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Jeff said he was taking the night off from this one so I figure I'd throw up a brief recap of the game and he can overwrite my trash with his thoughts + WE chart later on.

Jeff's note: don't know what happened, don't care what happened, on to tomorrow.

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Biggest Contribution: Roy Corcoran, +2.0%
Biggest Suckfest: Jarrod Washburn, -15.1%
Most Important AB: Norton double, +4.2%
Most Important Pitch: Aybar single, -16.1%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -13.1%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -36.9%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
(What is this chart?)

Star-divide

One trend I have been noticing is an increasing nature to polarize stances on certain players and I have to disagree with some of it. Jarrod Washburn isn't horrible. He's not good, but he's not horrible either. I stated before the season that he seemed the most likely candidate to collapse. That doesn't mean he has already done so and in fact, through his first three starts in 2008, his peripheral numbers had picked up and bucked the sliding trend. Yes, he's boring and he's got pretty much no out pitch, but he's now tossed 24 innings and walked just two. If Washburn's 2-2 pitch to Aybar in the fourth gets called a strike (it was borderline), he puts in a very solid result tonight.

Brad Wilkerson is not good. Mike Morse, however, was much more not good than Wilkerson. The Mariners need to get something out of right field and it's not going to come from Mike Morse or Willie Bloomquist and Wladimir Balentien isn't going to get the call this early in the year so the Ms are best off seeing if they can get Wilkerson going. And at least Wilkerson is patient. He draws some walks and he's not going to sport a .179 BABIP all season. He's bound to get at least a little better. We also have no real substitute handy (thanks Bill).

Ichiro's contact rate this year (the percentage of times that he makes contact with the ball when he swings) stood at 93% entering play today. That's higher than it's ever been previous in his MLB career. His line drive rate is down, but they aren't turning into flyballs which is what we tend to see when he's slumping, but rather groundballs, which is fine for Ichiro. It's his typical April start. He's fine.

Also, these are just my stances, take them for what you will. It's plenty fine to disagree on how we all evaluate players, I just suggest we turn the animosity down. Real or not, GTE or not, it's been a seemingly hostile place to start the year.

On to the game itself. This will be brief because there's not actually much to say. Ervin Santana flat out dealt tonight. This was different than Saunders last night whom the Mariners put everything in play against but just couldn't get hits. Santana was sporting renewed velocity and was throwing darts with his fastball and backing it up with a good breaking pitch. He threw over 2/3rds of his pitches for strikes, not a recipe conducive to extolling patience from your hitters and yet the Ms still made him throw 109 pitches over just 27 plate appearences, working out to just under 4.04 pitches/PA. Yeah, they didn't draw a walk for the second consecutive game, but drawing walks requires that the pitches throw stuff outside the zone and Santana wasn't going that route tonight.

It sucks to lose, especially to the Angels, but it happens. At least it wasn't as bad as last night.

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Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 19, 2008 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Deserved or not

I have a feeling that Wilkerson is going to be the first one scapegoated if the offense continues it’s general suckitude.

by BrianL on Apr 19, 2008 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 19, 2008 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

you know what?

YES. Put Lofton in LF and Raul in RF. The M’s aren’t going to DH Raul and while he’d still suck in right, it’s better than sucking in left.

Lofton could probably put up better offensive numbers than Wilk, and be a defensive upgrade. If WLAD is seriously hurt then FREE KENNY LOFTON!

Bradtastic!!

by MFAN on Apr 20, 2008 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuck mike reilly by the way

that pitch was strike three.

By the way, who is gonna catch Washburn after he throws Burkie under the bus?

by PShwa on Apr 19, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Jason Kendall

After we ship him to Milwaukee for two low A prospects.

by Gomez on Apr 19, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have two A prospects?

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 19, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

I’m dumb.

I think I’m so used to the M’s giving away top prospects that my brain just went on autopilot and filled in the blanks.

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 19, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just realized my wording was ambiguous

I was referring to shipping Washburn to Milwaukee for two low minor prospects.

by Gomez on Apr 19, 2008 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

well done

Barry Bonds died for your sins.

by JI on Apr 19, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washburn got a pitch hammered for a home run in his last start.

