Bedard's degenerative hip condition
by Brian Floyd on Apr 16, 2008 11:50 PM PDT
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PrintThanks to THT. Kind of ironic that AJ's worry was a degenerative hip. Did we forget to do a physical on Bedard? Can we have AJ and GS52 back yet?
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Yeah, no.
It’s a tear. And even if we didn’t know that already, arthritis would have been found in a nuclear scan during his physical.
According to my boss, it was a conspiracy by Angelos
Apparently, he must’ve knew about the whole thing, but accused Adam Jones of having it so that would distract the marienrs, and not being able to properly inspect Bedard since they were so eager to get the deal done as quickly as possible and they were trying hard to convince Angelos there was nothing wrong with Jones.
Don’t know if my boss is right, but god damn he’s smart, so I would have to believe him on this one.
OK, to be fair, that did sound a little crazy
but he is usually spot on about most of his other ideas.
I don't know if I'm super sensitive about seeing the video
but that is painful to watch.
In the words of Dave Chappelle, as Rick James: “Fuck Yo’ Hip!”
I fucking hate you Mariners
Wow
I’m surprised and disappointed that THT would even publish such an article. An article where the expert could not even spell tendInitis NOT tendOnitis correctly. TendinItis means inflammation of the tendon, Just as bursitis means inflammation of the bursa. TendOnitis has no meaning.
First, he’s trying to draw conclusions about degenerative injury with ONE web video. Then, he starts jumping to conclusions based not on actually talking to the guy, or the guys doctors / trainers, or at least a source in the org, but apparently on reports in newspapers / websites, which are often imprecise at best about injuries.
“With only the extremely vague description of “hip inflammation”, you can see how I would have some trouble writing up a comprehensive article regarding his condition.”
Err, so how about not writing an article then?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I've given up on complaining about this
I really don’t understand how people can be amateur biomechanicists.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions
You can spell it either way...
Resident biology major to the rescue.
I'm being anal here
but tendOnitis, strictly speaking, has no meaning. Everyone understands that it means tendinItis, because it is constantly misused.
it is like saying “it’s” and “its” is the same, since everyone understands what you mean, Or “you’re” and “your”.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Dictionary.com thinks "coronate" is a word. It is pointless.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
so do you use crown as the verb or what?
Anyways, my merriam-webster medical dict lists both tendonitis and tendinitis
Yeah, crown.
“Coronate” is the worst kind of back-formation. I was mainly criticizing dictionary.com’s veracity, though.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow. I don't even agree with the article, but this is vastly overstated
A) He doesn’t attempt to draw any conclusions. He says multiple times that’s he’s just giving his opinion. When you use phrases like “to my knowledge” and “my initial impression”, you are not stating conclusions. He says many times that these are possible issues, or could be an issue
B) You don’t know how many videos he watched. He embedded one, he could have watched many more.
C) Talking to Bedard’s trainers/doctors/team would be pointless. HIPAA.
I didn’t agree with the arthritis angle, but I find nothing wrong with the article’s tone.
HIPAA
Not if you’re with the Cubs or Astros apparently.
Go Fo Broke!
Does anyone smart here know how the HIPAA laws work with player injuries?
I’d think the players would have to sign off on a release form allowing their injuries to be made public.
But that would be dangerous for the team.
It would be illegal to pressure your players into signing such a waiver, so teams would probably avoid doing that for fear or beng accusing of having pressured players.
I don't believe HIPAA allows waivers
I think it’s pretty ironclad. I work at a health-insurance provider and I’m digging through the regs trying to find something, but I’m pretty sure that PHA is locked down pretty tight.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I'm mostly curious because I'd be really pissed at my job
if my employer released my injury history to the general public. I know it is way different with professional athletes considering their health is vital to their employment and I’m sure in the general player’s contract there are provisions that allow a team to see their medical history. But, it seems like privacy rights are violated by releasing any info to the public without the player’s permission.
He says,
“What I saw when I first viewed the video on YouTube was so glaringly evident that I can’t believe nobody else saw it first (especially Baltimore and Seattle fans – shame on you)!
“
“Now take a look at this video clip (thank you YouTube and user jamessutherland23):”
That sounds to me like all he did was watch the YouTube video.
Yes, he does not draw a conclusion. He spends much of the article speculating, and then not denying his speculation. That’s like saying “I do not believe XXX is using performance enhancing substances, but if he were it could explain blah blah blah”.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
To be fair, Bedard's motion does put all his weight on his left hip.
