Big Hurt Available

by brayden04 on Apr 20, 2008 9:02 AM PDT

Toronto cut Frank Thomas today. Had he reached 376 PAs he would have triggered a $10 million option for 2009.

He has bad numbers through 60 ABs .167/.306/.333

Hey, he'd be more useful than Miguel Cairo.

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We should pick him up

There’s no reason not to! Toronto will eat his salary; We’ll get a right-handed power bat. If he doesn’t work out, well, we’ve got Richie Sexson.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Apr 20, 2008 9:34 AM PDT 0 recs

eh

If Toronto benched him after only 60 at bats it has to make you wonder if he’s completely washed up.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 9:37 AM PDT 0 recs

Sign him!

He’s started really slowly the last two years, and by using both him and Vidro at DH neither one of their options would vest (assuming we’d be taking the rest of the contract…not sure how that works)

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 20, 2008 9:42 AM PDT 0 recs

It's supid to sign Frank Thomas when you could have Barry Bonds.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

Be realistic, though

This FO won’t sign Bonds.

They will sign Thomas.

by saltydog75 on Apr 20, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

obviously

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by JI on Apr 20, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up 0 recs

That being said

If we could release Vidro and sign Thomas, I wouldn’t have a problem. However, off the top of my head, Lofton > Thomas.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

Not as a hitter.

If the M’s were gonna sign Lofton they would’ve done it already.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 20, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up 0 recs

true

But Thomas can’t run, and Safeco is a bitch to hit in. Lofton would probably stay healthier, save a shit ton of runs on defense (Raul--> DH)- though I ~~am incapable of crunching~~ haven’t crunched the numbers yet. Plus, acquiring Kenny Lofton has shown to be a proven avenue to success, he seems to be on every playoff team.

But shit yeah, I’d take him over Vidro.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

Agreed, but it's all about what this team might actually do.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 20, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up 0 recs

Definitely pick him up.

Pros:

- His batting eye is still there: 11BB to 13K this year
- He’s been unlucky: .159 BABIP
- Still has good power: .167 IsoP this year
- Cheap: would probably come here without much $$ for the opportunity to play full time
- Good hitter over his career in AL West parks (minus Safeco)
- Can still mash LHP (1.000+ OPS vs LHP last year)

Cons:

- Not very good in Safeco over his career
- Getting old, could be headed down a steep decline in performance
- Could block Clement (maybe not a bad thing)

by saltydog75 on Apr 20, 2008 9:49 AM PDT 0 recs

Why would blocking Clement not be a bad thing?

Regardless, I say sign him. Give Kenji till June 1 to hit, and if he’s not getting it done, flip him for a team in need of a catcher and let Clement take over the catching duty.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 20, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

BR1NG US GR1FF3Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

Get 'er done Bavasi

by Fin on Apr 20, 2008 10:23 AM PDT 0 recs

2sluggers2teams1DH

We’ll take Bonds, you take Thomas, deal?

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 11:13 AM PDT 0 recs

hahahahahaha

ewwwww
no

We already staked our claim:

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up 0 recs

He looks better in blue, and our dome perfectly hides him from the spotlight

You have that whole “is it a dome or is it an open air stadium” retractable roof BS going on. We even have a petting zoo.

Therefore us > you in Bonds’ metallic heart.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

Tampa Bay is on the east coast

No one has ever heard of Seattle

The turf will be murder on his knees

He’s already wearing blue, and saving America in the photoshoppe.

Tampa looses, Bonds

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

what the shit happened to the end of that sentence

apparently that heat symbol nukes everything

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by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

*heart

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

LOL

I guess they needed the DH spot for Rod Barajas.

by hcoguy on Apr 20, 2008 11:20 AM PDT 0 recs

Big Hurt would be a bad fit for Safeco

by Gomez on Apr 20, 2008 11:23 AM PDT 0 recs

agreed

which is why I prefer Lofton (pipedream, yeah)

but I’d still take him over Vidro

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

I want Reed in left.

by Graham on Apr 20, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

Who doesn't?

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by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up 0 recs

The front office

by Graham on Apr 20, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up 0 recs

Right.

How could I have overlooked that?

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by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up 0 recs

Dumb as it may seem, I hadn't realized that nobody had signed Lofton yet

I’d take either the Hurt or Lofton. Safeco is bad for Thomas, but I confess to a sentimental attachment to him.

I despise Bonds for the same reason I like Thomas. If the M’s actually signed him (not gonna happen, obviously), I’d just have to hold my nose and hold my tongue.

by esoteric on Apr 20, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up 0 recs

Speaking of quality players sitting by the phone

Why in the hell is Kenny Lofton still unemployed? It’s not like his bat fell off a cliff or anything.

Think Red would forgive him? I’m sure most of us would.

by Gomez on Apr 20, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up 0 recs

I think he wanted a starting job

and wasn’t guaranteed one.

That would be my guess because I read that he turned down offers from the Rays and Reds.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up 0 recs

Dropkick Wilkerson and give him one, I say

by Gomez on Apr 20, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

100% correct

Plus loften has that veteran grit that the club creams themselves over.

by Fin on Apr 20, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

I prefer to dropkick Vidro.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

This is true.

by redwolf75 on Apr 20, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

His fat ass will break your foot

by Gomez on Apr 20, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up 0 recs

No his fat ass will send me rocketing in the other direction.

It’s made of flubber.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

It may look like flubber

but it is in fact hotdog-power-reinforced-fatmuscle.

by Gomez on Apr 20, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up 0 recs

legit LOL

by batura on Apr 20, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think just about every team

has a AAA OF who is capable of what lofton can do if not more.

But yeah no reason not to pick up Frank. He’s not gonna be great but its better than what we’ve got (if we don’t have Bonds). If you look at his home runs from last year I’m pretty sure almost every single one of them would get out of Safeco Field. From Hit tracker, it says the shortest he hit last year was 370 ft.

by Edgar for Pres on Apr 20, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

Well Peter Gammons mentioned us as the #1 name to pick him up...so it won't happen

by SethGrandpa on Apr 20, 2008 10:19 PM PDT 0 recs

Woot

by Fin on Apr 20, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

Bavasi kicking the tires???

Sure sounds like it…

Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Apr 20, 2008 11:10 PM PDT 0 recs

I AM FOR ANYTHING THAT KILL VIDROS VESTING OPTION

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 20, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up 0 recs

Agreed

Steve Phillips also mentioned the Mariners as his first pick for picking up Frank Thomas. I think it might happen. It’s not as good of a solution as Bonds, but it’s atleast good that Bavasi sees an issue in the current offense.

by Fin on Apr 20, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

You know, no matter how much the M's love Vidro

I’m positive they realize that Vidro’s vesting option is stupid, which is probably why they have already been figuring out PC ways to cut down his AB’s. Granted they’ll probably try to resign him anyway when the season is over, just for less than the 9 mil.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 20, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up 0 recs

Honestly

I think Vidro was Hargrove’s guy and now they’re stuck with him.

I could be wrong.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 21, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

Well...

Whether they’re stuck with him and whether they know 9 million is retardiculous for a player of his “caliber,” can be two different things. Like I said, I would not be surprised if they wanted to keep him, resign him, etc. But I would be surprised if they did not realize that nine million is about 6 million more than any other team would pay him at best.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on Apr 21, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up 0 recs