When the media asked him about that pitch, he seemed to pin the blame on Joh for calling it.

by BrianL on Apr 20, 2008 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just read the thread about him throwing Joh under the bus

What a classless POS. I hope he continues to suck, as long as it does minimal damage to the team as a whole.

by Fin on Apr 20, 2008 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if Washburn really was blaming Joh or not.

Regardless he’s an ML ballplayer. He should know better than to say something like that, especially with this team. If Wash keeps running his mouth like that he could very well find himself on a plane to Philadelphia. Lord knows it doesn’t take much for Armstrong and Lincoln to order the Jeff Nelson special.

by BrianL on Apr 20, 2008 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Times article used in that thread

Was a poor bit of reporting. Here is what Ryan Divish of The News Tribune wrote about the same thing.

"I never like to second guess myself, but I wish I wouldn’t have thrown change-up in that situation," Washburn said. "I didn’t really want to throw it, but I said yes when (catcher Kenji Johjima) called it. And I lost the game for us."

But Washburn made it clear that the pitch or the call wasn’t Johjima’s fault.

"Don’t be saying he called the wrong pitch now," Washburn said at his catcher’s locker.

The user formerly known as Sec 108.

by Sec 108 on Apr 20, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Before I start, Minor League Wrap-Up is up below this entry

I bumped this entry to keep it up top. Now…

I agree, Matthew, that there’s a tendency to polarize stances on players. There are few players who are purely horrible and useless, and few players who are purely awesome all around. Pretty much everybody falls somewhere in the middle, possessing redeeming qualities and value in some respects, while possessing drawbacks and weaknesses in others. Where they fall on the suck-awesome spectrum varies, but to say a player is either one or the other is shallow judgment that frequently is inaccurate.

I think the research the Mariners blogosphere has done a fine job in pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of players in this org, but there’s a tendency by loyal readers to blow those findings out of proportion.

Also, this Ervin Santana has his shit far more together than last year’s Ervin Santana did. He’s making his pitches with authority, whether or not he’s hitting his spots. The Angels really needed that given where their rotation is at, and the Mariners once again face an uphill battle if they have Ervin Santana dealing every five days.

And where the fuck did the patience go? Did the M’s have dinner plans or some shit?

by Gomez on Apr 19, 2008 10:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Stress that it's early

So far, one guy told me it “looked bad”, was carried off the field by two teammates without putting any stress on his left leg. No MRI or anything yet, obviously.

by davidcameron on Apr 19, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I sure hope he just tweaked it a good one.

A ligament tear and our mid-season panic option goes right out the window.

by BrianL on Apr 19, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll await word and hope he's alright

or that the injury in question won’t require a long, painfully rehabilitated recovery.

by Gomez on Apr 19, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doyle was slight, injured frequently, bulked up, and I think his added bulk played some role in his recurring injuries

This may just be a freak injury to an inherent strong, well built player. It happens, and maybe players overcome such early injuries and have long careers.

All that assumes this injury is severe, though.

by Gomez on Apr 19, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this really a new trend?

One trend I have been noticing is an increasing nature to polarize stances on certain players and I have to disagree with some of it.

Traditional sports journalism has always seemed to be a three-step process to me:

1) Form an opinion about a player (preferably an extreme opinion)

2) Ignore everything that contradicts that opinion

3) Focus on everything that supports that opinion

Writers like heroes and goats. Extreme opinions get everyone’s blood pressure up and help sell papers. Trying to hold a more nuanced stance (like, for instance, Raul Ibanez is a good guy who could help the Mariners at DH, but is hurting them with his defense in LF or Washburn has no out pitch but manages to not be totally awful) takes more time and effort, so it doesn’t seem to happen a whole lot.

by ubelmann on Apr 19, 2008 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish the M's were good.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Apr 20, 2008 4:25 AM PDT reply actions  

660 comments in the game thread.

Stops the streak of 1000+ comments at 18 games.

Felix Hernandez may be The King, but Justin Upton is a GOD.

GTE of the week:

"SEXSON WANTS TO TASTE THE MOTHERFUCKING CURB"

~Jordan of Boise

by Goose on Apr 20, 2008 4:35 AM PDT reply actions  

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