Whether or not that means anything is the issue, but he’s got a point.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Apr 17, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, what's your deal with that?
It’s a fantasy blog. People wanted an opinion on what Bedard’s injury might be. He gave it. He coaches it many many times in conditionals.
yeah, misspelling = poor analysis
the guy who wrote this article has a pretty good blog on baseball injuries (i won’t advertise it here though). he actually called bedard going on the DL when the M’s were still being super-optimistic about him. he has no reason to be anything but objective, while the M’s have every reason to downplay the severity of the injury.
He's also doing biomechanical analysis far superior to what cutting edge research institutions are able to provide
Explain how this is possible.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
because it's on the internets!
Anything found on a 5-minute trip through the internets is better than anything gained through years of exhaustive study, practical experience, and thousands of case studies, right?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I'm basically wondering
how the baseball biomechanics community appears to be several decades ahead of the academic biomechanics crew. It does indeed seem quite curious.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Lack of intellectual rigor
and I don’t mean that in a ‘baseball analysts are dumb’ way. I mean that academic biomechanicists and practicing biomechanicists don’t just throw their theories out for public consumption on a daily/weekly basis – they test their theories, they publish them in peer-reviewed journals, and all these things take a long time to work their way through the system. Baseball biomechanicists are basically like newspaper feature reporters – they draw on published research and project conclusions based on what they’ve found. Or at least that’s how it seems to me.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
We don't even have the -tools- to do this sort of work though
I’ve spent my entire masters on basically the simplest joint in the body, and I now have a decent idea of its material properties and roughly where it’ll fail under compression.
But for a complex joint like a hip or a shoulder? Nobody’s even touching that yet, not with the sort of analysis that can predict failure loading. They’re infinitely more complicated than something simple like a spinal disc.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
cont...
I just get the feeling that people (including medical professionals) see something and say ‘that looks bad’, then come up with a reason (i.e. ‘it must make ligament x take more stress’) and make random predictions based on that. The fact of the matter is that the science simply has not advanced to the point we can make accurate predictions.
I’m appreciative of diagnostic effort (because that’s what doctors do), but good god biomechanical predictions piss me off (because I know I can’t do it yet, and unless everyone is lying to me neither can any of the other biostructural engineers).
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeaaaahhh, about that....
I’m sorry, it’s a bit juvenile, but we all just thought it’d be HILARIOUS. It was Frank Yin’s idea initially; we all just sort of went along with it. Once you’re in the middle of a con this big, you can’t just back out easily.
We’ve all been thinking of a big ‘suprise!’ moment, but no one’s thought of one, so… surprise! Pretty much everyone can do spot-on diagnostic and predictive work.
You’ve been Planck’d!
Hey, it’s better than the last big science in-joke, when that fuckwit Johnson invented Anal Cancer, and then he lost it after getting drunk at a party. Now people actually GET that. I’m still pissed about that one.
God DAMMIT
Well, on the plus side I assume that there’s no longer any pressure to get that paper of mine out for July. So that’s good.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
No no, you still have to do that.
25% of science is just going through the motions and following protocol. Another 30% is keeping the journals happy/feeding the machine.
Besides, no one knows I’ve told you yet. So just write like you were going to; lots of people will get a big kick out of it, but if you let on that you’re in on the joke….let’s just say that it might hurt your chances for post docs or jobs. Again, juvenile, not even all that funny, etc. Agreed. But just let it play out. Remember that another 15% of science is playing dumb pranks (the Feynman 15, they call it), so…yeah.
My brother is currently working for
The Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology. Why they named an anthropological institute after a famous physicist, or why they needed to hire a linguist, I don’t know, probably just part of the joke.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Germans. Love. Planck.
I’m surprised there isn’t a football club named for him, or a V6 sedan, or a beer.
No offense but...
Isn’t this whole site dedicated to the idea that a group of bloggers on the internet are better judges of how to make a good baseball team then the multimillion dollar corporations that are dedicated to making said baseball teams win? That the people on this blog are better judges of what managerial moves to make than the actual manager of the team, who has been around the game for years? Last year I recall one of the guys on USSM even gave Felix pitching advise.
Isn’t it then a bit hypocritical to declare that this guy can’t possibly know what he’s talking about? I mean, what he’s saying is not exactly biomechanical engineering- this is not a precise account of exactly what forces are at work and how loadbearing forces are impacting the joint. This is an observation based on apparently sound medical experience on what happens after this motion is repeated thousands of times.
