, really good.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 28, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, according to the almighty Pythag

you guys are 2 games worse than you should be. So that’s something.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Apr 28, 2008 8:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, the M's have been pretty unlucky with 1 runs games

I think they’re like 1-7

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 28, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pythag doesn't matter until the end of the year.

I’ve watched these games. We legitimately deserved to lose.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 28, 2008 8:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We BOTH deserved to lose

the game last Friday night.

formerly known as mdl

by iglew on Apr 29, 2008 12:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay, well, yeah.

We still suck. Don’t comfort me in my misery.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 29, 2008 1:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On the one hand, our run differential is good

on the other, we’ve scored too many runs for our actual batting performance. BP’s adjusted third-order standings put is smack dab at 12-14.

by Jeff on Apr 28, 2008 8:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But our

BA w/ men in scoring position and BABIP are low and due for regression. We can go all day and not reach a conclusion besides our 1B/DH/RF trifecta really suck and need to be switched out with medicre replacements as soon as possible.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 28, 2008 9:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs