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If there exists a collection of Hells, rather than the one-size-fits-all Catholic Hell that to this day remains the only reason why more people don't shoplift or take flash photographs of The Last Supper, this is the kind of game that they'll have looping in perpetuity in level 2 or 3. It wasn't a complete and utter catastrophe, the likes of which would be reserved for souls condemned to level 10 like Pol Pot and JC Chasez, but it was still a major annoyance and an effective reminder of how easy it is to stray from the path to salvation, be that an eternity in Heaven or a win against the Orioles. The true impact of the game isn't so much the unpleasant shock as it is the continued erosion of our spirits, and anyone forced to watch it again and again in a low level of Hell would invariably become a lifeless shell of a man. Much like all of us right now.

(For the curious, I imagine when I finally knock off I'll be seeing an awful lot of Arthur Rhodes in Yankee Stadium.)

4_24_08_medium
Biggest Contribution: Yuniesky Betancourt, +26.1%
Biggest Suckfest: Mark Lowe, -37.4%
Most Important AB: Ichiro homers, +31.0%
Most Important Pitch: Jones doubles, -29.4%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -62.0%
Total Contribution by Hitters: +12.0%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
(What is this chart?)

Star-divide

You know what I found out the other day? Bullet point recaps are so much easier to write than the usual continuous variety. So assuming no one objects (and even if you do I don't care), I'm going to go ahead and do it again.

  1. Jarrod Washburn is a little kid taunting a fenced-in pit bull, a little kid who doesn't realize the gate in the fence is unlocked and opens outward. He continues to tiptoe around the edge of the cliff, and easily could've been knocked around tonight were it not for the heroics of Kevin Millar, who stranded six baserunners and put up a WPA of -31.3%. For a guy who doesn't miss bats, Washburn's command is rather alarmingly not a strength, and his fastball is currently down 1-2mph from where it was a year ago. Just as is the case with Silva, Washburn's in a race against time, and time is pulling ahead. Don't let Safeco fool you; there should be no doubt about who's the team's worst starter. While I'm a fan of Washburn's personality and sense of humor, I think Roger Clemens proves that how likeable you are doesn't mean dick on the field, and on the field is where Washburn runs into trouble. When his deal is finally up, I only hope the front office learns a oh who am I kidding

  2. Trachsel: Hey Adam, what's that you got there?
    Loewen: It's a titanium necklace. In team colors!
    Trachsel: I've never seen one of those before.
    Loewen: I'm pretty excited, I just bought it. They say it gives you more energy.
    Trachsel: Oh yeah? How's that work?
    Loewen: It something something alignment of ions
    Loewen: It's science!
    Loewen: People keep telling me they feel more fit when they have their necklaces on. All flexible and shit. And their joints don't hurt.
    Trachsel: Wow, that seems like something that's right up my alley. I'd love to be able to feel better and less sore after throw days.
    Loewen: Yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to the most.
    Trachsel: That's awesome. Where'd you buy it?
    Loewen: Oh there's a store downtown. They're only like $20 or $30.
    Trachsel: Thanks! I think I'll check that out tomorrow morning.
    Trachsel: I can't believe they've had a cure for soreness this whole time without telling anybody!
    Loewen: I know! haha
    Trachsel: haha
    Trachsel: So hey do you know anything more about how it works?
    Loewen: The titanium emits an energy, see. And the energy controls the bioelectric current.
    Trachsel: The who?
    Loewen: The bioelectric current. I'm just reciting this from memory. I guess that makes the muscles do stuff better.
    Trachsel: We should talk to coach about these. Seems like everybody should have a titanium necklace, don't you think?
    Bannister: OH MY GOD YOU GUYS ARE SO FUCKING STUPID

  3. Speaking of Adam Loewen, he's from British Columbia, so he had a bunch of friends and family in the stadium to watch him pitch tonight. And based on the sights and sounds of the game they may have been the only ones who showed up. For the first two innings before the wheels came off, they were quite literally the only people outside of the broadcast booth you could hear on FSN. At least, I assume that's who those people were, because who the hell else is cheering for the Orioles in Seattle? We might as well have been watching the game with the Loewen clan in the living room. The only thing missing was a bowl of poutine.

  4. Vidromatic_medium 
  5. Trailing 1-0 after two innings, the Orioles had Adam Jones on third base with no one out and Brandon Fahey at the plate. Fahey hit what would've been a line drive single for anyone else in the league, but because Fahey is Fahey, a little doily of a man, Raul Ibanez was playing him at like 200 feet, and made an easy catch in close enough to keep Jones from tagging. I love Brandon Fahey. He's completely worthless, and he can't even pinch-run since varying wind patterns knock him off course with no prior warning, but if he ever got picked by a bird of prey and dropped in my yard, I'd invite him in for Hi-C and a game of checkers.

  6. Staying in the third inning, the bottom half was all kinds of weird. For one thing, Jose Lopez snapped a streak of 23 plate appearances by swinging at the first pitch of an at bat against Loewen with the bases loaded and nobody out. The pitch was a fastball way in on the hands and Lopez completely missed. I think it's pretty clear that he's still not to be considered a disciplined hitter. Later, the Mariners sustained a rally when Jose Vidro blasted a two-run double over the head of Jones in center field, prompting the scoreboard image above. If this is as hard as Vidro can hit the ball, he picked a good time. And finally, at one point Felix was sharing a laugh with Carlos Silva in the dugout and I could've sworn I saw Felix instantly gain weight like something out of The Green Mile. I can think of better role models.

  7. Slowly but surely the Orioles clawed their way back into the game. After getting two against Washburn, they manufactured their third run with a pair of infield singles - the first of which should've been an out, as Lopez made a spectacular stop and throw behind second - and then dropped the subtlety and stormed out to a lead in the seventh. Arthur Rhodes put the first three batters in the inning on base, departing with some choice words for home plate umpire Casey Moser, who refused to give him the low-away strike. John McLaren then came out to argue in support of his pitcher and quickly got tossed, but not before he pulled off that back-and-forth head bob thing that you only ever see from old men in baseball pants. I swear to God that move doesn't work anywhere else.

    And that's when things got really ugly. In came Mark Lowe, and once again he couldn't locate his pitches. He fell behind Millar 3-1 and gave up a sac fly, then he centered a belt-high fastball to Aubrey Huff that got ripped for a tying single, and then two batters later he walked Ramon Hernandez to load the bases for one Adam Jones, who I hear catches a lot of fly balls.

    This was easily the most frustrating at bat of the game. Lowe had Jones beat. He got him to swing through two changeups to get ahead, missed with a fastball, then had AJ way out in front of another two changeups that he barely fouled off. But rather than going back to the well, Lowe piped a fastball over the middle that Jones nearly sent into the bullpen. I know as a pitcher you don't want to fall into a pattern, but through five pitches Jones had shown absolutely zero ability to recognize and punish the changeup. To put a fastball at the belt, in that situation, in a 1-2 count, is inexcusable. Lowe has to be smarter, although when Bedard's activated from the DL I wouldn't be surprised if he were told to go learn his lessons in Tacoma instead of hurting the team in Seattle. The stuff is there, but the rest is not. And until it comes, Lowe won't be productive.
  8. Again and again and again opposing managers just don't seem to get that Ichiro beats the crap out of left-handed pitching. The weird thing about Ichiro's bomb off Jamie Walker was that it wasn't one of Ichiro's standard line drive home runs. This one flew. I don't know that I've ever seen Ichiro get that much air under a ball and still send it a long way. This was the point at which the game finally got a little exciting.

  9. The game then ceased to be exciting in the top of the eighth when Brian Roberts led off with a home run off Sean Green. I was going to give the Mariners a break for letting Green face a switch-hitter since Roberts doesn't pack much of a punch, but when Green was left out there to pitch to Markakis later on, that's when I realized that I was paying closer attention to the game than the coaching staff apparently was. Watching Willie Ballgame hack away against Chad Bradford in the bottom half with Greg Norton on the bench only sealed the deal. Non-decisions don't get much more pathetic.

The game ended, we lost, and now we're 11-12 with a 1-6 record against the Baltimore Orioles. If you'd have bet in March that the Mariners would find themselves in their current situation, you'd be up an awful lot of money. And you'd also be dead, having been burned at the stake for practicing witchcraft. But your corpse would probably have a big shit-eating grin.

Oakland tomorrow night, in case you need a little help falling asleep at the end of a long work week.

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I wrote to my friend last night that I had never seen an Ichiro no-doubter before.

Now I have.

But, holy fuck, that game sucked. When I turned the game on and saw it was 5-0 and that we hadn’t scored in a while I knew we were gonna lose.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Apr 25, 2008 8:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't fucking believe that for some reason

our management thinks that Brad Wilkerson needs to be benched against left-handed pitching (he needs to be benched but his platoon splits are not the reason) and that Sean Green is effective against LHP.

Brad Wilkerson
vs RHP – OPS .795
vs LHP – OPS .818

Sean Green
vs RHB – OPS .727
vs LHB – OPS .829 incl. OB% .416

Which of these two needs to have a platoon buddy???

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 8:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not a bad platoon split

Arthur Rhodes career platoon splits are about the same,

Green’s big OPS spits are largely the result of a .202 ISO-D by lefties. If that’s this issue, I’ll take it. Sure, it’d be nice if he could get more Ks versus lefties, but it’s probably not going to happen. If he can keep their ave. low and keep the ball in the park (yeah, I know), I’ll take a high OBP vs. left.
This is the same sort of thinking that kept Sherrill locked in his LOOGY role for so long. Yes, there’s a noticeable split there. Is it better to accept it, or do you need to switch pitchers every time?

by marc w on Apr 25, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Green has nearly twice as many walks as strikeouts against lefties

The damage is partially mitigated by his ability to keep the ball in the yard, but if you ask him to face multiple lefties in an inning, or even just one who’s awesome, then I think you’re playing with fire. When you watch him pitch, he clearly just doesn’t have the ability to consistently get them out.

by Jeff on Apr 25, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what were his minor league splits

vs LHB? Its such a small sample size that he’s acquired in the majors this year to really understand if he can’t get them out or if he’s just struggled against them…. kinda like Sherrill did his first couple years against RHB

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 25, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

work is my problem

so thanks for the link anways… don’t have the time to go researching.

Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!

by MfaninAlaska on Apr 25, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Define 'bad'

In the M’s system, lefties hit one HR in something like 50IP versus lefties, and lefties never hit better than .280 or so despite some high BABIPs.
He walked a whole mess of them, true, but again, he doesn’t have great command against anyone. If my RH GB specialist’s big problem is walking lefties, I’ll take it.

by marc w on Apr 25, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even mind that he faced Roberts

it’s sheerly the fact that no one ever thought it might be a good idea to start getting a new pitcher (preferably a left handed one, but if it’s Morrow, then whatever) with Markakis and Huff coming up. It’s the thought process that leads to GTE like “WHY THE HELL IS SEAN GREEN PITCHING TO NICK MARKAKIS??”

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you've got a guy who gets that many grounders

I don’t really care if he ‘struggles’ against lefties. Yes, it’s annoying, and in many situations, he wouldn’t be the right guy to bring in. But if he can stay near 1% for HR/PA and get grounders, he’s not the worst guy to leave out there for an inning. If he was facing lefty, lefty, lefty? bad move.
Bases loaded, lefty up? bad move.

For the M’s, he’s a decent one-inning option, like Corcoran. Corcoran doesn’t walk as many, but doesn’t miss bats v. righties. Both get grounders.
But Green’s given up 37 hits in 180 PAs against lefties. Yes, the walks suck, but I’d rather he walk them and remain SOMEWHAT useful than give up XBHs/HRs. I’d also love it if his command was better against righties, but hey.

All in all, I think it’s a bit better to let him face the odd lefty than to run through relievers and lock people into limited roles.

by marc w on Apr 25, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, it wasn't as extreme as I imagined it would be, and yeah, I used really basic stats

and I’m not opposed to letting Sean Green face Brian Roberts, since even if you bring in a lefty, Roberts just goes and hits RH, where he hits for a little better average (? right?) but it’s the thought process that leads to Ryan Rowland-Smith beginning to warm up when Nick Markakis comes up.

Management has to be more aware that there’s a tough lefty coming up, and since you know you’re not going to throw Green the rest of the game, be ready for that scenario and have someone ready to go to face Markakis if need be or have say a Brandon Morrow ready to try and quell the threat. There’s no excuse for using Green for multiple innings to face many left handed batters when you have lots of perfectly capable (I think) relievers waiting to be used.

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mariners did a remarkable job.

A remarkable job of giving me just enough hope that it was crushing again. Watching the lead slowly whittled away then watching Rhodes Lowe & Green give the O’s the lead was painful enough. But to have Ichiro tie it? To have runners on and not PH for Willie? To have Yuni lead off the ninth with what has become commonplace for him – a clutch hit, and then have Ichiro hit into a DP? How the hell is it even possible to double up on Yuni and Ichiro?

That game was ridiculous. How can McSquinty & Co. make that many obvious mistakes in one game? Mind-boggling. I don’t know how much more I can watch without some kind of roster move.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Apr 25, 2008 8:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If I were a total dick

this would be my sig.

by JI on Apr 25, 2008 9:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't ever quit us, Jeff!

Bullet/Number points are actually MUCH easier to read…

...because who the hell else is cheering for the Orioles in Seattle?

Brian Roberts’ family. They were up from Portland, and there were a whole lot of them. Yeah, yeah, F Brian Roberts and all that, but honestly, I quite enjoyed talking with them. And one of their kids was crazily cheering for Putz on Tuesday, so that’s good enough penance for me…

I love Brandon Fahey. He’s completely worthless, and he can’t even pinch-run since varying wind patterns knock him off course with no prior warning, but if he ever got picked by a bird of prey and dropped in my yard, I’d invite him in for Hi-C and a game of checkers.

I really, really wish someone would give you a well-paying day job writing stuff like this. Genius!

I’m sure Lowe misses EOF, and will re-join him with Tacoma on Saturday. Man, I’m really hoping to get to the next Cheney homestand. With Dickey back in town, and the two characters that are Lowe and O’Flaherty—there’s some good photo opps just waiting to happen…

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 25, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited to move to Temecula soon

because I just realized that Lake Elsinore is right up the road and I can go to High Desert games and watch Carlos Triunfel and prove to the rest of my family just how little of the photography gene I ended up with =(

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I've ever heard anybody say

they were excited to move to Temecula.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 25, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's also what the people in Temecula told me

but I’m moving in with a friend and my room is ~320 sq ft. for 560 a month, plus my company pays people who vanpool to work like $25/month

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, and I won't have crappy internet anymore

as in, if I’m watching mlb.tv on the lowest setting and my landlord decides to download a picture of a cat or some shit, my internet won’t freak out and fucking kill my mlb.tv feed. This happens literally twice a game right now.

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS - anyone have an idea when he might get promoted?

High Desert @ Lake Elsinore June 13-15, but also May 2-4. The only thing is that it’s a 100 mile round trip if I go in May and a 30 mile round trip if I wait til June.

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Promoted?

He’s what, 18, and is hitting under .150, with a SLG. under .200.
He’s one prospect I think they’ll take their time with, and that’s as it should be.

by marc w on Apr 25, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK good

I don’t want to miss him

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad I missed this one

as part of being married. I share T.V. tiem with my wife, and I think Grey’s Anatomy was a better use of my time.

by InSpokane on Apr 25, 2008 9:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I realize that for the greater good you would subject yourself to that type of programming

I know I have done so myself

But that show has to be one of the worst things I have ever seen in my entire life. i still haven’t fully recovered from it.

by JI on Apr 25, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a lot worse than it used to be

the first season was really good, but it’s been on a downward spiral ever since. My wife watches it now, and I check in every 3-4 eps to see if it’s gotten any better, and nope. Beats the hell out of watching reality shows, that’s for sure.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 25, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reality shows are amazing

whoever thought up intentional unintentional comedy was a genius

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If by "amazing"

you mean “a ridiculous bunch of people acting like douchebags because they desperately want to be famous” then you’re pretty much right on.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 25, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not unintentional comedy

if it’s intentionally done.

by Matthew on Apr 25, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it's not scripted

but it’s like
1. Throw a bunch of combustible people together
2. Artificially add drama through ways of sex or money
3. ??
4. PROFIT!!

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's edited like all hell

and the casting is done with aims in mind. also, the people are aware that the more outrageous they act, the more screen time they get.

It’s not “reality”, it’s wanna-be actors without even the benefit of a writer behind them.

by Matthew on Apr 25, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I usually find reality tv to just be sad.

I have trouble watching it, because I start to get depressed.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Apr 25, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Competition shows

which actually involve people with some sort of expertise and ability aren’t bad. Top Chef, for instance, is pretty good entertainment, as long as you ignore the pointless mellodrama the producers keep trying to inject into the show. Otherwise, yeah, reality shows are crap.

by Liebkartoffel on Apr 25, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you just type "mellodrama"

Is that a show wherein the drama is heightened through the judicious use of the mellotron?

by marc w on Apr 25, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He meant "mellowdrama"

featuring dudes nodding to Molly Hatchet bootlegs.

by Paytheline on Apr 25, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes I did.

Although I was actually referring to the avant-garde approach to performance first perfected by Giovanni De’ Franceschi in the Sonrionian commune of Mello. Forgive me, I should never have expected a mouth-breathing philistine such as you to grasp such an esoteric reference.

by Liebkartoffel on Apr 25, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

but there really needs to be a show where dramatic moments = mellotron solos.

by marc w on Apr 25, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is why I fail at relationships

My solution: I don’t watch shit-TV with you, you leave me alone during ballgames.

by Matthew on Apr 25, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Matthew you are missing out.

Until I met my wife I was the better cook in almost any relationship. Now I get to sit back and eat well every night.

The user formerly known as Sec 108.

by Sec 108 on Apr 25, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that's why I coached in a conditional frame.

I know there are women who are better cooks than I am. But on the average, yeah, not so much.

I’m the same way with driving.

by Matthew on Apr 25, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you know you'll never be proven wrong on driving.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I do almost all the driving.

The user formerly known as Sec 108.

by Sec 108 on Apr 25, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'm going to be totally racist with this joke but...

Your wife is both asian and a woman. She should be begging you to drive.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the biggest bruises I have ever had

Was when an Asian women cut me off and I said DWA. Kara hauled off and punched my shoulder.

The user formerly known as Sec 108.

by Sec 108 on Apr 25, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Lucky for me, my wife doesn’t like most “girly” shows. Except “Girls Next Door” and “America’s Next Top Model”. But she steers away from stuff like “Lost” and “Grey’s Anatomy”.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Apr 25, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lost has a lot of problems.

I never thought of “girly” as one of them. Huh.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Apr 25, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had no idea Lost had a demographic, other than nerds.

It always struck me as a good show for nerds who would enjoy trying to “figure it out” and impress one another. All those people who liked the last couple seasons of X-Files, basically.

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Apr 25, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a lot worse when it was on Sunday nights.

One TV, no ESPN, and nationwide blackouts for the ESPN telecast meant Grey’s Anatomy was on and I had no baseball to help me escape. My wife once asked me what it would take for me to watch regularly and I said, “Way more code black. Like every episode.” If you get that reference, shame on you.

stat-addled alien overlord

by salb918 on Apr 25, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that reference :(

But only because it’s the only episode of that show I’ve ever seen, since it came on after the Super Bowl.

by patsfan on Apr 25, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lame

2006 Athletics = 2007 Angels = 2008 Orioles

Someone’s always gots to have our number…

by ThundaPC on Apr 25, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For some reason the Orioles irritate me to no end

(even post Jones-trade), so I’ve pretty much completely ignored this series. Sounds like I didn’t miss much, beyond Felix, of course.

by Liebkartoffel on Apr 25, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff, where do I find WE numbers compiled?

Or are you doing these charts yourself, individually?

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Apr 25, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm doing them all myself

but Fangraphs is a decent (albeit less accurate) proxy.

by Jeff on Apr 25, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great. Found exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks

Is it just me, or is this AJ trade looking worse every day?

by The Alaskan on Apr 25, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Vidro's double.

In warm weather it’s probably gone. However, the wind really really knocked it down last night. I thought for sure it was going to be caught at the wall. Luckily Adam Jones took the worst route I’ve seen at Safeco field this year and ran in a crescent moon shape to the way as not only did he get a late jump, he started running the wrong way when he did.

Jones looked pretty bad in CF all series, maybe it was just an anomaly, but I’m starting to believe etowncoug when he says Jones takes bad routes he just has the speed to out run his mistakes. He looked uuuuugly this weekend

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2008 10:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he's doing something wrong, it's not showing up in the numbers

he’s obviously not perfect, but line drives hit straight in your direction are the most difficult plays to make in baseball.

by Jeff on Apr 25, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, he's still relatively new to the position

which excuses a lot of his route running – most of the guys who end up in CF probably played the position all through HS and college (this is pure conjecture, but it makes logical sense to me).

I think it’s incredible that he’s so athletic that he can still have those lapses and be at least an average-above average CF at age 22/23. There’s no reason why he can’t be an elite defender in CF once he learns the nuances of the position.

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah I don't think it's impossible that this is just SSS or that there's room for improvement

But he didn’t look good all weekend. Went a long way to helping me get over losing him.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On video I did not see a bad route at all.

What I saw was a player playing ridiculously up because the batter is godawful and has no power, and then I saw this really really fast guy fail to get back far enough because he was practically standing on 2nd base when he started running.

On TV, it looked like Vidro lucked into this double by being bad enough that no one expected him to hit it that far.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 25, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones didn't take the perfect route, but it wasn't horrible by any means.

The ball hit directly at you is the hardest ball to judge, and I think he did a pretty good job trying to get back on that one.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Apr 25, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh it was terrible.

On TV when they cut he was already running. He kind of stalled for a second, not getting a jump right off the bat, then started running sideways because he thought the ball was in the RCF gap, then looked up again and took a quick turn and was running with the ball directly at his back. It wasn’t Raul bad, but it was pretty much the definition of a banana route. If he takes a somewhat straight route to that at all, it looked like it was going to be caught easily. To me it looked like the opposite field LD Wilkerson hit vs. Texas this year that Hamilton caught on the run, only not hit as well.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like you had a better view than I did then.

It looked fine on TV.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Apr 25, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was pretty bad...

however the wind was blowing out to left last night. I think the ball carried alot farther than he thought.

Jones has been playing an excellent CF in Baltimore. He has made some great grabs. I just think he forgot how big CF is in Seattle, as well as how much the wind will play with the balls.

That last sentence just doesn’t sound right.

by elsid on Apr 25, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crowd warming to him

or is there a big ‘screw this guy, just play Payton’ contingent over there?

by marc w on Apr 25, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it seems everyone...

loves him. Everyone has a debate, nearly weekly, on who is better Markakis or Jones—or who will be better.

Payton just happens to be the odd man out. He has hit okay when he plays plus played good defense when they bring him late in games. However with Scott, Jones and Markakis in the outfield, it isn’t too bad.

by elsid on Apr 25, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's always a good problem to have

Hmm… maybe these Orioles aren’t as screwed as everyone says.

See, I could deal with the M’s jobbing in two series if the O’s were a good, competitive team.

by Gomez on Apr 26, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's tough to tell from tv

I think the 300 level seats behind homeplate are sorely underrated: form there you can see all the shit routes that Raul and Willie run. It’s hilarious to see a pop up hit in front of Willie. For example:

1) He freezes for what seems like an eternity
2) Sprints in on a crescent shaped route
3) Dives unnecessarily
4) Catches the ball (and)
5) Gets a huge standing ovation from the home town fans.

by JI on Apr 25, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night was hell...

The game was in hand so I played a game of Scrabble with my wife. She beat me for the second time, which made me grumpy, the Mariners exploded, which made me mad, and I was extremely low on alcohol so I couldn’t even drown away the pain.

Then I was up until 3 am because my skin kept itching and I couldn’t get comfortable until I took a shower. I still don’t know what that was about, but it’s not much fun when your baby typically wakes up at 5.

This weekend had better go well, because it’s the last one I’ll get to enjoy for a while because grad season is starting.

by Sidi on Apr 25, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why the fuck are girls so good at Scrabble

and Taboo? I mean I hold my own in Taboo, but Scrabble is just like permanent rape. I feel like I should get to play them at Madden or something to make up for it.

by seattlebruin on Apr 25, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just play Sims.

Make a Sim of your girl, then let her catch fire in the kitchen. She’ll bring it up for years afterwards, even though it was just a video game.

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Apr 25, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.

We just got SIms 2 Deluxe, and the first thing she said to me when I installed it was “are you going to burn me to death again?”. I didn’t think she’d remember from way back on the PS2 version, but of course she did!

I like midgets more than I should.

by Thingray on Apr 25, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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