Now that doesn’t mean the guy is necessarily right. The same medical experience tells people that K-Rod’s delivery should have caused to his arm to spontaneously disassemble by now, and that hasn’t happened (though his ankles appear to have taken a beating.) But I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss the guy out of hand just because he has bad news, which appears to be what’s going on.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Understanding how to build a baseball team
is vastly different than understanding biomechanics, though. It’s a lot easier. Anybody can tell you how to build a baseball team – there’s really no wrong answer or unproven science there.
If a biomechanicist says, as Graham did above, that someone who is using biomechanic predictions can’t know what he’s talking about, I tend to give that some weight – I know nothing about biomechanics, and Graham is about to complete a degree in it, so I give him the benefit of the doubt.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
NB: That's using structural biomechanics to predict ligament/tissue failure that you shouldn't trust
I don’t actually know anything about the other branches of biomechanics since I’m a converted structural engineer/
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I stand corrected.
I don’t know nothin’ about nothin’ if the subject ain’t beer, so there’s that to consider.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
But again
What that guy did ISN’T biomechanical analysis. It’s not a precise prediction based on knowledge of the forces at work- rather, it’s orthopedic analysis based on previous experience. In other words, based on that joint motion and failed treatments thus far, an orthopedist can draw conclusions on what the problem may be, because there’s a whole body of orthopedic experience, especially in baseball, to draw from.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Yeah, you're right.
A group of bloggers who think they know how to play a game better than some other people is totally analogous to somebody thinking he’s knows more about the body than medical and academic professionals.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus, I don't think this site is "dedicated" to thinking we can build or run a team better than the professionals.
In fact, I think if you hang around here enough, you’ll see that as much as we like to run our mouths off about how “a retarded monkey could do better”, we are also quick to admit that the people in charge are professionals for a reason.
I'm pretty sure I'm not retarded.
Fair enough-
But you’ll note I never actually said you guys were wrong- I personally feel pretty confident there are guys on this site that would be better game-time managers than Squinty.
~Till the Halo burns out...
He's not really the benchmark for adequately managing teams though...
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but my example was THIS site.
And he’s the only manager you regularly complain about. Using “league-average” would be an unfair strawman. ;-)
~Till the Halo burns out...
The more we complain about a manager, the worse his replacement seems to be
Coach Owens will be running this team a year from now.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it would be funny
“Ichiro, this bat is 98lb too light! Stop being so lazy!”
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
What? Major league players drink?
Get this champagne out of the clubhouse guys, you’ll kill yourselves.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Apr 17, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That's highly possible, but I sure wouldn't want to be the first to try it.
I don’t even care that much for coaching my softball team. In fact, I’m stepping down after summer ball, just because I’m sick of all the second guessing and other bullshit.
I'm pretty sure I'm not retarded.
Academic professionals?
Like I get paid :-/
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I actually meant people who have, you know,
earned their degrees.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I've qualified for at least 1 bachelors and 1 masters already
They just haven’t gotten around to giving me them.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
None taken but...
Nobody here in their right mind thinks they could actually run or manage a baseball team. I am half a decade and a Harvard MBA from even thinking of applying for a front office position.
That said, the qualifications for running or managing a baseball team are: Know an executive/be a former player then hang around for a while. The qualifications for being a biostructural engineer at my level lean significantly more heavily towards actual intellectual merit and the ability to be a good scientist.
“This is an observation based on apparently sound medical experience on what happens after this motion is repeated thousands of times.”
In vitro, from cadavers. Which is not the same as a live pitcher, in a game, with regenerating tissue and different boundary conditions.
“But I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss the guy out of hand just because he has bad news, which appears to be what’s going on.”
My reaction to biomechanics people doesn’t really have anything to do with Erik Bedard.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I hear Canada is almost as good at the US
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? Canada's bigger!
Bigger = better. right?
Wtf I meant to type that the other way round.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So the talking in third person thing, is that just compensation?
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And I have to say, I respect your fortitude.
You’re like some magnificent, eminently predictable robot.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
when he says that while drunk
you’ll know your work here is finished.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
No
I’ll know my work here is finished when you guys donate enough for me to retire.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
We probably did
But I should note that you did not specify a level at which you’d like to retire. Boxes in dry creekbeds are cheap.
By the way, what’s the approximate total so far.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Or even, so far?
I’m bad at punctuation.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Most excellent.
Just don’t shotgun ‘em. that would be…ugly. Yet entertaining for the rest of us.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I infer that you would be entertained by my death
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on whether you were blogging at the time I suspect
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Something like that
but with more blurgghhh
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I'd be dead before the blurgghhh
although I’ve been blogging so long that I wouldn’t be surprised if I typed and posted my death rattle.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I just realized that might be too obscure
for anyone to get.
M.P. & the Holy Grail?
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, like Graham mentioned
not obscure, but I was briefly worried that I didn’t make the reference obvious enough.
Not your death
just your incoherent postings. But we could do another fund raiser to cover the emergency room bills.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
The most amusing part
is that Paypal takes a portion of everything donated, so every individual penny you give pretty much goes straight to them.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you should be Coach's role model.
The bait avoidance and switch to good beer are qualities he needs.
Nah
Coach baiting leads to new (frequently hilarious) territory each time, while Corco-baiting leads to the same old boring stuff.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Canada's alright and all, but seriously, I'm not taking them seriously as a country until they get
their own damn culture. Universal Healthcare’s a plus, though.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't take countries seriously until they beat the French in a fleet action
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
When's the last time the French navy was relevant?
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
October 21st, 1805
That was an excellent day.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If you say so.
Jeesh, way to die in your moment of victory, Nelson.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It was for the best
Lord Nelson was not a great guy to have around politically. My heart lies with Saumarez and Cornwallis.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
they're better at ice and plaid shirts
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
He goes to Penn?
Pfft…Might as well be going to, aha, Cornell.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, go fuck a liberty bell, why don't ya.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised you're getting involved, what with your vast territorial empire
to tend to and all…oh wait, you don’t have one anymore.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
With the nancies that make up your military?
Unlikely.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you'll always have...
Crew? Tea?
I don’t know, help me out.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
An inflated sense of superiority...
Just like Americans, except without the tanks.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
You say that like the tanks aren't important.
Just because yours got taken away….
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm an American, and I'm pro-tank.
Who doesn’t love big explody things?
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I figured you must be German given your screen name.
Although I must admit I have no idea what your screen name might mean.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
"Love Potato"
Old high school nickname.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
How could I have missed that?
Obviously.
So you’re from…?
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there some sort of Iowa-Alaska rivalry I'm unaware of?
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Just a PSA:
I am not, nor have I ever been, an Iowan. By accident of circumstance, happen to go to school here. This isn’t to say Iowans aren’t a fine people, they’re just a little too Iowan, if you know what I mean.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
True that.
I wholly support liquor sections in grocery stores, though.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Once you guys learn to use
some fucking ice and/or refrigeration when it comes to alcoholic beverages, we can talk.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This subthread is in jeopardy
The Alaskan, you’re in violation of the TOS.
Graham, you’re not.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry.
I thought I was being right, not mean. I figured being ‘mean’ to Graham wouldn’t count anyway, since it seems to be a standard form of communicating with him, and I can’t imagine he takes offense. (If you do, Graham, I’m sorry. It’s really all in jest.)
I’ll do better.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really care
I just wanted a chance to re-state LL’s awesome double standards.
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I will take abuse quite happily under two conditions
1) It has to be funny
2) If it’s personal abuse (aimed at me) I have to know who the hell you are.
Stick to those and all will be merry. Otherwise I will start actually being mean at you.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
How intimate does your knowledge need to be?
You seem nice and all, but I’m not into the freaky stuff.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea
I’ll take shit from the LL regulars, but the definition is somewhat nebulous.
If I call you a retard you’re probably not there yet though.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you let me know when I can really get ugly.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
This subthread
has been really, really entertaining.
Technically, is it even possible for Graham to violate the TOS?
I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to be nice
Otherwise the tRA diaries would get deleted
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured that was you being nice in a back-handed mean way
like “Look how much smarter I am than all of you” sort of thing?
Insecurity is for people who aren't awesome
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And you'd have to punch yourself in the face
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's better than Pittsburgh
at least.
//sigh
I liked Pittsburgh when I was there
Not sure I could live there, but I had a blast the few days I was there.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
You received zero job offers,
but with angry-looking eyebrows?
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
# Mariner blogs with admin power
You: 1
Me: >1
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It should be pointed out that while Star Destroyers
were pretty fucking awesome, they were crewed by some the nanciest nancies ever seen this side of the galaxy.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because we have tea breaks every 10 minutes does not make us nancies >:(
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
There are plenty of other reasons. Shall we list them?
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
1) Americans confuse 'Civility' and 'Culture' with 'Nanciness'
2) Correct spelling is a sign of weakness
3) You’re jealous of our accents
4) Americans call everyone nancies to cover up their insecurity over being helped by the French in the 1770s
5) Punctuality in wars is distinctly un-manly.
Am I on the right track?
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be if I didn't live in America
Where I can use the accent to my full advantage wrt your women.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It ain't hard to fake the accent,
of fool Americans, for that matter. I once convinced somebody that I was the “Earl of Upper Wristwitch.” Fun times.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, so here's a top for parties
1) Get two people who can fake/possess English accents.
2) Stand near the keg.
3) Have a very heated, very nonsensical argument about football (the European version). Don’t skimp on the volume.
4) Wenches!
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I faked an Australian accent at a party one night.
Best decision I ever made.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
1. English ‘civility’ is notoriously selective by class.
2. Your spelling is inefficient and illogical.
3. ‘Ello, Guvnah! does not wow me.
4. That was over 200 years ago. Just like the brits to be caught up in their glory years. Move on.
5. Neville went to Munich in 1938, I’m sure you’re well aware. Britain didn’t declare war until France said they would, too.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
1) So?
2) You speak ‘English’
3) I’m not a fucking chav
4) You still relied on the French. To win a war.
5) Chamberlain was a nancy.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Civility should include those less fortunate than you. Do I really have to explain this?
2. At this point, I would say I speak an improved English, called ‘American’.
3. What’s a chav?
4. Yes. And you relied on yourselves to lose it. Well played.
5. Yes, he was. He wasn’t the only one.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
1) Yes?
2) A language which doesn’t stir up connotations of rampant buffoonery is more of an asset in the international community.
3) Pikey scum. I’d suggest avoiding them if you don’t like being stabbed/robbed/possibly eaten.
4) Yes, relying on the army for anything is a bad idea. Our bad. The terrorists won.
5) So a nancy politician makes soldiers and sailors wusses? I guess all the Yankee soldiers in WWII were wheelchair-bound cripples then.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, as far as wheelchair-bound cripples go,
FDR was pretty fucking badass.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean the guy successfully hid his
extremely degenerative polio from the voting public, got himself re-elected roughly 97 times in landslides and kicked the shit out of the Great Depression (by, ahem, going to war, but never mind). Oh yeah, he also died in the arms of his mistress.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Well, I won’t. If you haven’t figured this out on your own, I cannot imagine anything I might say that would convince you.
2. Fine. Taking the o, g and h out of ‘through’ is obviously ridiculous.
3. I appreciate the warning. Any obvious markings?
4. Damn those terrorists, eh?
5. You brought up the war thing, not me. You said we were late, I pointed out you were in no rush to get involved. I wasn’t suggesting the qualities of the leader reflect the qualities of the nation. If that were the case, I would have to kill myself.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
1) There is no need to be nice to people unless they're useful
2) Done.
3) They look like this. Watch out for burberry too.
4) Indeed.
5) But we weren’t late.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
1) Classism doesn't map to utility
2) done, cool.
3) Yeah, seriously, they suck.
4) I can’t believe the use of Hessian mercenaries hasn’t come up yet. If we were terrorists (and I cannot accept that label for obvious reasons), then the British were tyrannical and acting in opposition to stated values. We could go off on a just-war theory tangent, but I think the ‘colonists’ would come out looking much, much rosier through that lens.
5) Shit, man. We’re ‘late’ to a war in Europe and everyone’s pissed off somehow. Then, we start a war or two in the middle east and everyone’s all “you’re just belligerent, you always think war is the answer, blah blah blah free tibet but don’t use guns.” Let’s discuss what counts as punctual and what doesn’t.
1) I am not classist, I'm elitist
4) That’s a fair point. I’m not a real huge fan of the revolutionary war at all, for obvious reasons
5) I have interesting things to say about this one but the whole modern politics thing is off-limits.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a little hard to be an elitist
(in the traditional sense) in a class-based society. Yeah, the cream should rise to the top, but when you have a system that rewards net, rather than personal worth, it becomes nearly impossible to judge just who is naturally talented and who was handed their opportunities on a silver platter.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
bingo
You know it’s a class-based society when even the rock stars and people who play the poor on TV are nearly uniformly recruited from Oxbridge and boarding schools.
When even Shane MacGowan is an upper-class toff, something’s gone horribly wrong. I think it’s part of the reason your chavs are so belligerent.
The Queen is clearly worthy of your respect.
Look how much stuff she has!
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
To be honest, I've never understood the current American
hatred of the French, considering how they were our navy back in ‘81—the statue of liberty’s pretty bitchin, too. If they weren’t such insufferable pricks these days, I could go for some renewed Franco-American relations.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Snootiness and dirigisme
and pray for septic embolism(s)?
Let me be clear
I don’t actually hate the French. Lafayette’s fine, and didn’t the Pixies have a song about Eiffel, wine, and passionately arguing that films based on not much more than showing a totally hot woman in every frame is actually high art… yeah, you gotta take the bad with the good.
Apparently unintentional Corco bait works.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Apr 17, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair ineffecient and illogical
spelling is par for the course in the language, American spelling conventions happen to be less so.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't by happenstance.
Aggressive editorial laziness has a lot to do with it. Because of that, spelling tends toward consistency as people don’t bother to look words up and spell by sound using general rules of the language.
~Till the Halo burns out...
Zu Long's kicking the discourse up a notch.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, all the structural biomechanics has been lowering the tone
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It's just sad that all the kids talk about these days
is “sex” this and “biomechanics” that. Sickening, really.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently compliments aren't british.
Zu Long made a good point, eloquently. You… you rambled about some esoteric interest of yours that I kind of skipped over. I’m sure it was top-notch, though. The dogs’s bollocks.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
somebody's being Mr. Crankypants today.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
What?
The dog’s bollocks is a compliment over there, apparently. I just thought it odd that Fancy Pants decided to argue with me even when I say something nice.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently being a flaming vagina is Alaskan
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
They don't call it the "Alaskan Disease" for nothing.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought they called those the Northern Lights.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
You amuse me.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The mildly retarded find a lot of things amusing
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you get rugged
by some chavs last night?
You’re in quite a mood. All this hostility. Why don’t you give yourself a good jerk and come back.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
And deprive you of amusement?
I feel it’s my civic duty to keep you entertained lest you get distracted and fall out of a window or something.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry.
That’s what the helmet’s for.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends how high up you are
And besides, I don’t give a damn about you, I just feel bad for the people who have to scoop up the mess into body bags.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Ouch.
Do you go down on your professors with that mouth?
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Talking about body bags is equivalent to being potty mouthed?
That’s a weird little complex you’ve got going on there.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Not since we declared it a dead meme.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Yup.
It’s called the “I can’t ignore your duche-baggery” complex.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Also known
As the ‘I feel the strange urge to attempt to insult my betters but cannot spell “douchebag” and thus generally fail’ complex.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Reverse those quotation
marks, you limey bastard.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
And how does it feel to know
that your comedy stylings only amuse the mildly retarded?
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you hate us because we both
got helped by the French and saved them in WWII?
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Apr 17, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I like you guys
You invented baseball.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for the gin
I guess technically not a British invention, but a massive, glowing orb of innovation. Dutch genever sucks.
Oh, and on behalf of a region that Boeing helped shape, well done on that jet engine thing.
but mostly the gin.
I have to say it
I hate Whittle.
Why? The Whittle lab is two goddamn miles west of Cambridge proper and for two years I had supervisions there multiple times a week. And I hate bicycles, so I walked.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm fine with standard distance
It’s just energy that confuses me.
What the hell kind of measurement system assigns torque and energy the same unit?
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
these are the kinds of questions that keep me up at night
wait, no they’re not.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I lose sleep over lots of things
One day (back when I was in HS and was thus stupid) I couldn’t sleep because I couldn’t remember what the unit of frequency was.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea what that even means
because my unit of frequency in HS was gin. Frequent units of gin.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
If only somebody had thought to write
that down somewhere, like in a book, or some sort of gigantic-scale, electronic network.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently Matthew likes people more if they sleep with me
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a sucker for an accent
but I have my limits.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
share the wealth I say
I’m not the jealous type, I encourage openness.
they have this thing, called the internet
where you could have looked it up. Also, it’s in books.
I'm sorry
it just sort of mystifies me when people talk about their high school years and mention the internet.
OK, technically I had a computer and some version of the internet when I was in high school, but let’s just say things like ‘FTP’ and ‘GOPHER’ were more likely to pop up then.
Things like LL? Less so.
Good ol’ Lynx. Pine. UUunencode. Good times.
Didn't have the internet in high school
all we had was a “computer lab” which was three Apple IIe’s and some IBM thing or other that people played Oregon Trail on and wrote three-line BASIC programs. Good times.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
that was me in grammar school
Oregon Trail on the IIc. Awesome.
I just played a lot of brickle.
God, I love brickle.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
“hacking” oregon trail… good times. Which is why this Achewood thread was such a classic.
I remember a baseball game of some sort on the IIc; I remember it for one thing: it thought Danny Ainge was really, really good.
I'm just glad I have a concrete memory
of 5.5” floppies of which to bemuse my future children with.
I really wouldn't expose kids to your 5.5" floppy
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh, I think you mean
5.25.” The little ones were 3.5”
I shall bemuse my kids with tales of my first computer, which ran CPM. Hah! Pre DOS (kind of).
I had a 1-on1 basketball
with Dr. J and Larry Bird. Good stuff.
Formerly Alaskan, until Alaska showed up at the SB Nation switch. Thanks for nothing, Alaska!
by The Alaskan on Apr 17, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My high school years = now
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Apr 17, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
SI? Hertz 1/s. I don't even know what the Imperial measure would be
because it’s beyond irrelevant.
SI is the way to go
by seattlebruin on Apr 17, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant pure dimensionality
As in 1/t, or ‘perseconds’ as what… 16 year old me decided eventually at 3 AM.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Gin=disgusting crap.
Thanks for nothing, assholes.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You have been struck from the cool people list until an explanation has been given
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate Gin.
You don’t see people wandering around eating juniper berries, why the fuck should I want to drink some? Now scotch—scotch is the milk of the gods.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong yet again
Scotch is the drink of midlife-crisising, bald, cigar smoking guys who drink it because think they’re sophisticated but couldn’t tell you the definition of ‘single malt’, much less where the Isle of Jura actually is.
Gin = gift from the gods.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
because *they* think they're sophisticated
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
ALSO wrong
I can’t help it if a bald man orders a well scotch to impress a totally uninterested waitress, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with how good scotch can be.
Lots of idiots buy well gin, and that shit is probably toxic. They may do so for reasons that are pretty much retarded. But none of this has anything to do with how good GOOD gin actually is.
Honestly, the first and only time I've had
gin was when I attempted to make a G&T (which was about 2/3 G to 1/3 T) and then vomited all over the quad. I’m a little biased.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Pint glass
Ice
4 shots of gin
Dash of tonic
Lime
Imbibe
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Repeat.
Imbibe.
Repeat.
Nothing better on a summer afternoon than a G&T. Or three.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
The 4 shot one is my
‘shit I am too sober to dance’ drink.
Works like a charm
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, that recipe?
10 oz. Coke
10 oz. Jack
If you have access to ice, skip the coke.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
A little easier to toss
back rum than whisky.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds nice, but
the challenge was to create a drink that will get you as shitfaced as possible, in the shortest amount of time possible, while still remaining edible.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
eerilly similar to my experience
though I’d had gin before and have no problems with it, the first G&T I made was the most foul thing ever conceived and I swore I would never drink another until I had John make me one a few weeks ago.
If it makes any difference,
I like just about anything in the whisky family, preferably bourbon or scotch, though.
by Liebkartoffel on Apr 17, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Most people who drink scotch are annoying.
But I like Scotch, and although I am annoying, not in the way you describe.
Support local music.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 17, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Gin is delicious,
but you really have to be up and ready for a gin martini. Ketel One martinis go down smooth every time.
The motion has been seconded
all those in favor, please signify by saying AYE.
I love scotch too, but you can’t hate gin and be on the cool people list. You just can’t.
Juniper berries are poisonous
Of course you wouldn’t walk around eating them.
But gin is tasty. My pregnant girlfriend keeps getting gin cravings, so I have to mix myself a G&T and let her taste it.
I see. ^_^
My only other comment then would be pure speculation- could the reason baseball biomechanics/orthopedists seem to be ahead of the rest of you be that their experience isn’t just cadavers? There’s gotta be a giant body of case studies on what motions produced what baseball injuries, especially in the case of starting pitching. And these ARE multimillion dollar corporations with vested interests in keeping their star products on the field. Since their observations would be based on what they found after they started surgery on live subjects who make their living doing repetitive motions at maximum force, you’d have to think that they would get at least a passing knowledge of what makes injuries likely.
(Again, pure speculation)
~Till the Halo burns out...
Nah, it's not that
Everyone’s material data comes from cadavers (because in order to get material data out you need to yank the tissue in question out and poke it until it breaks, and you don’t really want to do that to people who are alive or they whine a lot), and correlating injuries with specific motions is a mistake because of the variability in material strength in joint to joint, person to person. There aren’t enough pitchers with exactly the same motion to test any of these hypotheses meaningfully, and since any variation in the motion will change the stresses throughout the joint (and the variation in material strength will mess it up too) you can’t really infer anything from people getting injured.
So the passing knowledge that teams think they have is based on limited data and falls into the correlation—->causation trap. The knowledge internet analysts have is a filtered down version of it, and while it’s really interesting there’s just no reason at all to trust it. It’s all anecdotal and based on tiny sample sizes.
Incidentally, I got into this sort of engineering just because I wanted to do a PhD on predicting elbow and shoulder damage done to pitchers due to pitching motions. And then I found out that that’s actually impossible, at least for now. Which sort of ruined my plans for life.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah.
That is a pickle. I can only suggest that when you revive the British empire through stormtroopers, you may want to consider employing a battery of amoral scientists to do soft tissue stress study on live subjects (the Japanese and Germans did wonders for several scientific areas during WWII that way).
~Till the Halo burns out...
"Nobody here in their right mind thinks they could actually run or manage a baseball team"
I do but it will be after years of schooling.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
by Mariner John on Apr 17, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I expect an expert not to misuse that term
It is not a mispelling. It is understanding what the word “tendinitis” means.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
He said..
Bedard said he’d like to start then. Nothing concrete though
Go away Sexson
by Brian Floyd on Apr 17, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Whats a good gin to buy?
I ‘ve never had gin before
by Susheel Ramasahayam on Apr 17, 2008 5:19 PM PDT reply actions
Gin has a very distinct taste
that can turn a lot of people off at first. Start off with Bombay Sapphire and tonic with a slice of lime. Bombay makes good martinis as well, though I prefer classic dry gins for martinis: Seagram’s Extra Dry and Gordon’s both work well.
Bombay Sapphire's a very good place to start
and then when you get acclimatized to the wonderful world of gin, buy yourself a bottle of Hendrick’s and don’t mix it with anything, at first – just sip it and be amazed. It’s unreal.
No matter what you do, though, do NOT buy anything cheaper/lower down on the shelf than Bombay Sapphire.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Another 'starter' gin to buy might be Rogue Distilleries
gin.
Some gins can taste very strongly of juniper, almost a piny taste – if you like that, then try Junipero. If you DON’T, then Sapphire, Plymouth, Tanqueray 10.
Perhaps my all time fave, and something that can be tough to find, is called Old Raj.
I've never had Rogue gin
but I’ve heard good things. Have to check that out.
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You may like, you may hate it
if you like dry gin, you might find it too….not dry. It’s almost sweet; there’s a mandarin or tangerine taste in there that’s a bit more pronounced than may have been intended.
Still, it’s a great change of pace.
Yeah, I'm all about bargains
but Bombay Sapphire is definitely the cheapest gin you want to drink
Idaho Silver Gin = might as well not be gin so why buy it?
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Anyone tried the new Washington-distilled gin
it’s called Dry Fly, and it’s made over in Spokane.
It’s all right – I may grow to really enjoy it as a home-grown alternative to Junipero (which I can never find). But I’m not quite sure yet that I like it enough to justify the cost. Of course, I used to think the same about both Junipero and Hendricks. Now, I like them both a ton.
Disagree.
Gordon’s and Seagram’s are both ~$20 a bottle and they both make fabulous martinis. I know that puts me in the minority, but there’s something classic and uninflected about those two that I totally dig. I do know that probably puts me in the minority.
I don't know about anyone else, but I thought it was pretty obvious
that the study of pitching motions was hideously flawed when Mark Prior, a guy who was highly praised for his near-ideal pitching mechanics, became a chronically injured failure. I may be mistaken, but I remember reading stuff about how Prior’s motion was ideally suited to avoid injury and increase longevity of his elbow and shoulder. Now, of course, there are new articles that argue the old articles were wrong, but I’ve seen nothing that makes me think the methodology or the accuracy of these articles has improved any.
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